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Episode 333 - A Firehose of BS

Enough! We need an election to lance this boil of a government.

The topics include:

  • An article by Alison Courtice
  • David Garland
  • CPE qualifications
  • The Australian way of life is collectivist. Lachlan’s ‘freedom’ cry is a US import
  • That Slap
  • Joe’s Topics
  • Vaccine consent case for parents
  • VAD doctor describes what it's like to administer
  • Gonski was a while back, things are still broken
  • Shock-horror. Adani mine isn't bringing many jobs to QLD
  • True cost of fossil fuel subsidies
  • Anti-China Murdoch borrows money from China owned bank.
  • Anglican Church using government aged-care money to pay sex abuse victims.
  • Morrison and Liberals ep 333
  • Post Wedding Revelation
  • The List
  • Sex in the Prayer Room
  • Concetta Fierravanti-Wells
  • It’s not just Murdoch
  • Criticised the federal government for spending money on disaster relief?
  • Our Parliament is a joke
  • Scott Morrison must reveal any text messages from QAnon friend
  • Can’t Rent? Buy a house
  • Scott Morrison says it would have been ‘weakness’ for him to meet new Chinese ambassador
  • Incentives to ‘embrace’ training, digital world
  • 1 Star Reviews for Morrison
  • AAT Appointments
  • Preselection
  • Hillsong Update
  • Medivac Mystery solved?
  • Ash Barty
  • Australian Future Leaders Program.
  • In summary
  • Solomon Islands
  • Seven Mountains on the Gold Coast

Dr. Stefanie Green has now written a book, "This is Assisted Dying: A Doctor's Story of Empowering Patients at the End of Life,"

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We need to talk about ideas, good ones and bad ones.

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We need to learn stuff about the world.

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We need an honest, intelligent thought-provoking and entertaining review

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of what the hell happened on this planet.

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In the last seven days, we need to sit back and listen to the

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iron fist and the velvet glove.

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Well, hello, dear listener, the iron fist and the velvet glove podcast

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episode 333 on the 5th of April, 2022.

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I of course am Trevor AKA, the iron fist with me as always is

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Shay the subversive good evening.

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And J the tech guy evening.

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All right, well, the listener, we've got an enormous number

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of topics on the agenda here.

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Not sure how many we're going to get through before we get.

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Up into a warm bath and slid our risks in despair.

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So in order to just stay sane would probably rattle through some of the

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goings on of Scott Morrison in the last two weeks in a, in a sort of a

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summary fashion, because it's just too painful, otherwise isn't it.

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So we're gonna jump around a bunch of different topics.

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We can talk about just how much it's got Morrison has firehosed us

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with rots mistakes lies in the last two weeks of satanic news, a bit of

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religious instruction, news, chaise, and a little bit of news as well.

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We're going to jump around a whole bunch of things.

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Stay with us if you're in the chat room say hello and already Jack ages there.

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Good on your Jack.

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So well, shy went to kick us off.

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Got any news.

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Yeah, I'm not as despairing as usual because on Saturday I organized

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hosted, facilitated an MSA, a young workers conference, and I had 50 young

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workers there, some union members union officials, people who were just curious.

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So it was a really good day and lots of vibrant, lively

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talent coming up the ranks.

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So, yeah, so we should all be pleased with this guy for this

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conference just from 10 til two.

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Right?

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So it was on a Saturday and the premise was sort of young workers present to young

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workers and give us all a chance to talk about stuff that matters to us without

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having, you know, being lectured to by.

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Obama's it went really well.

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I was wondering where my invitation went because I realized I'm not

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young and I'm not a worker, so,

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and I'm fast aging out of that demographic too.

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So, but it was really good.

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Put them all together.

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So topical issues where climate change, wage theft and yeah, I'm kind of a

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little bit on an automation and a little bit on renewables and transitioning.

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So electricians are moving fast in that area.

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So they got up and spoke about that.

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And what, what did they mean by wage theft?

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What aspect of, so wage theft is like, when that I pay you penalty rates, so

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they don't pay you to award rates, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So there's a lot of that happening to young workers.

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Yep.

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Oh, good.

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Oh, well done that personally speak a fair bit or just other people speaking.

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I just had other people speak.

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Yeah.

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But it did get me thinking today about especially looking at your notes about

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how to get conversations, because I think it is about having secular

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conversations everywhere in any way.

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So for instance, I'm part of the planning committee for Memorial day

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on the 28th, which is a sort of a union event where they what's the

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word, just sort of commemorate.

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The people who've died at work.

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And so there's just a heavy Catholic influence without any real consideration

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about what does it have to since when, why are unions, you know, flirting

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with these ideas still when we don't.

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Yep.

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They're not in line with a number of our other issues that we care about.

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So that's what got me thinking is like, we've already set the date for

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next year's young workers conference.

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And I should start thinking now about how to get a panel or something around

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secularism and have young people start thinking about the pervasive

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nature of religion in our affairs.

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Yeah.

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I'll leave that to you.

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And you can come back.

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Yeah.

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So at a ceremony designed to talk about workers who have died at work and it will,

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it'll be led by a priest and lots of hail Mary's and our father's thrown in there.

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It's so impersonal that stuff.

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I went to a great way um, since we last met and celebrate of course,

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as most of them are these days.

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And there's a really good wedding in that it was so personal.

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There wasn't any religious stuff at all.

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And it was just about the couple, their stories, all the rest of the.

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Really just personal stuff.

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And I always find if I go to a wedding where there's just a prayer

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or something involved, it just depersonalizes the whole thing.

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So Anzac day ceremonies.

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Well, you've heard me ranting about those for years and we'll

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mention that in a minute, actually.

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And yeah.

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So it's interesting.

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We should, we could work on a, you know, a new program for a

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secular union sort of thing.

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Yeah.

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Cause I'm at the table helping the planning.

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Really, my first thought is it should have stories from people

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who have lost people and what happened and what it meant to them.

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And yeah.

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That's should be personal and how it could have been avoided and how it

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should have been and all the rest of it.

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So yeah, stuff about them.

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So documentary to the 40th anniversary of um, the Vulcan.

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Uh, And of the beginning and end of every section between ad breaks, there

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was a scene of the mountains outside of Stanley, and there's a huge bloody

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cross on top of it as a Memorial.

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And I'm thinking how many of those soldiers were actually

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Christians and how many weren't.

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And this was the enduring vision of the whole thing was a very Christian object.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So with this lineup of topics tonight, I was just going to, I came in

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with the thought of just scampering around Willy nilly between them.

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And this is good because we've mentioned Anzac.

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And so I'm going to get in a roundabout way to Anzac day because

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I'm Alison quarter's from Queensland parents for secular state schools.

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Excellent.

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Article did a great article, which appeared in the rationalist

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and it was about the history of religious instruction in Queensland.

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And I'll talk about that in a moment, but what it does mention in the article

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is that there was essentially this guy, David Garland, who was I think it's

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yeah, David Garlon an Irish Anglican who was really the driving force

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of religious instruction lessons in Queensland brought about the referendum.

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But he's out of climbed define is that he was the driving force behind

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the Anzac day ceremony in Queensland.

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And that became like a temp light for other states and even other countries.

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So.

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Let me find this bit about David Garland from this isn't from Alison's

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article it's, it's something else where I'd previously been looking at

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his biography and David Garland and important architect and originator of

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Anzac day ceremonies and rituals Garlon was described in 1924 by acting premier

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WN Gillies as the life and soul of the Anzac day commemoration committee.

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So Garland initiated the Anzac day, March the returned soldiers

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luncheon, the two minutes silence, the reef line ceremonies at memorials

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and the special church services.

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He also began a trustees money raised from antique day badges for the care

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of soldiers, grades at home and abroad.

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Dah, dah, dah, badge, and ceremonies vigorously backed by Garland were

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taken up in other states and to a very large extent in New Zealand and great.

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So the guy behind religious instruction lessons was also the

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guy behind Anzac day ceremonies.

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Two of the things I've been to, the three things I've been rabbiting

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on of it over the last six years.

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Yeah.

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Think he wasn't responsible for it seems was chaplaincy.

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Let's do on how it probably, but this is the strange world I inhabit the

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listener, but I I noted in this article that it said that he died 9th of October,

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1939 and was buried into long cemetery.

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And I thought to myself, I wonder if I could find out exactly where he's buried.

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Do you know?

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You can just go online, look up things.

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I I've got his plot number.

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I've looked at the map.

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I know exactly where he's buried.

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If I win this court case with religious instruction, I am going to.

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Going to that grave and have a quiet moment with him and say, God, Daniel, your

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influence lasted over a hundred years.

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Finally been put to bed if we, if we managed to do it, huh?

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I thought you were going to have a pink mass on his.

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No, it wasn't too bad, but yeah.

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SiteOne cemetery.

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I'll be there if we have a win.

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So so yeah, David Garland, but just getting back to Alison's article

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and Alison is in the chat room.

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Good on you.

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Alison great article.

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And thanks for the mention.

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So she mentioned that religious instruction had its Genesis

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in the 1910 referendum.

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And that basically Garland was just this agitator who was just had zeal

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and organizing ability, convinced the state to hold a referendum.

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It was like a non-compulsory plebiscite.

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The labor party ran dead on the issue again, a little bit scared and.

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The main problem was that just general apathy by everybody,

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everybody except Garland.

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And of course not that many voted for that particular question

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compared to the population in the end, only 28 and a half percent of

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registered voters were in favor of it.

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But that was more than those who were not in favor of it.

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So the government reluctantly introduced that law into our education legislation.

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Prior to that, there had been this conflict between the Catholics and

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the Protestants were, they didn't want teaching in Catholic schools

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because they were worried about Catholic kids being exposed to

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Protestant ideas and vice versa.

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But anyway, Garlon was keen on the Bible and teaching and he got it

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in and it's been there ever since.

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And also.

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Oh, the BT government, 2006, they tried to look at introducing

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sort of humanism as an option.

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So, okay.

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If we're going to have religious in the lessons, let's at least allow

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humanists in to give him an IST instruction and Australian Christian

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lobby and other Christian RI providers manufactured a storm claiming these

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changes would allow witchcraft, paganism and Scientology into the classroom.

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All of, of course are already allowed in the classroom,

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arguably witchcraft, paganism, the Scientology or all religions.

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So they frightened Christians into bombarding, their state members

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of parliament with objections, and the most gobsmacking development

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occurred when they then federal education minister, Julie Bishop.

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Actually threatened to cut off Queensland state school education

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funding if the changes were passed.

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So in shock BD government withdrew, the proposed changes.

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And and of course she mentioned that the news template of site and

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is involved in the current action and that might cause some changes.

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And also during the court case when the barrister Mr.

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Thompson for the government was talking about our desire to run satanic lessons.

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And I'm referring to that.

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Alison writes in his questioning to Robyn Bristow, the leader of the temple, Mr.

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Thompson described RI as requiring that other school children would have to

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waste their time doing something else.

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He also said it would cause significant inconvenience in the administration

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of the schools and disruption because other children wouldn't be

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attending this religious education.

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And we'd have to be put out of their classes to do something else.

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And of course that's what happens every day, the kids who

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aren't doing Christian lesson.

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So I'm so good on your Alison.

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That was a good one.

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And and she's in the chat room.

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Alison says that she went through hand sods and there are some really good

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speeches and discussions in there.

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And like, I remember Alison has sent me some of that, which

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I needed for the court case.

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So I'd read through it all as well.

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And it's interesting actually, when you look at how people spoke in those

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days, they were quite passionate, but well-spoken compared to a lot of the

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drivel you hear in parliament today.

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So, so yeah, so that's religious instruction and segwaying

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out of Anzac day ceremonies.

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And just one other thing on sort of satanic activism

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before we ended up politics is.

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As you know, we did a right to information request with the sunshine

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coast hospital to see what they had written internally about our, if it's

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to commence sort of chaplaincy offering.

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And anyway, in the turns out there is a requirement in the with Queensland

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health that anybody wishing to offer chaplaincy services in a Queensland

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government hospital needs to have some qualifications, which includes a clinical

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pastoral education course CPE course.

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And so it's possible to enroll in various organizations and get yourself a CPE.

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So I thought fine.

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Look it up, obviously Robin and I, at least one of us is going to have to do it.

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Guess what?

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1800 bucks.

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It wasn't so much the cost or the time, but the only organizations that oh, for

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the course are all obviously extremely religious course and you know providers.

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So it's a training program.

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That's at the moment completely dominated by religious bodies.

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There is no secular organization offering CPE and I thought, oh, maybe I might be

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able to just enroll, do it online, wiggle my way through without declaring yourself.

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But it seems quite intense in that they do interview you and

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ask you while you're doing it.

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And it's quite a lot of, you have to do like up to a hundred hours.

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On the job work experience stuff as well.

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Like it's quite the effort, dear listener.

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So anyway, I'm talking to Justin Marie, who's the secular chaplain

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who was a secular chaplain down in Canberra and Canberra operates

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differently because as you know, they're much more progressive down there.

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So they just had a brief course down there and they were much more

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inviting for secular chaplain.

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So he in Canberra only had to do a short course of a few days and, and

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was able to be a chaplain in Canberra.

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So but it's different in Queensland.

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So anyway, that's the reciprocal qualifications.

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No, that wasn't, it has to be a nationally recognized CPE course.

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And it doesn't sound like the Canberra one is so ready and sure as eggs, if

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we apply, there'll be checking very carefully what our qualifications were.

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If we were.

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Robin and Trevor from the Noosa church of Christ, they wouldn't even blink and

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say, oh yeah, you did a CPE in camera.

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That'll do.

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But of course, that won't do when we do it.

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So one option is to start a training organization, organization.

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So we could start an institution and apply to Esquire, to become an credited

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registered training organization, and then teach a CPE course to anyone who wants it.

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That's a lot of effort, isn't it?

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In my spare time.

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And the other question, maybe you couldn't find somebody who already

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has the qualification, but he's no longer a believer and he's

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willing to say they're a Satanist.

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That's the hard part.

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Not many people are willing to do that.

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I mean, if you're out there, we're all ears by all means.

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If you know a disgruntled for.

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I wonder if the clergy project or you were aware of the clergy project.

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Yes, I am.

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Yep.

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I'm going to describe it.

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Do you want to describe it?

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So I believe it's Darryl Ray set up an organization.

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He's a psychologist in America and it's the recognition that if you are a preacher

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and that has been your livelihood and you no longer believe life becomes very, very

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hard for you because effectively your whole life is based around the church

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about something you no longer believe in, and you don't have any particular

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skills to go out to an employer.

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And so it's, it's supporting these people and then transition out of being a church

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leader and finding suitable employment and quite often it easy in saccular county.

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It's in therapy.

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It's in other sorts of, because these people are a great speakers that are

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writers and, and the caring, and they're very good at listening to people and

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helping them talk through their problems.

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And it's just taking the religion out of that and giving them the skills

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to have a secular conversation.

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I thought it was, I C I thought it was more of a self-help group for people

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who were stuck and had nowhere to go.

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So they were still in their positions in religious organizations.

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You're right.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Because there are a large number who just lose the faith, but they want to

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continue their pastoral work and they really downplay the mumbo-jumbo and

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just concentrate on helping people.

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And yeah.

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So, yeah.

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Claire's your project.

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So that's interesting.

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One.

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Maybe I've got somebody who's done the course.

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And he's willing to be a Satanist, but I doubt it.

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I think that's a long shot.

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Yeah.

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Anyway that's but this is, it's a perfect after the religious instruction

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sort of case, it's the perfect item for satanic instruction, because

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pretty much if they let any religious group in and you are a Satanist, but

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you have the qualification, they're not going to be able to stop eating.

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So it's either all in or none.

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So it's the perfect sort of venue for that satanic activism.

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Whereas the religious discrimination bill didn't really lend itself to

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satanic activism because really what that bill was doing was saying,

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well, if you've got an organization, we'll let you discriminate against.

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And that's not what we want to do.

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So something like ROI or the chaplain sees it's much better

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suited where it's a case of you've given these rights and privileges

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and we'll, we'll take them as well.

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Thank you very much.

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And maybe you'll think twice about it.

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So anyway, let's see what happens with RI first of all, and go from there,

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but it sounds like they used to be a, the Navy had actually moved towards

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Justin was telling me the Navy had moved towards more secular chaplains, but he

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had heard that they'd actually started moving back to more religious chaplains.

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So it wouldn't surprise me actually, if there is a bit of a demand for

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people who want to have training in chaplaincy, but in a very secular sense.

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Yeah, so we'll see.

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Right.

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All of that was there.

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Look, let's get Scott Morrison and his rubbish out of the way

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before we move on to deeper things.

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Actually Brahman in the chat room clinical pastoral education link Brahman.

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Is that a secular teaching of it?

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Or is that a religious one?

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Could you let us know?

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Oh actually it says here the CPE courses offered by the Royal Perth hospital and

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doesn't look specifically religious.

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Okay.

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So that I've got the link for later.

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Okay.

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We'll have to look at that.

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Maybe the AB there's a one in Western Australia.

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So if it's nationally recognized, yes.

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Okay.

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I will look into that.

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Thank you, Brahman.

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That's a good one.

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Thank you.

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So Scott Morrison I mentioned, I went to a wedding a couple of weekends ago.

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So as you can imagine afterwards, talking to young and old folk and just

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sounding them out of their politics, I'm not going to talk about the Broncos.

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No, fair enough.

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And you know, what, how do you think Morrison's going and blah, blah, blah.

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You know, and certainly this wedding had a mixture of people who traditional

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conservative voters and others were not.

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So look, relax, everybody Morrison, he's done.

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He's toast.

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He's gone.

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Like he's out the door.

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It's just a question of, by how much there is a confident prediction

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for you based on the straw poll.

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But yeah.

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So are they going to change horse before the election though?

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Between now and then I think people have stopped listening.

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Yeah.

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And he could come out with almost anything now, and I don't

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think people will swallow it.

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So so it's also not real good for Peter Dutton.

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Like if it kind of sets him up, if he loses this one, provided the ICAC, doesn't

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get him and see what make a formidable opposition leader from his prime minister.

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Right.

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I thought a lot of the LMP or anyone, but Darden.

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And that's how Scotty got in there in the first place.

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Well, maybe as prime minister, but not as opposition leader.

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I think there's only a handful of votes in it though, between the two of them.

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Wasn't it?

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When they had their, was it because I had frightened was, yeah, he's

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probably the preferred and same for him.

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Yeah.

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It makes sense for him to lose the election and become opposition later.

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So he gets a crack at prime minister next time.

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Anyway Yeah, just talk to people.

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I think everybody was recognizing the other property bubble

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instead of isn't it great.

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My house is now worth an extra 500,000.

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A lot of people are now going, this is actually not good.

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I think people are getting the idea that we've crossed over from enjoying the, the

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windfall to worrying about the problem.

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My, I think they're worried that it's going to burst.

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Yes.

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That people will be overextended.

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Yes.

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Even people who maybe have paid off their house.

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I think they're worried about what it means for young people.

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And I think we've crossing over there.

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But of course, if you the, the best form of rent assistance is

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helping young people to buy house.

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Yes.

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That's one of the ones on his list.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Well, here's what we were talking about earlier.

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Here's what, here's my thinking like during the two weeks, since we last sort

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of gathered together, dear listener, you know, every time Scott Morrison

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tells an obvious lie or another wrought is revealed or another disturbing

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mistake becomes apparent, find the link predominates and under the heading of

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Morrison and liberals episode 3, 3, 3.

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And if I end up with a list of about 15 things, which we could

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forensically go through and go, what a just knob fool buffoon, awful

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evil man, he is blah, blah, blah.

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But to some extent, I think it's a case of all those incidents are

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the trees and we really should be looking at the forest and.

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We've just wandered into a dark evil forest that is the Morrison government,

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and we just need to get the hell out.

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And we don't need to identify every bad trail on the wine because,

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because there's just so many of them.

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And I think I'll put the picture of picture of Morrison and Trump on the ad

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for this podcast, because it's kind of Trump, like, remember with Trump, there

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was so many things happening, lies, errors, misdemeanors exposed that you

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couldn't talk about them thoroughly enough because another one was on your plate

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and they all merged into each other.

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And if that have happened to any other government would normally

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keep people busy for two weeks was talking about each thing, but there

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were five of these things every day.

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And we've got this thuggish guy.

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Yes.

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Do you want to explain Gish Gallop?

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So Duane Gish was a famous creationist and he would regularly have debates

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with scientists too, or people who actually understood evolution.

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And his usual tactic was just to far off so many falsehoods in his five

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minutes or whatever it was that you just couldn't rebut every single one.

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And he would then seize on the ones that you hadn't rebutted

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and go see because you haven't rebutted these, these must be true.

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Yes.

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And, and so it's just the firing off of so many false herds that it's just

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impossible to debunk them all in the time.

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Yes.

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And the time taken to debunk them, then you couldn't talk about the

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thing you want to talk about the term.

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My, if I get Gish galloped by somebody, my response is to say.

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Look, you've said a lot of things, a lot of different issues.

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I can't begin to go through all of them.

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You tell me your best one.

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What out of all that, that you've just said is your best argument.

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And if I deal with that one and knock it over, then I reckon I'd

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have to deal with your others.

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Give me a best shot, identify the best one.

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And just do that.

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If you over ever Gish Gallop by somebody, try that one.

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Dear listener as a debating technique.

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We, it was, so it just back to the wedding got into a bit of a discussion with some

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young fellows about Ukraine and stuff.

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Average Joe out there doesn't know what's going on in Ukraine.

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Doesn't understand.

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I don't think the whole history of it, the NATO buildup the

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thread that that meant a Russia.

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It's pretty much most of the thinking out there is do that.

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Putin is a bad evil guy.

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If it wasn't for him, we'd all be going.

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Okay.

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And that, you know, the USA is still a good guys standing

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for freedom and democracy.

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And so of course I had to argue that they're not.

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So that was good.

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It doesn't get pretty heated or if I love it and love it, I think they do

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the ultimate wedding guest,

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maybe I'm wrong, but

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having seen a lot of Bellingcat information recently, it's just the layers

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of corruption in Russia and the, the overt bumping off of political opponents.

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The poisoning of anybody.

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And I don't know if you saw the peace negotiators were all

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poisoned at the conference, the Ukrainian peace negotiators.

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No, I didn't see that.

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Yeah.

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There was a mass poisoning.

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Really?

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Yes.

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And that has right.

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Yeah.

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Active type things.

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Some crazy poison, a bad egg.

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No, no, it was, it was deliberate poisoning.

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I'm not sure what it was.

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I don't think it was radioactive though.

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Right?

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Because they, yeah, they said, oh, we thought it was food.

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And there, because it was all of us at the same time.

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And then there were other symptoms.

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And given that the FSB have now poisoned that we know of at least

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three political opponents and considerably more are suspect.

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Well, I would not have heard that though.

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That's a very anti-Russian thing.

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Yes.

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Surely the mainstream media would love to, I don't know about, I don't know

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why or wouldn't have heard of that.

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Yeah.

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I mean, there's lots of stuff that just seems to not get talked about.

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Yeah, well of course the whole peace deal never gets talked about.

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Like we know Russia has said and over, just give up on Crimea, give up on the

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Donbass and change the constitution.

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So he has actually said we're willing to not join NATO.

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And there were a couple of other things.

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I forget what it was.

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So he is also a suggested piece.

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And of course the Russians are having a temporary ceasefire which the cynics

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are saying is just them withdrawing to regroup, get ready for another attack.

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What will, the other thing I've read is that sort of militarily, you know,

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the, the attacks that they did it in Kia, for example, where, because they

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intended to take the city, but really just to tie up Ukrainian forces and

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their main objectives were in the east with the, you know, the, to create, you

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know, to carve off that Donbass area.

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And that was their main consideration and that the other attacks were

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really just to keep the main Ukrainian forces away from there.

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So anyway, we'll see how it pans out, whether he stops with that or not.

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So I did see an interesting discussion about how the Ukrainian forces were

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punching above their weight, mostly because they have called up everybody.

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They possibly can.

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Russia politically can't call up their conscripts.

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Can't call up the reserves without claiming that it's a war

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and they don't want to do that.

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And the Russian soldiers just aren't invested in them.

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They're coming in and being seen as the invaders.

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They're not being welcomed with open arms as they'd been

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promised that they would be.

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And so they're demoralized.

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Whereas of course the Ukrainians are going, this is an invading force.

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We're gonna fight to the last man.

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Yeah.

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But the Canada that is, if, if all they want to do is secure the Donbass

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essentially, then they're achieving that.

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And they're not really serious about the other areas.

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So they've lost an awful lot of weapons and troops to distract.

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Yeah, it's, where's the truth.

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Who knows?

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We'll it's it's who knows.

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Yes.

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I lost my train of thought on the Ukraine, but I will come back to Ukraine later,

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but yeah, it's hard to know the truth.

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All right.

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Let's let's just quickly get on onto in the last two weeks.

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Here are the issues that have come out that have been sort of

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detrimental or a problem for Morrison.

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So six in the parliament free prayer room, Concetta theraphy anti Wells,

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basically, you know, he's on his side claiming that he's a ruthless bastard.

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He doesn't deserve to be prime minister.

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I don't know that she's on his side.

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She's in his party.

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Good boy.

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Supposedly on his side comes out liberal Senator seasoned, complete

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passage to share that it should never be prime minister and it was all dodgy.

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How he got preselected in the first.

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And, you know, but also cast aspersions on our own character.

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Well, it's only because you've just got slotted that you're now saying there's

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where were you before telling us it's now?

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Because you know, so it's not credit to her that she's come out and said

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it, but you know, she now joins new south Wales, liberal Catherine

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Cusak, who also said similar things.

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And in terms of his bullying and being a bastard there's Pauline Hanson,

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Jackie Lambie, former liberal MP, Julia Banks, former new south Wales,

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liberal premier, Gladys, Berejiklian all describing him as a bully.

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Like a lot of people from his own side saying what I say to women.

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Yes.

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So he's got a woman problem.

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Clearly we had the line, you know, ah, well, if you can't rent, then

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just buy a house and that's what we're doing to improve your position.

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And the interviewer said, well, we're talking about rent and he's saying,

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yeah, well, I'm talking about housing and if we improve housing, then you

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know, then we don't have a rent problem.

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Well, of course just ignoring the problem that, of course people always be renters.

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We've got administrative appeal, tribunal appointments, just being stacked.

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This tribunal with former liberal politicians who will sit in judgment

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now on Commonwealth decisions to do with migration and other

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Commonwealth decisions, you know, jobs with 400,000 a year just

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being given away to favored people.

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We've got the whole new south Wales pre-selection debacle where the central

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authority of Morrison and Hawker deciding who's going to be the candidates in a

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bunch of new south Wales electorates, just ignoring the wishes of the local.

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Branch members and parachuting in their own people.

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And that's going to cause a big problem down the track for the liberal

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party, because why would you stay a member of the liberal party unless

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you were a Pentecostal nutbag because you sit there and you attend the

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meetings and you try and get things done, and then they do this to you.

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They're going to lose a lot of people from the party.

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It's going to get even more crazy in the liberal party.

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And just as the Republicans went, teabag, you know, tea party yeah,

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it's, it's, it's a tea party overtaking of the local branch.

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Sorry, go on.

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I was going to say it wasn't that the whole liberal the labor government, once

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they've made it once the, the head office has made up their mind, tough luck.

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You're out of any say.

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I'm learning the rules, we're going, oh, we're much more democratic than that.

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Yes, possibly.

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It was the vote in parliament.

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Yeah.

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But that was their claim to fame.

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Was that, you know, they, they encourage this and even if it

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was against the party line yeah.

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They also claim they didn't have factions.

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So yeah.

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So we've got that issue.

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Look, I'm not even a third of way through them.

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We've got his own.

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Pre-selection where there's talk about how he lied how he accused the other

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candidate, Toke of being a Muslim.

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And so now Michael Toke calls him a liar, joining tiny Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull,

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Emmanuel Macron, and Barnaby Joyce.

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Again, the people, the people calling him a liar, other than Emmanuel Macron

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members of the liberal or national party.

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These are the people who are supposed to be on the same side,

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you know a lefty what's that?

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I said Macron is not exactly a left either.

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No, exactly.

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Yeah.

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So we've had Hillsong, haven't been there for 15 years.

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Well, pictures of him at a Hillsong conference.

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In fact, the same conference where the guy went into the hotel room with

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the woman and did whatever he did.

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Like it was the same conference that he's pictured at

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was the antidepressants.

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It wasn't a useful

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thing or Hillsong, ah, hell some have been saying about Brian.

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Yeah, because Morrison doesn't know anything about them.

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Being there for 15 years, as I mentioned him in my maidens beats, and I tried

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to kill America to the white house, but not to do with them, nothing to see

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Jackie Lambie and the whole minivan deal.

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Like, you know, remember she, she caved in about doctors being

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able to stop people, being able to remove people from detention.

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And she, her strange decision agreed with the government on

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that one, and then unable to find out that there was a deal done.

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And she was told she'd got to go to jail.

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If she breached the agreement Ash body resigns from tennis, and he does a tweet

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saying it was great to speak to her.

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Blah, blah, blah.

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He didn't even speak to it.

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Just left a message on a voicemail.

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It's minor, but it's just the crap on the sky.

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You heard she'd won a tournament recently or she won $30 in a tournament.

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Yeah.

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Michael said DICOM.

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Yeah.

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Actually her parents are good golfers and could be awful.

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Yeah.

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It would not surprise if she became a golfer.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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There was a guy who was a professional tennis player male player.

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He went and joined the golf pro tour.

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It has been done before.

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His name will come to me at some stage.

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Let my subconscious work on that.

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Marston refused to meet the Chinese ambassador cause he said

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it would be a sign of weakness.

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Like of all the problems we've got with China in our relationship meeting, the

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investor would have been good idea.

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And in what way would it have been weak?

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Yeah.

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It's Morrison wants to show that he's strong is a thing called the

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Australian futures leaders program.

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Did you hear about that?

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It's got no staff or office.

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I was thinking of an $18 million set aside by the federal government organized

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by the prime minister's department.

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And gone out to tender.

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No, of course not.

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What they're going to do is identify young leaders and run them

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through an indoctrination program.

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All about the seven mountains.

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Yes.

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Sounds very seven mountains ish.

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But, but with 15, $18 million of our money being put towards a given to a company

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that's just popped out of the ground.

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There's no stuff.

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Not from no due diligence, nothing with the S the foundation what was the story

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with the STS foundation that was all money given to that crazy group who are

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supposed to look after people are battling addiction, but they crack them, read

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the Bible, praying away the drug addict, instead of praying away the gay yup.

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More money given to them.

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And we had Morrison forced to reveal any messages he's had with his and on

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mate, a court decision, but he'll appeal and you'll be bounced out of office

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before the appeals finished, but they probably won't have to reveal them.

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And, and then the IBCC came out and said that regarding climate

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change, we're supposed to be reducing emissions by 45% by 2030, but we're

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on track to increase them by 14%.

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It's the finding of the intergovernmental panel on climate change.

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Like.

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What a list of just craziness in a two week span.

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Yeah.

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I thought the IPC had said that Morrison government would lying

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basically called them out as a liar.

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Probably.

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I didn't get a chance to read through the detail.

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Yeah.

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When does he not lying?

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Doesn't like, it doesn't lie straight in bed.

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What a list now it'll just be a pleasure to just not have this nonsense going

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on all the time, this circus, but I'm fearful for the liberal party that while

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they were in opposition for another three years the sort of people who have

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created a party capable of all that and the last two weeks, and just going to

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keep doing what they're doing with the assets happened in America, the Democrats

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are trying to negotiate compromises.

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With the party that are unwilling to compromise.

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Yeah.

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And so they may be an opposition, but unless labor, just get

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ahead and start governing.

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They'll get bogged down in crap.

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Yep.

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But there's also, you know, the effect and impact of having a bully

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and then people speak up and then once the bully loses power, then you

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know, people clean up their act too.

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Can't me be optimistic, especially with a federal ICAC.

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I mean, that'll clean it, it claim the whole place out if, and if he gets teeth,

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because I think the labor politicians are just as invested in taking, taking

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donations from large corporation.

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Maybe now it'd be a good time to bring up those three impressive women that

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are running as independence then.

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Yeah, I mean, that was the gees media were very much, we need a hung parliament.

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We want independence.

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We want the greens having the balance of power because that is

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when the horse training gets done.

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That's when the real things happen, the liberal party has committed

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to federal ICAC with teeth.

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Yeah.

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It'll be interesting to see what they actually propose.

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Hmm.

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Well, they've been out of power long enough that none of their own mob will get

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caught by much older than I thought it'd be a good time to do it, but unfortunately

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it really needs to be historical.

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Yes.

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And they'll, you know, there'll be enough for them to look at in the, over

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the last nine years to keep them busy.

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I would've thought so it would be a no brainer.

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I mean, you kicked one off and, and by the time the next election

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comes around you know, in about two, two years after kicking it off,

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all sorts of stuff, would've come.

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And why wouldn't you, why wouldn't you be a no-brainer?

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I would've thought so.

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Wasn't the proposed, the, the liberal proposed one was only going

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to be for civil servants, but not for politicians and wasn't going

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to be retrospective and there was a whole host of caveats around it.

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Yeah.

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So, so the question is then, you know, we're talking about the liberals sort

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of following the Republican model.

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And is there a difference between.

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Australians and Americans in our nightmare, in our politics,

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in our culture that maybe we won't follow this the same way.

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Australians are a lot more cynical,

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but not enough cynicism last election.

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It didn't have to be too cynical to look at Scott Morrison and know he was a prick

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and a bully in a fake I goodness sake.

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I think you did look, Hey, ran a campaign on all Cape, everything the same.

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We don't have to do anything.

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And at that time for most people, most Australians things were pretty good.

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Now you hear them every day on the ABC and it doesn't matter which

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liberal fellow they were put out.

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He says the same thing.

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My focus is on the Australians.

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Things are good.

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Things are good.

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Things are good.

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And like things actually, I was going to ask you about your wedding.

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All things good for people.

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Certainly in my circles, things are not good for people.

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Things are hard if a PayPal in this particular circle, people are okay.

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Yeah.

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Sorry, upper.

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Middle-class not as quiet.

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We need some change.

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We've all had a bit of a reckoning.

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Yeah.

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And we got to get some of this stuff sorted out.

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Okay.

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So people aren't hurting enough to look around their head now.

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Wasn't it, there, there was a lot about the whole second house,

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but labor we're talking about removing the tax breaks of, I don't know, was it, when

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was the last election or was it the Frank?

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That was the franking credits.

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Maybe that was it.

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Yeah.

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Which I know.

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Handful of people.

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Right.

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But, but it was enough of a scare campaign.

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Yep.

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And realistically, the election before when labor did, when there was a Medicare

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scare, kind of along the same lines at the last minute that scare people,

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but scare people are devoting labor.

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Yep.

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So I want to talk about now I've been telling people, crikey has

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been a good thing to do, actually subscribe to crikey, Joe, or you just

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saw an article that was free online.

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Did you notice what you'd sent me a link to one.

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Yeah.

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And I have the RSS feed and quite often it's only the first paragraph,

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but sometimes it's the full article.

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Yes.

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So so in these dark days, do you listen to it when you're trying

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to find out a different artist?

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I think honest view of what's going on.

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Crikey is great publication.

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It's not inexpensive.

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They had like $99 get you a year subscription or something like that.

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Like in the scheme of things, not a lot of money.

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So.

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Have a look at crikey.

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There was an article by guy Randall and he was referring to a speech

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by Laughlin, the Murdoch son of Rupert, who was in his speech.

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I'm going to quite bits of it here.

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And then we can talk about the ideas.

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So basically Laughlin was doing this whole freedom cry, and we've got to

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maintain our freedoms and we can't let these elites talk us out of their freedoms

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of what was part of his us common people, local local murder.

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Yes, indeed.

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So so anyway, this is guy Randall talking about Lockland Murdoch's

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speech and he says, But the body of the work repeated the rights main

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contention that Australians have a professed passion for freedom

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currently suppressed by the elites.

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Ha we don't, we're not like the U S at all.

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According to Gullah Randall from the start, we were a collective society.

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The frontier no sooner established than the state was occupying the space of it.

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Most of colonial expansion into the Australian continent was a state based

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project and white Australians rapidly developed a status subjectivity in

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which national development was conceived in terms of what the state would do.

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The constitution which Lochlan described as a fusion of UK and us

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traditions is nothing of the sort, the U S constitution is a revolutionary

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document, establishing a new order and calling forth a new type of person to

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constitute a new society by their free.

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The Australian constitution is an administrative document of electrical

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procedures for an N Imperial dominion.

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Then still subject to a UK final sign with the sole freedom guarantee, being

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that a religion intended mainly to limit Catholic Anglican sectarianism to keep the

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place going the state was expanded through the 20th century, the industrial system

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made any sort of individual or collective bargaining impossible and specify the

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nature of different professions and jobs to the last ITA entire wall clip.

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And a wheat crop was brought up by the government.

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The tariff and protection system was the most comprehensive in the world.

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It could be used not only economically, but culturally, the import of

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electric music instruments was banned to stop the spread of jazz.

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The system was accompanied by the most comprehensive censorship system in

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the Western world, in which the most anidine books with mall sexual content

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were banned and home grind versions, subject to relentless persecution.

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When when our sir Robert Menzies famously switched his vote from

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liberal to DLP after his retirement, I didn't know he did that.

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It was because of his success, his abandonment of heavy book and film

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censorship at the state and municipal level, public owned utilities dominated

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everyday life from city building to transport, many expanded into the private

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market using state economies of scale.

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This is interesting in Victoria.

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The board of works had its own network of farms using treated Surrey as fertilizer.

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The railways owned a customer crash, its own bookstore chain and

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orchids or its fruit juice bar.

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The Tremain is Ryan Parks, fund phase and bras pains, no one batted, an eyelid.

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These were all government bodies running, all sorts of stuff.

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Shop owning hours were rigid, limited and policed planning laws enforced a

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zoning system, which expelled thousands of residents from the CBD after world war

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two and made any sort of mixed use areas.

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Pretty much impossible.

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White Australians lived in a society has space, was defined by the state.

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What is most striking about this regime?

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Contrary to the news Corp IPA fantasy is how little opposition there was to it.

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Censorship was the cause of a FIBA Amiens effectively the Sydney libertarian

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push and the communist, no one, except a few academic economic eggheads

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questioned the status economic approach.

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Everyone understood what these big rules were.

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To minimize inequality, you know why that might have meaningful life possible

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for the widest number of people?

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Let me just go on a bit here.

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The idea of the good society is one of positive freedom, creating conditions to

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flourish by applying the state to everyday life, not negative freedom of limiting

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the state's impact on everyday existence.

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U S intellectual roots are in the proton liberalism of the 18th century.

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Ours are in the social liberal tradition of Bentham, Whitefield green, the Fabians.

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Yeah, when this path was abandoned at the elite level in the 1980s, successive

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governments created a dual culture.

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This has resulted in a contradictory culture in which universal services

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such as Medicare have wide support, but Australians are wary of grand

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schemes, big themes, and anything that.

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Even possibly damage the cumulative life path.

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Hence labor's strategic weariness about the big picture stuff, even

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though that's exactly what we need.

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Hence the apparent permanent stuckness of negative gearing.

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So anyway, there's a bit more there and article I was picking cherry

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picking out of, but essentially we started as a collectivist

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statused state sort of based group.

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We didn't start as the individualized idea that Americans did in the 1980s.

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That changed a bit, but there's still perhaps enough residual cultural

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hangover from those early days.

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Maybe that's sort of what I've been arguing the last six

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years is we have this choice.

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Do we want to be the American style of rampant capitalism unrestricted?

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Or do we want to go for something more Scandinavian based.

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That's in a nutshell, the big issue, economy, religion, and social issues.

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The, the Robert Reich argument has always been, there's no such thing as small

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government government is government.

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The question is who is the government ruling for?

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Is it ruling for the people or is it ruling for the corporations?

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Yeah, that's true.

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But I guess if you just look at schooling, for example, we have created

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this whole private school system, so that has been an erosion of government.

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You also have, you know, okay.

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We need a military of some sort, but do we really need a huge military or do we just

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need enough to be off a few Indonesians?

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Like.

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I don't know so much about that argument, I think is about size as well

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as direction and the vested interest.

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I think it is more than just but it was more the, all the government red tape.

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Well, either the government red tape is there to protect the money to

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interests and enforcing bankruptcy laws and protecting the assets of large

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corporations so that they can see you when you default on your loan or is

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it there to reign in the power of the corporations and, and hold them to account

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for pollution and the things that they do where they're passing on the costs

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of what they do to the average citizen.

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Okay.

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I'm prepared to say it's both it's who are they acting for?

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And also how big inhale a road and things are.

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I mean, you know, with.

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Medicare and in a public hospital system here that they don't have in

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America, you know, so absolutely.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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And the other one was an Americans conservatives view of a small government

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is a government so small that it can fit through your bedroom keyhole.

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Yes, that's right.

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Yeah.

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So, I mean, they're in a position over there where the, a fairly

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extreme left-wing view would still be to the right of a lot of

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other Western liberal democracies.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, could article by, by Rundle and yeah, in the chat, if you guys

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it's too hard to me to keep track of the chat, but if you've seen any

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cruda I'll actually, Camille says I subscribed to crikey after Trevor hyped.

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It pretty happy so far.

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That's good.

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Yep.

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And Roman says, at least we still have the trend-wise Bain.

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I guess.

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I my daughter went off to a youth group a weekend away.

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I found probably the island, you know and I looked up where they

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were staying and it's a holiday camp that's owned by the tramways.

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It was for disadvantaged children to have a, a beach holiday.

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And it was set up by the Brisbane tramways corporation, the tram drivers,

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which then became the bus drivers.

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It's still something along those lines, right?

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Yep.

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Yep.

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So yeah, there are some odd holiday spots around.

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I was on coochie mid-level island and then.

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Queensland police thing there that was quite obscure as well.

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Yeah.

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I wasn't sure if it was union owned or police own, but yeah, there are

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some odd holiday places around.

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Okay.

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Let's dive around to other things.

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Got any comments on the slap at all at the academy awards.

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Do we need to spend any time on, on, on the Scientologists, on

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one lane stopping another man?

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Yeah, I think Russell brand actually nailed it.

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And Hayes, I thought fallen off the of, so what's the expression about going a

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bit nuts, but anyway, Russell brand has been a bit odd lately, but I think he

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did nail this in his summation, which is just, it just really highlights

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the whole absurdity of the Sarah.

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Roland.

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Yep.

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Like in a world as chaotic as this, that we have this weird awards ceremony where

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we just celebrate like rich and great.

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And yeah.

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And it's just, it's actually just humans like everywhere else.

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So yeah, this is a fascination.

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People have a fascination with actors.

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I think human beings find it really difficult to look at like a Russell Crowe

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and just not get he's just an actor.

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He wasn't really the gladiator fighting those people.

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He wasn't the smart method.

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In addition, working out that shit on the Blackboard, he was just the actor.

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He doesn't have those qualities.

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And I think people will just get so conned by the whole thing that they

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project onto these individuals, the roles that they used to play and just

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ordinary Joes, like anybody else, but.

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At the super pounds.

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Yes.

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The worst part about it all was Scott Morrison saying, oh yeah,

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I can understand why he hit him.

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You know, if my wife was insulted, you know, I can understand

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it such a toss of that guy.

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I I'm, yeah.

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I'm your average Aussie bloke and the F my Mrs.

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Was insulted.

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I'd be thinking the same thing as well, too.

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You know, I was actually having a conversation with her Kevin manager

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and he was saying to me that his wife was a vegetarian back when

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people really gave them stick.

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So it'd be at a dinner party or whatever, and he would, he would rise to defender

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not to that degree, but she just pulled him aside one day and said still, yep.

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Oh, well, the thinking.

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It's quite insulting.

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If anyone insulted that woman at the ceremony, it was him thinking he had to

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go up and slap a guy to defend her honor.

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Yeah.

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So notice he was laughing until he saw her.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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There's a whole heap of hypocritical type of stuff there.

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Couple of tweets from Emma, it was apparently a main slapping

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is fine, but a woman not smiling.

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Isn't sorry.

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Who is that woman?

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She's amazing.

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She's Twitter.

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Yeah.

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Jeez, prolific.

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She must be tired all day unhealthy way.

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Perhaps I worry about it that way.

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I, it does seem to be a bit of a obsession for some people.

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Yeah.

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And another one here by this guy who said this was FKA was will

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Smith saying he wants to be a vessel for love 15 minutes after hitting

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a guy live on international TV.

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And then getting a standing ovation is just an incredible summation

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of what Hollywood's all about.

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It's trying to a vessel for love.

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So I've got the clip.

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There's no point playing it.

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You've all seen it.

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Let's move on.

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Just speaking of Twitter, Michael West started following me.

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Did he?

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Oh yeah.

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So now I'm like, oh my God, I never tweet.

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I'll have to, I have to start thinking of stuff to tweet.

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And that's where I got the idea to do little clips of our videos.

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He sees them and then he might come on and debate you or something.

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That'd be good.

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Wouldn't that be good?

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So anyway, I'll have to think of some tweets instead of just free tweeting.

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He's very Pally Pally with friendly Jordy's and how amazing is

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friendly daughters with this latest courageous exposé about the sex

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in the prayer, in the prayer room.

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But consenting adults who cares best use of a prayer reminder.

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Yup.

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Yup.

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Except when you've claimed to be so family oriented, but you actually screwing

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around with somebody who's not your professed lighthouse partner, perhaps.

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You know, say if you didn't, if you weren't going to be claiming all these

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moral family values, that would be fine.

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But when you do the hypocrisy, you should be exposed and, you know really shuffling

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people in and out of parliament house without signing them in appropriately.

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Is that what we want happening?

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So, you know, who cares?

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He's living with her, but yeah.

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Joe, you had some topics, one of which was in America vaccine

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case consent case for parents.

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So I've thrown this to you when you haven't been able to probably look

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it up, but you want to talk about it.

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Do you want me to just launch into it?

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Yeah, I remember reading it and thinking it was interesting, but

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I forgot what the outcome was.

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It was a federal judge, barred, the district of Columbia from enforcing a

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law that allowed minors to be vaccinated without their parents' knowledge.

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Of course, often to fade with their religious freedom.

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That was correct.

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Yes.

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So it was a law which allowed children as young as 11 to get the vaccine

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without their parents' knowledge.

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If a doctor determined that they are capable of informed consent

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and the religious nutters over the word, having any of it.

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So that's under appeal.

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You also had a link to an interesting book by a lady.

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His last name is green, I think.

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And she is Canadian and helps people with voluntary assisted dying.

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And she's written a book about her experience and I think it

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would be an interesting book.

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So she was overwhelmed by the incredible experiences she was having the work

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itself and the intimate relationships.

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And that was she, she was thrown into the interactions between people in

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their families were extraordinary.

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I think that would be an interesting book.

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Yeah, people's experiences there.

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The interesting part as well was she's actually a maternity doctor.

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So she was, she was helping, she said she, she was used to dealing with those

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conversations because obviously maternity is a very high risk, high mortality time.

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And she was used to having those conversations around

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life and death decisions.

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And, you know if you've ever written in and if Terry Pratchett and the

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witches and the witches were there at the beginning of life and at the end of

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their life, they were the midwives of the village and they were there helping

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people ease their way out of this world.

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This is, this woman does both too.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And she referred to assisted deaths as deliveries.

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Yes.

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She said hoping to end people's suffering had been the most

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rewarding experience of her career.

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Although initially that was a sentiment.

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She felt she had to keep to herself.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, I'll put a link in the show notes for that book.

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If you're interested, could be good.

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Read another article saying that we've got to get Gonski back on track.

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The Gonski report of course, looked at the funding of education, said we need

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to fund schools based on their needs.

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A higher socioeconomic groups lead need less money, the lower socioeconomic

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groups when it comes to educating that the Gonski formulas have

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just being completely bastardized and ruined by various governments

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agreement that nobody will lose money.

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So these overpayments of private schools continued, even though

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they shouldn't have, because are basically frayed of losing votes.

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And and that really Gonski has never been properly implemented

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and that we should do it.

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And we've got to get back on track.

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And it finishes at the end.

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We need to start a national dialogue on increasing equity in school resourcing.

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If elected labor should call the national education summit in

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2022 to get Gonski back on track.

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And this is the problem with our whole school system in Australia

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is people here think it is normal and it's completely abnormal.

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So there's just so much talking and explaining that has to be done to try

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and shift the Overton window into a more normal, into more normal parameters.

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So it probably is a case labor couldn't do anything until it does

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a lot of talking and explaining to people so that helped them understand.

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I've tried to explain them people, you just get special pleading.

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When I say, if I don't catch the bus, does the government refund

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me the equivalent bus fares?

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So the bus rebates to pay for my private car because effectively that's what

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they're doing for private schools.

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Yep.

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And there's a lot of loyalty to private schools with people and the.

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You know, part of the propaganda and indoctrination of a private

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school singing the school song and isn't this the greatest school.

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And when you're finished, you're going to come back as an old boy and have

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dinners or an old girl and have dinners and, and, you know, there's a lot of

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indoctrination there to get through.

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So yeah.

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Another one you sent Joe was Adani mine.

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And I remember we spoke about this when the Adani mine was being considered

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and people said, it's going to create all these jobs and basically Adani

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his own experts said, actually, there's not gonna be that many jobs.

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So so it appears the Adani mine in central Queensland could be employing

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as few as 300 production staff.

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Meanwhile, the Queensland government is subsidizing the project through

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a long-term royalties deal.

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Now.

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They don't have to pay the normal rate of royalties.

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They pay a reduced rate of royalties.

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Queensland is missing out on more than $93 million in royalties every

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year for the length of the agreement.

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And if we're only getting 300 jobs, 40 on $93 million, then we're

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subsidizing every job at the mine by more than $300,000 per job per year.

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And that was always going to happen.

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They're very beginning plus the carbon impact.

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Yep, indeed.

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So, so when did you say no, say no because, because it's a political

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hand grenade and in ability to sell, because they're not good sellers and.

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And also the Murdoch press will crucify them.

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Even if they are good sellers, I will absolutely crucify them.

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I, I get it.

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Yeah, these are the petals.

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Yeah.

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Our inability to say, alright, fossil fuel is dead.

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This is our plan for regional Australia.

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This is what we're going to retrain.

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These people, you know, $300,000 a person is a hell of a lot of training in a new

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industry, whatever the new industry is.

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But you know, people don't understand, people wouldn't be aware of

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those figures would have no idea.

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Doesn't come out.

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The true cost of fossil fuel subsidies.

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So in the budget, the federal government provides the most

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assistance to the fossil fuel sector, costing 10 and a half billion.

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In the M 2122 financial year this is in fuel subsidies, the main

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line being the fuel tax credits.

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So fuel tax credit that provides a credit for fuel tax, such as

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the excise or customs duty that is included in the price of fuel.

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And this is fulfill used in business activities, such as machinery, plant

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equipment, heavy vehicles, light vehicles.

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So if you use fuel in plant and equipment and machinery, then you

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can climb a fuel tax credit, which gives you back the excise and customs

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duty, for example, which adds up to 10 and a half billion dollars per year.

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The amount that the government pays public schools is $9.7 billion.

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We're giving more in fuel tax subsidies.

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I heard this story.

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I think I'm allowed to tell this.

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I know a guy who was in a car dealership and this, I think it was an employee

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or it might've been some other person approached the car dealership and said,

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I can save you X, thousands of dollars.

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Maybe it was 200, $300,000 per year.

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But you have to agree to pay me a, like a finder's fee or

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what I'm about to tell you.

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And he got them to sign an agreement before they did it.

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And I think it was that the dealerships could climb this fuel tax credit if

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they sold vehicles to farmers and, and businesses But the dealers who had filled

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up the tank would then Klein the fuel tech credit and it was worth an enormous

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amount of money to the dealership.

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And this guy struck a deal like that.

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So anyway, I think that's how it went anyway, Joe, thanks

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for all these happy stories.

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You're giving us about cost of fuel.

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I'm just thinking 10, 10, and a half billion.

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How much would that go towards alternative energy sources, funding, alternative

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energy sources for these devices?

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Yeah.

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If you said this has got to be an electric vehicle.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Hey, here's some money to turn it from a, a diesel powered vehicle

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into a, an electric vehicle.

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I know the numbers are huge.

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What you could do with this money, what you could do with it.

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Yeah.

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At the conference on Saturday, one of the electricians I've got up

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to present was talking about the exploitation of PayPal on solving.

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My back.

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And if people knew, so for instance, like I get hired for six weeks work

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and then they get maybe two weeks.

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So they get rushed to do just hour after hour after the hour do extended

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overtime or whatever, not get paid for it.

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Jobs done in two weeks.

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And I say, thanks very much.

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See ya really?

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Because it's a new industry.

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It's not heavily unionized.

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It's not really worked out.

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And it's easy to exploit workers, which if, you know, some of the people in

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the audience were saying like, knowing that it does actually make it hard

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to support the renewable industry.

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So that's another thing that unions could potentially address is start

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getting membership around there and then being part of the transition,

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not just to government either.

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So yeah, just interesting.

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Yeah.

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So that's something that some of the new challenges coming with it and they'd be

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out on side, just living in doners for the weeks while they're cranking it out.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Ah, and just briefly, the Murdoch family has borrowed a a hundred million

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dollars from the Chinese government.

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The same time that their Murdoch papers, wage war against

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the Chinese communist party.

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I reckon the Chinese were happy to lend it to them, hoping that at some stage

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the murderers get desperate and, and they'll be able to squeeze them saying

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I'm not so happy with your articles.

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You might want to start writing some pro China stuff.

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That'd be funny.

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And the Anglican church is using tens of millions of dollars.

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It receives from taxpayers for aged care services instead to cover

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the church's historic child abuse.

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Child sexual abuse claims.

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So they, they only money for child sexual abuse and they're getting money from

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their their arm that Anglicare Sydney, which is an aged care operator in they're

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using that money to pay their other fees.

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And this is the Sydney Anglican church who donated $10 million to the no campaign.

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Yes.

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Is making, making money.

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So it's not like they don't have any money.

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It's just, they want to use it to be mean to gay people.

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Mm Hmm.

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Okay.

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We've headed down another depressing pathway here.

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A bit of rattle through these topics are going to be up to date, deal listener for

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any for any dinner parties that you're at.

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Solomon Islands hear about how they.

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Basically struck a deal with the Chinese over some stuff.

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Yeah, the the missile base, that's going to be fine to, to Australia.

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Yeah.

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Well, they've done a treaty with China over something, and of course, Australia

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and New Zealand are up in arms about it.

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And I saw a speech in the parliament by the prime minister, so Guevara

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and he's really, really good.

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Like he speaks really well and saying we are silver nation week in Mike deals.

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We're not going to make stupid deals.

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No, one's pressured us into this.

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We're not gonna do anything crazy.

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But, you know, we asked Australia for help.

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They said they couldn't do it.

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And they had deals with Papa new Guinea.

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So we're looking around, we've got to explore our options and you

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guys tell us, try and tell us what we're to do, and that we're too

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stupid to work it out for ourselves.

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Like it was, it wasn't as Frank as that, it wasn't easy is better, more

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polite language in there, but it was really compelling, thoughtful.

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I've really good speech, better than anything you've heard in the Australian

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parliament in the last nine years from the liberal national party side, at

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least it was a damn fine coherent normal speech by the prime minister say Guevara.

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So please pay really well good on him.

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I thought seven mountains on the gold coast.

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So gold case mayor Tom.

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We're still around to what seemed like a very damning, full coroner's report.

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I watched some years ago.

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Yeah, they are property developers.

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That's the best, but anyway, you know, all allegedly by them and you

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know, he's still there good on him.

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Right.

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But he's new spiritual advisor.

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Isn't adherent of the Christian fundamentalists, seven mountains mandate,

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which seeks to achieve Christian control of major institutions of society.

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So this was a bit of a scoop for the rationalist society.

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So I Gladman came across this video where the spiritual advisor talked about

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how she'd sat down with Tom and had described him the seven mountains mandate.

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And he said, I'm all in.

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We've got to do this and how are we going to do it?

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And and she was boasting about that and that's had a bit of

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coverage in different newspapers.

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So.

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It's a thing.

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The seven mountains mandate is a thing it's about seeding people into the media,

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education, politics, et cetera, getting them to the top and the influence sprints.

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So oh, Julia makes a good comment.

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Tom Tate who invited the media to his water baptism, but when asked if he

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subscribes to the seven mountains, mandate suddenly said his faith was personal,

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but I hadn't heard that Julia, but why does that not surprise me typical?

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What else we got here?

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I got that one, Chris Sanchez.

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Now I might do that another time.

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Oh, look, we're nearly out of gas before I go into, I could launch

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into a whole year crying thing, but I think we're so close to nine o'clock.

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I should stop that because we got a lot there.

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Che, anything else you want to get off your chest that we've had

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enough of a gripe about the world?

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So I guess there's to try and stay away from some of the despair.

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I guess I could recommend some uplifting books that I've been

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reading, really getting a lot out of lay sales, his book really?

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It's it's called the called any ordinary day or no ordinary day.

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And it's this beautiful novel to sort of like walking through a

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whole range of interesting stories, like going back over Stuart diver.

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I don't know if you remember him, the survivor of that landslide and

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yeah, it was just a really beautiful uplifting book and then Julia bed

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listening to her book phosphorescence, which is really uplifting.

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And then the book loves stories by Trent D'Alton so really, really good.

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So he just sat at a desk in the middle of Brisbane city with a sign

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that said, tell me a love story.

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And it's just, it's so beautiful.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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He hits my novel.

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What's his main novel that he wrote Trent Dalton.

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Can you remember what cool guys or something like that?

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He wrote one about his childhood and yeah, he grew up in a sort of.

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Childhood sort of at Amala and yeah.

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And the Brisbane boy.

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Yeah, always a Brisbane, Brisbane.

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He was his family always aspired to live at the gap.

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The gap was seen as this fantastic place.

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Boys follows universe.

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Roman says, did you read it?

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But yeah, it has lots of Brisbane stuff in it.

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If you like Trent Dalton.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, I give those maybe not five stars, but certainly a nice distraction.

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Very easy reading.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think yeah, that's good.

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What's good to finish on a positive note.

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Or I do listener well, that was a good episode.

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We've covered a fair bit of territory there in the chat room.

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Well done.

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I could see different comments and thank you for that.

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I will be back next week with something I'm not exactly sure what and my boss

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from Melbourne is up on the Monday.

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I'll be running around and all sorts of stuff.

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Don't might be anyway.

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We'll see what it'll be, but I'd be this not going to hash

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through Morrison's nonsense again.

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Next week.

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It'll be something a bit different.

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So we'll see what we do.

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Alright.

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Until then.

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So it's buy from me.

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I'll talk to you next week.

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