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Episode 389 - 8th Anniversary Edition
In this episode we discuss:
(00:00) Meerkats
(00:44) Introduction
(08:05) Russian Coup
(18:08) Polls about voting Green
(20:57) Vote Green Poll by Gender
(23:35) Polls on The Voice - It's Doomed
(29:33) Trump Polls A
(34:07) Trump Polls B
(38:54) ICAC and Berejiklian
(43:51) Apropos Mexico
(46:14) Raytheon Can't Decouple from China
(48:55) Affirmative Action
(58:06) Calvary Hospital
(01:03:20) Hasta Luego
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Transcript
Suburban Eastern Australia.
Speaker:An environment that has over time evolved some extraordinarily
Speaker:unique groups of homo sapiens.
Speaker:But today we observe a small tribe akin to a group of meka that gather together
Speaker:atop a small mound to watch question and discuss the current events of their city,
Speaker:their country, and their world at large.
Speaker:Let's listen keenly and observe this group fondly known as the
Speaker:Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.
Speaker:You guys are interrupting a perfectly good private argument that we were
Speaker:just having prior to going live, and we thought, oh, what the heck?
Speaker:We've just pressed the live button and, and just keep arguing.
Speaker:So yeah, you're wrong.
Speaker:Joe was against me.
Speaker:Velvet.
Speaker:Glove was against me.
Speaker:Anyway.
Speaker:This is a podcast.
Speaker:He's got a wrong position.
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:You know, this is a podcast where we talk about news and politics, sex and religion,
Speaker:and we've been doing it for eight years.
Speaker:Bloody hell.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:Today, Scott, 4th of July, eight years ago you and I started.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:Holy shit.
Speaker:Indeed.
Speaker:I'm Trevor a k a, the Iron.
Speaker:Fist with me as always, Scott.
Speaker:The Velvet.
Speaker:Glove.
Speaker:Good day, Trevor.
Speaker:Good day, Joe.
Speaker:Gday listeners.
Speaker:So hope you're all well and enjoy the tech guy who's got, bits
Speaker:and pieces of skin that has been removed from him via dry ice.
Speaker:How are you, Joe?
Speaker:Evening Neil.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:The skin doctor got a little bit excited and started dropping dry ice everywhere.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So here we are, eight years later.
Speaker:You might be hoping that I've gone through all of the old episodes and
Speaker:extracted highlights and I've put them in some sort of clever montage for you.
Speaker:Nope, that hasn't happened.
Speaker:But, we can pretty much conduct a normal podcast.
Speaker:Hello to Broman in the chat room.
Speaker:If you're in the chat room, say hello.
Speaker:yeah, so, is that logo in the wrong place, Joe?
Speaker:Is that normally there?
Speaker:Like that?
Speaker:I put, maybe I'll take it off.
Speaker:Actually, maybe I take that logo off.
Speaker:That way we see the chat.
Speaker:I, I, alright, what's on the agenda?
Speaker:Let me see what have I got on the agenda for tonight?
Speaker:We're gonna talk about briefly what's happened in the last two
Speaker:weeks cuz it has been two weeks.
Speaker:essential poll on the greens, some more polling on the voice, which is very
Speaker:interesting as to how that's going.
Speaker:Some polling on Donald Trump, talking about Gladys Lin.
Speaker:Is she corrupt?
Speaker:I mentioned Mexico the other day in relation to, the war with the Americans.
Speaker:It looks like that might be repeated sooner rather than later.
Speaker:And, affirmative action in USA Universities and the Calvary Hospital
Speaker:in the a c t and maybe Seymour Hirsch on Prego and that attempted coup in Russia.
Speaker:So see where we end up would've actually an attempted coup or not.
Speaker:Well see where we end up.
Speaker:Joe's had to log out, he'll log back in.
Speaker:Dunno what's happened to Joe.
Speaker:So, thanks Broman for the best wishes.
Speaker:Yes, eight years.
Speaker:Scott.
Speaker:I was just reflecting a little bit on eight years.
Speaker:I sort of went through some of the episode, names that I've
Speaker:used over the last few hundred.
Speaker:And one thing that struck me, Scott, was.
Speaker:How many, just picking out, talked about submarines.
Speaker:Yeah, submarines are in there.
Speaker:Of course, major things though were that whole ruddock report,
Speaker:religious discrimination bill.
Speaker:Really, you know, we had Turnbull agreed to the ruddock report in order
Speaker:to placate nut bags in the liberal party, and then that then led to the
Speaker:religious discrimination Bill Israel for la and we've still got labor talking
Speaker:about religious discrimination, bill.
Speaker:That's kind of been one of the more dominant themes of the last eight years
Speaker:that we could have avoided if we hadn't had a ruddock inquiry in the first place.
Speaker:Brought about by those guys.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Well, it's the fault of the damn gaze.
Speaker:Demanding equality fault.
Speaker:Yeah, that was it.
Speaker:That's right.
Speaker:You're right.
Speaker:And it came because it was to placate the right wing because
Speaker:of the marriage equality.
Speaker:So correct all of that.
Speaker:We can blame on Scott and his mates demanding equality.
Speaker:So yeah, so that a key thing that we had, over the last eight years.
Speaker:Another one would've been sort of libertarian arguments
Speaker:that I had with Paul.
Speaker:They went on a lot about what people could do, what were the rights of the individual
Speaker:versus the rights of the community.
Speaker:and their continuing ones today in many respects on different things.
Speaker:Israel Lau of course.
Speaker:How could one footballer create so much content for a podcast?
Speaker:But he did.
Speaker:we've had over that time, Scott, the obvious takeover of the liberal party
Speaker:by the Christian radicals following, USA sort of game plan for doing that,
Speaker:following the Republican example.
Speaker:That's just become increasingly obvious over these past few years.
Speaker:And I guess from eight years ago, the real dire straits of the liberal party
Speaker:in terms of the caliber of candidate that's there and is likely to come in the
Speaker:future is, it's probably the one of the biggest things in politics in Australia
Speaker:in the last eight years, do you think?
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And they are looking increasingly sick.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And it seems to be a position they can't recover from.
Speaker:It's all right.
Speaker:They, they've got the focus on the book.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Their eyes on the ball.
Speaker:You saw the, what the, the LMP are gonna do in Queensland if they get power.
Speaker:No, they, they're gonna look for, all the sexually explicit material
Speaker:that's being given to children.
Speaker:Oh, for God sake.
Speaker:Oh, good Bibles.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Except that.
Speaker:Except for that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You know, did they really say that?
Speaker:I swear they've just been through the Republican Twitter.
Speaker:They, they really said that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Oh, had I missed that?
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Send me the link.
Speaker:I wanna send that one.
Speaker:Was it from Elli or from, from one of the, I, I had a, it had a photo of, Mr.
Speaker:Potato Head next to it, so I've No idea.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You assume, you mean Dubin when you call him potato head there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I, I, I wouldn't, give him a proper name.
Speaker:He doesn't deserve it.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And one of the highlights, I guess over this time was the voluntary
Speaker:assisted dying legislation and how that progressed from not existing to now
Speaker:in place and actually up and running, and what a great campaign that was.
Speaker:The people behind it.
Speaker:So that would be the highlight I'd say of the last eight years in terms of
Speaker:things that have happened politics wise.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Amongst a lot of low lights.
Speaker:It's a small mar a small bar to jump over, but voluntary sister died.
Speaker:I did it with ease.
Speaker:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker:And you know, deep Throat really needs to be congratulated for
Speaker:that because you know, does that whole thing dying with Dignity
Speaker:Queensland, they did a brilliant job.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So there we go.
Speaker:That's the reflections on eight years.
Speaker:We'll keep going another eight or 16, see how we go.
Speaker:We're up to 3 89 50 eighth guy then.
Speaker:Yeah, we've averaged, pretty much only missing about three
Speaker:episodes per year on average.
Speaker:Although I'd say the average has been affected by this last year.
Speaker:I've missed more than most.
Speaker:But anyway, it's not bad going, so, alright.
Speaker:it's been two weeks.
Speaker:Few things have happened since then.
Speaker:I saw a Twitter, a tweet by somebody who, cause we had the Russian coup
Speaker:and the, and the, submarine that was around the, Titanic area there.
Speaker:And the tweet was, if I'd had known this entire week would be a throwback to the
Speaker:1910s, I would've worn a bigger hat.
Speaker:Rich people dying on the Titanic uprising in Russia.
Speaker:If someone launches a Zeppelin, I am buying a hobble skirt.
Speaker:Said this person.
Speaker:Not a bad line.
Speaker:So, Scott, Joe Russian coup.
Speaker:That was a pretty quick one.
Speaker:Aver and done with, didn't go far.
Speaker:Ian is now banished to Belarus and is with the blessing of Putin.
Speaker:Just gonna see out his days over there.
Speaker:Thoughts on that whole shenanigans?
Speaker:Oh, the whole, the, the very vocal comments upfront.
Speaker:About how Putin was being misled by Sui and whoever the other one, the
Speaker:Minister of Defense and the chief of the Army, who had their own private
Speaker:reasons for wanting to invade Ukraine and make it their own personal fiefdom.
Speaker:And, and that Putin had been misled, that there weren't Nazis there,
Speaker:that it really wasn't a threat.
Speaker:NATO wasn't a threat, that it was all just all about personal gains and privilege.
Speaker:That's what Pian was saying.
Speaker:That's what Pian was saying.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:and then invaded the, sorry.
Speaker:One, well captured, captured the largest city since the invasion began.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Which just happened to be a Russian city before heading north on the
Speaker:highway, about 700 kilometers of the thousand kilometers while shooting down.
Speaker:And, and yeah, the whole, forgiveness, the pardons for them is a bit strange.
Speaker:They shot down at least four or five military helicopters.
Speaker:With all on board lost and also a mobile, an airborne command center
Speaker:with I think a left tenant general or a fairly high ranking officer on board.
Speaker:So they actually took out a fair number of highly skilled Air Force pilots.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:and they've just been let off, which is seems strange.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And, and people are saying Yeah.
Speaker:Whether or not it seemed like a smart move.
Speaker:The, being, being a dictator, you have to be all about, the image you present.
Speaker:And his image is of a person who is not a strong man at
Speaker:Putin's image or Putin's image.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Has been severely weakened because having gone on TV and said, these are
Speaker:traders, they're gonna pay for this.
Speaker:He's then gone.
Speaker:No, no, off you go.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Nothing further to be had.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Which, you know, this was a serious threat to his power and he's just accepted it.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So there's a lot of questions.
Speaker:Look, the Ukraine must be laughing about this at the very least.
Speaker:There's a lot of questions being asked about how did they get so far
Speaker:that's gonna pull some troops, real troops back into Russia to prevent
Speaker:any other armed forces doing that.
Speaker:There are a lot of private military companies that are operating in Russia,
Speaker:that have been given heavy weapons by the Russian military that in theory could do.
Speaker:I mean, obviously this was the biggest, but there are others out there.
Speaker:and the question is, what's to stop one of those doing it?
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Or even the army.
Speaker:I didn't read about the four, aircraft being shot down.
Speaker:Where'd you read that?
Speaker:what do you read?
Speaker:What are you reading to get all this information?
Speaker:This, this was Peron's YouTube channel who is a military analyst.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:but again, he works with open source intel.
Speaker:So this is stuff that is being openly reported.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:it it's generally stuff that is verifiable.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So it's not speculation.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So that's a, so that's sort of a view that Putin's in trouble.
Speaker:It was something out of hand and for one reason or another, perhaps because of
Speaker:weakness, Putin is letting him go because he can't really do anything strong.
Speaker:Well, there's, there was a Wall Street Journal or, there was a US video I
Speaker:watched, just before that happened actually about Wagner, and saying where,
Speaker:yeah, where did they come from and.
Speaker:Realistically, they have been going into third world countries that are politically
Speaker:unstable, but have huge mineral resources.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And providing stability in exchange for mineral resources.
Speaker:And they have been providing the hard cash that Russia hasn't been able to get
Speaker:since the sanctions have been in place.
Speaker:So, hang on.
Speaker:Is this from the same YouTube guy?
Speaker:No, this is a, this was, one of the US ones, right.
Speaker:Because I don't think Russia's had trouble getting, getting paid for its oil like,
Speaker:but India and the rest of the, the, the non, but, but they also western line
Speaker:countries, sort of gold mines in Africa.
Speaker:They own, extra oil production facilities in the Middle East.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:yeah, I think they own a third of Syria oil wells or something
Speaker:because my understanding is the ration economy's doing fine.
Speaker:Thank you very much.
Speaker:I don't think they need the Wagner group's cash from African Minds support.
Speaker:The Wagner Group is bringing in a large amount of money, so one wonders how
Speaker:much of that was heading in Putin's direction and might have suffered him.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:That's one view.
Speaker:I'll give a count of view.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I'll just jump to it.
Speaker:So Seymour Hirsch, dear listener, was the guy who broke the story
Speaker:on the Nord Stream pipeline being blown up by, merit Americans.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So well respected journalist in that regard.
Speaker:So his, from his CK on this whole thing.
Speaker:So what he says is, so below was a look at what was really going on that
Speaker:was provided to me by a knowledgeable source in the American intelligence
Speaker:community, an UNN source speaking to telling Seymour hers stuff.
Speaker:He's, and this source is saying, I thought I might clear some of the smoke.
Speaker:First, and most importantly, Putin is now in a much stronger position.
Speaker:We realized as early as January, 2023 that a showdown between the generals
Speaker:backed by Putin and, brien backed by anti-Russian extremists was inevitable.
Speaker:The age old conflict between the Special war fighters and a large, slow
Speaker:clumsy, unimaginative regular army.
Speaker:The army always wins because they own the peripheral assets that make victory
Speaker:either offensive or defensive possible.
Speaker:Most importantly, they control logistics.
Speaker:When the overall strategy is offensive, big army tolerates their hubris and
Speaker:public chest thumping because the special forces are willing to take
Speaker:high risk and pay a high price.
Speaker:Wagner members were the spearhead of the original Russian Ukraine offensive.
Speaker:They were the little green men.
Speaker:When the offensive grew into an all out attack, Wagner continued to assist, but.
Speaker:Reluctantly had to take a back seat in the period of instability and
Speaker:readjustment that followed, brige and Wagner as the worst of special forces
Speaker:took the limelight and took the credit for stopping the hated Ukrainians.
Speaker:The press gobbled it up.
Speaker:Meanwhile, the big army and Putin slowly changed their strategy from
Speaker:offensive conquest of greater Ukraine to defense of what they already had.
Speaker:Brien refused to accept the change continued on the offensive against bmu.
Speaker:Therein lies the rub.
Speaker:Rather than create a public crisis and a court marshal, Moscow simply
Speaker:withheld the resources and let pian use up his manpower and firepower,
Speaker:reserves dooming him to a stand down.
Speaker:he is after all, no matter how cunning, financially and ex hotdog cart owner with
Speaker:no political or military accomplishments.
Speaker:and is saying that Wagner was being cycled out of the Bachman front over
Speaker:the past three months and sent to abandoned barracks for Demobilization.
Speaker:And Putin finally backed to the Army, who let brien make a fool of himself and
Speaker:now disappear into IGN Mini or without raising a sweat militarily or causing
Speaker:Putin to face a political standoff with the fundamentalists who were ardent prion.
Speaker:Admirers.
Speaker:Pretty shrewd.
Speaker:and now the current battlefield statistics were shared with me.
Speaker:I learned that in the first two weeks of the operation, the Ukraine military
Speaker:seized only 44 square miles of territory previously held by the Russian Army.
Speaker:Much of it open land.
Speaker:So basically the so-called counter offensive, not going so well.
Speaker:But there you go.
Speaker:There's two versions of the, of what's happening in Russia.
Speaker:Who knows where the truth actually lies.
Speaker:It could be in the middle, it could be somewhere way off, you know, another area.
Speaker:Will we ever know?
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I, I think, I think we're ever gonna know the truth.
Speaker:The, the military gains of last year were unusual and we saw these huge advances
Speaker:through large areas of Eastern Ukraine.
Speaker:but realistically they were on the back of months and months of fighting.
Speaker:So for this new attack, to have got nowhere in the first Yeah.
Speaker:Couple of months is not an unexpected.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I, I think we, 24 hour news cycle we're used to seeing, waking up
Speaker:and seeing a new place taken every day, and that just isn't the norm.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Those are outliers.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Well, we'll see how it goes.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:We've got some polls, lots of interesting polls to talk about in this episode,
Speaker:closer to home after that diversion.
Speaker:So we've got Ukrainians and polls.
Speaker:Boom.
Speaker:Boom.
Speaker:Thanks, Joe.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Here's a chart on the screen for those who are watching the
Speaker:video, or we'll talk about it for those simply watching at home.
Speaker:And what we've got is greens and independent, which of the
Speaker:following best applies to you?
Speaker:and what we're looking at here is the dark red on the right hand side, which
Speaker:is I've never given my first preference to the greens or an independent
Speaker:candidate and don't think I ever will.
Speaker:And the interesting part of that is young people, 18 to 34, only 21%
Speaker:would say that old people, 55 plus.
Speaker:62% would say that, that they've never given a preference to
Speaker:a green or an independent and don't think they ever will.
Speaker:So preference, first preference?
Speaker:yes.
Speaker:My first preference.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:So stock divide again, based on age.
Speaker:There's a real age difference in politics in Australia.
Speaker:Real age gap, I think, on lots of things.
Speaker:So, and what they're actually finding is that they're not becoming more
Speaker:conservative as they get older.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:You know, so there was a podcast I was listening to just recently, it
Speaker:might have been 7:00 AM They were saying that, this is bad news for
Speaker:the coalition because then as the population ages and that type of thing,
Speaker:they're not getting more conservative.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:It was normal to see people swap from being.
Speaker:labor to liberal as they aged.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:But they're not seeing the same swap at the same age points like they used
Speaker:being young and angry and wanting against the status quo when you're,
Speaker:when you've got nothing to lose, but when you've got something to lose, yes.
Speaker:You want to keep what you've got.
Speaker:And the problem is people aren't getting something that they know that
Speaker:they then fear losing cuz the things are so bad for the middle classes and
Speaker:the middle, you know, that sort of age group to, to 40, 40 fives or whatever.
Speaker:So many renters amongst them.
Speaker:So, so anyway, in terms of people for a first preference for the
Speaker:greens, older people, 55 plus, 62%.
Speaker:No way.
Speaker:Never.
Speaker:only 20% of young, 21% of young people would say that.
Speaker:And then how does that break down in terms of, well, young people have
Speaker:also got more elections devoted.
Speaker:They've got longer to change their minds.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:But they're talking about a longer period there.
Speaker:Yes, that's true.
Speaker:That is true.
Speaker:what have I got here?
Speaker:How would that.
Speaker:Pan out in terms of gender?
Speaker:no, sorry, on voting preference, labor voters, 40% of them would say
Speaker:that, that they've never given first preference to greens or independent
Speaker:and don't think they ever will.
Speaker:66% of coalition would say that.
Speaker:How many greens voters though, doesn't say does it?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:For good reason.
Speaker:And the other one I think coming up is on, oh, I must have missed the one on gender.
Speaker:There's one on gender.
Speaker:Again, females more likely as who vote green men less likely
Speaker:to dunno what happened to that.
Speaker:So, so that was, just in terms of the greens and how they're traveling and
Speaker:just this age divide in politics, really, if you, if you were given a room full
Speaker:of people and you're having to quickly.
Speaker:Categorize them into likely voting, patents.
Speaker:and you know nothing about people, but you're only allowed to ask, say a few
Speaker:quick, a few key questions, except who are you gonna vote for at the next election?
Speaker:Like, you're not allowed to ask the easy one, but you're allowed to ask
Speaker:them about their lives and stuff.
Speaker:one of the first questions you'd ask would just be, how old are you?
Speaker:And that would be indicating a lot of politics right there in that
Speaker:question as to, as to how old you are.
Speaker:And then, do you live in an inner city urban environment or are you in
Speaker:a outer suburb regional environment?
Speaker:That will tell you a lot.
Speaker:Male or female?
Speaker:I'll tell you what, I think the outer suburbs are more conservative
Speaker:than the regions actually.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Like Queensland.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:more conservative than the regional Queensland.
Speaker:anyway, what age are you won't be my first question.
Speaker:Where do you live and what gender are you and.
Speaker:Maybe if you get a fourth question, your education level, but you
Speaker:know, those first three are really telling you a lot about people.
Speaker:I think one, just, just ask them if they're cisgender.
Speaker:That tells you a lot about people.
Speaker:Just their response to that.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Are you, are you woke?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, so yes, there we go.
Speaker:That's the greens.
Speaker:Scott, you are still in the category that you'd never give them first preference,
Speaker:and you're unlikely you haven't and you're unlikely to in the future.
Speaker:Would that be right?
Speaker:No, that's right.
Speaker:That's the, the greens, the independence.
Speaker:I would actually consider casting a vote for them.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:A teal independent or something like that.
Speaker:Yes, exactly.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:The voice is, is becoming quite interesting.
Speaker:So polls are really turning on the voice now.
Speaker:So got this one from my son some snapshot.
Speaker:So, news poll came out with some polling on the voice.
Speaker:Now just remember, only three of six states need to vote
Speaker:no for it to get blocked.
Speaker:So at the moment we've got Victoria and New South Wales are
Speaker:a relatively strong yes vote.
Speaker:And according to the latest news poll figure we had Victoria.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:48, no.
Speaker:41 New South Wales.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:46, no, 41.
Speaker:So fairly strong in Victoria and New South Wales.
Speaker:But South Australia, yes.
Speaker:45.
Speaker:Actually, I'll put that up on the screen.
Speaker:Might as well do that.
Speaker:South Australia was yes.
Speaker:45, no.
Speaker:46 Tasmania.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:43, no.
Speaker:48 Queensland.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:40 No.
Speaker:54 And Western Australia.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:39.
Speaker:No, 52.
Speaker:We don't have the territory though.
Speaker:So yeah, because they don't get, they just go into the total.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:You don't actually, you don't actually, because they're no longer, because they're
Speaker:not states, you don't actually count them into that second majority, right?
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:So on that, overall, the overall figure from news poll, so then, so the, no, you
Speaker:know, overall the No vote, took the lead 47 to 43 previously in the same poll.
Speaker:The Yes was leading 46 to 43.
Speaker:So that's, a change in news poll and it's sort of been reflected in, in
Speaker:another one as well, resolve as well.
Speaker:So I'll just read this section that says, that's the first lead for
Speaker:the No Campaign in a news poll.
Speaker:Resolve polling.
Speaker:Had the first lead for a no in any national poll two weeks ago.
Speaker:Now we, dear listener, have regularly been providing the
Speaker:essentials sort of polling on this.
Speaker:And it's been around the 60%.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:40% no.
Speaker:And, according to this article in the conversation that may reflect some
Speaker:sampling issues, and according to this article in the conversation, news
Speaker:Pollen Resolve have far better track records at elections than essential.
Speaker:So the support for the voice has crashed since April.
Speaker:And, based on those figures, who knew that there were that many Nazis in Australia?
Speaker:Well, do you have to be a Nazi to vote?
Speaker:No, absolutely.
Speaker:No, you don't.
Speaker:So, I'm sure the Yes campaign will tell us all that we have
Speaker:to be Nazis if we're voting.
Speaker:No, just racist.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Interesting.
Speaker:The whole point now, Brian was telling me about something that was
Speaker:written by some former politician and he reckons that you are beginning
Speaker:to see the basket of deplorables argument being displayed by the Yes.
Speaker:Vote.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The criticism of people who are wanting to vote no as being
Speaker:racist assholes is just mm-hmm.
Speaker:Hardening their resolve.
Speaker:along those lines, so happened with Brexit as well.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:So I wouldn't want to have a lot of money hunting that the Yes vote's gonna get up.
Speaker:I would be very worried about my bet if that was the case.
Speaker:It's gonna be very interesting how it all pans out.
Speaker:Very interesting.
Speaker:If, if you were to look at those numbers right now, it looks like it's lost.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And, given that's the direction and the momentum, we'll see.
Speaker:Very interesting result.
Speaker:It makes me wonder why he's so hell bent on having it, you know?
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:It's one of those things.
Speaker:It may well have been an election commitment, but if the polls aren't,
Speaker:aren't backing you and that type of thing, if the opposition's not backing
Speaker:you, then you've actually gotta say, well, oh, was it, this isn't likely.
Speaker:Was it a core commitment?
Speaker:Sorry?
Speaker:Was it core or non-core?
Speaker:That's the question.
Speaker:It was probably a core commitment because he made a hell of a big deal
Speaker:about it on the election night, right?
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I mean, if it, if it goes down and fails, is that really going to be
Speaker:seen as something, a failure that attaches to albanese and labor?
Speaker:potentially.
Speaker:I was gonna say he remembers the, Republican.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Does anyone attach it to the, the Prime Minister at the time?
Speaker:Yeah, Howard, I think it's poss I think it's quite possible for, for
Speaker:this vote to fail and not really cause albanese a lot of damage.
Speaker:I think people would take the view there was such a demand for this, you
Speaker:know, referendum that you put it up there and then ultimately it's up to
Speaker:everyone else to decide what to do.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I think you can get by with that.
Speaker:A lot of political damage to it, but we'll soon, you know, we'll find out.
Speaker:But Yeah.
Speaker:apparently it's in October.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:there was a question somebody asked was, is he gonna be mandatory?
Speaker:Well, I thought it would be compulsory voting for a referendum.
Speaker:It's compulsory.
Speaker:It is compulsory to vote.
Speaker:You know, the only reason that, the plebiscite wasn't compulsory
Speaker:is because it wasn't actually governed by the electoral commission.
Speaker:It was done via the a b S.
Speaker:So it was just a grown up opinion poll.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So very interesting polls on that one.
Speaker:Now in America, they have a thing called 5 38 is this group.
Speaker:And what they do is they grab a bunch of polls and amalgamate the results
Speaker:of multiple polls to try and get a, a, a poll of polls if you like, 5 38.
Speaker:That's what their job is.
Speaker:And they've been looking at Donald Trump and, how he's going in terms
Speaker:of the, republican, nomination.
Speaker:And then how he would go against Joe Biden.
Speaker:And remembering, dear listener, it's hard to imagine a political
Speaker:candidate having worse press than what Donald Trump has had.
Speaker:And you know where I'm heading with this?
Speaker:It's, he's simply Teflon coated in that this mud refuses to stick.
Speaker:The, the problem is he gets any press.
Speaker:Surely if Jack the Ripper got pressed though, it would've been that you're
Speaker:a bad person and we don't throw you in jail, we wanna throw you in jail.
Speaker:But, I mean Hitler had, was Time Magazines mad of the Year?
Speaker:Yeah, just cuz you got good pre, just cuz you got press doesn't
Speaker:mean that you're a good person.
Speaker:Honestly, Trump could walk down Fifth, fifth Avenue and just start shooting
Speaker:people and, and if he was arrested, people would say that it was a set up correct.
Speaker:And his, these numbers would jump.
Speaker:He would actually get a boost in the polls.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:here we are with Trump in terms of the, Republican nomination
Speaker:and he is way ahead of DeSantis.
Speaker:So at the moment, somewhere around 51%, what is he?
Speaker:50, Trump leads 53.1% Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on 21.2,
Speaker:and nobody else is above six.
Speaker:So when it comes to who the, the nominee is gonna be for the
Speaker:Republican party at the next presidential election, if he doesn't
Speaker:die beforehand, it's gonna be Trump.
Speaker:Well, DeSantis is an non-entity.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:and the crats are beholden to Trump because he's given them.
Speaker:Three Supreme Court justices.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Who proceeded to do the most radical reform.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No, no.
Speaker:None of these reformist judges.
Speaker:Oh wait, they are, aren't they?
Speaker:You're just reforming the wrong way.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Anyway, interestingly enough, the Republican primary vote has dropped
Speaker:in many states because of abortion.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Well, we'll get onto how he would fare against Biden.
Speaker:yes.
Speaker:For example.
Speaker:But just before we get to that, if Trump is convicted at trial before
Speaker:the November, 2024 election mm-hmm.
Speaker:He can still run for president.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:there's actually a precedent for that, where somebody did do that before,
Speaker:got 3% of the vote running there, there was a question as to how Secret
Speaker:Service would look after him in prison.
Speaker:Wouldn't that be fascinating?
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Fascinating how that would pan out.
Speaker:Indeed.
Speaker:in Australia, section 44 of the Constitution disqualifies anyone
Speaker:under sentence or subject to the sentence for a crime with a prison
Speaker:sentence of one year or longer from serving in federal parliament.
Speaker:But there is no US equivalent.
Speaker:And of course, if Trump were elected president from prison, he
Speaker:could potentially pardon himself
Speaker:a beautiful world we live in.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Can you pardon yourself?
Speaker:I didn't think you could.
Speaker:There was that argument and that type of thing that was being brought up last time.
Speaker:They were saying that, there was some.
Speaker:constitutional experts were saying that he could actually go in and pardon himself.
Speaker:Others were saying he couldn't.
Speaker:I tell you what, if it goes to the Supreme Court to decide if he can Oh, that's true.
Speaker:He'll be able to, pardon?
Speaker:I think you'll find, I think you'll find he can.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:even, even if there's a specific section in the Constitution that says
Speaker:the president cannot pardon himself, they'll read that some way to Yes.
Speaker:Find that he can.
Speaker:But the original intention of the founders was Yes, indeed.
Speaker:thinking about a Donald Trump in the future.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So let's then move to, how he's going against Joe Biden and, oh boy.
Speaker:Oh boy.
Speaker:Oh boy.
Speaker:so on the screen and perhaps appearing on your screen, dear listener, in
Speaker:your app, because I gave the effort of putting these on the chapter
Speaker:images, so hopefully it appears.
Speaker:There's a poll of polls.
Speaker:There's, seven of 'em, big Village Harris Havard, sorry, Harris, Harvard Born in
Speaker:consult, premise, Quinnie Pak, Redfield and Wilton and YouGov slash the Economist.
Speaker:And on average, before he was indicted for these issues regarding
Speaker:keeping secret documents in toilets, before that, Biden was, Trump
Speaker:was leading 42.9 to Biden, 42.3.
Speaker:And after the indictment, the average of all those polls shows that Trump
Speaker:is still leading 42.6 to 41.4.
Speaker:So Trump's.
Speaker:Approval dropped marginally, but Biden's dropped.
Speaker:Biden's dropped even more.
Speaker:So according to the poll of polls, Trump would win an election against
Speaker:Joe Biden and the indictment, he has not shifted that unfavorably at all.
Speaker:I don't extraordinary, I don't understand that extraordinary.
Speaker:How the hell could, you know, how the hell could anyone in the US actually think to
Speaker:themselves that this man's worth a vote?
Speaker:Ex Hmm.
Speaker:Well, the crats think he is because he's given the Supreme Court.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:there's a lot of people who watch Fox News and buy into the,
Speaker:everything that Biden does is bad.
Speaker:there's a lot of people who are never Democrats.
Speaker:There's just a lot of crazy, uneducated people who think very tribally,
Speaker:who have been brainwashed by a poisonous Murdoch propaganda outfit.
Speaker:In, in here.
Speaker:We are.
Speaker:It's not untrue over here.
Speaker:We just haven't quite got to that point just yet.
Speaker:Thank goodness.
Speaker:Give us time.
Speaker:But surely they must be looking for someone else other than Donald Trump.
Speaker:I, I would say the smart money is, but I think the problem is, the
Speaker:Republicans and there are some never Trumpers in the Republicans, but
Speaker:he's their best chance of winning.
Speaker:He's a populist, he will say whatever he needs to say at the time.
Speaker:These people sa incredulous, I'll just believe anything.
Speaker:Promises do not matter to him.
Speaker:He will stand up and say whatever it takes to get their vote and is extraordinary.
Speaker:It is extraordinary times after all that.
Speaker:So, so there you go.
Speaker:if you've got, the other thing of course is in the Democrat, pre-selection, Biden
Speaker:is a long way ahead of the next candidate.
Speaker:Robert Kennedy Jr.
Speaker:Thank God for that.
Speaker:But, and increasingly you're seeing stuff about Robert Kennedy Jr.
Speaker:About how crazy that guy is.
Speaker:He's one crazy dude.
Speaker:any of us who are in the skeptic community have known for a
Speaker:long time how crazy he is.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:He's only a heartbeat away from being the leader, leading contender.
Speaker:I mean, if Biden has a heart attack or a stroke or some other incapacitating
Speaker:event, then because this guy's been running the, you know, he's in the
Speaker:box seat, doesn't he like, okay.
Speaker:He's a long way from being the leader.
Speaker:Harris.
Speaker:Harris would end up, Kamala Harris would, would get the job
Speaker:if Biden was actually to die.
Speaker:And then after that, then they wouldn't actually, well, you'd assume that
Speaker:they wouldn't kick her out for him.
Speaker:Yeah, I know.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Any look at these figures, anything's possible, isn't it anyway, just, just
Speaker:saying We could end up with a presidential election with, Robert, with an anti-vaxxer
Speaker:and an anti-vaxxer against, against Trump.
Speaker:That could be the next US election.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And people think that that country can continue to put up a fight against China.
Speaker:Good luck.
Speaker:Right, that is Barry Jian had an ICAC report come out and, 700 pages.
Speaker:Oh.
Speaker:Basically, in an extraordinary report released today, the Independent
Speaker:Commission against Corruption found former New South Wales Premier.
Speaker:Gladys Baric then has taken, had taken steps toward government grants
Speaker:in a desire on her part to maintain or advance her relationship with
Speaker:former Stadium p Darryl McGuire.
Speaker:And the commission faulted her for not disclosing her relationship and
Speaker:for failing to report any suspicions she had about McGuire's activities.
Speaker:And they called it grave misconduct, but not criminal misconduct.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:And that is what the conservative commentators and Murdoch press.
Speaker:I've latched onto to say, well, it wasn't criminal, so it's all okay.
Speaker:And just reading from a piece that said the reason why it wasn't criminal, this
Speaker:simply reflects the difference between the statutory definition of corrupt
Speaker:conduct and specific criminal acts.
Speaker:The statutory definition of corrupt conduct embraces a wide range of
Speaker:conduct that might not be criminal.
Speaker:Failure to reveal conflicts of interest is one book, barreling is another.
Speaker:On the ICAC findings, bar, Ian's conduct fell well short of a proper discharge of
Speaker:her public duties, but was not criminal.
Speaker:So, yeah, that's how that all panned out.
Speaker:Pretty damning report as to her conduct, just not criminal.
Speaker:What did.
Speaker:Peter Dutton have to say about all of that.
Speaker:Ah, here we go.
Speaker:It's been a big week for Gladys Berro Lin as well as we all know.
Speaker:your reaction to the corruption findings?
Speaker:Well, Carla, in Gladys, I know somebody who is, absolutely, a wonderful person.
Speaker:She's first class, and what you see in public is, is what
Speaker:you get in private as well.
Speaker:She's just a very decent person.
Speaker:she chose a bum, basically, and, he was a bad guy.
Speaker:And I think, that she has, you know, paid a big price for that.
Speaker:She and a good woman brought her integrity is not in question.
Speaker:She's not a corrupt person.
Speaker:that's not the person that I know, and I think she should hold her head high.
Speaker:she had, a bad relationship as everybody does, and I hope that, pause for some
Speaker:reason in the middle of that, Joe, sorry.
Speaker:yeah, she chose a bum.
Speaker:That's luck.
Speaker:A we all do it apparently.
Speaker:she, she's only a simple woman.
Speaker:She couldn't be expected to know better.
Speaker:Unlucky, it's a bloke who brought her down unlucky in love.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:It's one of those things I've never accepted that, you know,
Speaker:that she was unlucky in love.
Speaker:You know, you, you can look at that and that type of thing.
Speaker:You, you know, you listen to some of those, some of those recordings of them
Speaker:on, on their, on their telephone chats.
Speaker:And you could think to yourself, okay, lady, you mightn't have been
Speaker:told that what he was actually doing, but you knew he was up to no good.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And he was pressuring her for favors and she was saying, yeah, all right,
Speaker:just look, I think we can rely on the Australian editorial to provide us with
Speaker:an unbiased assessment of the situation.
Speaker:And apparently it said, it's meed icac as being an unaccountable law unto itself.
Speaker:Of course it is with little regard for proper process.
Speaker:It's public hearings as nothing but quote, public shaming and the
Speaker:investigation is nothing but a show trial.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So Leader of the Opposition and Australia's major newspaper.
Speaker:Nothing to see here, despite an icac, damning icac report and damning
Speaker:about the evidence she gave as well.
Speaker:That's the state of play in Australian, politics at the moment.
Speaker:Your listener, I, I'm shocked that the Australian would say such a thing.
Speaker:Yes, totally outta outta character.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Probably somewhere on some panel show on the abc, they will repeat that and say,
Speaker:well, is that a fair assessment or not?
Speaker:Like they'll actually give that some airtime probably.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:And then they'll have an LMP person in to say, of course, it was a fair assessment.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And then they'll have one per from, you know, the other side.
Speaker:And, there were two sides of the whole thing.
Speaker:That's what will happen.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I mentioned just for the, like I just dragged up an old article last
Speaker:time we spoke about the, the, the war between America and Mexico and just
Speaker:by coincidence came across an article from, David Frum in the Atlantic.
Speaker:So David Frum was, I think a speech writer for George W.
Speaker:Bush and conservative commentator of course writing in the Atlantic.
Speaker:And he says actually he's conservative, but he hates Trump.
Speaker:He's a never Trumper.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Along those lines, war with Mexico, it's on the 2024 ballot, at least if
Speaker:you believe the campaign rhetoric of more and more Republican candidates.
Speaker:In January, two Republican House members introduced a bill to authorize the
Speaker:use of military force inside Mexico.
Speaker:I've watched the com documentary about the ex, military members
Speaker:who are doing cross-border raids against the drug smugglers and Right.
Speaker:And, and also I think the people smugglers.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So they're already doing cross border incursions, just
Speaker:not legally un unauthorized.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And so these two Republicans are saying, well, we need to write this into, we
Speaker:need to do the right thing and write this into law that our forces can just
Speaker:enter Mexico and start doing whatever they need to do because, you know,
Speaker:it's the best place for us to do it.
Speaker:So, these were not, no, nothings from the fringe of the MAGA caucus.
Speaker:One was Dan Crenshaw of Texas, a former Navy Seal who received
Speaker:a master's degree from Harvard's Kennedy School of Government.
Speaker:The other was Mike Walsh, waltz of Florida, a former Green Beret who
Speaker:served as the counter-terrorism advisor to Vice President Dick Cheney.
Speaker:For a start, what do we do?
Speaker:A former Navy SEAL and a former Green Beret are really keen to pass
Speaker:laws authorizing military action.
Speaker:Gee, what a surprise.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Like if we elected Ben Robert Smith to Parliament and he suddenly wanted the
Speaker:SAS be given extra power to run around in other countries, would we be surprised?
Speaker:No, I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:I'd be shocked.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Anyway, that was apropos Mexico Ray Raytheon, that's a company
Speaker:that provides military nasty stuff.
Speaker:And aircraft stuff and a huge company.
Speaker:It's all sorts of government contracts, massive a company.
Speaker:And when they're talking about the battle with China, the head of,
Speaker:Raytheon had some stuff to say.
Speaker:Western manufacturers will be able to de-risk their operations in China,
Speaker:but we'll find it impossible to cut ties completely with the country.
Speaker:According to the head of one of the US largest aerospace and defense
Speaker:companies, Greg Hayes, chief executive of Raytheon said the company had
Speaker:several thousand suppliers in China, and decoupling is impossible adding.
Speaker:He believed this to be the case for everybody.
Speaker:So China is too strong, too well embedded, supplying too much essential stuff.
Speaker:It's gonna be really hard.
Speaker:America's modus operandi in the past has been to cut countries off, sanction them.
Speaker:But the fact is that these big American companies like Raytheon need China.
Speaker:they can arm themselves.
Speaker:China, they can feed themselves.
Speaker:They're, they're arming and feeding America, well,
Speaker:they're arming America anyway.
Speaker:They've, they've run out of cards that they would normally
Speaker:play in this situation.
Speaker:It's game over.
Speaker:I think just a matter of watching it all happen.
Speaker:Anyway.
Speaker:That was interesting.
Speaker:The big US company, we can't decouple.
Speaker:Well, they can, but it would be too expensive.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Because everyone was happy to rush everything overseas to a cheap provider.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And all of these companies all have little factories doted all over America.
Speaker:And, They basically threatened the local congressman and say, well, if you don't
Speaker:do the right thing, I'm just gonna pull my factory out and put it somewhere else.
Speaker:I'm gonna blame you so you better do the right thing.
Speaker:And so in lots of parts of America, the only viable business is an arm
Speaker:manufacturing business that's been clonked there because of an arrangement
Speaker:between them and a local, politician.
Speaker:Well, Musk moved to Tesla to Texas, from California.
Speaker:There were a couple of others that did that because they didn't like the way that
Speaker:California was being run, that, you know, poor people were actually being helped.
Speaker:Whereas Texas was every man for himself.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Tesla's being made in China as well?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Huge Tesla factory there.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Also, final topic, another quick one.
Speaker:Affirmative action in USA University.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So there recently, in the last week was two rulings on, related cases by the Chief
Speaker:Justice John Roberts in the Supreme Court, which basically are ending affirmative
Speaker:action in the US as it's currently known.
Speaker:So there was two cases students for fair admissions versus, basically Harvard
Speaker:College and students for fair admissions versus the University of North Carolina.
Speaker:Both argued the use of race in college.
Speaker:Admissions should end, but for slightly different reasons.
Speaker:In the Harvard case, the plaintiffs claimed that the admissions
Speaker:practices of Harvard discriminated against Asian American applicants.
Speaker:It did by placing a cap on the number of admitted, and we have talked about this in
Speaker:the past several times, the, that if you just based it on a, a color blind score.
Speaker:That, Asians were disproportionately represented.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And basically Harvard didn't want a campus full of Asians and then penalized
Speaker:Asians in its admission process to mm-hmm.
Speaker:Deduct points, oh, you're of Asian race, we're gonna take points off
Speaker:and make it harder for you to enter.
Speaker:And that process has been deemed, unacceptable by the Supreme Court.
Speaker:And, I, in the North Carolina case, the plaintiffs asked the court to rule
Speaker:that universities can't use race as a factor in college admissions and
Speaker:must use a race neutral approach.
Speaker:So, the Supreme Court found that the practices of both colleges
Speaker:violated the equal protection clause in the 14th Amendment.
Speaker:They quickly looked at the 14th amendment, and the last part of it
Speaker:says, nor shall any state deny to any person within its jurisdiction
Speaker:the equal protection of the laws.
Speaker:So that was the wording that Harvard, for example, was falling foul of.
Speaker:Now there is a, mm-hmm.
Speaker:Something called legacy admissions.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So if one of your parents went to the college, you are automatically
Speaker:deemed eligible to get in.
Speaker:And historically these were white only colleges.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And they're saying that of the legacy admissions, the vast
Speaker:majority of them are white.
Speaker:So are the legacy admissions now ruled invalid as well?
Speaker:No, of course not Really?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:That would be denying equal protection for No, no.
Speaker:The non legacy people, Correct, but it's not based on color, it's based on
Speaker:whether or not your parents went and that which historically was based on color.
Speaker:Yes, it was.
Speaker:Historically, white people got into the college.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:There wouldn't be too many black kids relying on black
Speaker:parents having attended half.
Speaker:No, exactly.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So I think if you stroke down one, you have to stroke down the other.
Speaker:You would've thought that it was unequal.
Speaker:But, how we going?
Speaker:So now I, it's one of those things.
Speaker:Now I heard this, what's the, the West Wing?
Speaker:He was in there though.
Speaker:I was watching that.
Speaker:And there was a British, there was a British diplomat and that sort of
Speaker:stuff who was lecturing the Americans.
Speaker:And he said, look, your, your original sin was slavery.
Speaker:Our original sin was your, was Ireland.
Speaker:And he was just talking in both those terms and he said, now you
Speaker:are overcoming your original sin.
Speaker:We're still overcoming our original sin.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Anyway, that was just something by the by.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Just, back to this decision in America, the decision might actually be popular,
Speaker:a poll designed to capture public opinion on major Supreme Court decisions.
Speaker:This term found the strong majority of Americans agree 74%, sorry, that
Speaker:public 74% and private 69% colleges and universities should not be able to use
Speaker:race as a factor in college admissions.
Speaker:So the Supreme Court is in line with public opinion, when they,
Speaker:when they adjust the polling by, questions that remind respondents
Speaker:of the goal of affirmative action.
Speaker:To increase the numbers of blacks, Hispanic and other unrepresented
Speaker:students on elite campuses, it tends to generate more support.
Speaker:But people don't think minority groups should be given special references.
Speaker:And guess what?
Speaker:I've got a little graph for that one.
Speaker:I think a bit luck.
Speaker:Here it is.
Speaker:So half of US adults, disapprove of selective colleges can string race and
Speaker:ethnicity and admissions while a third approve and a fair number of not sures.
Speaker:So a total is 50 disapprove of considering race and ethnicity.
Speaker:33% approve and 16% not sure.
Speaker:Now, when you break that up, guess what, amongst black, adults, 47% in favor of.
Speaker:Taking race into account, 29% against Hispanic.
Speaker:It's split 39.
Speaker:39.
Speaker:In the Hispanic community where this law would actually favor them, presumably.
Speaker:39 4 39 against Asians.
Speaker:Guess what?
Speaker:They've seen what's happened in Harvard and they don't like it.
Speaker:52% are against factoring in race and only 37% are in favor.
Speaker:And then of course, whites at 57, in 29.
Speaker:And guess how that breaks down politically?
Speaker:Well, if you're a Republican, 74% are against special privileges for ethnic
Speaker:groups in university admissions and as opposed to Republicans or leaning, sorry,
Speaker:Democrats or leaning Democrats, 29%.
Speaker:So Republicans, 74 Democrats 29.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:Significant overall number of people kind of agreeing with the, with
Speaker:the Supreme Court, with the way that's panned out by looks of it.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:What do you think, dear this now it's one of those things here in Australia,
Speaker:we don't really have a, a hell of a lot of racial bias going on here.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Like, we do have a, relatively, different colored face and that
Speaker:sort of stuff around the country.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:You know, it's just one of those things, you know, I
Speaker:thought about it just recently.
Speaker:I went into a shop and that sort of stuff, and there was a whole
Speaker:group of people in front of me.
Speaker:I was the only white fella, so, you know.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:You know, it's just, where was that?
Speaker:It was up in Rocky.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I was the only white fella I, the only white fella going in the shop.
Speaker:My only experience of discrimination in the university sector would be my
Speaker:son Leon, who did very well at high school and was school vice captain.
Speaker:He got a full scholarship at Q U t and a friend of mine who works in Q U
Speaker:t said a factor in his favor would've been that he was from a, a, a public
Speaker:high school and that they would actually take that into account his results and
Speaker:his achievements and him coming from a, the gap high school as opposed to
Speaker:a private school would've been in his favor as one of the considerations
Speaker:they use when handing out scholarships.
Speaker:Scholarships.
Speaker:Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So anyway, that's little anecdote there.
Speaker:I was gonna say, I think the hex is probably disproportionately.
Speaker:A burden on the poor.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:in theory you don't need a wealthy parent because you can just take the loan.
Speaker:Well, exactly.
Speaker:But, but the loan can be so big that you could be discouraged from
Speaker:doing it in the first place if you really thought about it hard.
Speaker:And, and also, you know, you're shackling yourself with debt, whereas a rich kid
Speaker:effectively doesn't go, doesn't come outta university with that debt potentially.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:If that's assuming your parents are prepared to pay it.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And not all mine weren't.
Speaker:So, you know, I up with the he debt.
Speaker:Yeah, but your, he debt is probably considerably less.
Speaker:Oh.
Speaker:It's a considerably less compared to what they're charging now.
Speaker:It was, it was considerably less, you know.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And I paid it off relatively quickly.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Final topic, dear listener, before we finish Calvary Hospital in the A c t Joe,
Speaker:we've had this on the agenda kind of.
Speaker:For a little while waiting for the right moment moment.
Speaker:We've not already talked about it.
Speaker:No, I don't think we have.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:It got bounced off and on and back on.
Speaker:And anyway, I found an article from Crikey, which was interesting
Speaker:about Calvary Hospital.
Speaker:So basically the A c T government decided to forcibly acquire the
Speaker:Catholic owned Alary hospital.
Speaker:I go on, no, not what I understand.
Speaker:My understanding was it was an c t owned hospital that was
Speaker:outsourced to the Catholics to run.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And they have compulsory purchased the leaseback, then the leaseback.
Speaker:So rather than the ownership, it was the leaseback.
Speaker:Correct.
Speaker:That, that's probably correct, yes.
Speaker:That that's a more accurate description where they may not have owned the.
Speaker:But then all property, all property in the a c t is leased.
Speaker:Oh, that's true.
Speaker:Correct.
Speaker:But my understanding was that this was a 25 year lease.
Speaker:This was an outsourcing?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:They had some sort of rights to run a hospital.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Which the government said, we don't care what you want, we're taking it off you.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:The background is that it was being run by a group called The Little
Speaker:Company of Mary's Sisters, L c M.
Speaker:And there was an a c t audited General's Performance Audit Report in 2008.
Speaker:And as a result of that, both the little company of Mary's sisters and the A c T
Speaker:government agreed that the, the Mary's sisters should get out of this hospital.
Speaker:And instead, they could operate a recently opened Canberra Hospice
Speaker:and and there would be 68 million in compensation as part of the deal.
Speaker:Unfortunately, the a c t public would not agree to the deal somehow.
Speaker:I dunno how that came about.
Speaker:And the Vatican hearing about it said, we don't wanna lose a
Speaker:hospital that we're operating.
Speaker:So they basically took control of, of that asset and said, well, it
Speaker:doesn't actually belong to the little company of Mary's sisters anymore.
Speaker:It's now a, a Vatican asset and we don't agree with any of this.
Speaker:if you like resumption of the hospital and.
Speaker:In any event, it looks like the a c t, is going ahead with the
Speaker:forcible recovery of the hospital and the compensation will be paid.
Speaker:And the, the sort of the right of the article was saying the really the little
Speaker:sort of company of Mary's sisters this, sort of modern nuns who are interested
Speaker:in healthcare, it's not suitable for them to run a proper hospital that
Speaker:encompasses all of hospital services and for the sort of in including abortions.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And for the sort of stuff that they would be interested in and
Speaker:would want to do, they should be involved in sort of end of life care.
Speaker:For people who don't wanna take voluntary assisted dying, that's
Speaker:where their interest would be and that they would be suited to and.
Speaker:That's where they wanted to end up and where the government wanted to end up.
Speaker:But the Vatican stepping in, taking control of the hospital
Speaker:and saying, no, all deals are off.
Speaker:Sorry, you're saying the Vatican trying to run people's lives.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:That sounds outta character for them.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So that was the sort of the flavor of the article, if you like, about
Speaker:what's happened in that hospital.
Speaker:So look, the little, company of Mary's sisters might end up acquiring a little
Speaker:hospice somewhere and getting a big compensation payment or a Catholic
Speaker:church might end up getting a big compensation payment more likely.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So that's a bit of a messy one, but an interesting one nonetheless.
Speaker:And maybe in the future there'll be a whole range of hospitals that will be
Speaker:acquired by governments as they say, we cannot, what the hell are we doing,
Speaker:having religions running our hospitals?
Speaker:These are essential services and schools and care services and retirement
Speaker:villages and, yes, we can only hope Joe.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Well this must have already happened because there was a picture on, Facebook
Speaker:that was put on the, by the Satanic or there was a picture of a crane
Speaker:removing the cross from the whole thing.
Speaker:I dunno what that one was.
Speaker:Anyway, dunno.
Speaker:Yeah, right.
Speaker:That's enough.
Speaker:That's all the topics I'm gonna get through.
Speaker:8 38, 8 years down.
Speaker:I dunno how many more to go.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:What else are we gonna do on a Tuesday night?
Speaker:Just a bunch of old white men.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Shouting, getting the world, getting older every year.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'm starting to feel old actually.
Speaker:So anyway.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We talked about our medical ailments before the show.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We've got that out the way.
Speaker:Anyway, we'll be back next week with some more topics of some sort.
Speaker:Stay tuned.
Speaker:Join us then we'll be back then.
Speaker:We'll talk to you later.
Speaker:Bye for now, and it's a good night from me and it's a good night from him.
