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Episode 348 - Inflation - Don't blame wages

In this episode, we discuss the real causes of inflation and why Australia must decouple from America.

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Welcome back to your listener, the iron fist and the Velva glove podcast is just

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a small intimate affair on this occasion.

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Just myself and Joe, Joe, how are you?

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I'm good.

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And you I'm.

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Well, Thanks.

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So dear listener we're recording this on a Monday night because I've

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got family commitments over the next couple of nights, and then

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I'm away up in CAIRs for 10 days.

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So.

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Joe, and I are recording a podcast which will probably be split into two segments.

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And so the half that you hear next week, if something astounding

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happens in the world and we don't mention it, it's because we

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prerecorded it about a week earlier.

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So yeah, so bear with us as Joe and I settle into our

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chairs and attempt a podcast.

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For up to three hours.

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I'm missing we a chat already.

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Yes, it is.

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Yeah, it would be good to have the chat.

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We'll old school podcasting without without a chat.

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See how we go.

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So I'm a little bit worried dear listener, because I fear this episode

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could turn into a rant where I just bemoan everything going on in the world.

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Could be a little bit negative, but we'll try and intersperse it with some

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positive things if we can, but it's just, it can't always be happy times.

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Can it, there we go.

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I've got some notes here.

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What's going on.

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I wrote as a headline in my notes and the answer is not

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much yet a lot or everything.

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The Morrison government was such a shit show.

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We became obsessed about his government, which I think was a cross between

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a train wreck and a clown car.

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It seems to me just had tragedy and comedy and patheticness all rolled into one.

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And he's only gotten better since he's got out of office.

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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Hasn't he's been, he was at Margaret courts.

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He was

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church.

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Yes.

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Telling everyone not to trust the government.

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Yes.

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That he was prime minister of and is still.

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A member of parliament

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of, yeah,

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absolutely.

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Yeah.

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We'll get onto that.

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People were, I've been saying for ages that when he stands in lectern, he is

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channeling the preachers that he's admired in his song and evangelical churches.

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Like he, to me was always channeling a preacher and He's

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gonna wanna employ this guy.

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There's no self-respecting top Australian company.

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That's gonna want it's more Australia.

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Apparently they put him on.

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No, no, No.

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He wanted to get in the NL and other stuff like surely they

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won't touch him with a barge pole.

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He'd hope it's wrong.

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His post politics career.

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We'll be trying to be some sort of evangelical preacher.

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I reckon that's what he said.

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Either that or on the voice on the voice.

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Yeah.

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One of the, one of the ship posting Facebook, things I follow has said

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basically that every winner of the voice of the last, however many

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years has been a member Hillsong.

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Of course, yeah.

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He'll get lots of votes from.

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Goes on.

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Yeah.

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They'll rally the troops and yeah, dodgy up the voting system.

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That's a chance.

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But yeah, we've been obsessed with the Morrison government over the last

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12 months that I have been anyway.

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And rightly so, it was terrible.

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It's time now, dear listener, to look at the bigger picture.

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How is the world going?

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How is our society?

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Where is our civilization in its lifecycle?

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That's why this episode's gonna be depressing.

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The answer is not good.

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Climate change.

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We've got overheated share and property markets propped up by dysfunctional

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debt, rising interest rates on that debt falling wages in real terms

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are failing capitalist system with no alternative being discussed.

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Rampant misinformation, Christian nationalists.

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Historic inequality, creating a futile billionaire class, a system that bailed

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out wall street in 2008 and 2019.

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And one year after record profits now wants to crush workers with

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rising interest rates, rising inflation and frozen wages.

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We've got an unnecessary and avoidable cold war with Russia and

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China brewing into a hot war and.

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We've got left wing leadership that is unable to inspire and

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activate a working class revolt.

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Your friends who are podcast recently were all about the

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working class revolt weren't they

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. Yeah, but they were unable to inspire

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Ideas were crazy.

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I'm talking of a revolt.

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I'm talking about a revol.

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At the voting box, Joe, right?

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Not in the streets.

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Yeah.

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I Labor seemed to have this idea that they won the last election and I have

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to say, I don't know that they did.

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I think that the liberals lost the last election.

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And I saw a big swing towards the green, so I think the

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greens won the last election.

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They did.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think people are going.

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You de facto you're better than the liberals, but given a choice,

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we wanted a bit more movement

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yep.

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Yeah, I think that's right.

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And it's hard to criticize the labor government at this stage because

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they're really just getting there the feet under the table, although

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there will be some criticism coming up, but they've gotta have.

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Time to work a few things out time to make a few mistakes . But

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for all those problems, they're all genuinely where we are at.

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We're like, this is a difficult time in, in, in our, in the life cycle

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of this particular civilization.

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I think I blame Ronald Reagan and Margaret Satcher and Ruper Murdoch

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probably should have put Rupert Murdoch first, but I blame all three of them.

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So John Howard.

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He's a little bit player in the skin.

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He followed what they did.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But I think in terms of the Australian yes.

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Following suit, it was John Howard who put Reaganomics into

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practice.

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Yes.

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Although I'm starting to wonder how much to blind the whole

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and Keating years as well.

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I'm just, I have to examine a bit more closely but.

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They struck the accord and they opened up the Australian economy.

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But, there was a lot of industry that was just abandoned that in

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hindsight, maybe we should have been subsidizing and keeping if possible.

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And so I'm just not entirely sure now how I feel about the Keating hockey

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and the, and I'm just not sure how much selling offer stuff they did,

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then I have to look at it more closely.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, I would Howard in there with.

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Interesting

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thing to me about Maggie is I actually heard a minor saying to

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me that Margaret Thatcher invented climate change because she wanted to

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shut down the minds during the mind worker strike back in the eighties.

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Oh,

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because she's famously pro sort of climate change action.

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Yeah.

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She was a chemist.

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She actually understood this own

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and the minor was saying she was doing that to put pressure on the.

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That's interesting

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during the mind worker strike back in the eighties.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What do you think of that?

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Do you agree with it?

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I think it's a conspiracy theory personally,

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but yeah.

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Could be something in it.

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That's interesting.

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Yeah.

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You wouldn't.

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No, I think

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there's, I think there's enough evidence out there to prove that humans are causing

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climate change by burning fossil fuel.

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Yeah.

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Whether she latched onto that as a useful thing, that's possible.

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I don't know.

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Hadn't thought of that.

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I

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just thought it was interesting to hear it as a conspiracy

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theory.

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Yeah.

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It's one of the better conspiracy theories or better theories going around there.

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I don't know that either.

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That's that kind of, even if she was, genuinely in favor of taking action

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on climate change, she would've loved the fact that it made things

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difficult for the minors yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's true.

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Okay.

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So I think we're gonna kick off talking about inflation and interest rates, and

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then we're gonna talk about some foreign policy issues, China Ukraine, and indis

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disperse it with a bunch of other stuff.

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But before we do that, just briefly Couple of episodes ago.

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I mentioned, I really want people to put their hand up, to meet with their

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local member, to talk about religious instruction lessons, and particularly

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in inner city, Brisbane, electorates, where there's a strong non-religious

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vote revealed by the last census.

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And we'll help you.

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Nobody's put their hand up yet.

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So if you're out there and.

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You've got nothing to do, or you have lots to do, but you feel

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the issue's important reach out.

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And particularly if somebody in Anastasia CHES electorate, it would

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be really good to have somebody go there and talk to her and find out

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where she stands on this issue.

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It's hard to gauge what her personal view is.

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Myself and others are starting to work out different.

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Politicians and where they sit on this issue, but it's

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hard to read Anastasia palace.

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Show's personal position on this.

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So it'd be good if somebody could talk to her and just before we get into

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it as well, I enjoyed my discussion with Carl Fitzgerald last week.

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He was talking about land banks and developers, drip feeding, or

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drip releasing rezoned property.

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Keep the market price up.

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You mentioned a book.

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Yeah.

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You haven't read the, you haven't seen the episode yet, but you mentioned

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a book we were talking about.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Game of mates written by a UQ and a university of Sydney professor.

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And it's about corruption in Australian politics, but a very strong

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section around land use and local councils and the coziness between

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developers and council planners.

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Talking about the revolving door of people, leaving council, going into work

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for a developer, and then coming back after five or 10 years and working back

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in council and just a level of, without.

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Without avert bribes, just a level of friendliness.

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And the whole game of mates was not about cash in paper bags as yeah.

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Has happened in the past, but more just these people being friends

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and doing favors for mates.

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Yep.

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And those favors are at the cost of the average Australian.

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Yeah.

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So there's a similar story about a revolving door with coal mining industry.

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Operatives working in Canberra.

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I think it was Michael West report did something on that showing just

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how these people for a few years would be in industry for a few years would

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be a ministerial advisor back into an industry back as advising and just.

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There was this group of people in and out of government and the mining industry.

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So yeah, I can easily imagine a similar thing at council level with developers.

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So is that an old book game of mates?

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Is it how old is it?

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It's gotta be five years old now.

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Okay.

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Yep.

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Anyway.

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Story wouldn't have changed.

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Yeah,

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no I think, look, it's as relevant now.

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And there were some interesting suggestions.

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The biggest one was a lot of overseas experts, cuz they're talking about, you

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need time in industry to understand the industry and you need to become an expert.

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But what effectively they were saying was council should be hiring from overseas.

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So there aren't

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these vested interests.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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All right.

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Inflation and what's happening with the economy and the responses from different

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groups and I'm not sure how much we've mentioned about this in the past.

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So maybe a little bit of repetition, not sure, but you.

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What we've got.

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Dear listener is inflation is which has been dormant for

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years, suddenly raised its head.

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And in response, the reserve bank has said, gotta raise interest rates,

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gotta fix that and gotta deal with this inflation by rising interest rates.

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And sure enough, they're all starting to rise.

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And is this the appropriate response?

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What has caused inflation?

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What's really going on.

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Do we just to have to accept what these people are telling us or can

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we work it out for ourselves in the same way that we became experts on

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lockdowns and the effect on the economy?

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And we became experts on Ukraine and NATO.

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Well, Now experts, I am at least on inflation and interest rates.

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I'll

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do the best.

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Did you see the Chase's comment chases have.

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No it was employees tell CEOs that they can't afford a pay rise this

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year because of inflation and its CEOs wages causing the inflation.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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They should be.

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That's where we're at.

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So let's look at some charts and statistics.

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If you are watching this on the video, you'll see a chart on your screen,

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which this came from Sally McManus, who.

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Head of the labor movement in Australia.

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And it's a chart showing the labor's share of labor as opposed

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to capital L a B O U R share of GDP.

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And you will see that it peaked in about 1975 or so, and then has been

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on a decline since, that's the share of gross domestic product and more

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importantly, or as important is the next slide that'll come up, which basically

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shows profits index and a wages index.

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Assuming they started at the same point in 2002, and a very slow,

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incremental rise for wages and.

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And a real strong rise for profits, particularly since 2016.

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So this is wasn't that when

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Scotty got into

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yeah, would've been around, he was with us for a bit over three or four years,

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maybe a bit before Scotty, wasn't it.

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Just a little bit before Scotty, perhaps.

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ES essentially.

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What we've got is profits far out stripping wages.

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So companies and profits have been doing very well overall compared to wages.

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So that's a key sort of,

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I was quite shocked.

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I saw news.com had reposted or had written an article based on

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an Australian Institute report.

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As opposed to the IPA.

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Yes, which was saying the real cost.

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Sorry.

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The real effect of inflation, only 5% of inflation was due to labor costs.

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Yes.

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I've got it in the list here, somewhere.

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The Austral Institute.

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I'll get to that one.

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Okay.

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I think it's somewhere list here, but I was just shocked to see it in

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news.com.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Slipped in somehow.

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So I got a bunch of commentators talking about different things.

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First off is Michael Hudson who is talking about America, which is doing

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the same thing, inflation fair, raising interest rates, and it exactly the

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same scenario happening in the states.

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And so Michael Hudson says to wall street and its back as the solution

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to any price inflation is to reduce wages and public social spending.

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Rising unemployment will oblige labor to compete for jobs that pay

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less and less as the economy slows.

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This class war doctrine is the prime directive of neoliberal economics.

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Public discussion of today's inflation is framed in a way that avoids blaming the

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8.2% rise in consumer prices on the Biden.

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Administration's new cold war sanctions on Russian oil, gas, and agricul.

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Or on oil companies and other sectors using these sanctions as an

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excuse to charge monopoly prices.

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So your listener, a large component of the inflation is the rising cost of energy,

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both directly where people buy energy to heat their homes or drive their vehicles.

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But it's used, you know, freight costs in shipping stuff from China.

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It's used to create.

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Fertilizer it's, there's so many things where you increase the cost of fuel.

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It has a an add-on effect in something that you may not

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necessarily associate with fuel.

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And that's, a big part of that is the sanctions on Russia and fuel companies.

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Charging huge profits as a result because of monopoly situations,

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Joe Robert Reich was talking about the fact that all these oil companies in

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the states have gone, oh we need to open up federal lands for drilling.

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And it's not a shortage of oil.

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And these oil Wells that they're talking about prospecting for are gonna

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take five to 10 years to come online.

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By which time who knows what the oil pricer will.

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Indeed, but they basically just want an excuse to to open up more oil Wells.

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Yes.

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And peel back previous restrictions.

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And they're using this as an excuse to do that.

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Yes.

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And it's the workers who are going to end up paying the price.

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They don't turn around to the companies and say, stop this monopoly price gouging.

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They just say to workers, oh, you have take code.

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The UK did on C.

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With their price gouging.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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With with the type of resourceful profits tax profits.

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Yeah.

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More of that please.

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So still continuing with Michael Hudson COVID shut down of the us

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and foreign economies and foreign trade also is not acknowledged as

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disrupting supply lines and raising shipping costs and hence import prices.

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The entire blame for inflation is placed on wage earners and

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the response is to make them the victims of the coming Auster.

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As if their wages are responsible for bidding up oil prices, food prices, and

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other prices resulting from the crisis.

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The reality is that they are too debt strapped to be spend thrifts.

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The pretense behind the Fed's recent increase is that raising interest

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rates will cure inflation by deterring borrowing to spend on the basic needs

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that make up the consumer price.

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But banks don't finance much consumption.

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Banks lent almost entirely to buy real estate stocks and

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bonds, not goods and services.

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Some 80% of bank loans are real estate mortgages.

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And most of the remained loans are collateralized by stocks and bonds.

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So raising interest rates will not lead wage earners to borrow

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less, to buy consumer goods.

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So that's true.

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And he makes a point here, the Democrat party the party's identity politics.

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Address, almost every identity except that of wage earners and

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debtors his passing aside there.

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So that's initial comments on the us situation by Michael Hudson saying

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that a lot of the inflation is just increased fuel costs, brought it

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out by sanctions and price gouging.

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Then we've got crikey had an article and it said that rising profit

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levels among the Australian corporate sector has been identified as one

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of the key courses for increasing inflation levels across the country.

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A new reporter shown so rising profit levels amongst.

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The corporate sector research from the Australia Institute has revealed

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increasing profit levels amongst companies and not increased wages

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for workers had been contributing to rising inflation rates.

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The report found wages made no contribution to inflation in

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Australia during 2019, 2020, or in the following year 2020.

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The most recent financial year.

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So wages only make up 0.6 percentage points of the 4.1%.

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Richard Dennis from the Australian Institute said, despite concerns from

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employers and business groups, increased wages would contribute to rising costs.

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The data showed that the increasing profits were a major factor for inflation

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it's profits, not rising costs that are driving Australia's inflation.

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He said, it's a shortage of competition, not a shortage of skilled labor.

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That's driving up the cost of.

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Interestingly

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I read, I think it was a article about

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gas prices.

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And they were saying that the Queensland government, because of

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its hands off approach where they refused to build a state owned

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infrastructure for the L and G pipe.

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basically, there were three consortiums that ended up each building their own.

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And because of that, they were overextended and therefore couldn't

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afford to sell their gas onshore because they had to pay for this infrastructure

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that they all independently built.

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Rather than sharing the infrastructure.

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Yes.

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And so that's added costs on, which has basically made gas more.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Even if they wanted to, they wouldn't sell it locally at a cheap price.

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Yeah.

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Basically they were saying that the state should have built the infrastructure

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with control with stipulation.

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Yeah.

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With the stipulation that they could divert gas as needed to the local

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market.

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Because I think Russia is showing that if you can control

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pipelines, it comes in quite handy.

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Yes you can put a lot of pressure on it.

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Yeah.

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Keep control of.

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Here's a broad worldview by Yiannis Forfar.

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So as dear, listen, I've got a bit of a man crush on Yiannis.

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Think he's great.

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Okay.

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Yiannis says, so what is really going on half century long power play led by

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corporations wall street, governments and central banks has gone badly wrong.

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As a result.

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The west authorities now face an impossible choice.

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Push conglomerates and even states into bankruptcies or allow inflation

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to go unchecked for 50 years, the us economy has sustained the net exports

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of Europe, Japan, South Korea, then China and other emerging economies.

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So basically for 50 years, all this stuff's been going into the us

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economy while lion share of those foreigners profits rushed to wall

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street in search of high returns.

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On the back of this tsunami of capital heading for America, the

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financiers were building pyramids of private money, such as options and

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derivatives to fund the corporations, building up a global labyrinth of

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ports, ships, warehouses, et cetera.

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When the crash of 2008 burned down these pyramids, the whole financialized

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labyrinth of global just in time.

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Supply change was imperiled.

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To save, not just the bankers, but also the labyrinth itself.

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Central bankers stepped in to replace the finance's pyramids with public money.

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Might remember quantitative easing.

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Meanwhile, governments were cutting public expenditure jobs and services.

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So we had socialism for capital and harsher disparity for li not just

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constant to be using those bailouts.

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Yes.

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Money just appeared.

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Literally just appeared wages, shrunk and prices and profits are

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stagnant, but the price of assets purchased by the rich skyrocketed.

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It was a new power game.

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The traditional struggle between capital and labor to increase their respective

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shares of total income through markups and wage increases continued, but was

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no longer the source of most of new wealth after 2008 wealth triumphed in

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equity and real estate markets, which had decoupled from the real economy.

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Then came to pandemic, which changed one big thing.

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Western governments were forced to channel some of the new rivers of central make

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central bank money to lock down masses.

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And as the lockdown multitude spent some of their furlough money on scarce

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imports prices began to, and corporations with great paper wealth responded by

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exploiting their immense market power.

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To push prices higher through the roof.

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And after two decades of central bank supported Bonanza of soaring, asset prices

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and rising corporate debt, a little price inflation was all it took to end the

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power game that shaped the post 2008 world in the image of a revived ruling class.

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So what happens.

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Probably nothing good to stabilize the economy.

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The authorities first need to end the exorbitant power be showed upon

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the very few biopolitical process of paper, wealth and cheap debt creation.

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What Yiannis is getting out there is that money flooded into the

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system that money was used to.

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It was so cheap that the top end of town could borrow cheaply buy stuff in the.

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And that cheap money caused a bubble of in, of inflated property and equity

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prices, because what are you gonna do?

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Interest rates are at zero.

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You can borrow stuff at 1%.

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You may as well be buying equities and property, and that pushed up the price.

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And that's where we're at now.

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So that's one of the aspects of where we got to.

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right then I've got something from the Saturday paper and

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let's see, what does it say here?

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I'll try and shorten it a little bit.

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So profits are now the highest ever share of Australia's GDP while

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wage shares are at historic lows.

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A recent analysis of Australia's national accounts by Greg Jericho

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from the Australia Institute found company profits increased by 25.3%.

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Over the past year.

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Over the past two years, profit margins increased by 40.3% while

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wages increase by just 7.4%.

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So they have a dear listener in Australia in the past two years.

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Look, forget about your mom and dad, businesses selling coffee and cakes.

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Think of big corporations, profit margins increased by 40.3% while

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wages increased by just 7.4%.

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And now with some inflation they're gonna around it's wages who are

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told, oh, I could freeze . Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think of some corporations that did very well under lockdown, particularly

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those in retail, online retail.

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And I can't see that they're bearing any of the blame for this

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inflation and yet it is them that.

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We don't get enough of this commentary in mainstream media.

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So as it says in this article yet the notion that wage growth is the

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major driver of inflation continues to persist in the public consciousness.

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There was journalist Philip Corey's infamous claim that pecking

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wages to inflation would be a one way ticket to the via Republic.

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Likewise, Andrew Mackellar chief executive of the Australian chamber

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of commerce and industry said small business cannot afford.

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Minimum wage rise of more than 5% in such increases would

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cruel jobs not create them.

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Meanwhile, broadcast a Wallied alley described Waag nation

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as the bitter medicine that might keep inflation in check.

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So as you just rating stuff the commentary is just talking about, oh,

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it's gotta be wages, a bit of inflation sniffing around, crack down on wages.

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Couldn't possibly allow wages to keep up with inflation.

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And and really Australians have to say, no, that's not how it should work.

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Why just have to keep up in real terms, at least with inflation.

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And that's what the The railway strike in the UK was all about with that.

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Those clips I played a few weeks ago where they were saying they're

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just keeping pace with inflation and they're fighting for it.

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What else have I got here?

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So yeah, it just says here, fact check on aisle, two wages

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do not increase inflation.

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Unless they increase faster than inflation and productivity combined.

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And in reality, wages have been flat or declining in real terms for more

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than a decade business commentators and corporate economists pedal the

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same tired orthodoxy blaming wages for higher inflation and even evoking

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fantasies of wage price spirals.

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I'm fairly sure that in fact, I know that at the end of slavery in the us,

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the slave owners complained that it would force businesses out of out of business.

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Yes.

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Because they couldn't afford to run their cotton farms without slaves.

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Yes.

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I think they still did.

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Okay.

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Afterwards somehow.

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They got huge amounts of reparation.

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At the end of the day, if your business is run by stealing from your employees,

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should it be running?

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Yes.

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And the thing is if you are selling coffees and cakes and you're thinking,

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ah, I've got these staff and I can't afford to pay him an extra dollar

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an hour or whatever it was, you've gotta think of who are your clientele?

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If they have an.

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Money in their pocket, they're able to buy the coffee.

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So you have to think of your clientele as well as your as your employees and costs.

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And know, it doesn't matter if inflation goes up five or 10%, if

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if you can maintain your sales if people have that money to spend.

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This article goes on to say that part of our problem in Australia

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as well is that we've got a lot of monopolies and oligopolies.

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We've got a lot of industry in Australia where there's only a two, three or

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four players in the game and they can easily basically control the pricing.

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And really we're talking about inflation.

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We've talked about profits increasing well above.

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The rest of the of the economy.

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One of the answers is you should be doing stuff to break up monopolies

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and increasing competition to drive down those profit margins.

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That's an anti inflationary step that the government can take.

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It was interesting to talking to friends in the UK who are in the supermarket

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business and they were talking about.

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The percentage of market share that each supermarket has.

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And the biggest supermarket in the UK has less than 30

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something less than 35% anyway,

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market share.

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Yep.

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So there are so many different supermarkets that there

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is sufficient competition.

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Yes.

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Whereas over here, there's the Coles and wooleys an Aldi is a

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very small part of the market.

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And IGA is

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minuscule.

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There's just a number of industries like that.

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Alcohol, for example, it's incredibly small number of players in the market

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selling beer at the end of the day.

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Be surprised how small the market is.

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Yep.

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Okay.

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And there was a, this article goes on quote uh, Sims, who was.

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Formally with the uh, a C and he's calling for more work to be done in

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terms of dealing with monopolies.

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And there's another article here, which will be in the show

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notes for people who are patrons talking about the reserve banks.

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So part of what's happening here, dear listener is it's the reserve

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bank that is raising the cash rates.

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In order that this increase will be passed on by the banks in its lending.

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And I've had a bit of an argument with off the record.

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I think it was with Paul, who was on the podcast a few weeks ago about the

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RBA, because I was saying, this is such an important function of our economy.

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Why are we outsourcing it to the reserve bank?

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Like the politicians should be in charge of this.

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I dunno that it actually makes sense to.

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To have an outside sort of force involved, but there's a really interesting article

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that talks about the people who are on the reserve bank board really are not

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qualified in terms of monetary policy.

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They're just people who have been in business.

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And if labor's in charge, then there might be some union people on there, but

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they're not people with actual experience and qualifications as economists.

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In monetary policy.

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And in fact, the more you know about this stuff, the probably the

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least likely you are to actually get on the reserve bank board.

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The treasurer trying to think of his name on labor's side he's announced

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this is gonna be some inquiry into the reserve bank and how it operates.

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And I think that's a good idea because.

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At the moment, it's just run by guys who have run businesses or

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guys who have run unions and people with real expertise in monetary.

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It matters they're not on the reserve bank board.

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And it, it seems to me a very crazy situation that we've outsourced

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to a group of people who don't necessarily hold any qualifications.

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. Yeah.

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I I understand outsourcing it, but surely you outsource it to

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the experts rather than leave it in the hands of the politicians.

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Ultimately like our defense, we say to defense experts, draft up a white paper,

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tell us what you think we should do, but at the end of the day, we'll then

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make the decision and live or die by it.

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At least I, yeah, I still think it should be a role of government rather.

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I think they could make a recommendation, but then the government

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should be responsible for it.

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So anyway, while I have a drink and refresh my throat, they've got a lot

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of that was to do with capitalism as part of the problem here.

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I've been digging up some of our land and hard bottoms, old stuff, and I thought

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I should be replay a bit more of it.

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So let's intersperse this with a little bit of land and hard.

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What's that my love, what am I doing?

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Well, I'm going to write some love poetry.

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Well, Of course, I'll let you read it when I'm finished.

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Um, O capitalism.

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Some say you are a prison, but to them, I do not listen.

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Some say you have put millions in the ground, but to that I say Hmm,

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they were mostly brown in you.

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There is no gloom as people consume and the economy booms profits are maximized

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and to no, one's surprise those of us on.

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Get to keep the lot.

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Well, Landon there's one for the

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Thank you, Landon.

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Best part of that.

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Landon was your little ham as you started off.

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That was a good comic timing.

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I like that Landon.

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That's a little bit about interest rates and inflation and how we're being

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hoodwinked, but it just can happen anyway.

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Isn't it?

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Talk about, we're talking about big picture on this episode, I

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promised I would depress you and win and rant and complain.

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So let's talk about foreign affairs, foreign policy what's going on in

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the world in terms of conflict.

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What's America doing China, Ukraine, Australia, Chinese affairs.

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let's try and summarize where we're at at the moment.

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And Joe, the bits I'm reading in the media is in terms of our

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relationship with America, labor seems to be still all the way LBJ.

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Yes.

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It's just continues the comments and things that you seem to see.

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Of course, we are just going to be the laptops of America into the

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foreseeable future, and they just don't want to cut loose unhitch the wagon.

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We are just tied to them.

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There's lots of countries in the Asia Pacific region who you just

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have an independent policy who keep themselves separate, and we

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just have convinced ourselves.

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that America is going to save us from the evil Chinese.

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There is the whole Anglo thing.

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Isn't there?

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English speaking friends will support English, speaking

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friends against those Asian.

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It's like the five I's.

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Yeah, there, there seems to be very much a we trust English speaking countries more

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than we trust those bloody foreigners.

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Yes.

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And yeah, because we have a shared heritage of British colonialism.

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Yes.

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At some point, please labor grow up and recognize as Keating like you all

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general fact at the alter of poor Keating.

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He's been telling.

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Australians for the last 30 years, we've got to be an independent,

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strong, an independent voice is actually where we'll get security, not

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from being this lap dog of America.

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It's just gonna get us into trouble.

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But they the comments that are coming out have us still hitch to the wagon.

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And, I've got such an issue with this because.

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The Americans are such freaks and oh, they've gotta protect

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us from the evil Chinese.

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I was talking to my sister-in-law just before the podcast and little

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bit on this, just talking about, oh what, if they invite invade Taiwan

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or whatever, I was like, if China invaded Taiwan full on invasion.

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it still wouldn't add up to what America's been doing around

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the world in the last 70 years.

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Like they're just doing what normal superpowers do and you can't look at

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the Americans actions over the last 70 years and and applaud it in any way.

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Like they've been interfering and throwing overthrowing

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governments left, and center for.

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Since their inception, it's not just the last seven years.

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It's since their inception.

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That is what they are about the American empire.

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And to just be continually saying, oh, we need America to save us from

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imperialism from these other groups.

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What if you think these guys have been doing all this time.

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So that's part of it.

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And the other part is they are in the decline.

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They are not.

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Going to be the hegemonic force into the future that they have been.

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And so start thinking about how the power play will work out

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over the next 20 or 30 years.

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The American empire is in the decline.

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Its only strength is military this stage.

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Actually I'll go into their strengths.

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No.

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I was gonna say their theocracy is a great strong

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point indeed.

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In terms of exporting Christianity is one of their greatest exports.

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Yeah.

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It's particular branch of it.

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Yeah.

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So look, I dunno if I've ever said this before.

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I've found in my notes.

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Maybe I have, but America won the cold war, relying on three power bases,

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financial military, and propaganda power.

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It does seem the

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Chinese are gonna be there though.

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It says now there are chinks appearing in these three

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power bases.

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did I say that?

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Yeah.

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Now there, yeah.

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Financial military and propaganda power.

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So let's look at those powers.

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So militarily it bullied smaller states.

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Obvious invasions include Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, but

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less obvious are the hundreds of interventions where the us supplied

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covert or overt military assistance to governments or rebels that it favored.

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And it is propaganda power to convince the world that these were necessary

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actions to promote freedom and democracy.

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And they're really about promoting the interests of Theo financially,

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the USA bullet everywhere.

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So through us dollar hedge of money and cheap money for us C.

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It enabled us multinationals to buy industrial companies

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and developed countries.

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And through the IMF and the world bank, it forced smaller countries to sell their

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commons on the cheap to us companies.

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And if they didn't agree, it resorted backwards.

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Military power to engineer, regime, change and installed,

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friendly us friendly regimes.

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And then it used more propaganda power to convince the rest of the world

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that its actions were legitimate.

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It propagandized everybody.

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So through cultural Hege money in the English speaking world, it has

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controlled the flow of information through mainstream, Western media, powerful

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American multinational companies benefit from aggressive us foreign policy and

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the mainstream media could not afford to criticize the program, even if it wanted

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to the fear of losing advertising revenue.

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The public has been propaganda to believe that the USA is the home of the brave

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and the land of the free and will not accept fair criticism of us actions.

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So you're right, Joe.

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I did say now there are three cheek.

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Now there are cheeks appearing in these three th faces.

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So militarily Ukraine invasion shows that there's a limit to USA, military power.

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Russia has nuclear weapons and the USA can't respond as it would.

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China has built enough military capacity that it could defend

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itself from a us invasion.

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North Korea remains off limits, or as nukes, these countries have

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tightly controlled their societies.

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So it's difficult for the USA to engineer co attempts.

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So that's a chin in the military power financially.

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The us dollar is losing its Hege money.

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So China, Russia, Iran, India, Venezuela, and other C.

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Are looking to replace the us dollar with a combination of their own

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currencies in gold and the theft of central bank assets, thinking

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Afghanistan, Venezuela, and Russia will accelerate the need to ditch us bonds.

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So the USA does not produce anything of importance to Russia and China.

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They don't need to import us goods.

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They can survive without them.

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They can cut themselves from the USA without too much.

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Russia used to buy grain from the us.

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I dunno if that's still a thing yeah.

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With what happened when they imposed restrictions on Russia?

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Actually I think was Putin who.

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It was an advantage for them.

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They, a lot of industries have actually been revitalized because

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they weren't able to import stuff.

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So they started making their own cheese and all sorts of things.

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They can get away with, they don't need they don't need America.

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They can survive without them.

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It's friend in

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Russia was saying that he can still get his Guinness, although it sounds like.

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He's now drinking the Russian equivalent of Guinness.

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And I'm sure whatever they really need, they can get via China if

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it's something in particular.

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So unfortunately the propaganda power is as strong as ever.

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So America's prosperity has come from bullying, brown people

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and white people don't care.

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However, us demands that Europe stopped buying Russian energy will

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cause grief and resentment in.

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They will object to being cold and hungry.

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They will try to understand what is happening.

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And despite the propaganda, their faith in America may be dented.

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So the benefits of us Hemani has flowed to a small elite within America.

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There are signs that us employees are finally revolting.

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The Amazon union case is an example, hunger and pain may cause some Americans

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to look beyond the propaganda and see the corruption in their society.

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But Americans have been brainwashed for so long.

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I don't think they're capable of pulling themselves outta the mere.

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The Chinese state has restricted us propaganda in China.

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The average Chinese is supportive of the Chinese government and is

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suspicious of us foreign policy.

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And the Ukraine situation simply reinforces that China needs to

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be independent wherever possible.

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So the whole American style capital.

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needs growth.

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And since its inception has relied on conquest and acquisition, they, they

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basically had to conquer the west.

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Then they were basically conquering and acquiring.

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If not, if not in the, the case of installing governments

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and having their own C.

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In Latin America, United fruit and all the rest of it.

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The they've basically run out of countries to exploit at this point.

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And Trump exposed internal dysfunction.

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Ukraine is exposed in the limits of military power and Putin is now

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exposed in the loss of financial power.

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So what does this all mean for Australia?

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Those guys are going downhill.

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The empire is in decline.

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And if we think hitching our wagon to them is the answer.

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We're just kidding ourselves.

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And I'm really worried that labor seems committed to this all the way with LBJ.

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Oh, if somebody sees something in the media where labor

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starts to make noises about.

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Being more independent of the USA.

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Please show it to me.

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I can't wait to see it, but I'm not gonna hold a breath.

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They did

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mend fences with the French.

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Yes, that's true.

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Yep.

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Surely the French should be whispering.

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Surely McConn should have whispered into Albania's ear

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and said, what are you doing?

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You can't rely on those guys.

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Iran loves Macon's probably, I don't know what sort of Frenchman he is.

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Is

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he's not a what it who's the, he's not a go list.

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Okay.

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Who believe in an independent France?

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No.

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Which is why?

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Yeah, that, that was why they got outta NATO.

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Was they didn't trust NATO to protect them.

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They got back in 10 years ago

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now.

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Okay.

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But

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I certainly remember yeah.

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As a child with the cold war still in full flight, that France was not part of NATO.

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France was independent.

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Yeah, probably Maran is us friendly.

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Probably.

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I would've thought so.

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I saw this tweet which said.

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This final season of America has been absolutely amazing.

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It starts with an attack on the capital and ends with a new Supreme court that

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is actively dismantling democracy.

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That's some topnotch writing and it perfectly sets up the civil

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war miniseries that will follow.

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I think at what wrote this, didn't she

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that yes.

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Ted in that way.

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Isn't it?

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Who's that?

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There's a politician there.

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MTG Marjorie Taylor, green.

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Green.

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Yes.

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She openly came out on this thing saying I believe temple fruit loop.

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I believe, we should openly aim to, we are, we should be a Christian

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nationalist country and it's just openly.

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Saying just some crazy shit.

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And she was challenged in her primary, but got like record support and survived.

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And so she's just a complete Nutter.

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That is gonna be fine for another term.

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Didn't

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follow up to find out whether that Marial candidate won the

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Jesus gun's baby's candidate.

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I don't know.

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Just you remember the sign.

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What did the sign say?

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It was on the side of the coach.

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She was driving around and it was literally Jesus guns, babies,

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right?

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Not necessarily in that order.

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There's one politician who said I would kill my BA I would kill my

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grandchildren in order to make sure that this legislation got through

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this antiabortion legislation.

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Like I said, some crazy statement about literally willing to kill

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her grandchildren to make sure.

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If it meant that this legislation would get through oh, elected politicians.

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Yeah.

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Where are we up to?

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It is getting depressing.

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Isn't it?

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I'm mindful of that.

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We're 55 minutes in.

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Yeah, maybe I should end.

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Maybe should end this one.

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Yeah.

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Dear listener.

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Because of technical issues.

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I'm gonna keep this one under an hour.

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And and next week you'll hear from Joe and I we'll really be talking

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about the second part of our conversation, which we 25th of July.

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Yeah.

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Continuing our rant.

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All right, we'll finish this one here.

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Talk to you next week.

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Bye.

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