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Episode 387 - Mainstream Media - mostly poisonous propaganda
In this episode, we discuss:
(00:00) 387
(00:41) Intro
(04:24) Religious Instruction
(13:12) AI Emails
(16:04) The Media
(30:15) Housing and Inflation
(47:27) Max Chandler-Mather. Watch him on Youtube (Insiders)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dvn2nd5ZDA
(55:49) Ukraine and that dam
(01:10:02) Roger Waters
(01:17:02) Trump
(01:22:20) Essential Poll on The Voice
(01:23:58) Pat Robertson
(01:25:50) Hurley Burley
(01:27:30) Help
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Suburban Eastern Australia.
Speaker:An environment that has over time evolved some extraordinarily
Speaker:unique groups of Homo Sapians.
Speaker:But today we observe a small tribe akin to a group of mere cats that gather together
Speaker:a top, a small mound to watch question and discuss the current events of their city,
Speaker:their country, and their world at large.
Speaker:Let's listen keenly and observe this group fondly known as the
Speaker:Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.
Speaker:I'm actually jealous of the mere cats because it's probably easy
Speaker:for them to identify good guys and bad guys as they're looking out.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:In anyone who wants to eat them is probably a bad guy.
Speaker:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker:Things they want to eat.
Speaker:Let's heading that direction.
Speaker:It'd be simple, wouldn't it?
Speaker:It's not so simple in our world to identify the good and the bad, to sort
Speaker:out the wheat from the chf, to just get through the mountain of distraction lies,
Speaker:to work out who's Jesus and who is Satan.
Speaker:That's it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's not easy, but that's what we are here for on this podcast.
Speaker:That's our job is to, is to work our way through it and help you out, dear
Speaker:listener, because you are too busy.
Speaker:You'll work away nine to five.
Speaker:You've got other commitments.
Speaker:You can't read all of the shit that we have to read and all the posts and
Speaker:social media stuff that we follow.
Speaker:You're relying on us to provide a few guideposts, I guess.
Speaker:But Trevor, you and I don't agree on everything.
Speaker:That's true.
Speaker:At least well.
Speaker:Trying to find common ground.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Common understanding.
Speaker:At least we, at least if we can find the truth of something mm-hmm.
Speaker:Then we can argue about the merits of things.
Speaker:I, I just, just getting to the truth is the hard part
Speaker:re-watched a, a eulogy to hitch.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yesterday actually.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And one of his friends said you know, I, I often disagreed with 75% of what
Speaker:he said, but he was still friends.
Speaker:He actually enjoyed being challenged.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And, and I think that's the important point, is that you can
Speaker:challenge and still be friends.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And, and that you appreciate somebody challenging your point of view.
Speaker:I've actually enjoyed the last couple of weeks where you guys have been pushing
Speaker:back on the China Russias business.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So quite enjoyed that.
Speaker:We were having a bit of disagreement, bit of to and fro saying, yeah.
Speaker:Anyway, I didn't think we actually disagree over China.
Speaker:I just think to myself that we've got to actually not restrain them, but manage
Speaker:their re rise, you know, because they are, they are getting, they are getting back
Speaker:to where they originally belonged for the last 18th centuries, outta the last 20.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:They were down below where they were, and now they've, they're starting
Speaker:to come back to where they were now.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And I just think to myself, okay, that's fine.
Speaker:But I just think to myself, they've got to actually step back from Taiwan.
Speaker:That's all.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Well see, we do disagree on some things anyway.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:Let's work our way through some topics, see where we agree and disagree.
Speaker:And what is, what's on the agenda?
Speaker:Well, we're gonna talk about religious instruction in Queensland.
Speaker:There's been a bit of stuff about that.
Speaker:And then really there was a bunch of topics that, to me, were all
Speaker:centered around our media and.
Speaker:What a poor job it's been doing, particularly in Australia.
Speaker:So a lot of things where, what's going on, a fair amount of the discussion is about
Speaker:how it's being treated in the media as in addition to what is actually going on.
Speaker:So if you're in the chat room, say hello.
Speaker:Who is in the chat room?
Speaker:We've got John and Andrew.
Speaker:Tanya and Mel here over the moment.
Speaker:Mel, good to see you there, Mel.
Speaker:So, right.
Speaker:Ah, she's the, well she was up there at the Mackay meeting.
Speaker:Was she?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:She's one of our, one of the instigators.
Speaker:So, right.
Speaker:Or let's talk about religious instruction in school.
Speaker:So, we revealed a week or two ago that the Queensland Labor Party at its conference
Speaker:agreed unanimously that to have a policy that religious instruction lessons
Speaker:should either Be taken away out of school completely or alternatively that they be
Speaker:offered during lunchtime breaks or before or after school, not during school time.
Speaker:So that was a clever, a clever little thing to put in there as a
Speaker:way of, of appearing reasonable.
Speaker:And it is reasonable to offer them, you know, that's, that's still something
Speaker:that they shouldn't be allowed to do in a absolutely secular state
Speaker:school, but as a tactic of trying to get something through the parliament.
Speaker:Excellent move.
Speaker:Because of course, when the religious instruction lobby objects to it
Speaker:the answer is we can still do it, just do it before or after school
Speaker:because, you know, in America it, it's not even allowed in school.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So look at our system and think they'd love to have it.
Speaker:Yeah, they have.
Speaker:So the, the, the religion.
Speaker:Mob have wet dreams about it.
Speaker:The secularists go, what the hell were you doing?
Speaker:What were you thinking of?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Because kids associate school with knowledge and so they're
Speaker:coming here and they're getting assertions rather than knowledge.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So yeah, you go to church for assertions, you go to school for knowledge.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well anyway, so we had that, which was great.
Speaker:And we did think at the time, well, it's one thing to have a policy, it's another
Speaker:thing to actually have laws changed.
Speaker:And unfortunately it's been reported that Grace, grace living up to her
Speaker:name possibly has basically said she's got no intention of changing
Speaker:the law to match in with this policy.
Speaker:And it's also came out because there's been some great work in
Speaker:particular by a writer at the Career Mail, Mattie Holdsworth who's been
Speaker:writing lots of articles, which.
Speaker:Have quite succinctly put forward the secular case very well.
Speaker:I mean, we would've been dreaming for years about having a journalist
Speaker:like maybe Holdsworth at the Courier Mail doing what he's doing right now.
Speaker:He's doing a great job.
Speaker:So he's coming out with articles and the latest one was had a lady called Karen
Speaker:Gring and she's from the Queensland Christian Religious Instruction Network.
Speaker:She's the chair and she's not happy about the proposed change.
Speaker:I think there should be a g and E on the end of that Q cringe.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Cringe cringing.
Speaker:Is that what you're saying?
Speaker:No, no, no, no.
Speaker:The Q C R I N.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Oh, I see the, an acronym.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Anyway so.
Speaker:Also in this article, it talks how that the Queensland Teachers Union
Speaker:is, is in favor of the change.
Speaker:And also the state school principals association, Queensland Association
Speaker:of State School Principals.
Speaker:They've been very coy in the past and difficult to get any sort of commitment
Speaker:from in years gone by, as I recall.
Speaker:So I find it very encouraging and interesting that the Queensland
Speaker:Association of State School principals also backs the changes.
Speaker:Of course Karen living up to her name as a Karen must be
Speaker:terrible to be a Karen these days.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And as soon as you have a bit of a gripe about something mm-hmm.
Speaker:You're accused.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:What a Karen.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:It would be terrible, wouldn't it?
Speaker:Anyway, living up to her name, she she didn't like the compromise.
Speaker:Because, you know this is of doing it before or after school because she said
Speaker:it would mean the end of RI in Queensland.
Speaker:She says, when the Victorian government decided to do that, we know the numbers
Speaker:fell overnight, effectively killed.
Speaker:There would be no program.
Speaker:Ms.
Speaker:Grinning said, we don't want hundreds of thousands of parents to miss out
Speaker:on the important part of education.
Speaker:That is the consequence.
Speaker:So what she's basically admitting, as we all know, is the kids don't wanna
Speaker:really do these things and they're not going to give up their lunchtime.
Speaker:Also, the parents, 99.9% of the time would not be interested in getting their kids
Speaker:to school early or picking 'em up late so they could attend a before or after class.
Speaker:So she's effectively admitting that the Victorian experience would be replicated
Speaker:here, that the kids and the parents.
Speaker:If they have to put in a modicum of effort, we'll not want to do it, and
Speaker:the whole rock shadow will collapse.
Speaker:And she says that without Yes.
Speaker:B awareness.
Speaker:She's all about values.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Because people can't have values without being indoctrinated.
Speaker:Sorry, be instructed in religion.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:She also tried to run the argument that the people, all the children who don't
Speaker:go to religious classes they get some valuable religion revision and quiet
Speaker:reading time that's very valuable to them that they'd be missing out on.
Speaker:So she's trying to say that this downtime with kids are twiddling their thumbs
Speaker:would, would be lost or ludicrous.
Speaker:The problem is, of course, if you look at the comment section on
Speaker:the Curia mail with these articles they've been pretty heavily in favor
Speaker:of religious instruction continuing the way it has, because guess what?
Speaker:The average reader of the courier male is is that sort of demographic.
Speaker:So unfortunately if Grace, grace is paying attention to the comment section, then she
Speaker:will be, have a full sense of entitlement yes, to keep it as it is and be scared
Speaker:to change it because she will go, oh no, all the comments section are against it.
Speaker:I better not do anything like possibly she thinks that way.
Speaker:Who knows?
Speaker:Really surely in the Labor party.
Speaker:Now, if you are criticized in the courier mail or you are criticized
Speaker:by commentators in the courier mail, you should see that as a green light
Speaker:for a thing you should do, because exactly, it should be a signal to you.
Speaker:But that's something you should do.
Speaker:If the courier mail's telling you not to or the people are telling you not to, it's
Speaker:probably something you should do anyway.
Speaker:That's where we're at with religious instruction.
Speaker:It will be interesting to see what pressure can come to bear on
Speaker:Grace, grace over this issue by Labor party colleagues, I guess.
Speaker:Sounds like next election.
Speaker:We're all out in her electorate, campaigning for the greens.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:We are.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:We are.
Speaker:We are going to make contact with whoever the Greens candidate
Speaker:is and we will be offering as much support as we possibly can.
Speaker:Because the Greens, of course, have a policy of getting rid of this RI and
Speaker:Grace Grace's electorate is one of those that's in danger of the greens.
Speaker:Taking it over.
Speaker:You should see that.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Anyway, right in the chat room.
Speaker:What's been happening there?
Speaker:Let me just, why can't I scroll on this chat and see what's been happening?
Speaker:Why isn't that scrolling?
Speaker:Oh, no, why?
Speaker:Let me go back to here.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Let me see.
Speaker:Yes, and Mel, we are gonna help on the Sunshine Coast as well.
Speaker:Actually Julia says the comments section on previous articles have
Speaker:a majority saying, get it out.
Speaker:That's good.
Speaker:That's what she said.
Speaker:Check out the videos.
Speaker:20th.
Speaker:There's some links there to some videos that Julia is aware of.
Speaker:And John says he knows a couple of Karens and they prefer Kaz now.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Julia says principles have wanted changes since 2015.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And hello to Allison's mother, Bev.
Speaker:Now also asked, did we pick up on the orcas at State conference?
Speaker:No we didn't.
Speaker:So presumably the state conference said they didn't like the sound of orcas.
Speaker:I would hope Is that same?
Speaker:Hopefully they said stage three task cut tax cuts were crap as well.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Let us know, Mel, what the story was with orus at that stage conference as well.
Speaker:Alright, so in the chat room, you're firing away already.
Speaker:Good to see.
Speaker:Before we move on to more of my media stuff, is it a
Speaker:strange buzzing coming through?
Speaker:Yeah, it's Scott's fridge, that's my refrigerator.
Speaker:It's just turned on.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Sorry about that.
Speaker:No, it's all right.
Speaker:Joe, you were concerned about AI and Christian email campaigns.
Speaker:What's the story?
Speaker:So I was listening to a podcast.
Speaker:Science versus, which generally dials into delves into controversial matters.
Speaker:And this time was AI and how it was gonna end the world.
Speaker:And shock horror up it isn't.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:But they did say one of the most concerning things was the ability
Speaker:to generate convincing sounding letters to generate a flood of
Speaker:replies on a controversial issue.
Speaker:And they'd taken a bunch of generated and real letters to some politicians in
Speaker:the US and they couldn't tell which ones were generated and which ones weren't.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:And so there's a very real possibility that with a bit of knowledge, you could
Speaker:generate an email campaign as a single person and generate hundreds or even
Speaker:thousands of e emails to politicians pretending that their electric cares about
Speaker:an issue that really isn't of interest.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And, and knowing that the a c l engage in these huge letter writing campaigns
Speaker:where they just dump out the same form letter over and over to the point where
Speaker:I think it was the voluntary assisted dying, said we ignored the form letters
Speaker:and took 'em all as a single letter.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:The in future they could be using this to auto-generate non-standard form letters.
Speaker:So still a form letter, but it doesn't look like one which would
Speaker:make it seem like considerably more of a groundswell than it really is.
Speaker:Maybe it will so discredit the email lobbying sort of industry that people
Speaker:will be tempted to just ignore email campaigns if it is such a chronic issue.
Speaker:I, I think maybe in the long run.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:But in the short term, there's a, a very high possibility that yes.
Speaker:And I think, I think you're right there, Joe.
Speaker:I just think to myself, in the short term, you're gonna have a hell of a
Speaker:lot more of this sort of nonsense.
Speaker:Whether they're going actually just sign, try and flood their email inboxes.
Speaker:That's all given that the Christians think it could, I think it could actually
Speaker:work in their favor in the short term, but in the longer term, I think Joe's
Speaker:right, that you just, I think Trevor's right, they'll start to ignore it
Speaker:after about six or 12 months, given that the email campaigns, normally the
Speaker:Christians outnumber the secularists.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Maybe it's an opportunity for the secularists to use
Speaker:the ARI to even up the field.
Speaker:I know that it's one of those things that we, we, you know, it's just
Speaker:that you're gonna get into an arms race with them who can actually fund,
Speaker:who can fund the inboxes faster.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Oh, well, we'll see what happens with that one.
Speaker:All part of an interesting world.
Speaker:So, oh, look, as I was going through these topics, I got quite
Speaker:depressed and negative, so let me pass on some of that to you.
Speaker:Well, I was listening to James O'Brien talking about Boris Johnson.
Speaker:And Boris Johnson has resigned and, and his fuck off letter.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Basically blaming everybody except himself and saying it was
Speaker:a completely undemocratic process.
Speaker:The inquiries that have been against him, all to do with the parties that were held
Speaker:at Downing Street during lockdown period, and his array of lies that he spewed
Speaker:forth in, you know, once hints of this came out and really just caught out and.
Speaker:You know, as James O'Brien was explaining it, there is a committee
Speaker:looking at his behavior, which is a majority conservative committee.
Speaker:The parliament is still majority conservative.
Speaker:The worst that would happen is that they would recommend some sort of
Speaker:by-election take place, and then it would be up to his constituents who are
Speaker:majority conservative to boot him out.
Speaker:So for him to say the whole process is undemocratic beggar's belief, what he
Speaker:means is he's a privileged, spoiled brat.
Speaker:And he doesn't like being held to account.
Speaker:Correct.
Speaker:I think he's right.
Speaker:He's, he's jumping now and so he can say the whole thing is a kangaroo court.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And so I was, I was listening to that and really to any observer looking at
Speaker:Boris Johnson from the get-go, you just have to go, this guy is a lion prick and.
Speaker:Trump was the same.
Speaker:You just had to look at him and listen to him for five minutes and know
Speaker:that he was a conman snake salesman who was only interested in himself.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But I don't understand how he's still the front runner in the
Speaker:Republican nomination race because it's all politically motivated.
Speaker:It's all a plot to take him down.
Speaker:It's all tribal.
Speaker:It's tribal.
Speaker:It's tribalism will excuse anything.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:That's what it's come down to.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But you do have a number of other people up there who are trying to take him down.
Speaker:It's just I don't understand why.
Speaker:I mean, Ron DeSantis is, is an idiot, but you know, you do have a
Speaker:few others there that are possibly a hell of a lot better than him.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Well, he's created his own tribe, the Trump tribe.
Speaker:Remember he's taken over the Republican party and.
Speaker:Refashioned it as the Trump party, and the other people are Republicans are
Speaker:trying to just nibble away at the edges.
Speaker:So, you know, tribalism.
Speaker:And then, you know, lately with this sort of Brittany Higgins saga, which I will
Speaker:not be talking about you're free to now.
Speaker:Well, just except for this one moment right now.
Speaker:Remind kept reminding me of Scott Morrison and, and he was also
Speaker:to my mind, obviously a liar.
Speaker:And a charan.
Speaker:And a buffoon.
Speaker:No, no, no.
Speaker:None of them were liars.
Speaker:They were bullshitters.
Speaker:The difference is a liar knows that it's a lie.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And cares about the truth.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:A bullshitter doesn't care what the truth is.
Speaker:What they say is what serves them at the time.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, that's true.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And, and, and they were all bullshitters.
Speaker:So there's certainly a common thing about these guys, guys, as you look at them.
Speaker:To me.
Speaker:Buffoons, blustering, stupid, selfish, buffoons, full of chutzpah, which is
Speaker:extreme self-confidence or audacity comes from the back of the throat.
Speaker:It's chutzpah.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:Or the Hebrew lesson y Yiddish, I think y Yiddish.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Their only talent was self-promotion and self-preservation, and they
Speaker:invariably relied on a thin veneer of lies and tribalism, the three of them.
Speaker:And the thing is, they got away with it for so long because they just weren't
Speaker:scrutinized by the media properly.
Speaker:And we just have Trump, Trump got so much and Trump became the leader
Speaker:because he got so much free press.
Speaker:They, they looked at the amount of press he got before the 2016 election.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And said if he'd had to pay for that, that would've been worth hundreds of millions.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Well, okay.
Speaker:That's just another example of how the media has not worked the way it should
Speaker:to expose these snake oil salesman.
Speaker:The complete failure of the media, if its job is to inform
Speaker:people of what's going on.
Speaker:But I, I think they no longer think that they now think that their job is to
Speaker:pick aside well set agendas, set policy.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:They, they think their role is to to drive the populace into persuading politicians.
Speaker:That's what it's become.
Speaker:Certainly for the privately owned media.
Speaker:For example, even, even the state owned media to an extent.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Which way are they driving people, Jane?
Speaker:BBC abc, I, I, I think they are undecided.
Speaker:I see they are a lot on politics.
Speaker:They're afraid to call out the right for, for what they are.
Speaker:But on social issues mm-hmm.
Speaker:I see that quite often they are very left-leaning.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:They'll drive a left wing bedroom issue, won't thinking, well, welcome to country.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:As an example.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:And, and or any of the gay rights and marriage equality.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:Transgender and all that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:They'll drive that.
Speaker:That's true.
Speaker:But, but politically they really don't hold politicians to
Speaker:account around climate change.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:True.
Speaker:And, and other political issues.
Speaker:That's because the powerful people.
Speaker:Don't really care too much about marriage equality and transgender issues.
Speaker:These make up a good distraction to keep the masses occupied.
Speaker:But the things that are important to them, especially oil companies, for
Speaker:example, don't want climate change.
Speaker:And rich and powerful people don't want, you know, income inequality dealt with
Speaker:or other, no major changes like that.
Speaker:So, so the ones that the abc, the publicly owned media will drive are things that
Speaker:powerful people don't care too much about.
Speaker:Anyway where was I going with this?
Speaker:So, obviously private owned sectors captured by powerful interests,
Speaker:the families who own them, but the public sector, the ABC is captured
Speaker:by the same powerful oligarchs.
Speaker:So they fill the board positions, Ida Buttross, and the other
Speaker:cronies on the ABC board.
Speaker:They feel the comparing roles.
Speaker:If you look at David Spears, pat, Patricia Cavalla, Stan Grant, these
Speaker:are all right-wing corporate types.
Speaker:Any honest independent journalists risk losing, access to scoops via leaks.
Speaker:If they rock the boat, the smart ones have already left.
Speaker:The ones left behind who are not right wing insurgents are timid
Speaker:dullards who don't understand and can't provide analysis.
Speaker:I think the analysis on the ABC is pathetic at the moment and the way
Speaker:James O'Brien was talking about the bbc, it sounds like it's no better.
Speaker:There's no analysis.
Speaker:So the only time they introduce ideas outside of a narrow Overton window is when
Speaker:they allow crazy right wing panelists like Greg Sheridan to give a right wing view.
Speaker:And the effect is to shift the Overton window a bit more to the right.
Speaker:It, it's like this nonsense that he's got written here.
Speaker:You know, Boris and Trump targets of undemocratic attack, the la persecutions
Speaker:of both Donald Trump and Boris Johnson.
Speaker:Demand designed to make sure they never come back as shocking.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:You know, I, I can't understand how someone who has a brain on their
Speaker:shoulders could suggest that either of those men are being persecuted, like
Speaker:they've been given such a free ride.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's Greg Sheridan.
Speaker:He's an idiot.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:As marquee lawyers described, he's, he's entered the weird uncle phase of his
Speaker:career, but he's been there a while.
Speaker:Next week the ABC will have him on, I know, on some panel
Speaker:somewhere, and not him either.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Give us your viewpoint.
Speaker:And he'll give his extreme viewpoint and that that will
Speaker:be part of what its acceptable conversation in the Overton window.
Speaker:But they never have anybody from the socialist Democratic Party or some other
Speaker:extreme left when it comes to economic issues or, or climate change issues.
Speaker:They're just, anyway, that's the abc.
Speaker:It's, it's been taken over.
Speaker:So, so what do we do?
Speaker:So to understand people need to read, but who's got the time?
Speaker:Who can avoid the distractions that cripple our attention?
Speaker:Like, I have to do this podcast every week, so one reading stuff,
Speaker:but I'll often get distracted way too much by social media and get
Speaker:taken away from more in-depth things.
Speaker:It's not easy to avoid all of these bells and whistles and read something
Speaker:of significance and difficulty and try and understand an issue.
Speaker:And look, while I'm on this topic, I am going to provide a little bit of a video
Speaker:from James O'Brien who was maybe I'm not actually, this is by Roger Waters.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So he's been in the news lately because he's been accused of antisemitism
Speaker:and he had quite a good rant explaining why he's not antisemitic.
Speaker:But he had a good in his rant, there was an interesting passage I
Speaker:thought about how do we understand topics and learn about things.
Speaker:I'll play this one for you just to break up my monologue.
Speaker:Here we go.
Speaker:A lot of my political ideals have hosted through this, mainly following my mother.
Speaker:She once said to me when I was struggling with something or other, she
Speaker:said, Roger, through your throughout your life, you're gonna come up
Speaker:with all kinds of naughty problems, things that you have to wrestle with.
Speaker:This is my advice to you.
Speaker:Read, read, read, read, and then read some more.
Speaker:Find out everything there is to know about whatever the question might be.
Speaker:However long it takes when you've done that, you've done all the heavy
Speaker:lifting, the hard work is over.
Speaker:What do I do then, mom, she said Next bit.
Speaker:It's easy.
Speaker:You just do the right thing.
Speaker:You know it's not hard.
Speaker:But you do have to do the reading and you cannot believe what the BBC tells
Speaker:you cuz it's completely a mouthpiece of government and the ruling class.
Speaker:You are not being told any of the truth.
Speaker:So what I would suggest you should do is like my mother would suggest
Speaker:you do, and read, read, read, and don't read The Daily Mail.
Speaker:Or The Guardian.
Speaker:The Guardian.
Speaker:What is our guardian of, Ugh.
Speaker:Read what people who know about these things have to say.
Speaker:That's the other thing, isn't it?
Speaker:You gotta be careful what you read.
Speaker:Mm-hmm mm-hmm.
Speaker:Head down some rabbit holes and you could be believing all sorts of crazy stuff.
Speaker:Gotta read critically.
Speaker:That's the thing.
Speaker:You gotta be able to evaluate the credentials of the writer and
Speaker:the strength of their arguments.
Speaker:People need to argue, talk, discuss about our civilization and
Speaker:how it's being organized, but we don't, it's impolite to talk about
Speaker:news, politics, sex, and religion.
Speaker:I remember again, going back to hitch him talking to someone and there
Speaker:is a classic putdown of his, and he says, it strikes me, I'm sorry to
Speaker:have to say this, that you have read nothing of your opponent's position.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:And he said, effectively, if you can't succinctly put your
Speaker:opponent's position into words, you shouldn't be having the argument.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You should know both sides of the argument before you have it.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:In the chat room, are you having dinner parties, meetings with people?
Speaker:Will you actually argue stuff with people about, I reckon Mel does.
Speaker:Surely you know, I feel like I go to things.
Speaker:I went to a function of 60th birthday on Sunday at this brewery in
Speaker:Brisbane, and introduced a few topics.
Speaker:You were being the weird uncle again, weren't you?
Speaker:Yeah, I was.
Speaker:I feel like I'm the only time people ever come across these discussions.
Speaker:Like this guy started to say about Russia blowing up the dam.
Speaker:And I said, well, how do you know they did anyway?
Speaker:They kicked something.
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:In the chat room, tell me, do you have discussions where you actually talk about
Speaker:the sorts of things we talk about on this podcast with people and argue and discuss?
Speaker:I'm, I'm interested to know.
Speaker:I think, I think there's a lack of it.
Speaker:So, all I get is a work meetings.
Speaker:Oh, God chose off on one of another, one of his friends.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So if people couldn't see through Schmo Johnson or Trump obvious
Speaker:charlatans, how are they meant to evaluate even simple policies?
Speaker:How is the average person, I suppose to look at the house crisis at the moment?
Speaker:House prices, rents you know, they might hear something like
Speaker:oh, let's give people access to their superannuation to buy houses.
Speaker:Like that's gonna come up over the next 18 months.
Speaker:And I think it's a really bad idea cause it's just gonna lead
Speaker:to increased prices fairly.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:Juice media, honest government ads did a thing about that.
Speaker:Did they?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Again, at this 60th birthday, we got to house prices and somebody
Speaker:said, well, it's all about supply and demand and sort of walked away.
Speaker:Cause I wasn't actually in the mood, but okay.
Speaker:Supply demand plays a, a role, but with housing you've got interest rates.
Speaker:Low interest rates leading to people borrowing the maximum they can borrow
Speaker:from the banks, increasing the price.
Speaker:You've got vacancy rates we talked about where there was like a million
Speaker:properties on census night that were just vacant, which we haven't had before.
Speaker:We've got our tax laws that incentivize people to have multiple properties.
Speaker:We've got a culture in Australia of home ownership that is quite strong
Speaker:compared to some other countries.
Speaker:And we've got record low public housing, construction.
Speaker:Like there's a whole bunch of issues in there that as nuanced
Speaker:and complicated and intertwined.
Speaker:It's just not easy for people.
Speaker:You need to do a lot of reading to get across all of those things.
Speaker:It's not easy.
Speaker:So, in the chat room Mel says, most of my robust discussions are with
Speaker:colleagues, mostly conservative, but usually well informed, and
Speaker:it helps me hone my arguments.
Speaker:Lol.
Speaker:So Andrew watches a run on YouTube.
Speaker:Dunno what that is.
Speaker:Ron says, I'm finding these days people just want to hold forth.
Speaker:They don't want to discuss.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I hope I'm not holding forth these things.
Speaker:I tend, I like to think I listen to people.
Speaker:Julius says people don't wanna think about the tough stuff
Speaker:and I think she's right there.
Speaker:It's, it's true.
Speaker:I, I remember my daughter as, as a little one asking questions and I'd
Speaker:say, you know, what do you think you, what, what information do you have?
Speaker:I don't know, dad, just give me the answer.
Speaker:Right, right.
Speaker:That was like tough man.
Speaker:Talking about the Asian student was encouraged to talk about something and
Speaker:he said, just tell me what to say, right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Where am I getting to with this rant?
Speaker:So yeah, our leaders have improved since Morrison Trump and Johnson, but not by
Speaker:much a powerful, rich, and religious.
Speaker:Haven't lost anything.
Speaker:The powerless haven't gained anything.
Speaker:The blatant lies and tabloid shit.
Speaker:Fuckery may have eased, but the policies haven't changed besides bedroom issues.
Speaker:The parties are the same.
Speaker:So I always like this quote from Chris Hedges about whether there's a difference
Speaker:between the Democrats and the Republicans.
Speaker:He said, well, of course it's a difference.
Speaker:It's how you want your corporate fascism delivered to you.
Speaker:Do you want it delivered by a Princeton educated Goldman Sachs criminal,
Speaker:or do you want it delivered by a racist nativist, Christian fascist?
Speaker:And we've certainly got the the Christians here in our.
Speaker:Liberal national party.
Speaker:Ah, look, finally, there's a, besides the housing crisis, Scott, there's a recession
Speaker:coming and Albanese is going to own it.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I reckon, and at the next election, people may not understand all the economic issues
Speaker:in details, but they're gonna feel pain.
Speaker:And I think they're gonna see the greens are offering meaningful relief.
Speaker:Really?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Because the Australians already been touting that we're in a recession.
Speaker:So the Austral, it was one of the Murdoch rags.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I, I saw the headline, something about Australian recession.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And I thought, yeah, what a surprise.
Speaker:Right wing media, left wing government.
Speaker:Well, it was close.
Speaker:The, the quarter that's just finished was like 0.1 of a percent.
Speaker:I know it was very pitiful.
Speaker:It was a very pitiful for performance and God knows why.
Speaker:The RBA thought that, oh, now's the time to jack up interest rates again.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Point two of a percent GDP growth was 0.2 of percent for the margin quarter.
Speaker:They, they're really worried about inflation.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Well, the only way it achieve in by jacking up interest rates as
Speaker:far as they have now, it's only you know, it's maybe we can start
Speaker:increasing taxes on corporate profits.
Speaker:I agree wholeheartedly.
Speaker:You know, that that would be the, probably the smarter way to do
Speaker:it, but you're not gonna be able to get the government to do that.
Speaker:It's one of those things.
Speaker:I just think to myself, the only way that they're going to actually
Speaker:bring demand under control is to have a lot of people put outta work.
Speaker:Now it's already resulted in what was it called?
Speaker:It was called a recession of the households or something like that.
Speaker:They reckon that the households had to cut back their own expenditure
Speaker:to the point that they're saying that it's recessionary type.
Speaker:Of that sort of expenditure.
Speaker:It's one of those things God knows why they are just got their
Speaker:blinkers on, and that is still driving up the interest rates.
Speaker:Well, would you like to hear from the Reserve Bank governor and to
Speaker:hear exactly what he had to say?
Speaker:Yeah, I know what he's gonna say.
Speaker:Here he is.
Speaker:And those calculations that you referred to were based on the assumption
Speaker:that people made no adjustments.
Speaker:So if people can cut back spending or in some, some cases find additional
Speaker:hours of work, that would put them back into a positive cash flow position.
Speaker:It's not to say that there's not very significant stress out there
Speaker:and households at the moment.
Speaker:But as I showed in the chart here that arrears rates remain low, people are
Speaker:affording to, to pay their mortgages even as they roll off from the fixed
Speaker:rate loans to variable rate loans.
Speaker:The arrears rates remaining low, but.
Speaker:The banks are telling us, and this is understandable, that people are
Speaker:having to cut back and sending.
Speaker:And I think that's going to be that the environment we're operating
Speaker:in a while for a while yet people will make their mortgage payments,
Speaker:but they have to cut, they'll be cutting back, sending in other areas.
Speaker:So I'm, I'm hearing he's saying, put food on your table, don't pay your mortgage,
Speaker:and then the r b will cut into his rates.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I think what he is actually saying is that, you know, he, he's basically making
Speaker:a what's the word I'm grabbing for that?
Speaker:He's making a, a He's trying to justify his position of jump jacking
Speaker:up the interest rates the way he has.
Speaker:He said that it's going to impact your expenditure outside
Speaker:of your mortgage payments.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So you can, you can still put food on the table.
Speaker:You can still buy your kids new shoes, but you can't buy them the expensive shoes.
Speaker:You've gotta buy them the cheap shoes and you gotta spend as
Speaker:little as humanly possible.
Speaker:And that is the whole point.
Speaker:It is just one of those things.
Speaker:It is starting to hurt now though, and as the interest rates go up
Speaker:and as the mortgage payments go up, it's going to hurt even more to the
Speaker:point that people are going to then eventually end up selling their homes
Speaker:and they're going to not get as much for them as they were hoping for.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There's still a lot of people on fixed cheap rates that
Speaker:haven't gone the variable yet.
Speaker:They are going to, I think they're calling that the cliff, aren't they?
Speaker:They're saying that they're gonna fall off that cliff this year.
Speaker:Yeah, so our RBA refuses to accept that increased corporate profits
Speaker:has a significant effect on this, and they're basically blaming wages
Speaker:and apparently in their report.
Speaker:According to an article by Bernard Keen in Crikey, he says, the report in
Speaker:devoted an entire section of its most recent statement on Monterey policy
Speaker:to discrediting the argument that profits played a significant role.
Speaker:So our reserve bank is focused on blaming wages for inflation, but
Speaker:according to Bernard, keen and Crikey elsewhere in other countries, central
Speaker:banks are actively engaged in the debate about the role of profits.
Speaker:So, let me just see here.
Speaker:The European Central Bank released research showing that the latest
Speaker:increases Driven by both unit labor costs and unit profit unit profits.
Speaker:Unit profits increased by 9.4% in the fourth quarter and contributed more than
Speaker:half of the domestic price pressures.
Speaker:So European Central Bank is acknowledging the role of corporate profits, whereas
Speaker:our reserve bank is refusing to.
Speaker:And the European Central Bank president went further and said, sectors have taken
Speaker:advantage to push costs through entirely without squeezing on margins, and in some
Speaker:cases pushing prices higher than justified by the, the cost of their inputs.
Speaker:So the, there was another country there I think as well that had a similar thought.
Speaker:Let me just, lots of them used the lockdown.
Speaker:It's a layoff staff.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And then complain of that increased costs, pass that onto consumers.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:When actually running at reduced costs.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:One of the arguments you'll see is that, okay, there's been increased
Speaker:profits in business in Australia when you look at a chart, but a lot of that
Speaker:is in the mining and energy sector and separate to the rest of the economy.
Speaker:And Bernard Keen says, well, okay, if we admit, if we forget about energy, what
Speaker:other structurally important inputs?
Speaker:And Steve Adore profits have soared.
Speaker:Coles and Woolworths have enjoyed surging profits.
Speaker:The banks have enjoyed higher profits Qantas higher profits.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Department stores higher profits, so.
Speaker:In the spirit of John Cleese he says apart from energy, freight, construction,
Speaker:materials, groceries, interest rates, airfares and retail where is the
Speaker:so-called profit driven inflation?
Speaker:That's a good line from Bernard King.
Speaker:So, so yeah, our reserve bank, ignoring profits, other reserve banks are accepting
Speaker:that they're playing a role in inflation.
Speaker:And if you see the argument, well, it's all about the resource
Speaker:energy sector, super profits.
Speaker:Remember all those other sectors that have had strong profit growth, it's
Speaker:gotta have some impact on inflation, but nobody's gonna address that.
Speaker:It seems, I could have sworn though, read something today that they reckon that the
Speaker:outrageous profits and that sort of stuff that the mining companies were making are
Speaker:on the way down because the The per ton price of coal and the barrel of oil has
Speaker:gone back down dramatically, hasn't it?
Speaker:I think some of that has, yes.
Speaker:I, I'm not sure what commodity prices.
Speaker:I think some of that has dropped down.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But here's what I like about Crikey, at least on this one, is okay, that was a
Speaker:argument run by Bernard Keen in Crikey.
Speaker:And then there was another argument run by Adam Schwab also in Crikey,
Speaker:basically saying, eh, Bernard Keen's sort of exaggerating what
Speaker:the real cause of inflation is here.
Speaker:He's missed the real point, and I'm about to explain what he suggests the real point
Speaker:is, but I think it's quite refreshing that in the same publication you've got
Speaker:people solve a problem, but having a different view and you just gotta work
Speaker:your way through and try and figure out who's right and So he admits that Keen was
Speaker:correct in a sense that some businesses are making the most of the situation
Speaker:and fattening their profit margins.
Speaker:He said in normal times, unless you've got a monopoly, a business that tries
Speaker:to increase prices is gonna lose market share as customers switch to competitors.
Speaker:But what has happened recently is that businesses without monopoly
Speaker:pricing have been able to increase prices without losing customers.
Speaker:And the reason is that following the global financial crisis, we
Speaker:had a decade of gluttony where debt levels massively expanded.
Speaker:And in 2020 when the economy should have contracted, covid came along and
Speaker:governments lost their collective minds.
Speaker:Encouraged by much of the media politicians chose to lock up their
Speaker:population, which had the effect of significantly slowing economies.
Speaker:And to avoid being voted out by people, governments undertook the
Speaker:most aggressive fiscal stimulus in modern history in Australia.
Speaker:290 billion was created and handed to all sorts of people,
Speaker:and that didn't get returned.
Speaker:When the pandemic ended, all that money remained in the system.
Speaker:So inflation, he says in its most basic form, is too much
Speaker:money chasing too few goods.
Speaker:So the covid related stimulus created a torrent of cash.
Speaker:And unlike previous decade of monetary policy largely causing asset prices
Speaker:to skyrocket it materialized in higher consumer goods and service costs.
Speaker:So cust corporations have been able to fatten their profit margins because
Speaker:their customers have more money to spend.
Speaker:That's an interesting.
Speaker:Angle to it.
Speaker:I, I, I disagree.
Speaker:I think.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:The, the, the biggest benefits of Job Keep was Qantas was hard, hardly
Speaker:normal, who did really, really well.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:By the average people not being able to get out, I don't think it
Speaker:created zombie businesses at all.
Speaker:I think a lot of small businesses died out.
Speaker:I think the zombie businesses were Harvey Norman and Qantas, and, and the
Speaker:ilk who got huge amounts of government money and the people who needed it, you
Speaker:know, I, I think the 12th man needed it.
Speaker:I, I think that was one of his major arguments against the lockdown was
Speaker:that he suffered personally and he wasn't seeing government large s it
Speaker:was the, the corporations that saw the, the large s and note that got
Speaker:that money hasn't been paid back.
Speaker:I think I agree with you, Joe.
Speaker:I don't think it did trickle down to the consumer level.
Speaker:I think it stayed at the corporate level.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:So probably Keen's correct.
Speaker:And swabs probably incorrect.
Speaker:Well, I, I, I think the government bailouts could well be the cause
Speaker:of the inflation, but they'd never got to the poor people.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But you know, and that's all punishing the poor people is the wrong place.
Speaker:You should be going after the corporations.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There would different sectors in the boomer sector.
Speaker:Let's, let's pick on baby boomers again.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Who have had their asset prices increase mm-hmm.
Speaker:And their superannuation, you know.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:They haven't been spending money on overseas holidays and they've had
Speaker:their sort of, every Boomer I know is currently overseas at the moment.
Speaker:They're all, they're all there.
Speaker:They're, Facebook is littered with people.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:In Europe traveling around.
Speaker:So I think there was a bit of pent up money to be spent by those people
Speaker:who weren't going on holidays.
Speaker:There was a lot of holiday money, for example.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Unspent that went into vehicles, people bought caravans and yeah,
Speaker:there was a big shortage of vehicles.
Speaker:I, I think some sectors would've benefited from, from boomers having
Speaker:spare money that they couldn't spend as they were locked up.
Speaker:I think there's a little bit of that at some point, but yeah, you, you're right.
Speaker:The general Joe Blow.
Speaker:I, I, I think not traveling into the city, not commuting five days a week
Speaker:what's it, $8 a day in train alone?
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:So $40 a week, times that by 50 weeks, two grand a year.
Speaker:So it's another two grand in my pocket, which was discretionary spending.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And, and yes, of course there was the need to upgrade the home office.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Because I'm working from home now, so I, I think spending patterns did shift, but
Speaker:I don't know that people had more money.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Anyway, good to hear some arguments about what's going on.
Speaker:Dear you listener, if you get the show notes, read through it yourself and figure
Speaker:it out as to who you reckons most likely.
Speaker:Correct.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I think there's gotta be a bit to both of those arguments.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Now, just backtracking, if you guys are with the notes, head
Speaker:back to Greg Sheridan's picture.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Back up that way because ABC has lost its way and Green's mp, max Chandler Mather
Speaker:appeared on the Insiders Program and.
Speaker:David Spears was questioning the questioning Max about their housing
Speaker:policy and I've got a link on the show notes or just Google it, you'll find it.
Speaker:He was, he was, his view was always, well, if you do that, then this
Speaker:terrible thing's gonna happen.
Speaker:Or you can't su seriously suggest this, or, you know, you
Speaker:don't really mean that, do you?
Speaker:Or of course if you do that, that's gonna cause a problem here.
Speaker:He was very combative in his approach to what the screens guy was saying.
Speaker:And Scott, I have to say that the Greens mp, max Chandler,
Speaker:ma Mayther was all over it.
Speaker:He was good.
Speaker:He was one of the most impressive politicians in Australia that
Speaker:I've heard in a long, long time in terms of being over the topic.
Speaker:The detail wasn't drawn to the side issues that Spears wanted to go to.
Speaker:Brought it back where he wanted to when necessary.
Speaker:Didn't dodge the questions, gave good answers.
Speaker:I thought he was excellent.
Speaker:I think you know, cuz when before I said you know, next election, the greens are
Speaker:gonna, people are gonna listen to the greens and they're gonna feel the pain.
Speaker:And I think you grim a little bit, but I think that, that
Speaker:Max can, he can sell a story.
Speaker:If people listen to him for 10 minutes, they'll go, okay,
Speaker:that guy understands this shit.
Speaker:Like, he obviously does a lot of door knocking, talks to a lot of people,
Speaker:and he's also got a lot of stats and figures and facts right on the
Speaker:tip of his tongue ready to go and ready to throw back at David Beers.
Speaker:He's very, very good.
Speaker:Yeah, I've got noted about that.
Speaker:He was he's in Brian's electorate.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Brian calls him the 12 year old.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:One of those things, I think at the time I said that if you had teal independence up
Speaker:here, Griffith would've fallen to a teal and Brisbane would've fallen to a teal.
Speaker:And the one out in the western suburbs, which named Escapes
Speaker:me, would also have Teal Ryan.
Speaker:Ryan, yes.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I don't think those three would've been picked up by the Greens, but Max has
Speaker:probably got this seat for at least two, possibly three terms, because he
Speaker:understands his electric very well.
Speaker:His electric's got a, a large number of people that live in it that don't
Speaker:own the properties they live in.
Speaker:They've got twice the number of rent of share accommodations in that, in that
Speaker:seat compared to what other seats do.
Speaker:So I think he's.
Speaker:I think he's, by giving him the housing portfolio and that sort of stuff that
Speaker:he's got with the Greens, they certainly have chosen him for the right reasons.
Speaker:He has got, he's right across the, he's right across it.
Speaker:He's got everything under control and he's really hammering it.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So I think to myself, well, they've probably done the right
Speaker:thing by giving it to him.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I think people listen to him, the renters and people who aren't comfortable
Speaker:in the housing market are gonna go.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:That sounds good.
Speaker:So, there was an article in the shot by this guy talking about a little
Speaker:bit about that interview, basically saying how David Spears really took the
Speaker:conservative line in questioning him.
Speaker:And and, and that's, you know, yes.
Speaker:It's, you've got on the one hand, Greg Sheridan's of the world, who
Speaker:are the extreme right wingers.
Speaker:And then you've got like the David Spears and Patricia Cavalli of the
Speaker:world who are not so extreme, but they appear center because of the
Speaker:extreme right that's given so much airtime, but they're really promoting
Speaker:a, a very center righteous viewpoint.
Speaker:And this is out of the abc.
Speaker:So, so yeah, have a look at that on YouTube.
Speaker:Max Chandler Mather on Insiders was very impressive.
Speaker:And there was an article in the, in the Saturday paper this one was cost Samarius
Speaker:ended 14 years working for labor as a strategic and campaign director years ago.
Speaker:But he doesn't mind giving his old employer labor A bit of advice.
Speaker:And in a nutshell, it's this housing is a huge issue with voters.
Speaker:Labor's policy response is not cutting through and the
Speaker:greens are coming to get them.
Speaker:So he's currently part of a polling research and strategy outfit.
Speaker:And that's what the focus groups are telling him.
Speaker:And he says that for people under 45, housing is just as
Speaker:important as climate change.
Speaker:I, I think labor really is no longer the party of the people.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And, and yeah, maybe the, the rank and file is Yeah.
Speaker:But certainly the people at the top just do not reflect the average working person.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, so that was him.
Speaker:I won't go into that in detail.
Speaker:I think what Koons, is that a lady or a, or a bloke?
Speaker:No, it's a bloke.
Speaker:It's, yeah, it's a bloke.
Speaker:You know, I think he's I think he's hit the nail on the head
Speaker:over the Housing Future Fund.
Speaker:It's I think it's gonna be lost on the general public.
Speaker:They're not going to understand what it's about and that type of thing.
Speaker:And you know, I think Max Chandler, whatever his name is,
Speaker:you know, the 12 year old has also got a very good point there.
Speaker:He said if you, if you look at the way the Future Fund performed last year and
Speaker:you compared that to, if you compared that to the same thing on a 10 billion housing
Speaker:future fund, then you would immediately have the amount of money you were
Speaker:spending on public housing every year.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:You know, it's one of those things and one of the arguments that I've heard him
Speaker:say before, which was very powerfully put, he said, you know, you don't fund health,
Speaker:you don't fund education like that.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Why the hell would you fund housing like that?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:He's very good with that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Now that is a very good point.
Speaker:You know, I, I just, because he's saying it's a punt on the stock market.
Speaker:If it's bad idea for the stock market, then no.
Speaker:Housing not, there's no housing.
Speaker:It's funded.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:He says, we don't do that with other essential services.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:He's right.
Speaker:Yeah, I know.
Speaker:He's right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's one of those things, I, I think the Labor Party is trying to, you
Speaker:know, just say, look, we can be just as, we can just be as financially
Speaker:conservative as the tourist were.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, anyway, that's housing.
Speaker:That's Australia and the R B A.
Speaker:Let's look a little more internationally and we're gonna
Speaker:get onto Ukraine and Nazis.
Speaker:And given the transcript of what we're about to discuss, is gonna
Speaker:be referring to Nazis a lot.
Speaker:I think I'll just delete this from YouTube as soon as I finished recording it.
Speaker:Just save myself getting struck off.
Speaker:Cause clearly we couldn't talk about Jews and Nazis without
Speaker:being anti-Semitic or pro-Nazi.
Speaker:It's probably what the claim will be.
Speaker:So anyway, let's just dive in and see where we end up.
Speaker:Ah, Julia says, Scott, you can keep calling Max the 12 year old, but
Speaker:he's listening to and communicating effectively exactly what you're saying.
Speaker:Julia, I agree wholeheartedly with you.
Speaker:He's listening to them and he's making a very good point.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:You know, it's just something that I just, I couldn't remember his name, so
Speaker:I just referred to him as a 12 year old.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Alice says, Max's whiteboard video is excellent, and Broman says Barry Jones
Speaker:labeled the Labor Party, the tepid party.
Speaker:In his last book, you can see why Julia makes the point.
Speaker:Max is a renter himself.
Speaker:He understands That's true.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:That's a reason.
Speaker:Perry Jones, the former yes.
Speaker:Science minister.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yeah, he's disillusioned as well.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Let's talk about the Ukraine for a little bit.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:In New Zealand, new Zealand's National Radio broadcaster is conducting an
Speaker:internal investigation after evidence emerged that an employee had edited.
Speaker:Wire reporting on the Ukraine War to add Russia friendly phrasing.
Speaker:So instead of just taking the Reuters wire service and doing a copy and
Speaker:paste, somebody at New Zealand Radio National had the temerity to actually
Speaker:insert some words of their own.
Speaker:And there were four articles and in the articles in question,
Speaker:there was a range of amendments.
Speaker:Adding the word coup to describe the Madan revolution.
Speaker:Changing a description of Ukraine's former pro-Russian president to read pro-Russian
Speaker:elected government, adding references to a pro-western government that had been
Speaker:that had suppressed ethnic Russians.
Speaker:And on several occasions adding references to Russia's concerns
Speaker:about neo-Nazi elements.
Speaker:I mean, it's not completely over the top ridiculous added commentary.
Speaker:You know, in one article, a paragraph was added reading, the Kremlin also said
Speaker:its invasion was sparked by a failure to implement the mince agreement.
Speaker:Peace Accords designed to give Russian speakers autonomy and protection and the
Speaker:rise of a neo-Nazi element in Ukraine.
Speaker:Since a coup ousted a Russia friendly Ukrainian government in
Speaker:2014, that's all true, like Russia.
Speaker:The Kremlin also says that, I mean, that's what Kremlin says.
Speaker:There's nothing false about that.
Speaker:That is what the Kremlin side of the story is.
Speaker:And it starts off with the Kremlin also said, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker:So that was fair enough.
Speaker:Another added that Russia launched its invasion claiming that a US backed
Speaker:coup in 2014 with the help of neo-Nazis has created a threat to its borders
Speaker:and had ignited civil war that saw Russian speaking minorities persecuted.
Speaker:Well, again, it starts with Russia claims, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker:So person adding these paragraphs, at least with those things is really
Speaker:saying, well, here's what the Russians are saying, they're gonna, all the
Speaker:coals and sacked are adding that, you know, you've got to you've gotta stick
Speaker:to the, the, the accepted narrative.
Speaker:Even in the New Zealand National Radio broadcaster, heaven forbid that you,
Speaker:I mean, the number of times, I bet they have two sides, two sided, a
Speaker:story to bring in the pro and the con.
Speaker:But not on this issue.
Speaker:So I thought that was an interesting sort of censorship taking place in
Speaker:the New Zealand public broadcaster.
Speaker:Just a reminder, by the way, 2021, Maurice Payne, she canceled a former
Speaker:Australian soldier's passport because he was planning to fight with a
Speaker:notoriously neo-Nazi as of battalion.
Speaker:Do you remember that?
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So can I remember that?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No one's allowed to suggest that there are Nazis in the Ukrainian armed forces.
Speaker:I, I was gonna say, there are Nazis in the Ukraine, the vagner battalions there.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:We, so we actually canceled a guy's passport and wouldn't leave,
Speaker:leave the country because he was gonna fight with the neo-Nazi as
Speaker:of battalion in the Ukrainian army.
Speaker:But now if people want to suggest there's some nasty Nazi elements in the
Speaker:Ukrainian military, just a no-go zone, like even I'd forgotten that incident.
Speaker:But this goes to show where we were thinking what we were thinking about.
Speaker:I, I remember the documentaries about the as of battalion and the Neo-Nazism.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So, so there's that article about think tanks that get quoted in the
Speaker:media dealing with the Ukraine war.
Speaker:There was a study done of those and it found that media outlets have cited think
Speaker:tanks with financial backing from the defense industry 85% of the time, or seven
Speaker:times as often as think tanks that do not accept funding from Pentagon Contractors.
Speaker:And the media outlets rarely identify the conflicts of
Speaker:interests that are entailed there.
Speaker:So, so many of these think tanks funded by fence forces or contractors in military
Speaker:supplies, and they get quoted in papers and they say things that are, we need to
Speaker:spend more money on this war in supplying more munitions without being required to
Speaker:de, to declare their conflict of interest.
Speaker:Happens all the time.
Speaker:Happens on the ABC all the time where they have representatives
Speaker:from Asbe or whatever.
Speaker:Come on.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:We had the Nor Stream pipeline.
Speaker:Who done it.
Speaker:And the prevailing narrative was that the Russians blew up their own pipeline, but
Speaker:they could have easily just switched off.
Speaker:Now we've got the car, car, Kafka.
Speaker:Damn as Nova.
Speaker:The Nova, let's just call it the Nova.
Speaker:The Nova Nova means new.
Speaker:So Nova . Okay.
Speaker:And it's been attacked and with a result that floodwaters have now
Speaker:entered the area below the dam.
Speaker:And the prevailing narrative is that all the Russians did it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Que bono means who benefits and well, who benefits from this?
Speaker:The people who argue the Russians did it say, The Ukrainians are about to launch an
Speaker:offensive against the Russian lines, and this is going to hamper that offensive.
Speaker:Other people would say, forces them its choke points.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Other people would say, well, the water supplies from that canal
Speaker:that's fed by that dam provides 85% of crimea's water and supplies.
Speaker:However, if Russia expected to lose the crime in peninsula mm-hmm.
Speaker:In the upcoming battle.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Then it would be in their interest to cut off water supplies to the Crimea.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And they have to do that before the battle even begins.
Speaker:No, the the, the reason they do it before the battle begins is to stop them
Speaker:crossing the nepro further downstream.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And force them into choke points where they can put lots of reinforcement.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I would've thought the Crimea is, is where Russia would, would give
Speaker:up almost any of the territory that it's gained except the Crimea, cuz
Speaker:of its importance for the shipping.
Speaker:They might, but the point was they, they realized that they couldn't keep
Speaker:the crime Crimea with Alan Bridge.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So you think on the Cubo argument than the Russians did it.
Speaker:Cause they had, they had more to gain by that.
Speaker:There's also another fact, which was they'd already let
Speaker:water out of the dam Right.
Speaker:To a certain point and then they closed the gates and with the winter,
Speaker:or sorry, the spring thoughts, the gates, which the Russians control.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:The waters are now at the highest level they've ever been, from the
Speaker:lowest level they've ever been.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:So the people who were controlling the amount of water
Speaker:in the dam was the Russians.
Speaker:And if you wanted to create a downstream flood to force troops into
Speaker:choke points, in other words, to stop troops crossing, then you'd want as
Speaker:much water in the dam as possible.
Speaker:I thought the Ukrainians controlled dams upstream of this one.
Speaker:Possibly.
Speaker:I dunno.
Speaker:But this particular, see I had the exact other opposite, was that in fact the
Speaker:Ukrainians had allowed extra water to flow through into the dam, the dams that
Speaker:they controlled upstream of this one.
Speaker:But then, but then, but then why didn't the Russians let the water
Speaker:out rather than building it up to the highest level possible?
Speaker:I dunno.
Speaker:Cause they'd like to have a full dam.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:Somebody is saying that Chatter suggests the dam failed you to
Speaker:neglect by the Russian occupiers.
Speaker:I, I thought the seismographic monitoring had shown that it was
Speaker:actually caused by explosions.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Did you hear about the interview with General Andrew Cav Ka
Speaker:Chuck in the Washington Post?
Speaker:So this is this is from the 29th of December, 2022.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And he's interviewed in the Washington Post and it reads, Kacha
Speaker:considered flooding the river.
Speaker:So he's a he's the Ukrainian general of some sort.
Speaker:He said that they considered flooding the river, the Ukrainians.
Speaker:He said even conducted a test strike with Amar's launcher on one of the floodgates
Speaker:at the Nova Kaka Dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the water
Speaker:could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings, but not flood nearby villages.
Speaker:The test was a success, he said, but the step remained a last resort he held off.
Speaker:So back in December, 2022 in an interview of the Washington Post.
Speaker:Yeah, major, a major general.
Speaker:The Ukrainian army says, you know, we thought about blowing up that dam.
Speaker:We had a test and put some holes in it.
Speaker:Well, they blew up d dam's north of Kiev to stop the, so,
Speaker:so when the, when the military.
Speaker:Flow was in the other direction with the Russians advancing.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:The Ukrainians thought about it.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:However, this is just before the Ukrainians start to do their counter
Speaker:offensive and push Russians back.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But, okay.
Speaker:The Ukrainian counter offensive mm-hmm.
Speaker:You really think it's a thing?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:You do.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:They're not going to sit on the leopard tanks from Germany or the aprons,
Speaker:tanks from the Yanks and not use them.
Speaker:You don't think that the, what's been going on so far is that the
Speaker:Russians give up territory, allow the Ukrainians back in, bond the shit
Speaker:outta the territory and move back in.
Speaker:Like, it seems like the Russians are, are, have been mounting fairly clever strategy
Speaker:in recent times where they actually give up towns, let the Ukrainians back in, bond
Speaker:the shit out of 'em, and bond their supply lines and then, It and it sort of makes
Speaker:it easy for them to group them together.
Speaker:You, you actually, you actually think the Ukrainians are capable of
Speaker:a successful sort of counterstrike.
Speaker:They, they have unsee, they have done incredibly well so far.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:This is something that was supposed to be over a fortnight.
Speaker:Well, exactly.
Speaker:And, and the Russians have proved how they're on, on paper.
Speaker:They were the second biggest army in the world.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And in reality there had been so much grift going on that what existed
Speaker:on paper didn't exist in reality.
Speaker:I think the Ukrainians have been taking a pounding over the last few
Speaker:months and they're just, it's a, just a meat grinder of young Ukrainian men.
Speaker:And I don't think the Russians at all are worried about it.
Speaker:Anyway, here's the point.
Speaker:I reckon there's arguments.
Speaker:See Trevor, we will have to wait and see, because I think myself,
Speaker:that it has started, but it's not a, it's not a, its full strength yet.
Speaker:They're probably probing for the Russians to find the weakest point, and
Speaker:then they're gonna smash through you.
Speaker:You've got whole battalions and that sort of stuff that are armed and equipped
Speaker:with Western material, which has not been committed to the battle yet.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So once they get committed, then, then we're gonna find out who's actually right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Here's the point.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:There's arguments on both sides point.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:Where there are, nobody knows really who is responsible for blowing up this, Dan.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But the prevailing narrative, if you read anything, is of all corrupt Russian.
Speaker:The Russians blew up.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And they're, you know, there's good arguments to say, well,
Speaker:actually it was the Ukrainians and that's not what you did.
Speaker:It could been either side of them.
Speaker:Either side could have blown it up.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, that's right, but that's not what you hear.
Speaker:If you are reading the Guardian, yeah.
Speaker:Read any mainstream paper news, Western paper media source, you are getting that.
Speaker:Of course the Russians did it, and you've gotta dig around a little
Speaker:bit to find the counter arguments.
Speaker:And I'm not saying it's, it's not like Nord Stream, which to me is
Speaker:pretty clear that Russia didn't do it and the Americans did.
Speaker:After all they said they were going to.
Speaker:But it is one where you can say, look, there's arguments both ways.
Speaker:We won't know.
Speaker:You can't be sure.
Speaker:. Ah, moving on.
Speaker:Roger Waters.
Speaker:Any Roger Waters fans here?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:On the panel?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Does he look and smell like an anti-Semite to you, Joe?
Speaker:Anybody who calls him an anti-Semite is not aware of his body of work.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Well, Siria Stama, oh, I'm aware.
Speaker:Leader of the Labor Party in the uk wrote to the Board of Deputies
Speaker:of British Jews and said, thank you for bringing this to my attention.
Speaker:I found the examples listed in your letter of instances in which
Speaker:Roger Waters has clearly espoused anti-Semitic views to his audience.
Speaker:Highly disturbing.
Speaker:There is no place for anti-Semitism anywhere at any time, and those who
Speaker:hide behind the excuse that artists in the entertainment industry should not
Speaker:be held to the same standards as others are utterly wrong, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker:See, I disagree.
Speaker:He might've espoused anti-Zionist views.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I don't think he's espoused anti-Semitic views.
Speaker:Of course he hasn't complete opposite, but people conflate anti-Semitism and
Speaker:anti-Zionism the same as they quote criticism Islam with Islamophobia.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So it's hiding behind the religion.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Or, or, sorry, hiding behind racism to avoid valid criticism.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So let's just play a little bit of what's Roger Waters
Speaker:describing, what is going on here?
Speaker:Two minutes.
Speaker:The narrative that I'm an anti-Semite and that I'm promoting
Speaker:fascism by wearing a leather coat.
Speaker:And I'm cavi symbols, which are crossed hammers, by the way, S or anything
Speaker:that is literally Nazi third, Reich German, 40 years I've been to 40 years.
Speaker:Every single year, almost between 1980 and now, I've been doing bits of that show.
Speaker:Why now?
Speaker:Why suddenly now would people be picking up and going?
Speaker:He's wearing a replica of a Nazi uniform on stage.
Speaker:He's obviously glorifying the Third Reich and Nazim.
Speaker:He's doing that as part of his general attitude, which is that he hates
Speaker:Jewish people all over all the press in the Western world, everything.
Speaker:Roger Water's, antisemite glorifying nazim, wearing a thing.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Well, if we could deconstruct that little bit in my piece.
Speaker:The wall at the end of the.
Speaker:Fascist bit in the film, it's Bob Gildor when he is the fascist leader.
Speaker:He's singing all this stuff, which I wrote about who they are, the forces of evil,
Speaker:and they're in the song waiting for the worms they're waiting to take over the
Speaker:world, waiting to cut out the deadwood
Speaker:Pink.
Speaker:Bob Gildor internally realizes that he's made a terrible mistake
Speaker:by wanting to become a powerful demagogue and rule the world.
Speaker:That's why he tries himself in the trial.
Speaker:He tries himself for having become a Nazi.
Speaker:So how you can transmogrify this work of theater into me glorifying the
Speaker:Third Reich and Nazim Beggar's belief.
Speaker:It's all a little bit too nuanced.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:For most, for many people, including Sir Keith Starer.
Speaker:Well, if he's dressed up as a Nazi, he must be antisemitic Nazi.
Speaker:It, it just reminds me of the whole Scottish comedian.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:We, with the dog he talked to put its paw up when he said, guess the Jews.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And, and the police hunted around to find a Jewish group that could be offended
Speaker:by it so that they could prosecute him.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:It's just the, it, you know, it, it might have been a joke in poor taste, but the
Speaker:whole point was the, the juxtaposition of something atrocious and this cute
Speaker:little puppy doing something atrocious.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:It, it was no way glorifying it and, and this blatant misunderstanding
Speaker:just to make a political point.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:I've mentioned before that I feel that Tide has turned a lot on the
Speaker:state of Israel with the, with the words Apartheid really seems
Speaker:to stick as to what's going on.
Speaker:That's the way they're behaving.
Speaker:And I think that's causing damage to the Israeli cause
Speaker:worldwide in terms of acceptance.
Speaker:And so Roger Waters has a theory on why is he being attacked now when
Speaker:he's been doing this for 40 years.
Speaker:So, and he's been vocal about Palestine for the last 10 at least.
Speaker:Yes, indeed.
Speaker:So here he is, and suddenly now, You are all going, oh, it's anti-Semitic.
Speaker:It's this, it's that.
Speaker:The other why now?
Speaker:Well, I know the answer and if anybody would listen to me and you are listening
Speaker:to me, I can tell you the answer.
Speaker:The Israeli government sees me as an existential threat to their settler,
Speaker:colonials, racist, apartheid regime.
Speaker:That is why now.
Speaker:And they've done everything that they can think of to discredit me.
Speaker:I'm definitely deleting this from YouTube,
Speaker:tingling soon, saying, what is this video about?
Speaker:Please explain yourself.
Speaker:You've used these words way too much so, yeah, he speaks very well.
Speaker:Tim's a really likable guy.
Speaker:Richard Waters same.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Mel says, go.
Speaker:Roger Ramen says it's no accident that Israel was one of the main supporters
Speaker:of the apartheid regime in South Africa providing armament training
Speaker:to their secret police, et cetera.
Speaker:Oh, here we go.
Speaker:And Mel, not to banging on about the Labor Party, but in addition to voting
Speaker:down motion supporting Orcas the left also supported a motion to recognize
Speaker:Palestine for the Upteenth Upteenth time.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:Keep the comments coming.
Speaker:Mel was probably convincing me more and more that I should join the Labor Party.
Speaker:I'm trying to convince you to join the Greens.
Speaker:Well, you're never gonna get that to happen.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But we're definitely gonna help on the North Coast in the next
Speaker:election for the Labor Party as well.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:We did Trump.
Speaker:So he's been indicted fucking idiot.
Speaker:And sometime the next 12 hours or so, he is gonna appear somewhere and he's
Speaker:gotta appear court in Miami, doesn't he?
Speaker:You, you know, if they come for Trump, they'll come for any former
Speaker:government minister that keeps classified documents in their public
Speaker:bathrooms and deliberately hides it from the authorities who ask for it.
Speaker:And he tells his lawyers to do some illegal activity to deny that it's
Speaker:there and then shows it to other people and says, of course it's classified.
Speaker:I shouldn't be showing this to you and I should cheat you for this,
Speaker:and I know I can't declassify it.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah, so there is an indictment, dear listener, which you
Speaker:can read on the internet.
Speaker:There'll be a link in the show notes.
Speaker:It's quite, it's, it's quite good reading actually.
Speaker:It's all politically motivated.
Speaker:Yeah, it was all the set up.
Speaker:It's not in Lee Lee's it pretty much dispels out the fact that during his
Speaker:time as president, he collected all of these documents that he took them
Speaker:with him when he left the office.
Speaker:A lot of them are about military secrets.
Speaker:It seems a lot about nuclear armaments plans, possible plans
Speaker:to attack another country.
Speaker:Weaknesses, pros and cons of the defenses of different countries,
Speaker:including the United States.
Speaker:Lots of military secretive stuff.
Speaker:And it's clear when you read the indictment that he was in a conversation
Speaker:that was recorded with his consent, cuz I think it was about a book deal
Speaker:that were discussing what he was.
Speaker:What they could do in a book deal.
Speaker:And so part of some of his most terrible admissions are like, he's telling people,
Speaker:oh, check out this secret document.
Speaker:You know, I shouldn't be showing it to you, knowing his, so that's recorded.
Speaker:Clearly, his lawyers at the time have turned on him because they have clearly
Speaker:provided evidence of conversations.
Speaker:He's, he's gonna end up in a court in Florida and the judge who's going to hear
Speaker:it, is going to be one of his appointees.
Speaker:A apparently he said to somebody, oh, they paid God, who was the
Speaker:president before him, Obama.
Speaker:Oh, they paid Obama, however many dollars for the return of these
Speaker:classified documents that he had.
Speaker:He was angling for a payout.
Speaker:From what I can understand, he took this classified information on the
Speaker:grounds that the US government were then going to pay them to get them back.
Speaker:Pay him to get them back.
Speaker:Well, okay.
Speaker:Well that was not in the indictment.
Speaker:No, it wasn't in the indictment.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's worth reading if you got the time and Yeah.
Speaker:But it's gonna be heard in Florida and the judge hearing it is an appointee of Trump.
Speaker:The one, the one who already demanded a special moderator.
Speaker:What was it?
Speaker:The right who was the, when they originally went in to
Speaker:search through his stuff.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:They wanted somebody to go through and, and make sure it
Speaker:really was classified material.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So the judge put this person special counsel, I can't remember.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So it's the same judge again that got admonished last time.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So she's very pro-Trump is the pot in, in front of any.
Speaker:Half normal judge, you would say Trump is completely sunk reading the indictment.
Speaker:There's no way he could get out of it.
Speaker:It's terrible.
Speaker:He's a traitor.
Speaker:He's a complete traitor.
Speaker:Showing and keeping these documents and then, you know, the bathroom that was
Speaker:held in and the ballroom that was held in these, the facility, anybody could have
Speaker:come in and, and found these documents.
Speaker:There was a great tweet by David from conservative commentator who said, I
Speaker:was about to say he's conservative.
Speaker:Yes, any hostile foreign intelligence service that failed to steal US
Speaker:secrets from Trump's Mar-a-Lago stash owes its taxpayers a big refund.
Speaker:I reckon there would be some.
Speaker:Foreign intelligence services that didn't, and they'd be getting
Speaker:their asses kicked right now.
Speaker:Like their superiors would be saying, why didn't we have someone
Speaker:in Mar-a-Lago going through that?
Speaker:Even friendly foreign intelligence services.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yes, sure.
Speaker:As egg, surely the Chinese hold of it, surely it was literally there's
Speaker:thousands of people would've had an opportunity to just walk through,
Speaker:unlock doors and go into these boxes.
Speaker:Incredible.
Speaker:So with any normal judge, he'd be completely sunk.
Speaker:Who knows Anything is possible with Trump.
Speaker:Who knows, but it's a very, very damning indictment.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:What else have we got?
Speaker:Cuz we're nearly at nine o'clock, which would be a good time to finish would
Speaker:be just briefly on essential poll.
Speaker:That's still holding firm with the voice at 60%.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:40%.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:And it's been more or less that way for the last for this
Speaker:one and the three previously.
Speaker:So I thought barely steady.
Speaker:I thought it'd just been announced this morning that the percentage for Yes.
Speaker:Had gone down below the 50% mark and the percentage for Yes,
Speaker:percentage for no had gone above 50%.
Speaker:That was on a news poll or a, or gotcha.
Speaker:A another obscure poll.
Speaker:So the essential one is being consistently now at 60%.
Speaker:So, there's that and oh, they had an interesting thing about
Speaker:social class identification.
Speaker:So, do you consider yourself to be any of the following upper
Speaker:class, middle class, working class?
Speaker:None of the above and don't know.
Speaker:So, upper class Australians, about 4%.
Speaker:I think they're upper class, 49%.
Speaker:I think they're middle class, they're 30% think they're
Speaker:working class 10%, none of these.
Speaker:So, and if you are young, you are more likely to consider
Speaker:yourself upper class and otherwise everything else was pretty similar.
Speaker:So that was essential poll for this week.
Speaker:Oh look, and just very quickly seeing with Pat Robertson.
Speaker:Oh yes, sorry.
Speaker:Pat Robertson noted Evangelical preacher in the us.
Speaker:Passed away.
Speaker:I, I saw a cartoon which had death in front of the, the grabby machine.
Speaker:You know the one you put them?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And, and pulls out Pat Robertson and goes Bloody hell.
Speaker:Can't it be Henry is, has Henry Kissinger even in this thing?
Speaker:Oh, that would've been good.
Speaker:That is good.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And then somebody else, Matt mentioned Bescon.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:All the good ones going.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, hat Robertson Bescon was actually mourned by President Putin.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Course he was.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Pat Robertson he talked with Jerry Falwell shortly after nine 11 Bastard School.
Speaker:Blame the blamed the terrorist attack on the pagans and the abortionists and the
Speaker:feminists and the gays and the lesbians.
Speaker:He implied Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for abortion.
Speaker:In 2010 after the Haiti earthquake that killed over a hundred thousand
Speaker:people, he said Haiti's founders brought the earthquake on themselves
Speaker:because they declared independence from France and after the Wisconsin
Speaker:Sikh shooting that killed seven people.
Speaker:He blamed it on atheists and people who hate God.
Speaker:In actual fact, that shooter was a white supremacist with ties to neo-Nazis.
Speaker:You thought Nazism would be such a thing?
Speaker:Yeah, I know.
Speaker:It's this day and age, it's really comes up everywhere.
Speaker:It's coming up everywhere in Britain, Australia, the United States and the,
Speaker:these were all countries that were, we jumped on that bandwagon first.
Speaker:The anti-fascist bandwagon.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:It's always been a small but vocal minority.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I don't have a recording, but putting mis tweet.
Speaker:Including this tweet, vice Regal songbird, Linda Hurley said to
Speaker:be hard at work on her rousing new ballot of Ben Robert Smith.
Speaker:Though insiders say she's having trouble finding a rhyme for
Speaker:amputee in the comments people have said proud military legacy.
Speaker:Good work.
Speaker:No sense of humanity.
Speaker:He murdered an amputee.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So there we go.
Speaker:Let's, of course her husband was involved in Ben Robert Smith.
Speaker:So he was chief of the Australian Defense Force and appears he may
Speaker:have misled the Senate regarding a handcuffed prisoner who was shot dead
Speaker:by an Australian Special Forces Officer.
Speaker:So General David Hurley told an estimates hearing.
Speaker:It was a combat related death, but a previous secret internal defense
Speaker:report said the man was shot when the Australian officer was left
Speaker:alone in the room with the prisoner.
Speaker:So her husband has some involvement in that sort of thing.
Speaker:And I reckon that will probably do, unless you guys had something
Speaker:pressing you want to talk about.
Speaker:It's not really pressing.
Speaker:Just that bloke that sent you that complimentary email and that sort
Speaker:of stuff last week, saying that he disagreed with you on Russia.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:One of the mates up here.
Speaker:So Lloyd, how are you?
Speaker:And also Oh, okay.
Speaker:Special.
Speaker:Hello to Matt too.
Speaker:Cause I only just told him about the podcast.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Very good.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Well do listener.
Speaker:Our, our listenership is not increasing, so you might think of just telling
Speaker:your friends That would be good.
Speaker:You might think about becoming.
Speaker:A patron, cuz I've lost one or two in the last couple of months.
Speaker:Pretty steady, but still not growing.
Speaker:If you're not a patron and you've been listening to 15 to 20 episodes,
Speaker:you kind of know what you're getting.
Speaker:And so it does help.
Speaker:And that would be good.
Speaker:Go to the website or look at the link in the in the
Speaker:description on your podcast app.
Speaker:Pony up.
Speaker:I'm almost outta grog.
Speaker:That's it.
Speaker:And Joe's Mixer blew up the other day.
Speaker:Probably needs a new one by the sounds of it.
Speaker:So, yeah just to show your support doesn't have to be a lot.
Speaker:What else is there?
Speaker:Yeah, tell your friends.
Speaker:Need a few more listeners.
Speaker:That would be good.
Speaker:Alright, well, alright.
Speaker:And also we've got chapters.
Speaker:So if you look at your podcast app, you'll see all these things are in chapters.
Speaker:So if you like to segment, you can go back to it.
Speaker:If you wanna skip a segment, you can.
Speaker:And John says he's sharing stuff on Twitter.
Speaker:That's good, John.
Speaker:Thanks for that.
Speaker:Alright, well until next time, we will talk to you later.
Speaker:Bye for now.
Speaker:It's a good night from me and it's a good night from him.
