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Episode 388 - David Van fallout and the USA's Forgotten Invasions

In this episode we discuss:

(00:00) 388

(00:41) Introduction

(03:43) Dying With Dignity

(04:52) The Voice

(05:39) The Greens

(22:09) David Van

(31:44) Nicole Werner

(37:37) Geoffrey Sachs on NYT

(40:20) AUKUS

(42:18) Right Wing Brains

(47:00) Reality Show Contestant

(49:03) Taiwan

(51:12) Mexico

(56:29) Trump

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Suburban Eastern Australia.

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An environment that has over time evolved some extraordinarily

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unique groups of homo sapiens.

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But today we observe a small tribe akin to a group of meka that gather together

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atop a small mound to watch question and discuss the current events of their city,

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their country, and their world at large.

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Let's listen keenly and observe this group fondly known as the

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Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.

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Yes, the Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove we're back again episode 388.

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There's people already in the chat room.

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Watley is in the chat room.

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He was making comments before we even started.

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This podcast, which shocked us all.

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He was that excited to be there.

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Yes, apparently so.

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Yes.

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That's first Watley.

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We didn't know that that was actually possible to comment

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before we even started.

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So there you go.

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Good to see.

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Good to see you there.

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Yes, episode 388.

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I'm Trevor, aka the Iron.

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Fist with me as always, Scott the Velvet.

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Glove.

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Good day.

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Trevor.

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Good day.

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Joe Goodday listeners.

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How are you all?

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We're all well and Joe, the tech guy is here evening all.

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Yes.

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So if you are in the chat room, say hello.

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If you listen to this podcast, you hear all these references to

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the chat room, like at least once on a Tuesday night at seven 30.

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Hop on and and join in and just experience the excitement of a live podcast.

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We're on tightrope, there's no net below us and we just Okay.

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Come and wing.

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He a moderate amount of abuse at us.

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Yeah.

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Throw verbal rocks at, throw verbal rocks at Trevor when

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he is defending the Russians.

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Yes.

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And the Chinese and the greens and other people like that.

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So, well, what are we gonna talk about tonight?

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Actually added a few topics that I hadn't intended to deal with at the last minute.

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So Scott has been busy hasn't had a chance to read much, but he's gonna

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wing it and we'll see how we go.

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So we're, we should briefly mention that the voice got through the Senate

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in terms of the decision to hold.

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We'll go for a refer referendum.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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So we'll talk briefly about that.

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We've got the greens who have won concessions from labor, but not

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enough, and have decided they're just gonna block the whole rock show.

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So we'll talk about whether that's acceptable behavior on

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their part, good strategy or not.

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We'll get to that.

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We've got Brittany Higgins fallout with David Van, and turns out he's

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a bit of a grouper according to various females in the Parliament.

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And a bit more about propaganda and western media.

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I, I found some stuff because there wasn't a lot.

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I was looking through my old notes.

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I've got this sort of miscellaneous section and I dragged out a couple

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of things that I'd had in there for just such a moment as this.

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And one was about neuroscience, looking at left and right brain,

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well left and right wingers, and the difference in their brains.

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Apparently we are hardwired to some extent interesting.

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And maybe we'll get onto the Mexican American war.

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See how we go just for something different.

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So, before we get onto long time ago, have they paid for the wool yet?

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Well, happy to have the law keeping those Americans out.

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It's probably what's, they're happy to have it.

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Okay, before we get into other things, just briefly, I get emails from Dying

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with Dignity and the latest email and a very interesting link to a new resource

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documenting the first 100 days of voluntary assisted dying in Queensland.

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And it features podcast interviews and articles of patients and families who've

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accessed a voluntary assisted dying through Brisbane's Health Metro North.

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And this is a site hosted by Q U T.

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Anyway, the stories are very powerful.

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I just read one of them and nearly teared up.

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And definitely if you're interested in that topic there'll be a link in the show

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notes and otherwise just go and Dying With Dignity website, wherever that is.

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I'm sure there'll be a link there.

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And really moving stories of what people are experiencing

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as they access the service.

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Recommend that for you?

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I haven't listened to it yet.

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I've got that on my list to listen to.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know, cuz I received the same email.

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You do.

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Yeah.

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So, they're good.

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They don't bombard you with stuff, but the stuff they send you is good.

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So, yeah.

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Okay.

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The voice, yes, it's passed through the Senate, not unexpectedly.

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So there will be a referendum and so yes, there will be an episode where it's a

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deep dive into all of the pros and cons.

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I've been keeping a list, checking it twice of all the parts I need to cover.

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I'm getting more stuff from Paul, from Canberra.

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He keeps sending me links and things that I have to read and

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address as part of all this.

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So it's, we'll eventually get round to it.

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You're gonna have to get some John Farnam in for that episode.

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Yes.

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For the voice.

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Mm-hmm.

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So yes, that's on the agenda in the not too distant future.

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That'll be a long episode.

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See how that goes.

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Alright.

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First substantive one, the greens.

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Have they gone too far because they've won concessions?

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Basically we had this situation where labor had arranged to have

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a fund and the earnings from that fund would be used towards housing.

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And the green said not enough.

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And so the labor party said, okay, well here's I think 2

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billion for the first year.

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And some sort of emergency funding.

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And the green said Great.

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And later said, okay, how about passing the bill?

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And the green said, what about renters and a cap on, or a freeze on rent increases?

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And the greens have said they're not gonna pass.

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The bills that would provide that funding that we've just talked about, unless

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labor passes laws regarding rent freezes.

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Scott, it sounds a bit like where we were with, with cap sort of carbon cap and

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trade and carbon pricing and, and Yeah.

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But it just wasn't good enough for the, what do you think, Scott?

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Well, I think inkling as to how you think about this.

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The greens have made the perfect, the enemy of the good.

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Now, I think what the, what the labor government has actually

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proposed is good, but the greens want something better than good.

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They want perfect.

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So they have, they've made the enemy of the good, the perfect, so that is a.

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That's how it boils down to a nutshell with me.

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Do I actually, am I actually opposed to what the Greens actually want?

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Well, I'm not exactly certain of that because I have been reading differing

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opinions on the whole thing regarding rental freezers and that type of thing.

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The greens have perfectly right.

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The, there wasn't a problem, freezing rent and that sort of stuff when you had

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the covid pandemic raping the country.

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So I understand where they're coming from, but now that everything is returning

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to normal, including interest rates and all that type of thing, I am not sure

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that it's the right time to freeze rents and that type of thing, because I just

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think that with interest rates going up, mortgage repayments are going up.

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Interest being charged by the banks are going up and yet they're gonna hold a gun

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to my head and say, well Scott, you can't have a rental increase on your property.

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Probably makes it unattractive for people to buy.

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Exactly.

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Buy investment properties.

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Exactly.

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Is that a bad thing?

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If people suddenly get scared off and go, Hmm can't make money, I'm gonna sell it.

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Wouldn't that open up housing for people who don't see it as an investment?

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Well, what, what that, what that will do is that will drive

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down the price of housing.

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Which if you don't own anything, that sounds like a great idea to someone

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like me that has got property and someone like you that has got property.

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If you were to watch that property value fall and that sort of stuff,

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you're not going to feel as wealthy as you once did, which is going to

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restrict the amount of money you can spend and that type of thing.

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So that is a dangerous position for us to go into.

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And I guess the greens are calculating that the.

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The people sort of 40 years and younger.

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Exactly.

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Well, well the renters, I guess they're calculating the renters,

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the people who haven't bought yet.

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The renters who are their core voter, they're core demographic.

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Yes.

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And I agree, and I understand that's why they're going, that's why they're going

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down this road and that type of thing is they're trying to, they're trying

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to paint, me and other property owners is Monopoly man, Barrons and that sort

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of stuff that are out there to try and make an absolute fortune out of it.

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Yeah.

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Which is kinda like the slumlord of regional Queensland that

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sort of, I own one place up in Mackay that is currently rented.

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I am currently renting down here in Rockhampton and I own a, I

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own a place in, except you do not have to justify yourself to me.

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You are a generous soul.

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You don't have to justify yourself to me.

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Yeah, I know.

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It's one of those things like I actually, I do actually feel bad for people that

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haven't been able to buy anything.

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Yeah.

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Because I bought my house at the right time.

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I sold it at the absolute top of the market for an obscene amount of money.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's I don't understand.

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I, I don't understand.

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No, what am I trying to say?

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You cannot repeat what I've done because I was very fortunate

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when I bought and when I sold.

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Mm-hmm.

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Now that doesn't mean that everyone that's got my color hair and

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that type of thing is going to be in exactly the same situation.

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There are some people that made some absolute disastrous decisions

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and that type of thing at the same time that I made what turned

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out to be a very good decision.

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So, you know, I suppose I was very lucky with that house.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's very difficult to wind these things back.

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Oh, it is.

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And do it.

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Fairly.

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And one of the things, you know, if you could actually engineer this, one of

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the things I would like to see happen is that rental prices hit a plateau.

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And, and that if they end up, if you end up with housing prices hitting a

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plateau and they remain there for a number of years, that wouldn't be too bad.

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Yeah.

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That's what we need is basically, rather than things dropping.

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Yeah.

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Just have to be held at zero.

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Held at zero, zero growth a long time.

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Very minus very minor growth per year, you know?

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Yes.

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And over time investors will bail because they have better returns elsewhere.

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Yet homeowners won't be crushed if you like, and can buy

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and sell in the same market.

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Cause if it's your own home, then.

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If you're buying and selling at the same time, it's, you're okay.

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And, and, and surely this is neutral to you, Scott.

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Mm-hmm.

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Because if there's a rental freeze or decrease as a renter,

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you are gonna profit off that.

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Even though your investment property, you, so you only own one property?

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No, I own two rental properties.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah, I was gonna say, if you own only own the one, then you are no worse off.

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No, that's right.

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Now, you know, it's, the place in Mackay is gonna become my house

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again when I move back up there.

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But it's just one of those things that, the moment it's rented out.

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So that's the.

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Main frontline thing I have on the whole rental market because that's

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rented out through a real estate agent and that type of thing.

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The other one is through the Defense Housing Association, which is the army is

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my tenant, and the Army does everything.

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So it's one of those things.

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Now I don't, hang on.

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Hang, hang on, hang on a second.

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Mm-hmm.

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You're not only the Queensland Regional Slum Board, you're a provider for

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the military industrial complex, Scott, God, god sake, you knew that

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I had rented the, you knew that I had bought a rental probably that

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was gonna be rented by the dha.

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I know.

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Just having fun.

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Just Yeah, I know.

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You're just having fun.

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But one of these days, Trevor, it's all gonna bite you in the ass.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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Ah, let's let's get some, but I won't be a regional slum lord for very much

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longer because you know, well, The longest I'm gonna be a regional slum,

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Lord is until February of next year.

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Yeah.

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I didn't even coin that phrase.

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That was your partner.

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That was that.

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I came up with that.

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That was thing Brian came up with you in the regional, regional slum.

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Lord, I think that's it's said as a term of endearment.

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Yes, I know that.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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If I thought you were serious, I'd fly down there and beat the

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chair here, but no, you're not.

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So here's here's what friendly Jordy's had to say about it.

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I'll play a little bit of this.

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The greens are kicking up a stink.

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That labor aren't just making one-off investments in housing.

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Oh wait, sorry.

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Labor are doing that as petty wag noted in the Senate.

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The bill the Greens are blocking also includes 2 billion in financing support

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for social and affordable rental homes.

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350 million to build a further 10,000 affordable homes through the housing

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accord, allowing the National Housing and infrastructure facility to invest in

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social and affordable housing, opening up a potential 575 million in funding a 15%

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increase in Commonwealth Rent assistance.

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The largest increase in over 30 years.

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The fund is a bit like a Sovereign Wealth fund.

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10.

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Billion dollars is invested.

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Then the returns of the fund is spent on building social and affordable

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housing is set to build 30,000 homes over the next five years.

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For their first seven years in office, the coalition were building less

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than 1,100 new dwellings a year.

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Labor's new fund can build up to 6,000 new dwellings a year.

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That is a massive increase.

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The fund is pretty clever because it's designed to ingrain an ongoing

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source of funding for social housing that sustains itself even when the

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liberals are in office, as it's operating independently of the budget.

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Meaning that if the fund passes, it's designed to become a sustained source of

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housing funding that the liberals will have little or no incentive to destroy.

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Look at the, that was something I hadn't recognized as a concept from the fund

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was that it will work when, you know, labor leaves power and the libs are

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in, there's this fund that's separate from government in a sense, generating

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money, and of course the liberals could.

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We'll find a way to staff not that money.

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Yes.

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They could take that fund and just roll it into some other sovereign

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wealth fund defense, I guess.

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Yeah.

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Yes, they could.

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But it is an argument for it that you've created a fund that in theory

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provides money for something that you want even when you're in opposition.

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Well, that was a sort of part of it that I hadn't thought about before,

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so that was an interesting part of it.

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So, let me just, let's get onto Max and what he has to say to

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this is him in Parliament talking about the Greens position.

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I've been a renter my entire adult life.

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I know what it's like to cop an unfair rent increase.

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I know what it's like to ask for basic repairs and get evicted as a result.

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And I know what it's like to lose a home you thought you could live in for years.

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But frankly, I've had it easy and there are millions of

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renters out there right now.

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One rent increase away from eviction or financial stress.

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For the pensioner who knows that they are one rent increase

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away from living on the streets.

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For the family who know that as a result of those rent increases,

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they'll have to pull their kid out of the local school because they can't

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afford to live in the local area.

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Those are the people whose lives are being destroyed right now because the

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Labor Party is so committed to Enshrining unlimited rent increases in this country

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where Australia is a wealthy country, Australia is a country that is meant

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to pride itself on giving everyone the basics they need to live a good life.

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And that is why the greens are fighting so hard.

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It was the greens who stood up for months being accused by the

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labor party of standing in the way.

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And actually what we did was secure 2 billion in funding for social housing.

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And now we are going to use that power to make sure those renters out there are

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able to live in dignity and know that there are limits on rent increases, a

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freeze on rent increases that allow them to go and live a good life authorized by

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Jay McCall, Australian Greens Canberra.

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So anyway, I guess the point is that, that the, the bill that's there

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is about providing housing supply with the assumption and hope that

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it will then lead to rent relief.

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It's one of those things, if you've got people out of the private rental market

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into government subsidized housing mm-hmm.

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Then that's going to reduce the demand for private rentals,

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which leads to a fall in rental.

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Mm-hmm.

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But I guess his argument is, well, that's a bill for home ownership.

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We need one for renters that's direct.

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And now, because that's gonna take a long time, I think that's a good

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argument to percolate through the system, to buy, to build and to add to

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the supply, and then to hope that, that then percolate through to a rent relief.

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Yeah.

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But what were the numbers?

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There was 1100 a year that was being spent under by the Torries.

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Yeah.

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They're talking about possibly 5,000, five or 6,000 being spent

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being built by the labor government.

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Yeah.

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Now that is five or six times the amount of that is five or six

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times the amount of expenditure that happened under the Torries.

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Mm-hmm.

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Now that is an incredible increase in the in the in the ranks of affordable housing.

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Mm-hmm.

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Now, I don't think that they're actually talking about this.

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I don't think they're actually building houses to sell to people

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cheaply or anything like that.

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They're building them to rent them out to people cheaply.

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Mm.

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Mm.

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I think tactically the, like the greens are getting pounded

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on Twitter, for example.

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Yeah.

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And they're just outweighed by the number of Labor party mps and

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trade unionists and others who are just, just bagging the greens.

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There's a lot of anti-green sentiment in there.

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Probably the smart move politically would've been to say,

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okay, we'll vote for the bill.

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We tried renters, we really, really tried.

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Next a election, you need to vote for us so we've got more power so

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we can have a better crack at it.

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And, and just sort of, I think that might have been politically

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the smarter thing to do, but you know, who knows how it all pan out?

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I mean, by sticking to their guns, they did get an extra 2 billion.

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Which labor didn't want to do and they were forced to buy the greens sticking to

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their guns, so you gotta hand it to 'em.

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But yeah, if they canceled the submarines or even the phase three tax cuts, yes.

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Yeah.

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If, if they canceled, if they canceled the phase three, the stage three tax

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cuts, then they would have a hell of a lot more money that they could actually

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spend on social housing if they wanted to.

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Mm-hmm.

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So anyway, it's an interesting politics and how the greens

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get their message out there.

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In the face of a barrage of negative press from labor will be

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interesting to see in the chat room.

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What the question is, sorry.

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Yes.

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If we build 6,000 new houses a year mm-hmm.

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What's to stop the LMP when they get into power?

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Doing a Maggie on us and selling it all off.

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Yes, that's right.

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Well, that, that could happen.

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There is no doubt about that.

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And that's one of the reasons that that's one of the reasons why they've

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actually tried to enshrine the voice to Parliament in the Constitution because

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they know that they, they, they can't tear it down the way they did with atsic.

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Mm-hmm.

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So it's, that's also another reason, probably why they've set up this sovereign

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wealth fund and all that type of thing because they, they realized that the

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Tories would have their, would have their would try and be, we'd be trying

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to sell it and that sort of stuff.

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They'd want the money themselves.

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So they've actually decided, well, we lock it up this way, then they can't touch it.

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Mm-hmm.

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In the chat room, we've still got Watley there, event Horizon, and Tanya and

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John's in there as well in the chat room.

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Say hello.

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Even if you don't wanna make any comment, just so that we know you're

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there and you're alive and kicking.

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Right.

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So yeah, that's the main thing to talk about with the Greens.

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I think you've heard both sides of the argument.

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I personally think the friendly Jordy's hit the nail on the head myself.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know, they, they certainly made it very clear as to what

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was actually being planned.

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And you know what though?

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He didn't give any credit to the Greens for the extra 2 billion,

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but they're, no, he didn't.

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That's right.

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And the Greens did, actually, did actually extract that from the local party.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know, I've got no doubt about that.

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Mm-hmm.

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So he didn't give all, all of both sides of the story?

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I don't think so.

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He sort of hit half a nail on the head.

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Get sideways a little bit.

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Fair enough?

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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Right.

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Brittany Higgins fallout during the week, so what we had was the

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opposition has been hounding Katie, Katie Gallagher, about what she knew

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and didn't know about Britney Higgins and what she said at a Senate estimates

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committee and what that meant, and whether she misled the committee.

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And so they're trying to make some sort of headway politically by attacking

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Katie Gallagher and in parliament.

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David Van got to his feet and started to add to the pylon, and Lydia

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Thorpe couldn't take it anymore, rose to her feet, and accused accused.

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David van of inappropriate sexual on harassment towards her harassment.

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Yes.

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And that was all just, you know, of course, through the airwaves.

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And she subsequently the next day withdrew it on a technicality because

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technically she shouldn't have done it that way in that format in the parliament.

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But she said the substance of what she said was true, the liberal Peter Dutton.

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And that was sort of a bit silent and not really willing to accept Lydia

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Thorpe's version until pretty soon.

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Amanda Stoker, former senator.

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And now was she liberal or national?

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Yeah, she was a liberal.

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Oh, well she's from the L N P in Queensland.

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I couldn't tell you.

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Yes.

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She was a liberal on national.

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Yes.

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Came out and said that she had been groped by him.

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Mm.

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And.

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So that was it.

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Then the effort by the liberals to try and make political mileage out of

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this completely backfired, and they then said to Dutton, had to say to

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David Van, you're outta the party.

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And some people stupidly thought the guy would resign from Parliament,

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but he's just gonna sit on the cross benches and collect his salary,

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gonna go, he's gonna go anywhere.

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He's gonna go to one notion, he'll just collect his salary and do whatever

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he, well, apparently, apparently they've gotta sit him next to Lydia.

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The haw actually in the Senate.

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Surely not.

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Well, apparently that's what they're going to do.

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Surely not.

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Yeah.

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Anyway.

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Really, this liberal L n p political party is just so full of shitty people.

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As soon as they pop their head over the parapet and you take a

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look at them, you go, oh my God.

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Just

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the caliber of people that they've got there.

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Horrendous.

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And you know the whole thing about the text messages, which

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was what kicked this off?

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Yes.

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And what a surprise, she didn't wanna hand over her phone because she was

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worried that it would be used against her.

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Yes.

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And what a surprise, the stuff that was given in confidentiality to the police has

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been leaked and has been used against her.

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Yes.

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And essentially the text messages, there were some text

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messages to Katie Gallagher.

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Mm-hmm Katie Gallagher had said in a senate estimates, nobody on

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our side knew anything about this.

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And what she was referring to was this being Brittany Higgins about to drop a

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bombshell on the whole bunch of them.

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Not that they didn't know anything at all because she had received text messages.

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So the context was we didn't know she was gonna drop this shit

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bomb on you guys the way she did.

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Not that we didn't know anything, but we just sat on it because that was up

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to her to do that if she wanted to.

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And that's what they're trying to beat up as inappropriate

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behavior by the Labor Party.

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We've got a liberal staffers allegedly harassing other liberal staffers

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at liberal party events and somehow the liberals are trying to make

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this the fault of the Labor party.

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Mm-hmm.

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They're insane.

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They should have just pulled their heads in and hoped it would all blow

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over to actually keep badgering on.

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With that was just inviting.

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The sort of thing that just happened to this, this David Van character.

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They're stupid.

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I don't think there's any doubt about that.

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They are stupid.

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It, it sounds like there needs to be an office of professional

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responsibility or whatever.

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Professional conduct.

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Yeah.

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That, that you can go to anonymously and lodge your complaints against another

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member of parliament have it investigated.

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Yes.

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They just need a, they just need a brain transplant.

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There's moral, their moral compass is so out of whack, these guys.

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It's, it's just mind boggling how bad the liberal party representation is.

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The sort of people that they've got there.

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It's horrendous.

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So, so, but it's all right.

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They're all Christians.

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Yes.

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That's, well, no coincidence is it.

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So I, anyway What we've got here is, let me just play a little bit of this

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is David Spears, I think on insiders.

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So the fucking abc, just where the smoke their fire, oh, labor.

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Liberals are talking about Katie Gallagher.

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Mud's been thrown.

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Some, some of it must stick, you know, it looks like there's an issue

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with what she's done without actually examining what's happened and, and

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just refusing to repeat the bullshit that the liberals have come out with.

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But they amplify it, pass it on, treat it with respect that it doesn't deserve.

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So here's a little bit of David Spears.

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Still defend the strategy of asking these questions.

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They say, look, we've established that Katie Gallagher mislead Parliament.

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We've established that labor wasn't necessarily pure hearted, entirely

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in in the way it pursued the Morrison government over the Britney

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Higgins allegations back then.

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But look, along the way, yes, they've dragged up a lot of stuff, and, and

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some liberals will privately agree this has not been necessarily a good idea.

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It's, it's left them accused as well of looking like they're, they're

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weaponizing an issue in particular, weaponizing the leaked text

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messages of an alleged rape victim.

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So, look, no one's come out of this a winner, that's for sure.

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And you know, as Lydia Thorpe, it's just bullshit to say, no

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one's come outta this winner.

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Nothing that Katie Gallagher did was wrong.

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It's just labor's fine in terms of their involvement in this whole fiasco.

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And to somehow say, ah, they're all.

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To somehow suggest that the opposition have proved their allegations.

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Mm-hmm.

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And that, that somehow they're all at fault in some way.

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What a messy bunch.

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All of them are pathetic.

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Just, there we go.

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That's the abc.

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Well, I think the shovel had it right, didn't they?

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What was there one there?

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What did they say?

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It's in your email.

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Yeah.

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Well, I don't have it to hand.

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Oh, you did?

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What did the shovel say?

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Yes.

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In a fiery interview this morning, opposition leader Peter Dutton says it's

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incumbent on the Labor Party to explain why liberal party Senator David Vann

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allegedly squeezed the bottom of his liberal party colleague Amanda Stoker,

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at a liberal party social event in 2020.

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That's right.

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They haven't yet got round to blaming labor for David Vann's conduct, but.

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It'll happen.

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Absolutely will.

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And when they do, David Spears will say, oh, you know, mud thrown on both sides.

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They're all, both equally as terrible.

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And you might say it's been been a bit of a bad week for the liberals,

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but not a great week for labor either.

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Like, just terrible coverage.

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Terrible.

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So, yeah, there we go.

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That's that whole, sorry, saga.

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And oh yeah, q and a.

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So this is a tweet from q and a in the lead up to their latest episode.

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The PM is facing questions about transparency and whether one of his

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ministers misled Parliament as the liberal party says it's planning to

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continue putting labor under pressure.

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Anybody not really paying attention to this mm-hmm.

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Would just think shit, labor's done some stuff and the liberals

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are on top of them and Wow.

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That's interesting.

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I'll repeat that again.

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On q and A, the PM is facing questions.

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What about transparency and whether one of his ministers misled Parliament as

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the liberal party says it's planning to continue putting labor under pressure?

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What's your question?

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My question is, when are the LMP gonna do something about the absolutely shitty

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behavior of their employees in Parliament?

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When are they gonna just cancel q and a and give us reruns of

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faulty towers or something?

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Something?

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No, we could have the reruns of Q and A when Christopher Hitchens was on.

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Yeah, we could do that.

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Ah, now in Victoria, Bromwyn's not in the chat room, is she?

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But I haven't seen her.

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No.

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So this came thanks to John, Simmons, who is in the chat room.

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Thank you John for this this one.

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So.

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They've pre-selected a lady called Nicole Werner to be in the Victorian Senate.

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This is for the Liberal party, and actually, no, it must be for

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an electorate rather than for the Senate or for their upper house.

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So this is Victorian liberal party who of course had been smashed

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by dictator Dan in recent, recent times and not so recent times.

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And guess what?

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Nicole is a youth pastor from Planet Shakers Pentecostal Church.

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Last time she ran in Box Hill, there was an eight 8.9% drop

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in the liberal party vote.

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So she's now pre-selected by the liberals to run in the seat of Warren Dite.

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So, so the liberal party in Victoria.

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I've now pre-selected a Pentecostal Happy clapper.

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Happy clapper.

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And now there's a thing called Channel six News run by this kid Leonardo Puglisi.

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And he had on his website that Victorian liberals are worried the

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party will lose that by-election despite holding the seat since 1988.

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So it was a hotly contested pre-selection and a liberal source has told six

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news that they and lots of other party members believe the party will lose.

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Six News has been told there is a large amount of Pentecostals seen at today's

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pre-selection voting in support of her leaving non Pentecostals gray faced.

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I am not surprised.

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In other religious news, did you hear about the Muslim Majority

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Council in some town in the usa?

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No.

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It was celebrated as, you know, what, what a diverse city we are.

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This is great.

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We now have a Muslim Majority Council.

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They ha they, they have banned the rainbow flag being flown on city hall because the

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majority of their constituents want that.

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And we do what the majority wants.

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Yeah, of course.

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Yes.

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Yeah, no, I wasn't aware of that.

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But just you probably are wondering what Nicole Werner is like.

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I'll just give you a bit of a, a bit of a clip from her.

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Suffering from a tyrant's socialist agenda that insists on teaching our kids

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won't crack in our education system.

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Not to mention living under Ator Dances Victoria over the past two years with

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unwarranted nighttime curfews be con.

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Yeah, I know.

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That's enough.

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So the minute I hear somebody complaining about woke woke, I immediately know

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they're a reader of the Australian, like I'm not a fan of wokeness and

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the unwarranted nighttime curfews.

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Yes.

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So she was complaining that she couldn't get out and spread covid

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during the biggest pandemic we've had.

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Well, she actually, later in that clip complains that she

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wasn't allowed to worship.

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Importantly, she, she could worship it.

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It says in the Bible, go into your cupboard and pray.

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It does.

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She didn't read that bit, obviously.

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Yeah.

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So it's a, it's a community thing.

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If you're not worshiping a community, then you're just not doing it.

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Uh mm.

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According to her.

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So if you're not seen to be worshiping.

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Yeah.

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And I mean, dictated damn won an election.

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Yes.

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Just recently the people voted and said, yeah, we were fine with all that.

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The voter fraud.

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Come on.

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That's right.

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So there were people seen driving up with lots of ballot

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papers and the mail-in vote.

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Well, so if you're gonna run against him, my advice to anybody would be don't

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run the argument about the lockdowns, cuz that's been voted on and done.

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You've gotta argue about things that have happened since then.

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And I'm sure there's enough stuff.

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I mean, things to do with the railways and that, that spend a lot of money.

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There's a lot of debt in Victoria.

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You know, you could, you could have a good whinge with some.

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Oh, some decent arguments about other stuff, but rehashing the lockdown

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and complaining about your education system and its woke education agenda.

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But you see, you've got no choice but to go to public schools with

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their woke agenda because Dict Dan has slapped payroll tax on

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the, on the Christian schools.

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Yes.

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Which is honestly a brilliant thing to do.

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Yeah.

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Well, but I mean, that's something that she could have argued

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about as a, to her constituency.

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Exactly.

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And made some headway, but to just rehash that stuff.

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So yeah, I'm not fan of the woke agenda, but it's not a, it's not a thing saying

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that we have to concern ourselves with the way that the Australian would, or that

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Jordan Peterson or Greg Sheridan and all the rest of them wanna talk about anyway.

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That's Victorian politics once again, making Queensland look good.

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Thank you, Victoria.

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Right, I'm sure Bob Cat will come out one of these days and make some comments.

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Yes, yes.

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Almost forget the Pauline Hanson's a Queenslander, so, yeah.

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Well, I can't ever forget that.

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Please explain.

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Yes.

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She's an idiot.

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Yeah.

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Look, I was complaining last week about how one-sided Western media is in certain

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narratives, and I found a clip from Jeffrey Sachs talking about that topic.

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So I'll just play a little bit of this one where he's describing New York

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Times and its reluctance to give any space to an alternative narrative.

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Here we go.

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The United States has a very hard time thinking through the eyes of anyone else.

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And when I say us, I, I'm meaning literally a small

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group of a few hundred people.

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I'm not speaking about the American people.

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They're not told anything about this.

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And just as a footnote, I've tried to explain the role of NATO in this

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to the New York Times, and they will not print anything on this.

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They've written 26 editorials since February 24th, 2022,

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that this is an unprovoked war.

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I called them, I wrote to them, I said, I've advised all these leaders, these

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countries, I've been through this for.

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Three decades.

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Can you give me 700 words?

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The answer is no.

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There's a complete unwillingness to have any discussion about this because if you

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do, you're put on Ukraine's blacklist and you're put on America's no show list.

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Hey, goes on to say, it doesn't matter.

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It's not just Republicans or not just Democrats.

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It's all the same.

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And, and those people who don't believe that humans are causing climate

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change, they're not invited anymore.

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You know, they, they don't get a chance to print an editorial in the New York Times.

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Yeah, well that's true.

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But I guess you've got a preponderance of the scientific community saying 97% of us

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say this is the situation and believe me.

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Putin is well and truly getting his message out there.

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Maybe not in the mainstream press, but I, I had to scroll through

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fa not Facebook, YouTube today.

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Yes.

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And some of the stuff I was seeing on there.

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Yes, no doubt.

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No doubt.

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But you know, when people talk about propaganda in China or Russia or whatever,

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you just have to recognize the same propaganda is happening in Western media.

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It's just more cleverly disguised, if you like.

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But there you go.

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That was Jeffrey Sachs on New York Times, not wanting to

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run a counter narrative Orus.

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So an article from the Australian Financial Review talked briefly about

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the Queensland branch, which we mentioned last week at its state conference.

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There was a motion on orcus.

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Now I thought at the time that they had put forward an or a motion condemning

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orcus, but in fact what happened was that a motion was put forward praising orcus

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and the delegates refused to pass it.

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So that's how that worked.

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And and then there's, Victoria is coming up with its own Labor Party

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conference, and it looks like there will be a motion, more or less

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condemning the orcus arrangement, expressing profound disappointment

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over the government's decision.

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So maybe Victoria will pass a motion.

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Demanding genuine debate and consultation and calling to question the whole thing.

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So, so yeah, that was Queensland and Victoria and there's a national

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conference going to be later in the year.

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The writer of this article is dubious about whether something would be passed at

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that, which would be negative about Orcus because the factions would not allow it.

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But anyway, Victoria and Queensland not happy with Orcus.

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Right.

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How are we going for time?

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Eight 14.

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It's probably gonna be short episode.

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This one in the show notes for the patrons.

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Also if you're not a patron and you wanna get the show notes, if you

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are donating through PayPal, cuz some people do give us something.

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Email and I will.

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Give you a link to a Dropbox where you can get the show notes, the extended ones.

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So do that if you'd like.

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But this was an article by a guy, John Willoughby, emeritus

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Professor of Medicine, an honorary consultant neurologist at Flinders

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University and Medical Center.

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He wrote an article in the John MedU blog that was sitting in my

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miscellaneous file for possibly years until I had the chance to get

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to it and looking at brain activity.

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And here's what they do with people.

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So, put them in an MRI machine and people are scored on a left winging to right

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wing scale using answers to questions like, do you support same sex marriage?

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Do you support gun to control?

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Are you religious, et cetera.

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So the people are sort of categorized as left or right wing based on those answers.

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Then the participants undertaken apparently mindless task in which

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they have to respond to a visual signal, which is briefly displayed on

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a monitor by pressing a timer button.

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They're given these instructions.

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Look at the monitor.

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If you see an X appear on the screen here, the button, if you see a Y appear

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on the screen, don't hit the button.

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All the while their brain activity is being recorded.

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In this test, X is very frequent.

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So the usual response to a letter appearing is to hit the button.

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When the very rare Y appears, the response is to withhold the usual

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action of hitting the button.

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So these tests are known as go, no go tests.

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And so there are many studies demonstrating that people on the right

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side of the political spectrum have stronger markers of emotional activation.

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To unexpected change than people on the left.

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So when they see the why and they're not supposed to hit the button,

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stronger markers of emotional activation for right wingers.

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So, so yeah, they get more emotional and there are other kinds of difference.

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People with left wing attitudes have a larger anterior singulate

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cortex, smaller right amygdala and smaller left insular findings that

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correlate with levels of activity in the structures when they deal with

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information counter to their experience.

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The interpretation here is that people with left-wing attitudes

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think more deeply or differently when information is unexpected.

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In contrast to people with right-wing attitudes whose

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responses are more emotional.

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Jonathan Hay.

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Wrote a book called The Righteous Mind.

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Mm-hmm.

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Which explores at a psychological rather than at a physical level mm-hmm.

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The difference between right and left.

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And they said, effectively they are disgusted by different things.

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So Right wingers are disgusted by things that are against moral

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norms, against societal norms.

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Mm.

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The left are more disgusted by adulterous of food of the planet.

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Mm-hmm.

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So, as his said, effectively they are both kneejerk reactions, but they're

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kneejerk reactions to different things.

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Mm-hmm.

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And that's why we get the clumping.

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But yes, it's very much an ingrained thing.

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It's a, it's a hardwired thing.

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Mm-hmm.

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So this is same as a hard wiring for right wingers to have a more emotional

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response to unexpected change.

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Yes.

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Very interesting.

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As you're talking to your left and right-wing friends, and also

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also oh, there's a psychologist Justin Lay Miller mm-hmm.

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Who wrote a book about people's kinks, big cross population survey in America,

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and said that the right wingers get turned on by the thought of inky behavior.

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Yeah.

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Cuckolding.

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Right.

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So because that's going against their social norms, right.

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You know, you know, the, the marriage is sacrosanct and therefore to be

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cuckolded is such a turn on right.

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Whereas left wingers female empowerment is the, is the norm, right?

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And therefore dom sub relationships are much more an interest in left wings.

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There we go.

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Sexual proclivities reveal sex.

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Sexual proclivities is all about flipping the social norms is all

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about taking those things that aren't allowed in your subgroup and

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Right, and turning them on the head.

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There we go.

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So it's, yeah, interesting.

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Think about that, dear listener.

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Right.

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Just an article about those cruel Chinese.

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I don't think I've mentioned this story before.

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I'm pretty sure I've heard it somewhere.

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Yeah.

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I'm worried.

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I might have mentioned it.

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But anyway, there was a Russian man trapped on a Chinese reality TV show.

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He joined a boy band competition on Chinese TV on a whim, but regretted his

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decision, basically wanted to leave.

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And they said, well, you can't leave.

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You'll pay a hefty fine.

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It's gonna cost you a lot of money.

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You've gotta hope to be voted out.

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And so he would do terrible performances and plead with

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the audience to vote him off.

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The Chinese audience refused to they, they, as a sort of a Chardon Freud

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sort of thing made him stay despite the fact that he wanted to leave and

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became quite, quite the thing to get on and vote to keep this Russian on

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the show, despite his wishes to leave.

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And so he was propelled through three months of competition and 10 episodes

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a fan base, which had taken to his grumpy Antice celebrity persona or were

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perhaps driven by Chardon Freud urged each other to vote for him and let him.

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9 96 and 9 96 is a reference in China's digital industry

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culture of chronic overwork.

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9:00 AM to 9:00 PM six days a week.

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So let this Russian guy, let him.

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9, 9, 6.

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Others called him the most miserable wage slave and celebrated him as

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an icon of sang culture, a Chinese millennial concept of having a

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defeatist attitude towards life.

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That's funny.

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Somebody trying to get I can see other cultures doing that though.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Finally, two quick topics.

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Really, China, well, US is worried about Taiwan because they think they're just

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gonna do what the US did to Hawaii.

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Really?

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Are you guys aware of the sort of history of Hawaii and the US.

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Yeah.

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And position came to know about it after listening to a podcast

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by American History Tellers.

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Mm-hmm.

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And they were talking about it.

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Yes.

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And yeah, they really Well, the, the Hawaiian, the Hawaiian Royal family was

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really screwed over by the Americans.

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Yes.

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And they ended up losing their whole country to the Americans.

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And the Americans, I think only made the mistake in 1950 something, didn't they?

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Mm-hmm.

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Well, they basically organized a co atar and Yeah.

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And there was in 1990, so this happened back in 1893 which they eventually,

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that was when things got underway, and they eventually acquired the island

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as part of the United States in 1898.

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In 1993, there was an apology resolution by the US Congress.

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Conceding that the overthrow of the kingdom of Hawaii occurred with

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the active participation of agents and citizens of the United States

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and the Native Hawaiian people.

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People never directly relinquished to the United States, their claims

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to their inherent sovereignty as a people over their national lands.

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So essentially in admission by the us yep, we engineered a coup.

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Sorry.

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And that was in 1993, it sounded like America.

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Yes.

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I wonder who was in charge in 93.

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It would've been that that would've been w wouldn't it?

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No, it would've been Clinton actually.

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Clinton would've been maybe Clinton.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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If Reagan was the eighties, Clinton would've been, yeah.

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Clinton would've been in the nineties.

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Doesn't sound like something Reagan or Bush would've done.

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It have been Clinton.

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Yeah.

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So, so there we go.

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Just bear that in mind and also just, I was the same time I had a little

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thing there about the Mexican American war and essentially Texas had kind

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of tried to the Texas te, what is now known as Texas, that rough territory

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had tried to say that it had broken away from Mexico as an independent area.

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Republican Texas wasn't it?

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Remembered the Alamo.

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Yeah.

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The US couldn't accept Texas because of problems with the

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voting blocks on slavery.

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So it was sort of, the US hadn't acquired it.

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They claimed to have seceded from Mexico.

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The US then sent troops into Texas, more or less goading the amec, the

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Mexicans, into a conflict and then.

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Proceeded to go into all our war with the Mexicans, and if you looked dear

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listener at your phone, the chapters should show a map of what was Mexico.

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And you can see it was a huge area that was taken.

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It was a very big country.

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Yeah, it was a massive area that was taken.

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And according to Wikipedia, in 1844, United States presidential

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election, Democrat James K.

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Polk was elected on a platform of expanding US

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territory in Oregon and Texas.

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Polk advocated expansion by either peaceful means or by armed force

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with the 1845 annexation of Texas as furthering that goal for Mexico.

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This was itself a provocation, but Polk went further sending

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us Army troops to the area.

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Sent a diplomatic mission to Mexico to try and negotiate a sale of the territory.

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The US troops presence was a provocative and designed to lure Mexico into

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starting the conflict, blah, blah, blah.

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So, wasn't there something about the US refused to acknowledge

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Mexico's independence from Spain?

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I dunno about that.

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Maybe, I dunno.

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So where's the modern border run now?

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Runs across the top of Texas, Baja, California.

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Yes.

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And then basically New Mexico is U us Yes.

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And then, Half of, of Texas is yellow.

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Yeah.

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Well, no, there, there's, okay.

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So Baja California is still part of Mexico.

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Yes, yes.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So the Alta California was taken over by the United States.

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New Mexico was taken over by the US and Texas was taken over by the us.

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The rest of it's still Mexico.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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So, so Texas is actually, there's only half of Texas in there, cuz

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Texas is bigger now, I think.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Anyway, that wasn't that long ago.

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1845 US troops in the Philippines.

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Mm.

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Yes.

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All that was the 1890s.

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Yes.

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So just wanna sort of put that out there in weeks and months to come.

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When we talk about Taiwan and I, I get confused with Hawaii.

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I'll just as a joke, maybe just bear that in mind.

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That's some of the stuff in America's been doing.

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Yeah, I think that the only thing that the Yanks can be accused of

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pinching was those territories from Mexico and also Hawaii, you know,

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because the Philippines, they did actually end up handing over to mm-hmm.

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You know, the, they ended up I can't remember the exact history of it, but

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there was a civil, where was a war and that sort of stuff that was fought

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with Americans against the Filipinos.

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But eventually, once that war was over, the Filipinos dropped their country back.

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And then Guam?

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Yes, sorry.

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So Guam.

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Okay.

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Gotcha.

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That's another one I didn't know about.

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Yeah.

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Very handy for military base.

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Yeah.

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And I'm wondering about the Caribbean.

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What's Puerto Rico?

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Cuz it's not even a state yet, is it?

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Yes.

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No, it's not a state.

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It's right.

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It American territory.

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It's an American territory.

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And then of course it's the US Virgin Islands.

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Yes, in American Samoa Granada, apparently, but yes, but, but apart

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from Mexico, Hawaii, Guam, yeah.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Puerto Rico.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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And I've said I have, what have the American ever done since before?

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Thes do not have, they are not completely bloodless in this thing.

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You know, they have made some disastrous foreign policy decisions in the past.

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And let's not even even start on Diego Garcia.

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No, exactly.

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You know what, what's Diego Garcia?

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What's that?

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British Indian Ocean Territory, which was a coconuts plantation.

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And effectively the, the, the locals who were imports anyway

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were left to look after themselves.

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And then the British colonial Administration kicked them out so that

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the US could build a military base there.

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Is this the one between India?

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Yes.

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Is this in the Yes.

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Yes.

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It's the U us staging forward staging area for the Indian Ocean.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yeah, right.

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Last one.

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Donald Trump we mentioned 37.

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He is in a shitload of trouble.

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Oh, God, yes.

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He's, if he lives long enough, they've got it.

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Yeah.

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It, it's one of those things.

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I haven't read the, I haven't read the indictment, but apparently

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according to all the all the American podcasts, I'll listen to Jack's.

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What's his surname?

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Snow, is it No.

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Mm.

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Jack, whatever his name is.

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The prosecutor and that sort of stuff that's been hired to actually.

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Pull him down.

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He has got it.

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He has got it nailed down beautifully.

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So they're saying that there is no rigg room at all for him.

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That, you know, even it doesn't matter that you've got a judge

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that's been appointed by him.

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It's one of those things that he cannot walk away from this.

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Mm.

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I've got a little clip about what Donald Trump actually I'll plat now.

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This when he was president in my administration, I'm going to

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enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information.

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No one will be above the law.

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And that was something else that was also said about on the scathing

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atheist I was listening to.

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They said that They said that he's actually hung hanged himself because him

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signing into law and that sort of stuff, what he did was allegedly to try and grab

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Hillary Clinton for her ah, email service.

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Very lawyers.

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He wrote Yeah.

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Email service.

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And that's now just all blown up in his face because he could have got away with

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it would've been, it would've been, he would've been charged as a misdemeanor,

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but now it's actually a full-blown felony.

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He's also apparently there's audio recording Oh yeah.

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Of him talking to somebody about something else at the time.

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But he said, oh yeah, I've got this document here I could show

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you, but it's classified and he's waving it in front of them.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Don't look too close.

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Yep.

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Cause I'm not, I'm not allowed to show it to you, but quick just speak.

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And I think that's exactly what he's saying.

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I couldn't classify, I couldn't declassify it even if I wanted to.

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So they've got him on tape saying he couldn't declassify it.

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Cause he, he was no longer the president.

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Exactly.

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You know, he has really cocked up.

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Terrible.

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So sad.

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Well, it's one of those things like, you know, they were, they

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were, they were expecting 50,000 people and that sort of stuff.

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Were gonna be at the front of the courthouse and that type of thing

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to actually welcome him back.

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But they barely had five or 10,000 people turning up there.

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And apparently was it that many half of them were apparently half of

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them were also arguing against him.

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So they're just saying that he's, he's he's going to lose, you know,

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if the Republicans do actually nominate him again, even though

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he is up against Sleepy Joe.

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And this time around, I think that they could actually put that nickname

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on him because he is very old.

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You know, he will lose.

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So that is one of the things that the Republicans are going to have

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to take a very hard, long look at themselves and that type of thing.

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And they're gonna have to find someone better than what they've got.

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Oh, DeSantis apparently.

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DeSantis is just as big a dickhead, but he's actually younger.

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Yes.

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A apparently Joe Biden finished off a speech the other day

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with God saved the Queen.

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Oh, did he?

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Yeah.

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See that in itself, you know, we could always laugh about him having

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dementia and everything like that, but you've gotta actually start to wonder

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whether or not he has actually got it.

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Yeah.

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I mean, doesn't he know there's a key?

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Exactly.

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There's, there's photographs of his instructions allegedly, that

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have been taken, you know, on his lecter or whatever that says.

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Yeah.

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Open the, the greeting.

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Then you talk to this journalist, then you talk to this journalist,

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they're going to ask you this.

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Right.

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And at the end, turn left, walk to the stage, basically left, exit

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stage left and all this stuff, stuff.

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And have you, have you seen the latest RT Deep fake of all the,

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your European leaders in the American leader about Ukraine?

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No.

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Oh, oh, look, what is it?

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Oh, basically it's deep fake that RT have made going oh yeah.

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What are we going to do about Ukraine?

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And they're, they're trying to think up new sanctions to enforce on Russia.

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Mm-hmm.

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Right.

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And basically saying that none of the, the sanctions are biting and

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therefore they don't what to do.

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Mm-hmm.

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But it was, it was more the, Hey, we've now got to the point where videos

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are being produced of world leaders saying things that they never said.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I see.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Send me a link to that.

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I'd be yeah, I'll see if I can find it.

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See it.

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Yeah.

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Very good.

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Okay.

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Well, there you go.

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Dear listener, another episode.

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