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Episode 332 - Kitching - A case study of a failed MSM
Sorry Dear Listener but this episode turns into a catalogue of shitty decisions and shitty statements by shitty leaders. We deserve better ... or do we?
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We need to talk about ideas, good ones and bad ones.
Speaker:We need to learn stuff about the world.
Speaker:We need an honest, intelligent thought-provoking and then
Speaker:containing review of what the hell happened on this planet.
Speaker:In the last seven days, we need to sit back and listen to the
Speaker:iron fist and the velvet glove.
Speaker:Well, hello and welcome deal is now the iron fist and the velvet glove
Speaker:podcast episode 330 to 22nd of March.
Speaker:I'm holed up in a hotel room in Sydney.
Speaker:That's hence the strange background, I of course am Trevor AKA, the iron fist with
Speaker:me as always every second week is shy the subversive evening and show the tech go.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So, so yeah, last week was the debate.
Speaker:This week will be our usual panel discussion of the news and politics
Speaker:and sex and religion of the previous two weeks and the goings on, of, of
Speaker:our federal leaders and other stuff.
Speaker:And I'm glad we've switched to every two weeks for rehashing the goings
Speaker:on by our leaders because it'd be too depressing show otherwise.
Speaker:I think I can only take it every second week because you just keep shaking your
Speaker:head at what they're up to and saying, how much longer can we take this?
Speaker:So it's hard to say it's going to be an uplifting episode, but we'll
Speaker:do our best to make it informative.
Speaker:Last week was good.
Speaker:I thought, what did you listen to a little shy?
Speaker:Did you manage to get hold of right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So that was fun with Hugh and he's keen to do another debate at a later time.
Speaker:But as I said to here, problem is we still do agree on way too much.
Speaker:So I think next debate on other stuff, I'll play devil's advocate for something,
Speaker:even without we agree, I'll just take the opposite side and see where we head.
Speaker:So it was good fun to do it.
Speaker:It was I haven't had a good old fashioned debate with somebody
Speaker:since the 12th man left.
Speaker:So That was good.
Speaker:I did observe something interesting.
Speaker:I was going to say just off air, which is that there was that almost
Speaker:theme again, of what we discussed at the last panel discussion.
Speaker:So if you're critically analyzing something, you, you may be accused
Speaker:of legitimizing it or condoning it.
Speaker:Could you hear that?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:At one point he sort of said, so do you support, you know, do you think the
Speaker:invasion is justified almost as if what I had said possibly mean that I did.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There was a bit of that in there.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So so seeing as that's the third time you've got the third or fourth time
Speaker:you've got that kind of feedback.
Speaker:Is there something in the way or speaking, do you think?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:I mean, I observe it on with a camera, I think, with his Facebook page.
Speaker:Yeah, people will.
Speaker:I find it hard to isolate these ideas and yeah, despite I really
Speaker:liked my Hitler preamble analogy.
Speaker:I think that helps set the scene as to why we can talk about it.
Speaker:So I liked that, that analogy.
Speaker:Anyway yeah, cause yeah, I know he's not here to defend himself, but there
Speaker:wasn't, it's just a little bit of good guy, bad guy people get stuck
Speaker:into in that Putin is a bad guy.
Speaker:Yeah, of course he is.
Speaker:But there can be multiple factors playing.
Speaker:You don't have to just resort to that.
Speaker:So one more thing, it played out in a whole range of topics, bad
Speaker:guy, which of course we'll discuss.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So with Kitchings kitchen, Kimberly, isn't it, the Kimberly kitchen and
Speaker:who passed away, we'll get onto her.
Speaker:But yeah.
Speaker:Can you speak ill of the dead and yeah, there's all sorts of nuance going on.
Speaker:So you might want to criticize her and criticize other people at the same time.
Speaker:Anyway, we'll get to that.
Speaker:What have I got on my list here?
Speaker:That to kick off with?
Speaker:Oh, just for those of you, I gave a Noosa temple of Satan update
Speaker:last week and we separate to the religious instruction lessons.
Speaker:Some of you may remember that Robin was involved with the sunshine coast
Speaker:hospital, which is a public government owned a hospital and he was there as
Speaker:a patient and he came across the, the multi-faith room, which was plastered
Speaker:with Christian iconic matter everywhere.
Speaker:And you might remember.
Speaker:There were various emblems of different religions and the pentagram appeared as
Speaker:one of those emblems and then disappeared.
Speaker:And so there's different correspondence with the sunshine coast hospital about
Speaker:the chaplaincy room and the removal of stuff that was in there and separate to
Speaker:that sort of an inquiry by Robin as to what does it take to become a chaplain
Speaker:at the sunshine coast hospital, because Robin's interested in becoming one.
Speaker:So we did a right to information request and got that back
Speaker:yesterday after many, many months.
Speaker:And I haven't had a chance to look through it thoroughly yet.
Speaker:So lots of stuff was held back as being privileged and many documents held back.
Speaker:Privileged because it was stuff that was going to be going to
Speaker:cabinet for cabinet consideration.
Speaker:Can you believe it, Romans chaplaincy application being
Speaker:discussed at cabinet level, indeed.
Speaker:And so Tom, the warehouse guy, if you're around, we we need to talk
Speaker:and talk about how we look at these documents that may be challenged.
Speaker:What was withheld?
Speaker:One of the interesting documents in there was where they were talking about
Speaker:the current procedure for chaplains in the sunshine coast hospital.
Speaker:And one of the emails here reads about their policy.
Speaker:And it is when the hospital opened the decision to practice what is called ward.
Speaker:It chaplaincy was started, which is what we still practice today.
Speaker:This is when we visit everyone on the ward and have what we
Speaker:call rejection at the bedside.
Speaker:I E the patient identifies that they do not want a visit.
Speaker:And we walk away.
Speaker:That is what would have happened on the day in question.
Speaker:So that happened when Robin was a patient and this nun walked into the room and he
Speaker:sort of looked up from his bed and there she was right beside, and then there was a
Speaker:bit of a heated exchange where he told her to get out, but this is the system in the
Speaker:sunshine coast hospital that these people can wander around and enter rooms at will.
Speaker:And it's up to you to reject.
Speaker:Their offerings and then they'll leave.
Speaker:And Joe is, you mentioned in our private chat.
Speaker:Imagine if there is a static chaplain pick and wander the card a little hospital and
Speaker:go up to a bed until somebody rejects you.
Speaker:Like I sort of system Christians up in arms about that if they did.
Speaker:Yes, of course.
Speaker:So these people don't understand the offense that could occur by
Speaker:being accosted by an unwanted advance by these religious nutters.
Speaker:And I mean, and for some people it could be quite triggering, like
Speaker:the number of people who have been abused by members of the clergy.
Speaker:I know when I see I'd never been abused by anybody, but certainly went to
Speaker:Catholic schools that shiver runs up my spine when I see a priest and a full
Speaker:outfit even, even nuns, you know, like, so they don't understand how triggering
Speaker:that could be for people I think.
Speaker:And so yeah, I think that's going to be our next battleground.
Speaker:So while we wait for the religious instruction court case to come out for
Speaker:decision, this one for chaplaincy is ideally suited for satanic activism,
Speaker:because it's that case where there's an existing privilege and Satan, this want to
Speaker:take advantage of the same privilege and end recognize the privilege they're in.
Speaker:They just think it's.
Speaker:And the fact that it's run, so the chaplaincy is run
Speaker:by a uniting church, man.
Speaker:So it's, it's not the decisions aren't made by a civil servant.
Speaker:The decisions are made by a minister who is deemed to have the best
Speaker:interest of the community at heart.
Speaker:So you say this for the, the hospital, the church for that, for that hospital,
Speaker:for that hospital, the chaplaincy roster and decisions as to who gets
Speaker:to be on and all the rest of it is run by uniting church minister.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So in one of the documents I saw there, there was sort of arguments about whether
Speaker:Robin was qualified to be a chaplain.
Speaker:And I think, and yeah, my guess is you'd need a cert three or a cert four in
Speaker:some form of what do they call it now?
Speaker:Let's see course, no, not chaplaincy, but what did they call the people who
Speaker:go out into the community and help this a disadvantaged community services?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Community carer guide.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:I think yeah, I think at the end of the day, both Robin and I are going
Speaker:to have to sign up for some sort of course, to do to make our case water
Speaker:tight, that we are entitled to apply.
Speaker:And I don't know, I kind of liked the idea of going along to a, a Christian
Speaker:chaplaincy course and just pretending to be Christian and going through the motions
Speaker:and getting my certificate at the end.
Speaker:You know, I also, and really keen to find out whether the nun who wanders
Speaker:the corridors at the sunshine coast hospital has done a chaplaincy course.
Speaker:I mean, I'd just be really surprised by what qualifications.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:It's a nun who wanders around.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And I dunno, I'll just be surprised if it's a.
Speaker:It would not surprise me if she does not have qualifications, I don't know, but we
Speaker:will try and find out as part of all this.
Speaker:And you know, as part of all this, I've been arming and arguing about whether
Speaker:to renew my practicing certificate, because I really don't want to, because
Speaker:it's a pain in the butt, but I think, you know, I have to assume we're going
Speaker:to lose the Supreme court case and we're going to have to probably form a
Speaker:incorporated association and do a whole bunch of legal things quite possibly.
Speaker:And also just you know, this application for chaplaincy as well.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:And I'll just kind of talk to Robin about legal matters of this nature without
Speaker:actually having a practicing certificate.
Speaker:Otherwise I'm in danger of breaching the rules.
Speaker:So unfortunately, I'm going to have to do that.
Speaker:It's unfortunate because I had cost money.
Speaker:Like I've got to spend a couple of grand on professional indemnity and law
Speaker:society fees B, I've got to do 10 hours of professional development every year.
Speaker:I've been putting it off.
Speaker:I've been putting it off thinking.
Speaker:I'd probably just say I've decided to pull out and then, but now
Speaker:I'm going to have to go ahead.
Speaker:I've got, I've got to cram in 10 hours of professional development
Speaker:before the end of the month.
Speaker:So I've bought these instructional videos and whatever that I've
Speaker:got to sit down and read and.
Speaker:All the rest of it and that cost money as well.
Speaker:So anyway if you're a fan of what we're doing at the temple of Satan
Speaker:and you want to help out, we need some donations to help fund my professional
Speaker:development costs and my practicing certificate go over to Noosa, temple
Speaker:of seitan.org and make a donation and put a note in it for Trevor fellow
Speaker:legal staff or something like that.
Speaker:Cause yeah, we're gonna have to do a fundraising drive to help cover some
Speaker:of those expenses as I do all that.
Speaker:But anyway, I think it's a good area.
Speaker:I'm looking forward to it, be fun and it's not just hospitals, schools, universities
Speaker:Olympic games, all sorts of places.
Speaker:Funny places have chaplains.
Speaker:So yeah, looking forward to that in the chat room, Jack says, good luck.
Speaker:Thanks Jack.
Speaker:If you're in the chat room, say hi.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Where was I back to?
Speaker:So that was a chaplaincy Shay there was a big win for the
Speaker:labor party in south Australia.
Speaker:Did you have any thoughts in relation to what happened there?
Speaker:Just listen to some analysis.
Speaker:So without Mr.
Speaker:Xenophon, there was some votes to have and labor got a lot of them.
Speaker:And I didn't realize that Stephen Marshall opened the borders the
Speaker:day before Alma Cron kicked off.
Speaker:So the day before, the day after it was announced, the, this new before, because
Speaker:the day before, so here's a bit cavalier.
Speaker:Is that what you're saying?
Speaker:So the analysis is saying that basically he opened the borders, let all my
Speaker:chronic pain and ruined Christmas what south Australians are saying.
Speaker:And so he, that's why he's one of the reasons he is a a longer in government.
Speaker:So there was that, and then he kept relying on his credibility
Speaker:as a primary, ah, instead of outlining his plan for what now.
Speaker:So that's another reason why he was saying, and then apparently saw the
Speaker:fellows quite charismatic, actually it's because labor ran a smear campaign and it
Speaker:was nothing to do with the policies of.
Speaker:The liberal party and it was all to do with labor being mean and online
Speaker:anyway, and Simon, Birmingham, right?
Speaker:Let's be premiere.
Speaker:He's very good looking, charming looking guy fit.
Speaker:And he spoke very well.
Speaker:And the, you know, he needs speech where he climbed off.
Speaker:But I dunno, call me crazy, but I just can't trust it.
Speaker:A Catholic from the shoppies union.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And that's what I was thinking about too.
Speaker:So I got out the book.
Speaker:You lent me.
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:I forget.
Speaker:I've got my background on, so dear listener, if you're ever researching
Speaker:anything, Trevor is an excellent result and Halan may have booked for one of
Speaker:my subjects called corporate power in Australia through the 1% rule.
Speaker:And one of the other great things about borrowing books from Trayvon is all
Speaker:the good bits are highlighted for you.
Speaker:I was, I was wracking my brain because it's from this book, but I had this
Speaker:feel around the shoppies union.
Speaker:And I just wanted to like clear up where I, where I'd become so suspicious of them.
Speaker:And it's this.
Speaker:It's towards the end of the book that it just says, it's talking about contracts
Speaker:and big business and government, and it says a more sinister explanation is the
Speaker:it's around Coles and Woolworths, Coles, and Woolworths have a notorious close
Speaker:relationship with the shoppies union.
Speaker:The SDA, which has the largest voting block in the labor party.
Speaker:Shoppies union is criticized for having an arrangement with the supermarkets
Speaker:where they facilitate their thousands of low paids being made members of the
Speaker:union, delivering the union, large numbers and political power and return to your
Speaker:union negotiates, very employer friendly terms and conditions for their workforce.
Speaker:It was a scandal when an enterprise agreement struck between the union and
Speaker:calls was disallowed by the fair work commission where the bar is pretty low.
Speaker:Ladies and gentlemen, because it left workers worse off Coles and
Speaker:Woolworths acting through the shell pays may have been able to
Speaker:pressure labor into running quiet on.
Speaker:Exactly what combination of these layers of power was at work is not
Speaker:clear, but its effects are evident.
Speaker:And I just thought that last sentence in particular was important because you
Speaker:can see it all through the labor party.
Speaker:In the past couple of weeks, with all the coverage around power factory
Speaker:unions, it's all got to get in claim.
Speaker:Oh, well that'll never happen.
Speaker:But mission into it, I'd say, yeah, we're all commission into unions.
Speaker:They found nothing.
Speaker:I can't remember.
Speaker:But yeah, I mean the shoppies are just notorious for having a lot of power
Speaker:because I've got a lot of members and, and being very Catholic and very conservative.
Speaker:And I think I read stuff where he had previously been.
Speaker:You know, anti-abortion anti equal marriage equality and things like that.
Speaker:I, I haven't investigated fully and on an amendment, apparently a
Speaker:DDD voted against a controversial abortion until birth amendment passed
Speaker:under the former liberal government.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:He comes from the rush of ALP.
Speaker:Yeah, it was, was from the conservative shoppies union.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, so I'm worried about what will happen there, but we'll see, who knows
Speaker:you started off with a lovely speech.
Speaker:So we'll see.
Speaker:But my antenna up and I'm fearful of what he might say.
Speaker:So Joe, you sent this particular graph that you had found from eternity news,
Speaker:actually from your regular reader of eternity, Joe, via the rationalist.
Speaker:Ah, right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Aternity dear listener is the newsletter for.
Speaker:Christian groups.
Speaker:Oh, it's a tide Christian newsletter.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And the bit that got you was something they mentioned in the article that
Speaker:they lobbied hard for some Christian party, something, the family first
Speaker:party who turned out 30 out of 47 seats.
Speaker:So they had a candidate in 30 seats.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And effectively 3.8% of first preference votes.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And they said effectively, they think that Clive Palmer's United Australia.
Speaker:Oh, sorry.
Speaker:Family first might be lucky or an essay in a Senator election.
Speaker:If the United Australia party drags down one nation, but they figure
Speaker:that I'm family first, last one.
Speaker:To a lot of conservative votes.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Well, one nation only got 2.7% looks like.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So at the end of the day, just as a first preference, labor still end,
Speaker:they got 40.4% liberals got 34.6.
Speaker:Obviously the greens at 9.6% would have literally all gone to the labor party.
Speaker:One assumes I would say.
Speaker:So yeah, that's south Australia, labor state premiers everywhere except new south
Speaker:Wales and sort of gone against the grain where prem state premiers have done well,
Speaker:because they've been seen largely to have done a good job in terms of responding
Speaker:to the pandemic and other issues like a disaster is normally an opportunity.
Speaker:I government, it normally helps incumbent.
Speaker:Well, you got to do is access the emergency funding.
Speaker:That's sitting in a pot off to the side and start spending it and deploy
Speaker:the army and to spend it quickly.
Speaker:And it's a simple formula unless, unless of course you're Scott Morrison
Speaker:and the idea of government actually doing something is just a Natha man.
Speaker:Like that's not what that just goes against what they think
Speaker:government should be doing.
Speaker:So anyway, let's get onto kitchen.
Speaker:So who passed away and other heart attack at a relatively young age and she had
Speaker:some pre-existing thyroid condition.
Speaker:I think it was.
Speaker:And boy, oh boy, there's been a lot of a lot of.
Speaker:Media about it and look all the talk over the last 3, 4, 5.
Speaker:How many years about the appalling treatment of the Morrison
Speaker:government of women generally.
Speaker:And this one issue comes out where a female labor politician dies of a
Speaker:heart attack, a mid her allegations of bullying and the right-wing media has
Speaker:just latched onto it as you'd expect.
Speaker:I mean, we, skying is not Kress, shamelessly deriding the labor
Speaker:and Albanese, if it had all been the other way around, you
Speaker:wouldn't have heard blue about.
Speaker:But but of course it's a chance they saw or to have a dig at the labor party.
Speaker:I mean, it's, I, I, as you know, dear listener, I read the career
Speaker:mail the Australian every day.
Speaker:I now purposely in my mind, as I begin, I go to myself as a, as a sort of a
Speaker:mantra, Trevor, this is not a newspaper.
Speaker:This is just the liberal party, local newsletter.
Speaker:Think of it that way.
Speaker:It's not a newspaper, it's a newsletter by a propaganda outfit.
Speaker:And you might just get some interesting, independent news about sport or something,
Speaker:but the commentary is so biased anyway.
Speaker:Even the ABC, the whole kitchens drama though shows that, that despite the
Speaker:fact that people apparently don't buy newspapers it sets the agenda and the.
Speaker:News outlets followed.
Speaker:So the ABC was also wall-to-wall coverage way beyond what was
Speaker:fair in this, in this news item.
Speaker:And forensically examining whether the labor party had anything to
Speaker:answer for in terms of catching in the, and the bullying allegation.
Speaker:And I just felt that was lazy journalism by the ABC in many respects to just to
Speaker:just accept the agenda that had been set by the Murdoch press and, and just
Speaker:add more fuel onto the, onto the fire.
Speaker:I thought of, of a fairly nothing argument.
Speaker:I mean, There's no medical evidence that she died of bullying.
Speaker:But you would think reading the papers that's what's happened that she somehow
Speaker:committed suicide and left a suicide note saying I've done this because
Speaker:of the bullying I was subjected to.
Speaker:That's, that's what you would think had happened by the way things are written.
Speaker:So we always are heading on, this is the agenda setting by the Murdoch and sky
Speaker:news, the, the sheep, like following of it by the ABC is just really disappointing.
Speaker:And so the good reporting by crikey.
Speaker:Fearless reporting.
Speaker:I think so deal this.
Speaker:Now I've been sort of banging on about crikey for the last few months about how I
Speaker:thought had been doing a pretty good job.
Speaker:And when we're talking about independent news sources that are worth paying for
Speaker:and supporting, I mentioned gentleman and new blog and crikey in the same breath
Speaker:almost Crocky subscriber, you know?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But like I did a lot of good stuff on Hillsong and, and religious stuff
Speaker:and, and the kitchens, one guy Randall did some excellent stuff and look, I
Speaker:could go through it forensically what he said, but I'll try and summarize
Speaker:it, which was kitchen was part of the bill shorten faction and bill shorten.
Speaker:When he lost out after the last election lost power and she
Speaker:subsequently lost power as well.
Speaker:And of course the labor as with all parties is about factional power.
Speaker:So she had sort of got into her position because of her close ties to shorten
Speaker:and therefore was in danger of losing her spot because of her close type
Speaker:of issue once he was out of favor.
Speaker:The other part that they mentioned is that the guy Randall mentions is that
Speaker:you know, she was a factional power player and not a great advocate for the
Speaker:the people she was meant to represent and very much on the right wing.
Speaker:She was a hard huh.
Speaker:Very sort of anti China and it seems had leaked some labor party tactics to the
Speaker:liberal party, particularly about the girl in parliament house who was alleged.
Speaker:It was, she was raped.
Speaker:It was an I'm not, not Christ time and the other girl Brittany Higgins.
Speaker:So there was a very strong allegation that she had leaked to the liberal party.
Speaker:What was going to happen with Brittany Higgins in terms of labor party tactics.
Speaker:So she had been dropped from a sort of a tactics committee and of course
Speaker:her version is that she was bullied.
Speaker:It's equally sort of arguable, well, you're out of favor because of
Speaker:shorten you're out of favor because of deep suspicion that you had been
Speaker:leaking stuff you are sort of a hard right-winger anti-China almost
Speaker:neo-con, you're not really fitting in here with what we're trying to do.
Speaker:So of course she was gonna cop some flack.
Speaker:So you're a, you're a hard ass political operative, and you'll just, you
Speaker:know, treated the way everyone else was not necessarily because you're
Speaker:a woman and you're being bullied.
Speaker:So that was the, the guest of the first Rundle article.
Speaker:And then the second one was more alike that faction that she's
Speaker:part of is actually leaking a lot of this information.
Speaker:To the press now about her allegations of bullying that she'd made to different
Speaker:people at different times and, and almost ready to blow up the labor party
Speaker:in the process giving ammunition to the other side and just really self
Speaker:destructive work by her faction is all the allegations from the Rondel article.
Speaker:And there was a, he seemed to know what he was talking about.
Speaker:He
Speaker:seemed to have done his homework.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So I mean, she's dead now has passed away.
Speaker:So there's no defamation against her.
Speaker:Or she can't, you know, you can say whatever you like about
Speaker:it, it's, you know, it's not nice to speak ill of the dead.
Speaker:And a lot of this was.
Speaker:Before her funeral, the day of a funeral it's pretty ugly, but the
Speaker:fact that stuff was coming out and even at the funeral, the eulogy by
Speaker:her husband was pretty antsy, you know, blaming the way she was treated.
Speaker:So if people say, well, you shouldn't speak ill of the dead
Speaker:on their day of the funeral.
Speaker:Well, at a funeral, you shouldn't really be pointing at people and saying
Speaker:you're bullying was kind of responsible in part for where we are today.
Speaker:It's a very messy, ugly scenario, getting way more attention for the
Speaker:wrong reasons than it should get.
Speaker:And it was some very good articles in crikey by, by that thing.
Speaker:And it was eye opening, mill jive for anyone in the labor party,
Speaker:looking to participate in that, I'm thinking, oh my God, if this is what
Speaker:factional battles are all about.
Speaker:Yikes.
Speaker:So despite all that shy on that very day, all that was happening, I did
Speaker:renew my labor party membership.
Speaker:I don't know why.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I've got to hurry up.
Speaker:I've got a little 31st of March.
Speaker:I renewed it.
Speaker:Partly because there was a threat in there.
Speaker:If you don't renew, then you'll lose your voting.
Speaker:And at some stage down the track, Shay, I may need to vote for you in,
Speaker:I don't get interested in factional warfare.
Speaker:Sounds like I'll never get that, which I am not interested in the other side.
Speaker:I just wanted to say about it was that almost the day after she
Speaker:died, bill shorten went on, right.
Speaker:RN breakfast.
Speaker:Do you hear the interview?
Speaker:So it did seem to be, I did.
Speaker:And he did seem to be genuinely grieving.
Speaker:It seems to be certainly on bad advice that he'd be there at all.
Speaker:Basically toward the end, he said Maybe if I'd never got her into politics,
Speaker:this wouldn't have happened, right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:One remark just set it off.
Speaker:And I don't know what it's like for, I can't actually speak on behalf of
Speaker:all women, but when I hear remarks like that, I hear she couldn't cope.
Speaker:That's what I hear yelling at may by the Murdoch press with all this
Speaker:shit is women can't cope in politics.
Speaker:That's the message they want to deliver.
Speaker:And yeah, I just twist with rage at that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Because there doesn't seem to be anything in this that relates to her
Speaker:specifically as being a woman there wasn't except for one comment by Penny Wong.
Speaker:He said something to her at one point, oh, if you'd have had children, you wouldn't,
Speaker:you wouldn't be doing what you're doing.
Speaker:Some why she was voting or whatever it was.
Speaker:So, and that was a comment by a woman, to a woman, the sort of attacks on her don't
Speaker:appear to have been sexist in any way.
Speaker:They just seem to have been ideological difference, factional difference, pretty
Speaker:much what you'd expect if she was a man that doesn't seem to be anything
Speaker:that was gender related to this at all.
Speaker:But there is a response by some which seems to be, well, she should have been.
Speaker:Treated better, but almost because she's a woman.
Speaker:So look, I know that when you're a public figure, it's a bit different to
Speaker:like politician versus a cricketer, or we certainly don't seem to be picking
Speaker:apart Shane Warren's character, which some could very well be picked apart.
Speaker:He's getting to die.
Speaker:Well, lots of people were critical of Shane Warne over the years, and nobody
Speaker:ever said that criticism killed him.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:He's lovers.
Speaker:But he had plenty of to track the tractors.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Things that got his heart pumping.
Speaker:It was the press finding all of the bad comments.
Speaker:Might've shown warning saying you killed him.
Speaker:I'm serious.
Speaker:Kill them.
Speaker:Now, one of the things that's come up in this kitchen affair
Speaker:is that she had made allegations of bullying at different times.
Speaker:And she'd put it in writing.
Speaker:And Randall says that that was done as part of legal warfare where basically
Speaker:she laid the groundwork to that at a later stage, she could protect her
Speaker:pre-selection by saying, look, you've been bullying me for the last two years.
Speaker:Here's my allegations.
Speaker:Have it in writing you better.
Speaker:Pre-select me.
Speaker:Otherwise, I'm going to blow the lid on how I've been
Speaker:bullied like that essentially, I think is the Rundle argument.
Speaker:So if true, that's a really, that's really playing a hard, tough.
Speaker:Factional politics, where you're, where you're setting your
Speaker:ammunition day on in advance.
Speaker:And that reminded me, and I told you about it before the fall we started
Speaker:recording, but dear listener, I I used to know a applying close detective
Speaker:and he said that it was common.
Speaker:Oh, actually.
Speaker:And somebody in the chat might actually confirm as for us amongst
Speaker:plain clothes detectives that even though mentally, they were feeling
Speaker:fine that they would purposefully book appointments with a counselor or
Speaker:a psychologist once or twice a year.
Speaker:And just say things like, yeah, it's pretty stressful.
Speaker:Sometimes it's gets to me, but I think I'm okay.
Speaker:And really just sort of sowing the seeds of potential mental
Speaker:difficulties with the job.
Speaker:So that at a later point.
Speaker:If they did something where they might want to have to claim they
Speaker:were mentally unstable or whatnot.
Speaker:They had a battery of psychiatry examinations that they could refer
Speaker:to and say, yeah, you know, I have admins, you know, I did hit that guy,
Speaker:that battery, that, you know, I've been battling demons and I've been seeing a
Speaker:psychologist for the last four years, you know, twice a year sort of thing.
Speaker:So people do do things like this, where they lay the groundwork just
Speaker:in case they might need it later on.
Speaker:So anybody in the my pre selection, if I was willing to forego this
Speaker:podcast, join the right facts.
Speaker:I had my.
Speaker:Next next time.
Speaker:That's why I've paid my mind.
Speaker:But yeah, I think yeah, you almost need to find a seat that nobody's interested
Speaker:in and hope that it builds up and becomes a winnable seats and then, and then hope
Speaker:that I parachute somebody in on you.
Speaker:Over the top in the meantime, that's the risks with these guys.
Speaker:You gotta be good, but not too good.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And the seat's gotta be winnable, but not so winnable that they'll
Speaker:perish some celebrity candidate.
Speaker:That's a fine line.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So yeah, that's kitchens now.
Speaker:I think I will read a little bit of Michael West media.
Speaker:He also had some good words to say, and I'll read some of it.
Speaker:He said the ABC had a choice this week, amplifying verdicts Murdoch's
Speaker:toxic mean girls coverage or expose NewsCorp for exploiting the death of
Speaker:Kimberly kitchen for political purposes.
Speaker:It made the wrong choice.
Speaker:You management is in order.
Speaker:Rupert Murdoch's news corporation is the story, not the sad sudden death of Senator
Speaker:Kimberly kitchen, and certainly not the grotesque narrative being peddled by news.
Speaker:Corp's rabid propagandists.
Speaker:And let me just say, he says bullying's widespread.
Speaker:He said there are some good writers out there and journalists I'll come back.
Speaker:I think think I'll go to his last paragraph.
Speaker:That kind of sums it up.
Speaker:Morning TV and radio producers arrive at work around 4:00 AM.
Speaker:They get their fodder mostly from nine and news, newspapers and websites,
Speaker:largely without question, although the ABC radio is often better on scrutiny,
Speaker:they reproduce the nine and news stories which are written of course in
Speaker:line with coalition political agendas.
Speaker:So it is that Morrison and co control the daily news cycle.
Speaker:The corporate media rarely dares to follow anything in independent
Speaker:media, such as Michael West or crikey or people like that.
Speaker:It's too early in the morning and he concludes.
Speaker:And increasingly captured media has spurred growth in independent
Speaker:media, inspiring community support.
Speaker:People know there is a problem.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We have the disadvantage of competing for audience against large
Speaker:subsidized corporations having to buy texts and tackle defamation
Speaker:threats with tiny balance sheets.
Speaker:So actually that wasn't the last bit.
Speaker:Let me find the last I'll skip that, but essentially he's right.
Speaker:That that they're just lazy and look at what was printed in the paper, which is
Speaker:just a propaganda sheet or what was on the news, which is also a propaganda sheet.
Speaker:And just repeat it.
Speaker:Meanwhile, things like friendly duties, you know, the friendly Jordy's
Speaker:with the whole exposition on Dutton, not a peep, not, not a peep, but.
Speaker:Mountains of stuff about Kimberly kitchen and not a paper a bit about Peter Dutton.
Speaker:So that's the sad state of affairs of our media that we're in.
Speaker:And yeah.
Speaker:Keep looking at those independent sites.
Speaker:What was that job?
Speaker:I said they don't want the AFP kicking down the door.
Speaker:That's why.
Speaker:Yeah, but they've got the resources and yeah, I think they're lazy.
Speaker:And I think, I mean, they've obviously got deadlines.
Speaker:They're going to push out lots of stuff.
Speaker:I don't think they've got time to stop and try and understand things,
Speaker:but I'm might be a bit fearful.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:They would be fearful as well, I guess.
Speaker:And it's just the headache.
Speaker:I mean, if you were to come out in a mainstream media piece and write
Speaker:what crikey did about Kitching.
Speaker:You know, that'd be complaints to the ABC board.
Speaker:You'd be spend the next three weeks or three months probably answering
Speaker:allegations of bias and having to report to the board and justify
Speaker:your actions and all the rest of it.
Speaker:It's quite possible.
Speaker:You just think I can't, I can't do it.
Speaker:I'll just give a fluff piece and move on.
Speaker:Cause it's not worth the effort.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:Maybe.
Speaker:So, but it's depressing.
Speaker:I want you, I want you to be a listener.
Speaker:Let me just see what other comments some of the comments
Speaker:on Twitter quite good on this.
Speaker:So one lady said, give me a call when the ILP has been implicated for a
Speaker:suicide whereby the victim was also allegedly raped by an attorney general
Speaker:and the investigation allegedly scuttled by the new south Wales police.
Speaker:Good point.
Speaker:Imagine if the media took and ran with the allegations against Peter Dutton
Speaker:that were laid out recently, as hard as they're piling on the bullying
Speaker:allegations against labor Linda Reynolds called a staff member who alleged rape
Speaker:Aline cow, openly to other staff yet the LNP want to talk about bullying.
Speaker:Todd Cameron says the Murdoch empire who illegally hacked a murdered schoolgirl's
Speaker:phone, bragged police and disgraced.
Speaker:Journalism has again cut its.
Speaker:Characterizations loose to attack labor and protect Morrison this
Speaker:disgusting organization and its rags are a blight on decency in democracy.
Speaker:That is so true.
Speaker:Yeah, so, so that was all that on kitchens and mean girls RT has been told to talk
Speaker:up who's the Fox talking head Fox news.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I know the guy you mean, but I can't.
Speaker:Well apparently he's been so pro Putin and pro Russia, RT had been
Speaker:told to use his clips or often is.
Speaker:Speaking of RT my interview on RT, I did find somewhere I'll
Speaker:put a link in the show notes.
Speaker:So if you want to see my art team interview, it is out there not an
Speaker:artsy, but somebody else's sort of do you need me to buy it for you?
Speaker:Yes, maybe.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:So it is still out there.
Speaker:I just like the comments on it because these people in the comment
Speaker:section, you know, obviously call me evil and all sorts of stuff, but the
Speaker:best part is they think I'm Jewish.
Speaker:I say, look at his nose.
Speaker:He's got so yeah, we need to archive it for posterity, just for the comments.
Speaker:Let's see.
Speaker:So elbows looking good.
Speaker:Like he's lost weight.
Speaker:He's won some lovely fittings suits.
Speaker:Hair's looking good.
Speaker:And your glasses, maybe you sort of, the crew have met em and they, they
Speaker:all say, oh, I got some time for Alba.
Speaker:They never said about bill shorten.
Speaker:And Scott Morrison said in response to that, I'm not
Speaker:pretending to be anybody else.
Speaker:I'm still wearing the same sunglasses, sadly, the same suits.
Speaker:I lie about the same size.
Speaker:And I don't mind a bit of Italian cuisine.
Speaker:I'm not pretending to be anyone else.
Speaker:And when you're prime minister, you can't pretend to be anyone else.
Speaker:So he wasn't pretending to be a hairdresser or a welder
Speaker:that's right.
Speaker:Or a bloke from the the, the west end of Sydney.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's just relentless.
Speaker:He's lying.
Speaker:So he doesn't think he's.
Speaker:He just doesn't think people are.
Speaker:Yeah, I dunno.
Speaker:He must know he's lying a bit.
Speaker:I dunno.
Speaker:It's tied to psychoanalyze.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:He just thinks he's a good guy.
Speaker:They're all bad guys.
Speaker:Sandwich like ends justify the means nobody's listening anyway.
Speaker:I'll just wrap it things off and it doesn't matter whether it's true or not.
Speaker:And whether I get fact-checked doesn't matter because nobody
Speaker:will really fact checkers and I'll get my soundbite and I'll set
Speaker:another I'll, I'll be in the news.
Speaker:It's just ludicrous for him to say that he doesn't pretend to be someone
Speaker:else when every minute of the day he's welding something without a
Speaker:proper mask on, or he's going to visit Harvey's vest on a truck,
Speaker:tooting the horn, or as you're saying, washing somebody's hair or whatever.
Speaker:Goodness me.
Speaker:So Actually a shy this is a good one to check with you about let me just find
Speaker:I'll just get this thing up on the screen.
Speaker:And it's
Speaker:There was a logo for the women's network, another government initiative.
Speaker:And so it's up on the screen.
Speaker:Most people would have seen this about this women's network logo and okay.
Speaker:It seems that the consensus is that it looks like men or men's genitalia.
Speaker:Shall we?
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:I dunno.
Speaker:I looked at it and I thought it was a temp, a tampon with that
Speaker:was my immediate impression.
Speaker:And I was reading some other comments where this woman said, she looked at
Speaker:it and thought it was man's genitalia.
Speaker:And her husband looked at it and thought it was women's breasts.
Speaker:So this is a bit like those ink stones where you put something in front of
Speaker:somebody and you say, what do you see that tells you something about
Speaker:the person, the mommy and daddy?
Speaker:I actually do see that now.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's like that milkshake commercial thing, without trying to demonstrate
Speaker:how to give informed consent with the lamest milkshake video, there's
Speaker:nothing this government can get, right.
Speaker:They can't even do a women's network or logo without just stuffing it up.
Speaker:So
Speaker:Nobody was, nobody was tested.
Speaker:Nobody was like, when you look at this
Speaker:really inspired and empowered by that ladies, deliberate, they were seeing if
Speaker:they could pull one over, maybe, maybe got a bay, it's got to be a dig in.
Speaker:It's got to be a dig.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well it's like I was saying a few weeks ago, the Morrison
Speaker:government is like the producers.
Speaker:It's a, it's a satirical performance.
Speaker:They're just, they're not serious.
Speaker:They're trying to just let the producers charge.
Speaker:Run a Broadway play that everyone would hate because of a tax scam.
Speaker:And it would be a disaster.
Speaker:Somehow Morrison is running a government on purpose that if I'm
Speaker:will hate for some scam, that hasn't yet quite become apparent to me,
Speaker:but he can genuinely be trying.
Speaker:I wouldn't have thought with, it's got to be, it's just,
Speaker:yeah, he's throwing this out.
Speaker:So now these pesky women get upset, so he doesn't have to do anything.
Speaker:And then he did the milkshake ad and it wasn't suitable because all the work
Speaker:left, people think it's not good enough.
Speaker:So he doesn't have to do anything.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, you know, he has done one thing though.
Speaker:He's made an announcement for the poor people of Ukraine.
Speaker:Guess what?
Speaker:We're sending them.
Speaker:Oh, how much coal scapes.
Speaker:Oh, honestly, if you see the headline.
Speaker:If you swear that you're watching, you're just reading the chaser headlines or the
Speaker:Petula advocate or something Australia helping Ukraine sending over ship.
Speaker:There was a, I smelled money.
Speaker:I'm just trying to remember I think it was independent Australia.
Speaker:There was an article that said why are we sending Australian coal?
Speaker:Because it's going to cost us a fortune to ship it.
Speaker:We're going to have to ship it to Poland.
Speaker:And they dig up coal in Poland.
Speaker:So we could've just bought coal in Poland from the Polish directly.
Speaker:And what's the odds.
Speaker:It never actually arrives.
Speaker:And we've just paid this coal company, $20 million for coal.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's another way of just basically giving money to coal.
Speaker:And to be liberal donors.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I was going to say, you see if you just gave money to the Ukrainian so they
Speaker:could buy it from the polls that would bypass the whole transfer of money
Speaker:to a liberal party donor, basically.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So it might be my industrial deafness.
Speaker:You're a little quiet.
Speaker:Okay, excellent again.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:So that's what Morrison has done.
Speaker:He's delivered a shipload of Caldwell.
Speaker:Well, he's announced, of course this is just, it's always about
Speaker:announcements with this group.
Speaker:So the polling is looking horrendous for the Morrison government.
Speaker:I've got some polls, but they're kind of like two weeks old now.
Speaker:So but every poll you see now seems to show that that delay.
Speaker:It's going well, even a very recent poll from Roy Morgan
Speaker:showed they were going well.
Speaker:And it seems impossible for the LMP to win the next election, but stranger
Speaker:things have happened ever made.
Speaker:So let me just there's one other thing that came up, I want to share
Speaker:this one, if I can, is I don't know if you saw this picture at all.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I've also seen various captions added to the cat.
Speaker:Yes, indeed.
Speaker:So he just tries to paint himself as something that he's not.
Speaker:And a cat has now appeared in the Morrison household that nobody's ever
Speaker:seen before and press looking at.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And Scott Morrison's.
Speaker:Comment for his own photo was you've met buddy before, but this is Charlie.
Speaker:He's been a part of our family for almost 10 years.
Speaker:And he's definitely in charge.
Speaker:And most Twitter comments were a variation of the theme, which
Speaker:was Amy's cat fucking an item.
Speaker:So,
Speaker:yeah, so that was the Morrison cats.
Speaker:I mean, it's a Morrison bash Fest I'm on, but every everything you just turns to.
Speaker:So you know, he announced that we are a launch nation.
Speaker:We are a space nation.
Speaker:We are an astronauts name.
Speaker:We were a nation that had space lab fall on it.
Speaker:But aside from that was about the closest we'd go.
Speaker:Not only do.
Speaker:He himself pretend to be things that he's not, but he's now
Speaker:projecting that onto the rest of it.
Speaker:We are a launch nation.
Speaker:We are a space nation.
Speaker:We are an astronaut nation.
Speaker:You can get in front of the camera and just say the most complete shit.
Speaker:I, I th I think he ought to somebody ought to slip the space Australia
Speaker:website and let him announce that you've seen space Australia.
Speaker:No, it's Australian research and space exploration, right.
Speaker:Known by their acronym.
Speaker:A R S E.
Speaker:Oh, okay.
Speaker:I honestly say very good.
Speaker:There's a website and you can buy t-shirts with ARS on them.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Julia says, can we get a content warning before you put up Morrison photos?
Speaker:I felt ill now.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So that is true.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I won't put up the Peter Dutton photo then in that case, I'll hold that one off.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, so then our Dutton, I believe today announced space force because there was
Speaker:an article in the Australian saying that he was going to, this is an article I
Speaker:got from a couple of days ago saying that today on Tuesday, defense minister,
Speaker:Peter Dutton will flag the creation of an Australian space force in a speech
Speaker:on Tuesday, marking the standing up of a new space command division within the
Speaker:Australian Royal Australian air force.
Speaker:I mean, this is an example of injustice of a government that we pay
Speaker:for just dropping scoops on to their favorite media outlets, arguing the
Speaker:Australian should not be a thing.
Speaker:Anyway he says, he'll tell the air force is Aaron space power conference that
Speaker:the growing militarization of space will require Australia take a more proactive
Speaker:role to deter attacks on the nations satellite assets make motor space.
Speaker:We are looking forward.
Speaker:It's a necessary endeavor with a view to protecting our national interests.
Speaker:Now our need for a space force in the future.
Speaker:The reference to an Australian space force suggests a fully fledged branch
Speaker:of the armed forces that would stand alongside the army Navy and air force.
Speaker:And as Bernard Keane and crikey points out, we can't look after flood victims
Speaker:or aged care residents or provide housing for young people or mental health
Speaker:services or close the gap, but let's have a media release about space force.
Speaker:Again, it's just, they just love an announcement.
Speaker:And yeah, space force.
Speaker:Did anybody go?
Speaker:What a great thing.
Speaker:What a great idea.
Speaker:I'm all for that.
Speaker:And I can, I can easily conceive the government pulling this off.
Speaker:Surely not.
Speaker:No, no.
Speaker:So there'll be just yet another announcement I flee
Speaker:where nothing ever happens.
Speaker:Talking of space forces.
Speaker:Do you see the cosmic olds?
Speaker:Was this where they've sort of been redacted from something they, they turned
Speaker:up on the ISS, I think wearing yellow uniforms with blue flashes on it because
Speaker:they, yeah, they apparently had lots of leftover material and it was nothing
Speaker:to do with them supporting your grain.
Speaker:Is that right side Russian cosmonauts war.
Speaker:Ukrainian colors in spice?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I think I saw the picture, but I didn't actually read the article.
Speaker:So yeah.
Speaker:What else have we got here?
Speaker:So there's a guy called Shane stone haze, the national recovery
Speaker:and resilience agency coordinated.
Speaker:And he was appointed to the job by Scott Morrison to help people in the
Speaker:regions, cope with floods and fires.
Speaker:And and he effectively blind the F the victims.
Speaker:He said, you've got people who want to live among the gumtrees.
Speaker:What do you think is going to happen?
Speaker:The house falls in the river.
Speaker:And I say, it's the government's fault.
Speaker:And this is the guy in charge of the national recovery and resilience.
Speaker:How did the guys like this get into these positions with zero empathy for the people
Speaker:who supposed to be helping, obviously it might've Scott Morrison saying, well, it
Speaker:sounds, sounds like hell some really, yes.
Speaker:There were questions asked about how much the Hillsong church
Speaker:would doing for the flood victims.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Not a dollar to be seen, no doubt all by the way, always in Lismore and the
Speaker:last week and a complete disaster design driving into Murwillumbah just the
Speaker:streets lining the mind routing of just got mountains of mattresses furniture,
Speaker:just piled meat is high in front of the houses, waiting for the skip to come along
Speaker:to be dumped into, or just picked up.
Speaker:And it's a disaster designed the truck that headed down to Kirribilli house, no
Speaker:headed down from, I think it was Lismore with a truck full of just flood Detroit.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Cause they were going to dump the doorway of Kara valley house only to
Speaker:find that the police had closed the road.
Speaker:So they took various bits and pieces, including a door that had
Speaker:got soaked and wrote messages on it.
Speaker:And then post for photos outside Kirribilli house with all the flood
Speaker:debris basically saying Morrison, this is a, this is your inaction
Speaker:on climate change has caused this.
Speaker:You're responsible.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So yeah, people in Lismore totally crushed customers of mine who have
Speaker:been there for, you know, their entire lives and run businesses in the
Speaker:CBD and to live by the flood plain.
Speaker:Yes, indeed.
Speaker:And they're all crushed and that town, I can't see it recovering those people.
Speaker:Can't do it again.
Speaker:So it's really sad.
Speaker:It's not like you could just, you know, like grant them here in Queensland.
Speaker:Flooded.
Speaker:It was just a small little town and they basically found a plot of land
Speaker:on high ground and just shifted the entire town to higher ground.
Speaker:But I don't think you can do that in Lismore.
Speaker:I it's, it's too big.
Speaker:And B there's just not a lot of land around that.
Speaker:Isn't on a floodplain in that area.
Speaker:There's not a lot of high ground to go to, but I mean it's conversation on
Speaker:Sunday with a friend of mine and you can't do this in the Pacific islands either.
Speaker:You can't move the people of fade J to fucking high ground.
Speaker:You have to do something
Speaker:other than this.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We're not, we're not listening.
Speaker:If you look at new Orleans, although they flooded from time to time, it's the army
Speaker:Corps of engineers who are responsible for building and maintaining all the
Speaker:flood prevention works all the levees.
Speaker:Oh, okay.
Speaker:Yeah, so they're basically, they say, if we keep them trained on civilian projects,
Speaker:when it comes to time of war, they actually know what they're doing, Ryan.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I don't know if we have a similar core here, but no, it's it.
Speaker:So there were places like there's a new Bunnings built, which was built
Speaker:since the last, the previous flood and was meant to be on clear dry lane.
Speaker:Like they'd looked at the worst floods before and built a Bunnings store
Speaker:and it was a meter under by customer.
Speaker:They had a two-story buildings that I needed everything
Speaker:up onto the second floor.
Speaker:And the second floor was flooded.
Speaker:Like it was like four meters or more of water in this town.
Speaker:It's not just waist high.
Speaker:It's an unbelievably deep flooding of, of the town.
Speaker:And yeah, they're just gutted feel sorry for them.
Speaker:Don't know what will happen.
Speaker:I think, you know, no insurance company will insure these people
Speaker:has to be a government to be beside government insurance.
Speaker:I've seen some arguments against national reinsurance saying that at the end of the
Speaker:day it doesn't work and it just basically encourages risky, risky development
Speaker:because somebody else is wearing the risk.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:I don't know what the solution is.
Speaker:Maybe the town of there's more dies.
Speaker:Maybe it was already, maybe it was already dying.
Speaker:I don't know, but I just feel sorry for them.
Speaker:So let me just go back to my list here.
Speaker:I just wanted to say that I think it was today.
Speaker:What's the date today is 22nd.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The Sydney morning Herald just reported that the new south Wales
Speaker:planning minister scrapped an order to consider flood fire risks before
Speaker:building what not already flood fly files, planning, minister, minister,
Speaker:Anthony Roberts scrapped a requirement to consider the risks of floods and
Speaker:fires before building new homes.
Speaker:Only two weeks after it came into effect.
Speaker:And while the state was reeling from a deadly environmental design.
Speaker:So he's revoked a ministerial directive by his predecessor, Robert
Speaker:Stokes, outlining nine principles for sustainable development, including
Speaker:managing the risks of climate change, a decision top architects of branded
Speaker:built, slotted and hard to understand.
Speaker:So they're not just doing nothing.
Speaker:They're actively being negligent.
Speaker:Oh, well develop this.
Speaker:We'll be happy.
Speaker:You sold SaaS and lay by the way.
Speaker:Talking about environmental change.
Speaker:Was that a comment about.
Speaker:Yeah, 20 years ago, you'd never have the defense force
Speaker:involved in projects like this.
Speaker:Oh no, no.
Speaker:That was Mackenzie.
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:It's hard to keep track.
Speaker:Isn't she won.
Speaker:She won the appeal against the kids.
Speaker:Yes, that's right.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So there was a case deal listener where a court had ruled, I think
Speaker:at the federal court level, maybe single judge that a minister had a
Speaker:duty to the future generations to generations, a duty of care, and by
Speaker:expanding new coal mines, that was a breach of that duty potentially.
Speaker:But on appeal, it was found that in fact, they don't have a duty of care.
Speaker:Cause to celebrate for the minister and everybody else.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:She was saying, look, everyone's taken it's a bit out of country.
Speaker:Oh, of course I have a duty of care.
Speaker:Of course, I take my job very seriously.
Speaker:The court ruled that I am just mating the rules of my, you know, my obligation as
Speaker:a minister and that I have made in those.
Speaker:And I don't have to do anymore just to stop getting upset.
Speaker:And she just like pants as she talks.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Just to get me back to the floods.
Speaker:Prime minister, Scott Morrison announced extra financial support would be available
Speaker:for the people in Lismore, Richmond valley and Clarence valley, which will
Speaker:sit in the nationals health seat of page.
Speaker:The neighboring flood affected local government areas of Ballina bar and, and
Speaker:Tweed all in Libre hill seated Richmond have not received the extra $2,000 per.
Speaker:And I can tell you people in Ballina flooded and people in the Willem
Speaker:bar are flooded and that was just outrageous and full marks to Catherine
Speaker:Cusak who was a state Senator.
Speaker:And she basically a liberal party state Senator.
Speaker:He resigned from the liberal party sign.
Speaker:I can't defend that on just outraged, but the whole Northern rivers should
Speaker:have been given funding according to their needs, not according
Speaker:to their local government area.
Speaker:And.
Speaker:There we go, somebody with some principle, finally, Catherine Cusak.
Speaker:Good on you as just isn't it sad?
Speaker:That's the only thing available to her left though.
Speaker:That's the only thing she, she can do where she might actually be able to make
Speaker:some noise, which is resigned, not just get on the phone, so that dip shit at
Speaker:the helm and say, listen, you schmuck.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So you know, it's not Morrison's money.
Speaker:It's not coming out of his own pocket.
Speaker:Why would you just, if got to be so lousy, you're going to be so lousy not to just
Speaker:provide it to the people who need it.
Speaker:Nobody is going to criticize you for that.
Speaker:Yeah, no, no.
Speaker:It's not to spend on voters.
Speaker:It's to spend on Yeah.
Speaker:And it's donors who, who will be objecting if he doesn't spend it on them.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So donors or electorates where you think you need it for keep your electric.
Speaker:I mean, it's just a litany of terrible things.
Speaker:Oh, sorry.
Speaker:Do you listen to, it's a depressing podcast, but it just keep cataloging
Speaker:this nonsense, this crap, these crappy decisions that are just so
Speaker:unnecessary, they're just assholes who just don't give a shit.
Speaker:And what, you know, it's hard to say.
Speaker:What more, what more can you say?
Speaker:Vote them out.
Speaker:Yeah, please.
Speaker:Stuart Robert acting education minister.
Speaker:Hey blind, the bottom 10% of teachers who can't read and write for
Speaker:Australia is plummeting performance.
Speaker:In international education, benchmark tests, his comments were widely
Speaker:reported and came in a speech to independent schools conference,
Speaker:where he made a very clear where these dud teachers can be found.
Speaker:And it's not in the independent school system.
Speaker:Quite, you just don't have them.
Speaker:You don't have the bottom 10% of teachers dragon.
Speaker:The Chinese said that for every teacher you don't have in your
Speaker:organization, guests whereby go and quote government schools, apparently.
Speaker:So Scandinavia where they have its own state run schools.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And what our education outcomes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There are dud teachers out there for sure, but the duds in the independent
Speaker:and in the government sector and And it was just this pro private school
Speaker:rant by the acting education minister.
Speaker:That's just great.
Speaker:Isn't it?
Speaker:The education minister, not just, he's not independent school education minister.
Speaker:He's the education minister.
Speaker:And he just bagged the government sector.
Speaker:Hang on, hang on the state schools, the state schools.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:I'll just keep going on with a litany of bad news and bad decisions.
Speaker:Housing affordability.
Speaker:I wonder if I put this one up in the yes I did.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So you want more good news deal listener or bad news.
Speaker:I'm sorry to do this to you.
Speaker:Why isn't that showing up as a.
Speaker:I'll just tell you what it says, housing market's ranked by affordability.
Speaker:So what they did was they looked at the median house, the median house price.
Speaker:So median house price D listener is all the houses sold in a particular year.
Speaker:Look at the cheapest house and the most expensive house and put
Speaker:them in a list from top to bottom.
Speaker:And the one in the middle of that list is the median house price.
Speaker:And then you've got the median household income, same thing.
Speaker:And so what they did was they took the median house price and divided
Speaker:it by the median house income.
Speaker:So you would want that proportion to be as low as possible.
Speaker:So in Hong Kong, China, which has the number one spot for the least afforded.
Speaker:The multiple is 23.2.
Speaker:Meaning the median house price is 23 times the median house income.
Speaker:So that's by far the worst Hong Kong.
Speaker:Number two on the list, Sydney 15.3.
Speaker:So the median house price divided by the median house income, multiple of 15.
Speaker:And here's the terrifying part.
Speaker:I'll read the top 10 Hong Kong Sydney then Cleaver San Jose,
Speaker:Melbourne Honolulu, San Francisco, or Oakland Los Angeles, Toronto.
Speaker:So we've got Sydney and Melbourne at number two and number five
Speaker:and we've got London is number 13 and Adelaide is number four.
Speaker:Brisbane number 17, her number 20.
Speaker:So Australia's capital cities except for Hobart and Darwin.
Speaker:But basically Sydney, Melbourne two and five and Adelaide at 14 Brisbane at 17 and
Speaker:Perth at 20 as housing affordability been mentioned at all in discussions by either
Speaker:party about to do anything, no, probably require you to take away negative gearing
Speaker:and with an average of what was it?
Speaker:4.2 houses per MP, right?
Speaker:Is that what it is?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:It's something like that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's not easily solved.
Speaker:That's the problem now also saw an article from the Lancet, which looked
Speaker:at excess mortality rights in terms.
Speaker:That was interesting.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Terms of trying to see which let me just try and get this up.
Speaker:Lockdowns don't work.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Lock downs.
Speaker:Don't work.
Speaker:Maybe I can get this up now.
Speaker:Yes I can.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:So there's a map.
Speaker:So it's interesting when you try to work out how many people have died because of
Speaker:COVID and there's all these arguments.
Speaker:Well, people who, you know, they might've had COVID, but they
Speaker:really died of some other thing.
Speaker:They just happen to have covered.
Speaker:And I mean, that's a fair enough argument.
Speaker:It would be tricky.
Speaker:And particularly in crisis situations where lots of people dying, it'd
Speaker:be really tricky to, to come up with the correct figure for what,
Speaker:how many people died of COVID.
Speaker:But the Lancet argued in this article that really the best
Speaker:method is to look at excess deaths.
Speaker:So you really look at a pattern of five years prior to the pandemic.
Speaker:How many people would you expect to die in a year based on the
Speaker:average of the previous five years.
Speaker:And then you look at how many people actually died and you say, well the
Speaker:difference is probably due to the pandemic and that's probably as good
Speaker:a figure as we're ever going to get.
Speaker:And it seems to suggest that the numbers are much greater
Speaker:than I would be otherwise.
Speaker:By counting in other methods.
Speaker:So using that excess deaths sort of data shows a high number of deaths
Speaker:quite often, if you look at that graph that's on the screen, it's
Speaker:sort of color-coded and looking at Australia, New Zealand that dark blue
Speaker:is obviously where you, what are they?
Speaker:And the orange is where you don't want to be.
Speaker:And the interesting thing about Australia was that we are actually,
Speaker:if you're looking at excess deaths in a situation where I'll just re
Speaker:quote from the report here, there's been negative excess mortality rates.
Speaker:So the number of people who have died is actually less than what you would expect.
Speaker:If you looked at the average and they say, in this report, we estimated that
Speaker:several countries, including Australia, New Zealand, Negative excess mortality
Speaker:during the pandemic, the observation is probably due to decreases in
Speaker:mortality from diseases and injuries for which exposure to related risks
Speaker:has been reduced during the pandemic.
Speaker:So young Steve had met and I haven't got a chance to go out and be young and stupid.
Speaker:Yes, indeed.
Speaker:That sort of thing is, you know, people aren't commuting, they're not driving
Speaker:as much, all those other factors.
Speaker:So we're actually, when you look at that graph in a as mean excess
Speaker:mortality, it's, it's, it's actually in the other direction.
Speaker:So, so that was interesting.
Speaker:There was a case in the Northern territory like going to get the
Speaker:dime wrong Coleman Giles Walker, who was shot by a policeman Zachary.
Speaker:And Zachary Rolf was charged with murder or manslaughter.
Speaker:I'm not sure which, but both, both wasn't and found not guilty.
Speaker:And the interesting thing I found from this was basically people were looking
Speaker:at the jury and complaining that the jury didn't have any indigenous people on it.
Speaker:And I thought the interesting part of it was that the way it was framed was if
Speaker:you read carefully, the elders said that there was nobody noticeably indigenous
Speaker:on the jury because you can't tell.
Speaker:They don't, you don't have to fill in your indigenous status and a jury form.
Speaker:I don't think.
Speaker:And certainly that information isn't made public, if it is.
Speaker:And it was really a case of people just looking at the jury and
Speaker:saying, well, they don't seem to be indigenous, but you just can't tell
Speaker:by looking at a jury, it's possible that half of them were indigenous.
Speaker:You would never, it's unlikely, but just looking at so yeah, I just
Speaker:found it interesting in some of the comments where people weren't
Speaker:careful in the way they decide that.
Speaker:And they just assumed that there was no indigenous people on that
Speaker:jury and other people were better with a language in saying there
Speaker:was nobody noticeably indigenous on that jury because we don't know.
Speaker:Apparently the demographics is 30% of the territory are indigenous.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Hey Joe, when I was here a screen and then I take it off.
Speaker:Does that, does that mean the chat disappears?
Speaker:Is that how that no, no, no.
Speaker:I, because the graph was quite small, I took the charge off.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:But, okay.
Speaker:That's how that happened.
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:Yeah, so it's a tricky one, isn't it?
Speaker:I mean, people have to be on the electoral roll and have to respond when they get
Speaker:a notice to say you've got jury duty.
Speaker:And this is one of those things when people talk about critical race theory
Speaker:and you know, the whole idea of critical race theory was that you can make laws
Speaker:that on the face of them are unbiased, but you might because of the way the
Speaker:system works, get a biased result.
Speaker:So critical race theory would say, sure, anybody who wants to be
Speaker:on the electoral roll can be on.
Speaker:And participate in the jury system.
Speaker:And there is nothing in our system, which legally prohibits indigenous
Speaker:people is nothing specific in the legislation about indigenous people.
Speaker:It's pro white people that would lead to a result of having an all white jury.
Speaker:But the fact that there's a system where people in indigenous cultures,
Speaker:you know, don't having a bode with, I get correspondence, you know, culturally
Speaker:don't register for these things.
Speaker:A whole range of factors involved with travel would be a problem as well.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:A whole range of reasons that may in Baxley don't appear on juries to the chat.
Speaker:So as the check disappeared, Joe's, hasn't when you put the chat back up
Speaker:owning you the messages of people.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So, yeah, so that's sort of the critical race theory approach, these
Speaker:things where you can have what seems to be neutral laws, but you end up
Speaker:with results that aren't neutral.
Speaker:And I don't know what the solution is in this case.
Speaker:And it was an idea I'm a lazy, there was an article talking about him being
Speaker:found, not guilty unsaid effectively.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It was a justified self-defense killing.
Speaker:And the problem isn't with that, the problem is a society that sets it up
Speaker:where it's always a black man being angry at the system, possibly and white
Speaker:man with a gun being the policeman.
Speaker:And so the single case is justified homicide, but the society that sets it
Speaker:up in that way, it is skewed against the indigenous people ever broken.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:I think the argument was that a previously, I think had been, I think
Speaker:the idea was the elders were going to bring him in, but there was a funeral
Speaker:that die and it was like, let's just see the dyad and we'll bring
Speaker:him in the next day sort of thing.
Speaker:But yeah.
Speaker:It's tricky.
Speaker:So anyway, I just thought that was interesting things going on there in
Speaker:terms of the appearance of whether people appear to be indigenous or not.
Speaker:And according to spec of what you said about having a solution, I
Speaker:just did a subject in justice, policing diversity groups.
Speaker:So policing looking at placing the homeless, looking at policing
Speaker:Indigenous people, that type of thing.
Speaker:And the only thing that really has any empirical evidence that
Speaker:it may work is familiarity.
Speaker:So saying is saying yourself basically, right?
Speaker:Meaning you're having black coppers, having black coppers, having black
Speaker:jurors, having that sort of thing.
Speaker:Black judges, black magistrates, black politicians unfortunately
Speaker:is not much appeal for indigenous people to become cops.
Speaker:So the option is possibly having them just saying more in other, other places like in
Speaker:the arts and media and that sort of thing.
Speaker:But.
Speaker:Like to here as a potential juror shortly after the verdict was handed down,
Speaker:ABC news reported that here's what the jurors in the murder trial of Constable
Speaker:Zachary roll weren't allowed to hear before handing down their verdict.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So the jury didn't know was that for two years lawyers who stood before them
Speaker:had been arguing over what could and could not be included in the trial.
Speaker:Like, it's really hard for us to say I wouldn't, I wouldn't say anyone's
Speaker:in a position here that hasn't sat down and heard all the evidence.
Speaker:So unless you've sat in the whole trial, we know we're just
Speaker:spending a whole episode talking about how the media skew things.
Speaker:The way they like so and in, okay.
Speaker:And what you've got here is a case where pretty much the prosecution admitted
Speaker:that the first shot was valid and it was the second and third shots that weren't.
Speaker:And so it was all about the two second delay between the
Speaker:first and the second shot.
Speaker:And so, you know, you've, you've got, you've got the prosecution
Speaker:saying the first shot was okay, so you're halfway there.
Speaker:If you've, if you know, we know that much.
Speaker:So yeah, until you sit down and you hear all of it and beyond a reasonable
Speaker:doubt, be sure that it's an high bar, so it doesn't surprise me in
Speaker:the least excellent jury selection.
Speaker:I remember.
Speaker:Doing my time as a juror.
Speaker:And most of the cases where sexual assault when we went in for jury selection,
Speaker:I noticed the defense always picked young females, not on the jury, right.
Speaker:That they're more likely to have empathy to the victim.
Speaker:And so defense didn't want them on.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And, you know, in theory, you could have had 30% of your potential jurors as
Speaker:being indigenous and the defense would have gone challenge to every single one.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But you can only challenge.
Speaker:I don't think, I think America and England do it that way, but I don't
Speaker:think Australia, Australia, the lawyers pink, who they get do they,
Speaker:you can challenge, but you run, but you have a limited number of challenges.
Speaker:So you can't challenge relentlessly.
Speaker:You run out of them.
Speaker:So you have a challenge for.
Speaker:And then you have a challenge without cause, but you've only got a certain
Speaker:number and you, and you run out of them.
Speaker:So but if you do it strategically, yes.
Speaker:Still, if you have enough people on the panel, you know, eventually just run
Speaker:out of challenges and people get on.
Speaker:So yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So that was that that's oh, the other thing was, it turned out that Ben
Speaker:Robert Smith is a mentor for that guy.
Speaker:Did you know that?
Speaker:Just to put a strange coincidence in the wills and the bedroom myth trial, his
Speaker:mother had said this guy had been in.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:The other way round, something like that.
Speaker:I think it was again, somebody who was presumably trying to
Speaker:help the Ben Roberts case yes.
Speaker:Was not helping.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So that was the bit that slipped in there.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I think I think we're getting close.
Speaker:I think we've, we've done enough unless you guys had something you
Speaker:want to get off your chest, then I reckon we will call it a night
Speaker:because I'm on new south Wales time.
Speaker:It's 10 o'clock here.
Speaker:I'm going to get the bed.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I'm a ton, the warehouse guy.
Speaker:He's he's working hard on other stuff, but send a message.
Speaker:He's going to look at the stuff.
Speaker:Thanks, Tom.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:Dear listener, thanks for joining in.
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