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Episode 465 - The final, blood-soaked push

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Episode 465: The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove - A Deep Dive into Recent Global and Local Events

In this episode, hosts Trevor (Iron Fist) and Joe (Tech Guy) discuss a range of pressing issues from the past week. Topics include the collapse of the ceasefire in Gaza, the socioeconomic implications of recent Israeli airstrikes, and the moral complexities faced by both nations and individuals. They also delve into local Australian news, including Peter Dutton’s political stance on Israel, the potential closing of Pine Gap, and the effectiveness of the ORUS deal. The episode touches on broader themes such as media representation of climate change, the troubling nature of antisemitism definitions adopted by Australian universities, and the international response to Trump-era policies. Guest inputs from patrons and a brief mention of personal anecdotes also add depth to the discussions.


00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:56 Episode Recap and Listener Interaction

02:29 Patron Messages and Suggestions

05:26 Israel-Gaza Conflict Overview

09:32 International Reactions and Analysis

27:50 Australian News and Politics

30:43 Factional Politics and the Socialist Equality Party

33:02 Climate Change Beliefs in Australia

36:26 Support for Ukraine and International Relations

41:09 Antisemitism and University Policies

53:10 Trump's Policies and Controversies

01:02:14 Concluding Remarks and Future Plans

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We need to talk about ideas, good ones and bad ones.

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We need to learn stuff about the world.

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We need an honest, intelligent,

thought provoking, and entertaining

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review of what the hell happened on

this planet in the last seven days.

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We need to sit back and listen to

the iron fist and the velvet glove.

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Trevor: Yes, we're back.

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Dear listener, for episode, uh, 465, I

think, iron fist and the velvet glove.

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I'm Trevor, AKA, the iron

fist above me on the screen.

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Looking down kind of

in a Brady Bunch style.

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Joe, the tech guy, evening all.

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And Joe, um, I think Scott

will be joining us shortly.

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I.

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He probably won

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Joe: tonight.

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Trevor: Yeah.

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So we'll see.

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Scott, enter the picture at some stage.

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So, well, it was a big, long

one last week, wasn't it?

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Did anybody out there get through

all three hours of it or did you

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bail about 45 minutes into it?

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Was it three hours?

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I thought it was two.

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Yeah.

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Well it got nearly to two hours.

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50, I think so.

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Okay.

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If you did, you're a true believer.

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Well done.

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Got a lot off my chest.

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Joe and I had an argument,

which is always good discussion.

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Mm-hmm.

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Spirited disagreement.

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Yes.

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Spirited debate.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, if you're in the

chat room, say hello.

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Let me see if I can make

sure I can see the chat.

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Yes.

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Now I can, your comments

will appear on the screen.

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We'll do our best to incorporate them.

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Try not to commit any defamatory

type of libelous action if you could.

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'cause it will necessarily include

us and we don't wanna do that.

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So, um, John's there so.

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He's a bit under the weather

after a 10 day cruise.

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Okay.

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What's on the agenda?

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Well, what's on the agenda indeed.

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Um, uh, a little few

messages from patrons.

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Couldn't deal with those first, then

the ceasefire in Gaza and what happened

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there in terms of its collapse and

then some Australian news I think.

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And, um, and then we'll see how we go.

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I've got enough material again

for another three hours, but Joe,

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I'm a little bit tired tonight.

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Fair enough.

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I don't think I can go much beyond.

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We'll just see what we get through.

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And S West is in the chat room.

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Good on you.

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So, um, so yeah, a few little,

um, bits and pieces from the,

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from the good old patrons.

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So Wayne, um, is one of our patrons,

and he provided a suggestion as to how

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we could cancel the OR arrangement.

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And do it in a way that would

perhaps, um, not cause us to pay any

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penalty and, and all the rest of it.

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So, um, he suggested a letter, um,

from Anthony Albanese to Donald

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Trump Subject ORUS Agreement, A

strategic opportunity for Australia.

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Dear Mr.

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Trump, I want to commend President

Biden for securing the ORUS deal, an

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incredible achievement for Australia.

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We're so grateful that you

continues to support this

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amazing deal initiated by Biden.

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Your backing of these initiatives

is appreciated, and thank you

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for your ongoing support of orus.

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Best regards, Anthony Albanese.

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I, I think Wayne's onto

something there, Joe.

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Um, I, I suspect it, uh, might well work.

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Yeah, that's, that's a good one, Wayne.

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I like that.

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So that's a good way to exit from orcas

without having to be nasty about it.

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So, um.

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So yeah, so that was that one.

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And uh, also, but will we get

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Joe: our 500 million US back?

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Trevor: No, but provided we

don't get sued for 368 billion.

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Mm-hmm.

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Uh, is what we really wanna avoid.

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Um, patron Danny says, pass along.

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My thanks to Joe, the tech

guy for recommending leopards

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ate my face sub Reddit.

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The Chardon Freud really cheers

me up after watching the news.

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So there you go.

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Thank you from Danny.

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For you, Joe, um, noisy.

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Andrew said, um, I think it's

highly unlikely Putin will evade

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anyone else unless like Ukraine.

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The USA provokes it.

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And yes, any peace deal

is better than no deal.

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Yes, Putin may re arm, but so can everyone

else, which is probably way cheaper

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than keeping the current war going.

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Uh, he says also, for 10 plus

years, I had Russian neighbors,

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Vlad was actually his name.

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The Russian neighbor

always used to comment.

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In Moscow.

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We knew we were being covered

in government propaganda and

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shrugged our shoulders at it.

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But you Aussies believe

everything you read regardless

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of how much sense it makes.

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Maybe I should have read that in a, in a

Russian accent, Joe, in Moscow, we knew.

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No, that sounds more Chinese.

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I can't do it.

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Anyway,

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thank you noisy Andrew for that feedback.

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I, I

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Joe: suspect that would be deemed, uh,

almost as bad as blackface these days.

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Trevor: Yes, it probably is.

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Yeah.

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Um, patron, ah, Brett Jones

joined as a silver patron.

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Thank you Brett.

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Much appreciated.

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And my brother Glen upgraded, took gold.

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Fantastic.

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Thank you Glen.

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So yeah, if you'd like to be a patron,

look at the show notes, click on the link.

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Uh, it helps right Joe?

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Um.

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Israel, Gaza and the

ceasefire deal that collapsed.

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Had you kept tabs on this at all?

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And had you discerned, toing

and fros of this at all?

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Joe: I have seen the headlines.

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I saw that, um, they, I can't

remember what the Israelis claimed

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was, the, the breach, but mm-hmm.

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They fired a bunch of

rockets back into, um, Gaza.

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Um, and, and I did notice some

comments about the passive, uh,

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the passivity of the headlines.

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Mm-hmm.

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Uh, not, not saying Oh, that was right.

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It, it was that, um, these rocket attacks

threatened to break the ceasefire.

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Trevor: Yes.

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We'll get onto that.

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Mm, we will.

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Um, so let's just.

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This is terrible.

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Dear listener, the Israel Gaza

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Genocide is reaching its final stage where

they're now just going to wipe out the

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Palestinians that remain and tell 'em,

you either leave or we are killing you.

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And they've more or less said that.

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So, um, a guy Tom Cody on Twitter kind

of summed it up, I think, which seems

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to me fairly accurate from my reading.

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And it's like this phase one of the

ceasefire started on January 19th, a six

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week deal aimed at halting the fighting,

swapping hostages and prisoners, and

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boosting humanitarian aid to Gaza.

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Reports indicate Hamas largely

met its phase one obligations.

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It released 33 Israeli hostages,

some alive, some dead, including

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women, elderly, and others as agreed.

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While Israel freed hundreds of

Palestinian prisoners, numbers vary,

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but it seems from six 20 to 2000 aid

float into Gaza and Israel began a

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partial withdrawal from populated areas.

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Though disputes lingered over the extent

and pace, so the ceasefire hit a snag

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when phase one expired on the 1st of

March, Hamas rejected Israel's push to

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just simply extend to phase one, insisting

that it had to move the process into

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phase two, which promised a permanent

ceasefire and a full Israeli withdrawal.

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And these are steps which Israel

resisted without Hamas disarming

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and seeding control of Gaza.

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Hamas accused Israel of stalling

on aid protocols, blocking

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infrastructure repairs, not

fully withdrawing from key zones.

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Israel meanwhile claimed to master

violated terms by delaying hostage

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releases and not negotiating

Phase two in good faith.

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And the breaking point came when

Hermas refused the extension of phase

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one Israel halted aid on the first.

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On the 2nd of March, citing Hermas

rejection tensions ex escalated.

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And on March 18th, Israel launched

surprise airstrikes killing over

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400 Palestinians, effectively ending

the truce like just in the middle

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of the goddamn, I think it was

night, just launched an airstrike.

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And if you are on media sources like

Twitter and places like that, that show

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the devastation, you just see these

heartbreaking pictures and images.

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Dear listener of a lot of

women and children were killed,

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um, in these airstrikes.

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And you just have these scenes of

four parents clutching their dead

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children and just, and just bodies

of children lying mangled everywhere.

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Anybody who's ever loved a little

child would, which should feel

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heartbroken over, over the scenes.

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And, um, and that's what's gone on.

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So, uh, anyway, um, here's,

I think I've got a clip here.

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Um, now this is a British foreign

minister, let me just get this

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straight, who we've got here.

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bear with me a second chair

of this British chair of the

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Foreign Affairs Select Committee.

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Dame Emily Thornbury.

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Np.

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So UK politician speaking.

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And, um, uh, I'll play a bit of what she

had to say, which sort of explains it.

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So, um.

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Oh, just got a message from Scott.

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His internet is stuffed, so not

joining us, it's just you and me, Joe.

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Joe: Mm-hmm.

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Trevor: Alright.

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Uh, here we go, the phases.

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Emily, what

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Clip: are your thoughts on the interview

and what's happening in, in Garza?

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So, I think that what the, um,

ambassador was failing to, uh.

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Acknowledge is that the deal that was

agreed was one that many people in

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the international community, including

President Biden, felt, had been,

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was ready to go, um, last summer.

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And first of all, there were grave

doubts as to why it had taken so long

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for it to be implemented in January.

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It could have happened much earlier.

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Biden said that, and the rest

of the community feels the

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same, and it happens in phases.

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And as you were trying to say, you know,

phase one is a kind of almost like,

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um, the easy, the easy bit, you know,

you, you release hostages and we will

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release prisoners and there will be a

ceasefire, and then we move to phase two.

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And phase two is Israeli withdrawal,

but still more hostages and

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more prisoners being released.

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And, you know, and, and also

negotiations beginning for what will

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be the long-term future for Gaza.

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Now what happened was that we got

to the 1st of March and the Israelis

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unilaterally, as far as I can see,

said we're not going into phase two.

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We want to just stay on phase one.

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We wanna just keep having more

hostages and releasing prisoners.

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We are not prepared to talk about

moving outta Gaza, nor are we prepared

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to talk about a future for, for Gaza.

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And the reason for that.

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Is because Netanyahu is clinging

onto power by his fingernails.

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He has to pass a budget at the end

of March, and he has to pass that

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budget in order to continue the

government of that he's in charge of.

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And if he isn't in charge of the

government in in Israel, he personally

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gets into a great deal of trouble.

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There are, there are court cases

swirling around and there are

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inquiries and everything else.

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So what he wants to do is he wants to

extend that period as long as he can and

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so that he can keep in, keep in power.

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He then, he then begins the bombing.

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I'm sorry to be quite as brutal

as this, but I really can't see

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any other explanation for this.

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He begins the bombing vir, who's been,

who's pulled outta his government,

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comes back into the government again,

so helping to shore up the government,

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helping to get his budget through.

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And in the meantime, 300 plus Palestinians

are killed and, and the war aims are not

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clear as to what it is that they're doing.

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Who is it that they're going after?

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They say they're still going

after Haas after all this time.

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But how is it if they're going after

Haas in a way which is proportionate,

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that we get so many civilians

that are killed And that is the

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problem and that is the problem.

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These.

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Trevor: Well, Joe, any dispute with that?

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Does it seem, seems like

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Joe: it's the case.

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Look, if, if you kill 500, um, civilians

to get one Hamas member is worth

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Trevor: it.

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Joe: that's, that's proportion, isn't it?

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Trevor: That seems there's a proportion

that's, that seems to be the Israeli

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calculation, that this is perfectly

legitimate to just kill these people on

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the off chance that you might get a couple

of a mass fighters, um, in amongst them.

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It's just incredible.

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I mean, these people just blow

up hospitals Now, do you, listen,

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you ever seen a hospital blowing

up just for the fun of it?

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Here's one, just, just a

hospital standing there.

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The kids, a hospital.

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Kaboom.

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Gone.

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Was there once now gone.

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It's, it's just incredible that these

people can just, so who's filming it?

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So, uh, it might have actually, I

think that was the Israelis filming it.

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'cause I was gonna say it

sounded kind of jubilant.

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Yes.

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Because a lot of the stuff that's coming

out of Gaza is of course film by Israelis.

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Mm-hmm.

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Because they don't recognize the moral

depravity of what they've reduced to Joe.

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There's a lot of 'em who were, um,

on their, the soldiers who were

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posting on their private social

media, um, pages, their actions

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in Gaza and a number of countries.

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I think Brazil in particular started

arresting Israeli soldiers who were

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on holidays in other countries.

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Mm-hmm.

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Using social media posts.

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And there's an organization whose

name escapes me, but they're basically

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trawling through the private social

media or the public social media pages

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of Israeli soldiers where they, where

they perform atrocities and, and start

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documenting who they are and what

they've done so that when these people go

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overseas on holidays, they get arrested.

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And uh, so that's sort of a phenomenon

that's happening where Sure.

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Film the blowing up of hospital

'cause that's a good thing

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and film, other actions.

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Um, they've lost all

perspective of what's normal.

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So, um, so what we've got is

Defense Minister Kaz, um, uh.

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He has, uh, let me just,

you're still there, Joe?

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Okay.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's a funny noise.

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Defense Minister, um, Katz.

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This is a statement that

the Israeli defense minister

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put out residents of Gaza.

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This is your final warning.

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The first rah destroyed Gaza and the

second rah will bring upon it total ruin.

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The Israeli Air Force's attack against a

mass terrorist was only the first step.

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What follows will be much far harsher

and you will bear the full cost.

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Evacuation of the population from

combat zones will soon resume.

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If all Israeli hostages are not

released and Hamas is not kicked

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out of Gaza, Israel will act with

force you have not known before.

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Take the advice of the US president,

return the hostages and kick out

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a mass, and new options will open

up for you, including relocation

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to other parts of the world.

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For those who choose, the alternative

is destruction and total devastation.

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So, um, although some of 'em will

be allowed to stay to work in the

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Trump Plaza, well as Anor Beran

says, he's basically saying either

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comply with our unattainable

demands, getting rid of her mass.

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Joe: Mm-hmm.

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Or, we'll

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Trevor: ethnically cleanse you or

don't and face complete annihilation.

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I mean, what is the average

Joe Blow citizen in Gaza?

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What capacity do they have to

to force her master to surrender

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and to hand over hostages?

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Doesn't matter like this.

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This Barbarian is telling the residents

of Gaza, they're responsible as if

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they have any capacity to force the

things that he wants in any event,

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Joe: but also he's setting himself up

for, um, a must to be even more popular

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Trevor: indeed if everything,

if with everything they've done.

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So, uh, so yeah, food kitchens

have been forced to shut down.

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Um, it's gonna be a starvation and

disease type phase that's gonna happen.

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Joe and, um,

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and Joe, what do we get in the

mainstream papers about this?

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Fuck all, like this is going on and

barely a peep out of any of 'em.

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Murdoch a little bit in guardian,

maybe sometimes nothing on the A, b, C.

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Just almost total silence on these things.

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It's just, it's just appalling.

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The main news items, uh, are whether

people are, uh, using antisemitic,

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uh, tones in their writing.

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If they criticize what

Israel's done mm-hmm.

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More than the fact that

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hundreds of people are being

blown up overnight, hospitals

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just bombed, destroyed.

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The big ticket item is, are you

using the correct speech when

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you're describing these things?

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Yeah.

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For fuck's sake.

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Joe: And if you are criticizing Zionism,

that's just a code word for Jews.

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Trevor: Yes.

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More, we'll get onto that Joe A.

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Little bit later, more and more

where they're openly saying, uh,

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Zionism is code word for Jews.

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So you're not allowed to, the

distinction doesn't matter.

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That's something our universities

have adopted, unfortunately.

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Um, Chris Hedges, um, lived and

worked in Middle East for years.

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Spent a lot of time in Gaza.

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Uh, really, really good reporter.

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He wrote, it's the final blood soaked

push to drive the Palestinians from Gaza.

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No food, no medicine, no shelter,

no clean water, no electricity.

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Israel is swiftly turning Gaza into

a Dante cauldron of human misery.

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Dante esque Dantes.

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Thank you.

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Uh, where Palestinians are being killed

in their hundreds and soon again in their

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thousands and tens of thousands where

they'll be forced out never to return.

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And, um,

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what comes next?

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Uh, they've ordered the evacuation

of Northern, Northern Gaza.

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What comes next is mass starvation.

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And, um, the message is unequivocal.

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Gaza will be uninhabitable, leave or die.

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And, um, ah, he writes a bit more there,

but it's just, it confirms the sort of.

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Phases and the breach of the

ceasefire that we've just

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discussed with other commentators.

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So just a sort of another,

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Joe: wasn't there something as well

about one of the, a couple of the

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bodies that handed back that they

were saying DNA testing confirmed?

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It wasn't the people it was claimed to be.

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Trevor: I think there

was something like that.

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You know, I think there was some either

honest mistake or some evil mistake.

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Mm-hmm.

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But at this point, yeah.

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Mistakes over body parts or

compared to everything else.

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Um, this is no, but that was their excuse.

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Yes.

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Israel's in uproar because of

the identification of body parts.

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Meanwhile, they're just

creating more body parts.

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I mean, you see awful images, dear

listener of children collecting

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the RAs limbs and just handfuls

of flesh of their dead parents.

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In buckets so they can give

them some sort of burial.

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This is the sort of thing

that children are doing.

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It's just completely unhinged.

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You know, what do our leaders say?

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What do our leaders say?

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Here's what Peter Dutton's

got to say about stuff.

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Dutton: A Dutton Coalition government

will again put the national interest

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front and center of our foreign policy.

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If I become Prime Minister, one of

my first orders of business will be

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to call Prime Minister Netanyahu to

build on the one-on-one meeting I

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had with him during my recent visit,

and to help rebuild the relationship.

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Labor has trashed.

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Israel will be able to count.

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Trevor: Are we, are we in some sort

of dystopian alternate reality with

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a monster like Netanyahu in our.

400

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I want to be alternative.

401

:

No, no.

402

:

Come on.

403

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Joe: Du Dutton is not a

monster, his wife says.

404

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So

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Trevor: with all this in Dutton's going,

this labor government has trashed our

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reputation with the wonderful state of

Israel, and in particular Netanyahu.

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My first order of business will

be to restore that relationship.

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This is where the whole,

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the whole, if you had any doubts

that we're being completely misled by

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mainstream media about what's going on

in the world about economics or the role

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of the USA or other things, you only have

to look at this genocide and the, the,

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the omission of reporting and then the

misrepresentation of what's happening.

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Then the gaslighting by people like

Dutton over what's happening to realize,

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holy shit, if they can do that over

a genocide, what else are they doing

415

:

about simple things like capitalism?

416

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Uh, I Joe,

417

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Joe: um, well we had this discussion

about, um, Luigi Manni, didn't we?

418

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Which, who was that guy?

419

:

Who was that one?

420

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The guy who killed the, um, head of

the, um, health insurance in America?

421

:

Trevor: Yes.

422

:

Joe: Where, um, people were saying, how

dare you make these mean, mean jokes

423

:

about this poor, hardworking father

who was gunned down in the street.

424

:

Mm-hmm.

425

:

You know, what had he

ever done to deserve this?

426

:

Mm-hmm.

427

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And totally ignoring the fact

that his policies had probably

428

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killed thousands of people.

429

:

Trevor: Yeah.

430

:

Yeah, there's just so much context,

um, missing from these conversations.

431

:

So, um, to sum it up, Caitlyn Johnston,

this is a broken civilization,

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a warped and twisted dystopia.

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The waking night, there we are witnessing

in Gaza is the result of everything

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that we have become as a society.

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Those dead and mutilated children

on your screen are the fruit on

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the tree of the western world.

437

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Now the Gaza Holocaust has been

reignited and the people who rule over

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us are actively supporting this while

working to imprison fire, silence,

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and deport anyone who opposes it.

440

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That's pretty much what's happening.

441

:

So Well that's happening, Joe.

442

:

Mm-hmm.

443

:

Uh, you know, on the Guardian website

it says, uh, it's got a section

444

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where you can look at what's the most

viewed news items that people are.

445

:

Clicking on on the Guardian news site?

446

:

Joe: Yeah.

447

:

Trevor: And then the ones that they

most deeply read, like the ones that

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they spend the most time reading.

449

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Joe: Mm-hmm.

450

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Trevor: Number one,

formula one, PTRI wins.

451

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Chinese gp number two, Pete DA Dutton's.

452

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Taxpayer funded flight to a

long lunch on Noosa River.

453

:

Number three, I was sexualized,

patronized, and ridiculed how

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Charlotte Church survived the

tabloids to become an earth mother.

455

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Four.

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Sydney Socialite.

457

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Vanessa Jacobs refused to

bail for allegedly insulting

458

:

police officer after car crash.

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:

Five.

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As trust in the US collapses,

leaders in Australia around the

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:

world are frantically recalibrating.

462

:

Well, there's a good one that that's

something people should be clicking on.

463

:

Six.

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Trump administration is

descending into authoritarianism.

465

:

Good.

466

:

Seven.

467

:

My adult daughter wants to turn

herself back into a teenager.

468

:

Eight.

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Trump revoked security clearances for

Biden Harris and other political enemies.

470

:

Number nine.

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:

Pia three, winning the Chinese GP again.

472

:

And number 10, Jin Charmers

about coalition at NDIS.

473

:

Joe, if that wasn't worrying enough, when

it talks about the most deeply read items

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:

on the Guardian news site, number one.

475

:

Mm-hmm.

476

:

Number one, this is how we do it.

477

:

She reminds me that

sex is fun, not a test.

478

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I'm going to fail.

479

:

It's important.

480

:

Yeah.

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:

Number two, United Pilot attacked

passenger for taking too long in

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the bathroom lawsuit, all ledgers.

483

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Number three, the Sex

Pistols Rock, London.

484

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Um, number five, Gwyneth Paltrow intimacy

coordinators make sex scenes safe.

485

:

All, not just a-listers.

486

:

It goes on people.

487

:

People are clicking on trivial things.

488

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And the stuff they're really

reading intently have invariably

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something to do with sex, Joe.

490

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That's what, uh, yeah, that's, that's what

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Joe: gets eyeballs.

492

:

Well, maybe the newspapers

are their escapism from the

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horror horrors of their life.

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:

Yeah.

495

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Trevor: This podcast is supposed to be

about news and politics, sex and religion.

496

:

Yeah.

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Should be doing more sex

to get more eyeballs.

498

:

Joe: Yeah, absolutely.

499

:

Trevor: There's eight people watching.

500

:

Um, and, um, let me see.

501

:

Um, Don, he made it through the marathon.

502

:

John finished watching the marathon and

he says the pod's better when Trevor

503

:

gets some well-informed pushback.

504

:

That's you o

505

:

Andrew's listening in the car.

506

:

Um, Timmy.

507

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Um, unpopular thought Experiment with

the civilian deaths be reduced if we swap

508

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the military power of the belligerence.

509

:

Um.

510

:

Would the civilian deaths be reduced?

511

:

Uh, so if Hamas was

strong and Israel wasn't?

512

:

Yes.

513

:

Um, you know what?

514

:

I reckon at this point in time,

after everything that's happened,

515

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I think Hamas would kill as many

people as they could to reclaim the

516

:

land that they're trying to reclaim.

517

:

So yes, I think that would be, what

would happen is there'd be probably

518

:

an equal level of destruction.

519

:

Dunno.

520

:

Um, Don says Dunton.

521

:

It's not a monster.

522

:

He just looks like one.

523

:

Um, and um, there we go.

524

:

Okay.

525

:

So that was that sort of stuff.

526

:

Ah, Aussie news, Joe.

527

:

Hmm.

528

:

Antisemitism.

529

:

Uh, no.

530

:

Sorry Auntie.

531

:

Lemme get back to the Aussie news.

532

:

Well, I put this on the list and

it seems trivial, doesn't it?

533

:

Opposition leader Peter Dutton

reveals he's never drunk coffee

534

:

in his life, Joe, that's enough

to make him a monster in my view.

535

:

Are you a coffee drinker?

536

:

No.

537

:

I had a feeling you wouldn't

be, you can't trust.

538

:

Can you, can you trust somebody

who doesn't drink coffee?

539

:

Uh, probably not.

540

:

Yeah,

541

:

I have.

542

:

There's an article advice.

543

:

There's an article in Crike

about Richard Miles, uh,

544

:

and what a hawkish character he is and how

he's totally sucked into American stuff.

545

:

He's our defense minister.

546

:

Joe: Mm-hmm.

547

:

Trevor: Um, they've obviously

got hold of some people with some

548

:

inside knowledge of the working

of Richard Miles in parliament.

549

:

Um, his desk in his ministerial office.

550

:

Um.

551

:

Opposite is a small bookshelf,

which a government sourced

552

:

labels as his shrine to America.

553

:

There are US flags, photos of miles,

stateside shaking hands with government

554

:

officials, a Statue of Liberty

figurine, assorted American memorabilia,

555

:

US history books, lots of them.

556

:

It's a tangible symbol of his

regard, bordering on obsession for

557

:

all things American and Uncle Sam.

558

:

And unfortunately Joe, he's

in charge of our defense.

559

:

And if anybody's gonna cancel orcas, it

would have to be him, presumably have

560

:

Joe: the Team America themed tune playing.

561

:

Trevor: I think

562

:

Joe: it,

563

:

Trevor: if he doesn't,

he would want it to be.

564

:

Joe: Have you ever seen

565

:

Trevor: it?

566

:

No.

567

:

Joe: It's, it's the South Park guys.

568

:

Oh, okay.

569

:

So maybe you wouldn't a movie.

570

:

Okay.

571

:

It's a spoof.

572

:

It's hilarious.

573

:

Yeah, totally without taste.

574

:

Okay.

575

:

Trevor: Uh, going on.

576

:

A less well known aspect about

males is he can be gullible, a

577

:

minister with a science degree.

578

:

He's normally forensic in his approach

to his job, reading every departmental

579

:

brief and interrogating information put

to him as defense officials know too well.

580

:

But if he likes someone,

his judgment can go missing.

581

:

If he falls under the charm of

someone's wealth, fame, or power,

582

:

he won't be pulled, talked down.

583

:

A government source says, um,

and it goes on to give different

584

:

examples and stuff like that.

585

:

So, um, but yeah, totally.

586

:

Um, besotted with America, unlikely

to pull a pin on an orca deal,

587

:

Joe, if we're to get rid of orcas.

588

:

I think somehow we have

to get miles out of his.

589

:

Ministerial position,

590

:

Joe: he'll be crying otherwise.

591

:

Trevor: And unfortunately, he's the head

of the right wing faction that Albanese

592

:

has done a deal with Albanese in the left.

593

:

And, um, so for factional reasons,

seems incredibly unlikely.

594

:

So

595

:

I dunno how we could it, it's

so obvious that now's the time.

596

:

But anyway, remember the

socialist equality party that

597

:

we've had on a couple of times?

598

:

Um, so unfortunately for them, the

electoral commission has ruled, um,

599

:

that they, their party name won't appear

on the ballot in the upcoming federal

600

:

election, Joe, when we, when we were

in the secular party, we needed 500

601

:

Joe: mm-hmm.

602

:

Trevor: Members.

603

:

That's gone to 1500, hasn't it?

604

:

It's gone to 1500 and I remember

a great deal of time was taken, I.

605

:

By Anne Reed and people like that.

606

:

Um, Craig, I think ringing every

one of the 500 names that were

607

:

on that form saying, if you get a

call from the electoral commission,

608

:

are you prepared to say you're a

member of the Yes Secular party?

609

:

Just confirming you think you're a

member and say, you will say yes.

610

:

And, um, so that was done to

make sure that when the Electoral

611

:

Commission rang, um, they, you also

can't be a member of two parties,

612

:

Joe: if I remember right.

613

:

Yeah.

614

:

Something

615

:

Trevor: like that.

616

:

So anyway, apparently the electoral

commission, uh, started ringing

617

:

around to check that members of the,

um, socialist Equality party, and

618

:

I think they got about three no's.

619

:

Mm-hmm.

620

:

And, um, that was enough for

the commission to say, well, um.

621

:

You statistically, it's unlikely

you actually have:

622

:

therefore we're not gonna register you.

623

:

So they've appealed and blah, blah blah.

624

:

Might get 'em on at some stage 'cause

they're actually writing some interesting

625

:

articles on their website about all

sorts of topics, including Gaza.

626

:

But um, the boys at the uh, socialist

Equality Party won't be standing under

627

:

that name in the coming election.

628

:

They'll have to do it in their own names.

629

:

So.

630

:

Joe: Yeah.

631

:

Well I didn't think they particularly

cared 'cause they were waiting

632

:

for a workers' revolution.

633

:

Yeah, well I think they

634

:

Trevor: put their name

there at the forefront.

635

:

Yep.

636

:

So, um, anyway, that was the

story with them for a long time.

637

:

Listeners of the program,

you will remember them.

638

:

Joe, I'm a little bit worried about

sharing the screen of the essential

639

:

report, so I'm just gonna run through

a little bit of it just in front of me.

640

:

But, um, essential report

polled some Australians.

641

:

Enough Australians that you're

within two or 3% statistically of

642

:

what the actual number should be.

643

:

Climate change acceptance.

644

:

Do you believe there's a fairly

conclusive evidence that climate change

645

:

is happening and caused by human activity?

646

:

Or do you believe the evidence is

still not in, and we may be witnessing

647

:

a normal fluctuation in the Earth's

climate that happens from time to time.

648

:

So is it, um, caused by human

activity or is it just normal

649

:

fluctuation that's always occurred.

650

:

Joe: It's a bit binary though, isn't it?

651

:

Trevor: Uh, it, well, there was

a don't know option for people.

652

:

Yeah, I guess Joe, but, um, uh, lemme see.

653

:

Overall, um, 54% say caused by human

activity, 35% say no Normal fluctuation.

654

:

11% Dunno.

655

:

Um, if we are looking at gender, um,

more men don't believe, um, well, um,

656

:

correct men, 49% say human activity.

657

:

41% say just normal fluctuations.

658

:

Women, 58% say it's, um,

happening by human activity.

659

:

Only 29 say it's normal, uh,

fluctuations in the earth and

660

:

uh, by age, Joe, guess what?

661

:

Young people, 61% say it's

happening caused by humans.

662

:

55 plus age group, 48%.

663

:

Um, say that by political party.

664

:

And by yes.

665

:

Voting intention, guess what?

666

:

Um, the greens, 75% say it's

caused by human activity.

667

:

Joe: Can, you're worrying that

it's less than a hundred percent

668

:

for the greens, isn't it?

669

:

Trevor: 17% of green supporters say that

it's just normal, uh, fluctuation in the

670

:

Earth's climate, which is interesting.

671

:

Um, labor, 69%, I think it's caused by

human activity in the coalition and in

672

:

the independence are the Pauline Hansen.

673

:

Mm-hmm.

674

:

Live Palmer, blah, blah, blah.

675

:

They're both on 41%.

676

:

So, um, so yeah.

677

:

Significant proportion of the

population refuses the science.

678

:

Um, and senses that one for anyone who's

679

:

Joe: interested.

680

:

Mm-hmm.

681

:

Um, UQ have an online course

called Climate, climate Change

682

:

Denial 1 0 1, I think it is.

683

:

Mm-hmm.

684

:

Um, it's fascinating.

685

:

It talks about how we know the

climate's changing, how we know

686

:

it's caused by humans and the

psychology behind people denying it.

687

:

Trevor: Yeah, yeah,

688

:

yeah.

689

:

So, um, yeah, I think there was one here.

690

:

Um, support for removing, working

from home, um, was that one, no

691

:

support for sending troops to Ukraine.

692

:

Joe: Mm-hmm.

693

:

Trevor: Overall as peacekeepers

or is, to what extent do you

694

:

support or oppose Australia sending

troops to Ukraine to support them

695

:

in their fight against Russia?

696

:

Oh, okay.

697

:

So, so not just as a peacekeeper No,

but to Ukraine to fight the Russians.

698

:

Joe: Mm-hmm.

699

:

Trevor: Overall, 12% strongly

support and 21% somewhat support.

700

:

It's 33% think it's.

701

:

A goodish idea with only 27%, sort

of neither support nor oppose, uh,

702

:

gender wise, it's very even okay?

703

:

Surprisingly, very, even gender wise,

age wise, it's very, even as well,

704

:

relatively surprisingly, like in the 18

to 34 year olds, 15% strongly support.

705

:

But in the 55 plus, only

11% strongly support.

706

:

So the strongest age group support is the

young 18 to 34 year olds give 'em a rifle

707

:

and send them Jesus voting intention.

708

:

It's pretty even again,

surprisingly, labor 12%.

709

:

Coalition 14% greens,

14% independent, 10%.

710

:

That's the strongly support the idea.

711

:

For the somewhat support labor,

26% coalition, 20% greens, 27%.

712

:

It's a goddamn young ones.

713

:

And the greens who are more in favor of

this, Joe, quite a surprising result.

714

:

Joe: Well, the right wing press have

been very heavy on, they're sucking up

715

:

to Putin, so it doesn't surprise me.

716

:

Trevor: Yeah, I guess so.

717

:

That the war in Ukraine

is a bad one, so Yeah.

718

:

Joe: Yeah.

719

:

I mean, Tucker Carlson, um, a whole bunch

of the leading figures of the us right?

720

:

Trevor: Mm-hmm.

721

:

Yes.

722

:

Been ridiculing the whole exercise.

723

:

Joe: Well have been crawling up.

724

:

Uh, Putin's ass.

725

:

Um, Tucker Carlson went off and did

his fawning interview, didn't he?

726

:

Ah, that was a while back.

727

:

Yes.

728

:

Yeah.

729

:

Trevor: Yep.

730

:

Um.

731

:

Uh, just quickly, um, uh,

Julia's in the chat room.

732

:

Good on you, Julia.

733

:

Don's there.

734

:

Um, okay.

735

:

Back to my notes.

736

:

So Jackie Lambe has said we

should threaten to close pine gap.

737

:

Good on you, Jackie.

738

:

This is in response to, um, the US

failing to be our friend anymore

739

:

and leaving, um, increased tariffs

on our aluminum and other stuff.

740

:

Joe: Mm-hmm.

741

:

Trevor: She says, um, pine gap, they

need it like, no tomorrow, just tell 'em

742

:

we're gonna switch it off in seven days.

743

:

Obviously there's no loyalty

and mateship left here.

744

:

He's made that quite clear.

745

:

Don't play by their rules.

746

:

They're certainly not playing by ours.

747

:

They're showing that friendship

doesn't matter anymore.

748

:

Um, so she was doing this on some morning

program and Carl Stefanovich gasped.

749

:

Who's gonna come to rescue us?

750

:

Literally, let's screw

his words, God, psych.

751

:

You know, do you really think

that, um, America's gonna come an

752

:

Joe: isolation, an isolationist?

753

:

America certainly isn't.

754

:

Trevor: No.

755

:

Where was I?

756

:

Um, uh, the greens, they want out.

757

:

Um, they say we should be making drones

and missiles, um, and getting out of

758

:

orcus, um, and, um, good on your greens.

759

:

Um, although Caitlin Johnston warns us,

we're at the most dangerous point in

760

:

human, in humanity's abusive relationship

with the US unipolar domination.

761

:

For the same reason, the most dangerous

point in a battered wife's life is

762

:

right when she's trying to escape.

763

:

Might be something in that.

764

:

Uh, Joe, just quickly back to definitions

765

:

and manufactured antisemitism.

766

:

So Australian universities have adopted

the International Holocaust Remembrance,

767

:

alliances definition of antisemitism,

but they probably did it based on

768

:

misleading data, specifically a survey

that exaggerated the prevalence of

769

:

antisemitism among Jewish students.

770

:

So we've already had our federal

government and New South Wales government

771

:

passing laws on the heels of so-called

anti-Semitic incidents of the caravan

772

:

and graffiti, which turned out to

be nothing to do with anti-Semitism.

773

:

Now we've got universities changing

the definition of antisemitism.

774

:

Based on a survey, which

would seem to be misleading.

775

:

So,

776

:

Joe: but it, it said that Jewish

students were anti-Semitic.

777

:

Yeah.

778

:

Trevor: Uh, what did,

779

:

Joe: well the, the, the

text you just read out

780

:

Trevor: mm-hmm.

781

:

Joe: Was based on Jewish students being

anti-Semitic is what it sounded like.

782

:

Trevor: Uh, specifically a survey

that exaggerated the prevalence of

783

:

antisemitism among Jewish students.

784

:

I think that meant, um,

785

:

Joe: polling Jewish students

for their viewpoints.

786

:

Right.

787

:

Trevor: Antisemitism, um,

suffered by Jewish Jews.

788

:

Yeah.

789

:

Okay.

790

:

That Joe was an AI summary, the article.

791

:

Joe: Right.

792

:

Trevor: Which is why it's wording

wasn't as good as it could have been.

793

:

So, yeah.

794

:

They, so, um, uh, yeah.

795

:

Universities Australia, at

least a statement on racism,

796

:

announced that it's 39 members.

797

:

Including all 38 public universities

in the country would adopt a

798

:

clear definition of antisemitism.

799

:

We'll get onto that in a second.

800

:

Um, um, but um, it's

all based on a survey.

801

:

Um,

802

:

there was a bill, actually, sorry,

liberal Senator sent Sarah Hansen

803

:

tabled a bill calling for a commission

of inquiry into the matter, um, about

804

:

antisemitism on Australian campuses.

805

:

And according to that, bill campus

antisemitism had reached unprecedented

806

:

levels and the bill presented the

alarming information that 64% of

807

:

Jewish University students had

experienced antisemitism on campus.

808

:

So that's what the bill was saying.

809

:

And Joe, that seems a

high figure, doesn't it?

810

:

64% of Jewish university students had

experienced antisemitism on campus, and

811

:

that's drawn from a single source, a

survey Joe commissioned by the Zionist

812

:

Federation of Australia, an organization

who stated Purpose is advocating

813

:

for the state of Israel on behalf of

the Jewish community in Australia.

814

:

The survey was conducted between 14th

rd of April,:

815

:

called the Jewish University Experience

Survey and potential respondents for

816

:

the survey were solicited in two ways.

817

:

Firstly, uh, the SRC Social Research

Center sent invitations to participate in

818

:

the survey to contacts on the Australian

Union of Jewish Students database.

819

:

So.

820

:

Um, so like its affiliate

organization, the s the ZFA, the, the

821

:

Australian Union of Jewish students

subscribes to Zionist ideals mm-hmm.

822

:

And seeks to pro to promote a

positive image of Israel on campus.

823

:

So it's a certain type of Jewish

student that would join the

824

:

Australian Union of Jewish students.

825

:

For starters, that's who the

invitations were sent to.

826

:

And, um, uh, 3,330 invitations

were sent out, presumably to all

827

:

of the Jewish students yielding 563

surveys, a fairly poor response rate

828

:

of 17% of the 563 respondents 360

reported experience antisemitism.

829

:

So.

830

:

They sent it out to 3,330, only 17%

responded, and it's of that 17% that,

831

:

uh, they can get the figure that 64%

say they experienced antisemitism.

832

:

So

833

:

Joe: I'm sure if you polled,

uh, evangelicals on campus Yes.

834

:

As to whether they'd suffered prejudice

because their beliefs they'd say yes to.

835

:

Trevor: Yeah.

836

:

And they just ignore the people

who don't even respond to

837

:

the, to the, to the survey.

838

:

So, um, so self-selected individuals.

839

:

Um, so yeah, essentially, um, only

7% of the potential cohort reported

840

:

being subjected to antisemitism.

841

:

So, Joe, just an example of how you

have lies, dem lies and statistics.

842

:

And that's been used in a

bill and presumably by these

843

:

universities as a reason to change

the definition of antisemitism.

844

:

And Joe, they're adopting.

845

:

They're adopting a definition,

and here it is here, which on the

846

:

face of it doesn't sound too bad.

847

:

Antisemitism is a certain

perception of Jews, which may be

848

:

expressed as hatred towards Jews.

849

:

Rhetorical and physical manifestations

of antisemitism are directed towards

850

:

Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and or

their property toward Jewish community

851

:

institutions and religious facilities.

852

:

But the IHRA, which is the International

Holocaust Remembrance Alliance,

853

:

in addition to that definition,

gives examples of antisemitism and.

854

:

The examples include, um,

855

:

drawing comparisons of contemporary

Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

856

:

Joe: Yeah.

857

:

I wouldn't say they're exactly

analogous, but certainly they're,

858

:

they're heading in that direction

859

:

Trevor: and it's Israeli policy.

860

:

Like if you absolutely, if you

want to comment on the policy of

861

:

the Israeli government, well, the

state, it's quite separate to Yeah.

862

:

To yes.

863

:

But of course Joe Dreyfus and others

are trying to say, oh, if you're

864

:

just referring designers, you really

code for, for, for antisemitism.

865

:

The other examples I give, um, uh,

denying the Jewish people their right

866

:

to self-determination by claiming

that the existence of the state

867

:

of Israel is a racist endeavor.

868

:

Well,

869

:

what the state of Israel is doing, um,

appears to be a racist endeavor, it seems.

870

:

Uh, yeah, yeah.

871

:

But

872

:

Joe: hang on.

873

:

The existence of the state of

Israel is a racist endeavor or the

874

:

actions of the state of Israel.

875

:

Well, because I, I would agree

that if you claim that the state

876

:

of Israel, the, the existence of

the state is a racist endeavor,

877

:

that that's possibly anti-Semitic,

878

:

Trevor: but it is a criticism of

the state of Israel still, Joey?

879

:

Joe: Well, yeah.

880

:

Yeah.

881

:

Trevor: What else did it say?

882

:

As an example here?

883

:

Um, oh, there's a few others there.

884

:

Anyway, that's the sort of broad

definition that the universities

885

:

have adopted, and in it,

they've said as part of their

886

:

explanation that the universities.

887

:

Substituting the word Zionist for Jew

does not eliminate the possibility

888

:

of speech being antisemitic.

889

:

Joe: Yeah.

890

:

I mean, if you're just doing a, like

for like, if you're going Mm, uh,

891

:

all those Zionists deserve to die

892

:

Trevor: mm-hmm.

893

:

Joe: Then yeah, I would say

that's probably as as hateful.

894

:

Mm.

895

:

Whereas if you are going the state of

Israel by its actions are disgusting.

896

:

Trevor: Mm.

897

:

Joe: Then I don't see a problem with that.

898

:

Trevor: Mm.

899

:

Good point, Joe.

900

:

Hmm.

901

:

Yeah.

902

:

Um, so Francisca Albanese

was talking about this.

903

:

She's the UN Rapporteur who's been

dealing a lot with the Gaza issue.

904

:

So she wasn't talking about it in

relation to Australian universities.

905

:

She was talking about it in

relation to this international

906

:

Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.

907

:

Mm-hmm.

908

:

Joe: And

909

:

Trevor: their definition.

910

:

And she was a.

911

:

Being interviewed on some

program somewhere and, um.

912

:

This is what she had to say

913

:

Clip: on the International

Court of Justice.

914

:

They're currently hearing a case brought

by South Africa that accuses Israel of

915

:

committing genocide, which you mentioned

earlier, and Ireland has joined that case.

916

:

Yes.

917

:

Um, according to Israel

has denied genocide.

918

:

And according to the, uh,

American Jewish Committee, Israel

919

:

is not committing genocide.

920

:

Their argument is that the destruction

of any, that's the destruction of any

921

:

national racial ethic or religious group

that Israel says it's, it's seeking the

922

:

destruction of Hamas, a terror group

that states its intent to destroy the

923

:

state of Israel in its founding charter.

924

:

And that Israel's campaign in

Gaza is an act of self-defense.

925

:

I simply put you that

as, as a counterpoint.

926

:

Francesca: Yeah.

927

:

Gavin.

928

:

But why do you quote the

American Jewish, uh, association?

929

:

Why don't you, why don't you

quote the Israeli scholars,

930

:

uh, expert on genocide like.

931

:

Omar ov, uh, ammo, Goldberg li Rai,

uh, Sigal, and the list is long.

932

:

Why do you quote the American

Jewish, uh, committee?

933

:

Excuse me.

934

:

I mean, why don't you quote, if you

really have to bring some, uh, like,

935

:

uh, respectable arguments, quote some,

someone who has not vested interests.

936

:

So this is the point because I'm

really worried about what's happening

937

:

in Ireland because while all this

is happening, Ireland is under

938

:

pressure through the, the mafia style.

939

:

Techniques that pro-Israel groups have

deployed against everyone to adopted

940

:

IHRA definition of antisemitism, which

will prevent discussions like this.

941

:

I come from Berlin where

I've been threatened.

942

:

A un special rapport have been threatened

with arrest because of talking about

943

:

the, the situation in Gaza and the moment

Ireland will adopt as the government

944

:

has announced the IHRA definition of

antisemitism, which eventually it's

945

:

very con contested and will conflate

criticism of the state of Israel for

946

:

what it does to the Palestinians and

to others because Israelis are not

947

:

spare from this, uh, with antisemitism.

948

:

What I'm saying today will

be considered antisemitic.

949

:

So I really warn the Irish

people to be aware of it.

950

:

And why are you listening to

the American Jewish Committee?

951

:

Whatever it is, listen to the expert.

952

:

Listen to the, to the scholars,

the brilliant scholars.

953

:

Trevor: I like Francisca.

954

:

Fair enough.

955

:

Unfortunate last name of Albanese.

956

:

Joe: Well, but, uh, yeah.

957

:

I'm guessing there's quite a

few Italians with that neighbor.

958

:

Trevor: Yeah, probably.

959

:

Uh, what else have we got here?

960

:

So, um, so yeah, so that was that, um, a

little bit of Trump Before we finish, Joe,

961

:

Joe: do we have to?

962

:

Yes.

963

:

Trevor: Um, you know, the

whole tariff thing is Joe.

964

:

Mm.

965

:

One of the reasons I think why he

concentrates on this and whatever

966

:

is it's just something he can do

without passing laws in Congress.

967

:

Like it's just one of the powers that,

968

:

Joe: well, I also think it's

something simple that he can grasp.

969

:

Trevor: Yes.

970

:

And it doesn't require a lot of hard

work and teamwork and negotiating

971

:

and getting things passed through.

972

:

He can just sign a piece

of paper and it's done.

973

:

Joe: Mm-hmm.

974

:

Trevor: And, um, so that's

one of the reasons why he,

975

:

he likes this whole sort of.

976

:

Tar war that he's struck up because

he can control it himself without

977

:

having to negotiate with Congress.

978

:

So

979

:

Joe: he doesn't

980

:

Trevor: negotiate with them

981

:

Joe: anyway.

982

:

Yes.

983

:

He ignores them and,

uh, ignores the cause.

984

:

Trevor: Yes, that's it.

985

:

And um, he had an interesting comment

to make about, um, about the planes that

986

:

they're selling, um, to other countries.

987

:

I'll just play a little bit about

what he had to say about the quality

988

:

of, of, of fighter jets that the

US is going to sell to its allies.

989

:

Mm-hmm.

990

:

Its friends Joe.

991

:

Trump: Buy them also and will,

certain allies will be selling

992

:

them perhaps toned down versions.

993

:

We like to tone 'em down about

10%, which probably makes sense.

994

:

'cause someday maybe

they're not our allies.

995

:

Right.

996

:

But

997

:

Trevor: the allies, the

allies get a toned down yet.

998

:

At 10%.

999

:

It's what we like to do.

:

00:54:55,845 --> 00:54:59,175

'cause after all, they

may not be our allies.

:

00:54:59,355 --> 00:54:59,745

Yeah.

:

00:55:00,195 --> 00:55:00,345

So,

:

00:55:00,855 --> 00:55:09,045

Joe: um, I, I notice a lot of European

countries are, uh, one of the defense

:

00:55:09,045 --> 00:55:13,125

ministers apologized to his parliament

for having bought F 30 fives.

:

00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:13,580

Mm-hmm.

:

00:55:13,755 --> 00:55:19,485

And a couple of others are rethinking

their per planned purchases of F 30 fives.

:

00:55:19,845 --> 00:55:20,475

Right.

:

00:55:20,805 --> 00:55:23,985

Looking at the Swedish grip.

:

00:55:24,795 --> 00:55:25,035

Yep.

:

00:55:25,335 --> 00:55:27,975

And I can't remember

probably the French fighter

:

00:55:28,395 --> 00:55:28,665

Trevor: mm-hmm.

:

00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:29,210

Mm-hmm.

:

00:55:29,955 --> 00:55:32,595

Joe: Saying that they're

seriously thinking.

:

00:55:33,015 --> 00:55:35,775

Because even if they, the, the

problem with the F 30 fives is

:

00:55:35,775 --> 00:55:40,515

there's such advanced planes that

they need to be maintained by the us

:

00:55:40,635 --> 00:55:41,235

Trevor: Right?

:

00:55:41,235 --> 00:55:41,595

Yep.

:

00:55:42,420 --> 00:55:42,570

Joe: Yeah.

:

00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:47,850

Uh, so there is no possibility

of being completely independent.

:

00:55:48,570 --> 00:55:52,260

Trevor: Gee, I reckon one of those

subs might be in the same boat.

:

00:55:52,380 --> 00:55:52,560

Boom.

:

00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:52,920

Boom.

:

00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:53,340

Joe.

:

00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,000

Joe: Well, so sophisticated has been

:

00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:57,660

Trevor: maintained,

:

00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:58,140

Joe: haven't we?

:

00:55:58,140 --> 00:56:02,100

Said that they were going to be

maintained by the us, crude by the US,

:

00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:03,810

and managed by the US or something.

:

00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,380

And we might be allowed to use

them if we, if the Americans didn't

:

00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:08,760

have anything pressing at the time.

:

00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,530

Trevor: Just for photo opportunities.

:

00:56:10,770 --> 00:56:11,190

Joe: Yeah.

:

00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,480

Trevor: When we hand over the check.

:

00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:13,200

Mm.

:

00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:13,890

Basics.

:

00:56:14,190 --> 00:56:14,610

That's it.

:

00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:15,180

Yeah.

:

00:56:15,900 --> 00:56:25,500

Um, so that mean bundling up, um, in

particular Venezuelan, um, uh, immigrants,

:

00:56:25,710 --> 00:56:31,680

um, based on tattoos, it seems, deciding

that they're gang members and sending

:

00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,540

'em off to, I think El Salvador, Joe.

:

00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:38,220

Um, where El Salva, they've

contracted out the Oh yeah.

:

00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:41,940

That dodgy jail, uh,

imprisoning people over there.

:

00:56:42,029 --> 00:56:48,450

And, um, a federal judge apparently

put out an order saying, stop,

:

00:56:48,450 --> 00:56:49,770

you're not allowed to do this.

:

00:56:50,339 --> 00:56:50,430

Mm-hmm.

:

00:56:50,670 --> 00:56:54,750

And, um, and basically Trump

wants to impeach that judge.

:

00:56:55,259 --> 00:56:55,500

Yes.

:

00:56:55,500 --> 00:57:01,109

And, uh, even the Chief Justice saying,

uh, chief Justice John Roberts has

:

00:57:01,109 --> 00:57:05,640

criticized President Trump for calling

for the impeachment of a federal judge.

:

00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:06,180

Mm-hmm.

:

00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:09,690

Um, but yeah, this separation

of powers means nothing.

:

00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:14,160

Basically, the Americans are saying,

well, that judge didn't win X

:

00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,040

percentage, you know, a majority

of votes at the previous election.

:

00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:17,520

So.

:

00:57:18,270 --> 00:57:21,780

It's the people have spoken and

they voted for Trump and whatever

:

00:57:21,780 --> 00:57:23,340

Trump wants, that's what Trump gets.

:

00:57:23,370 --> 00:57:27,630

And uh, it's outrageous that he's in

any way preventing this from happening.

:

00:57:28,020 --> 00:57:29,490

And, uh, he should be impeached.

:

00:57:29,940 --> 00:57:31,170

And if he's not out made

:

00:57:31,170 --> 00:57:32,520

Joe: their constitution, isn't it?

:

00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:32,910

Yeah.

:

00:57:32,940 --> 00:57:35,520

Trevor: If he doesn't watch out, he'll

end up in one of those, um mm-hmm.

:

00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,620

Salvadorian jails with

the, uh, Venezuelans.

:

00:57:40,890 --> 00:57:41,370

So yeah.

:

00:57:42,750 --> 00:57:49,260

A complete breakdown of the separation

of Powers golf Joe, remember how

:

00:57:49,260 --> 00:57:54,330

we laughed at the North Koreans for

supposedly believing that the dear leader

:

00:57:54,900 --> 00:58:00,480

in a single round of golf scored six

holes in one or something like that?

:

00:58:00,930 --> 00:58:04,890

Joe: Yeah, no, I, I, I've

heard similar stories of Trump

:

00:58:06,930 --> 00:58:10,740

Trevor: and actually we, you know,

dear, listen, we found a guy who

:

00:58:10,740 --> 00:58:12,630

actually went to the golf course, I.

:

00:58:13,049 --> 00:58:16,560

And spoke to the green keeper

who explained no, that was a

:

00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,450

misunderstanding of the scoring system.

:

00:58:18,450 --> 00:58:22,319

He didn't even, for a man of his

talents, he didn't score multiple

:

00:58:22,319 --> 00:58:25,890

holes in one that was people under

misunderstanding the score of golf.

:

00:58:26,490 --> 00:58:30,870

Um, but anyway, US President

Donald Trump has claimed to have

:

00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:32,370

won yet another golf tournament.

:

00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,470

This time, the Club championship.

:

00:58:35,610 --> 00:58:42,120

Surprise surprise at one of his own

courses, um, the Trump International in

:

00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:49,230

West Palm Beach, but is the 78-year-old

as good a golfer as he says he is.

:

00:58:49,380 --> 00:58:54,990

Question Mark Trump makes grandiose claims

about his golfing ability all the time.

:

00:58:55,529 --> 00:59:00,000

In August,:

won the Senior Club championship at Trump

:

00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:06,960

National Bedminster with a 67 A score that

only three of the world's best players

:

00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:12,360

beat just weeks prior at the live golf

tournament hosted at the same course.

:

00:59:14,835 --> 00:59:18,765

I think, uh, he and the

North Korean leader,

:

00:59:21,015 --> 00:59:21,855

very similar things.

:

00:59:21,975 --> 00:59:22,425

Yes.

:

00:59:22,425 --> 00:59:26,295

Have various things in common, including

exaggerating the golfing ability.

:

00:59:27,675 --> 00:59:31,935

Uh, well, I think it's common

knowledge that he cheats Yes.

:

00:59:32,595 --> 00:59:33,285

Shamelessly.

:

00:59:33,825 --> 00:59:34,455

Mm-hmm.

:

00:59:34,695 --> 00:59:34,785

Mm-hmm.

:

00:59:35,655 --> 00:59:37,575

And if you pointed out,

you don't get invited back.

:

00:59:37,755 --> 00:59:44,655

Joe: You've heard of, um, a, a traveler

recently who apparently claimed that

:

00:59:46,605 --> 00:59:50,115

she was pulled over entering the us.

:

00:59:50,385 --> 00:59:53,445

They searched, they demanded

the code to her phone.

:

00:59:53,445 --> 00:59:57,495

They searched through her personal

messages, saw that she had some anti-Trump

:

00:59:57,495 --> 01:00:02,205

comments, decided to deport her, but

she couldn't book her own flights out.

:

01:00:02,235 --> 01:00:06,165

She was held incommunicado for

several days before they put her

:

01:00:06,165 --> 01:00:08,055

on a plane outta the country.

:

01:00:08,775 --> 01:00:10,395

And a number of, um.

:

01:00:11,505 --> 01:00:17,415

Uh, countries are now recommending

that their citizens think twice

:

01:00:17,415 --> 01:00:18,525

before traveling to America.

:

01:00:18,915 --> 01:00:19,245

Trevor: Right.

:

01:00:19,395 --> 01:00:21,555

She was just an ordinary citizen.

:

01:00:21,645 --> 01:00:21,795

Yeah.

:

01:00:21,795 --> 01:00:25,035

Just on a fairly ordinary

private social media.

:

01:00:25,035 --> 01:00:25,390

European, yeah.

:

01:00:25,390 --> 01:00:25,634

I think it,

:

01:00:25,665 --> 01:00:29,085

Joe: I think it was, uh, European,

I can't remember which nationality.

:

01:00:29,259 --> 01:00:29,549

Trevor: Yeah.

:

01:00:29,555 --> 01:00:29,924

Yeah.

:

01:00:30,194 --> 01:00:38,505

Joe: Young in her twenties was not

able to talk to, uh, the, uh, embassy.

:

01:00:39,075 --> 01:00:39,404

Mm-hmm.

:

01:00:40,904 --> 01:00:41,415

So

:

01:00:41,505 --> 01:00:41,865

Trevor: yeah.

:

01:00:42,435 --> 01:00:46,125

These are the things you would expect from

authoritarian regimes too well, exactly.

:

01:00:46,575 --> 01:00:46,904

Mm-hmm.

:

01:00:47,565 --> 01:00:47,985

Joe: Have you traveled

:

01:00:48,015 --> 01:00:48,975

Trevor: to the states much?

:

01:00:49,755 --> 01:00:52,005

Um, I've been once in

:

01:00:52,005 --> 01:00:53,714

Joe: the last 30 years.

:

01:00:53,865 --> 01:00:54,285

Okay.

:

01:00:54,765 --> 01:00:57,795

Trevor: When you entered, did you

get a hard time from border security,

:

01:00:57,795 --> 01:01:01,904

like looking you up and down and, and

were they just rude and arrogant and

:

01:01:01,904 --> 01:01:03,585

just pricks about the whole thing?

:

01:01:04,575 --> 01:01:08,115

Joe: Uh, not compared to

my trip to Tunisian, no.

:

01:01:08,415 --> 01:01:09,705

Trevor: Right, okay.

:

01:01:11,340 --> 01:01:14,940

But the times I've been in America,

just, they've just been the

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grumpiest border guards that just,

um, make you feel very unwelcome.

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Joe: Yeah.

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It doesn't

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Trevor: surprise me.

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Joe: Yeah.

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What

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Trevor: happened in Tunisia?

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Joe: Well, um, I got grilled

about whether I was a Jew.

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Trevor: You say no, but

IZ does a Zionist count.

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01:01:38,310 --> 01:01:38,370

No.

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Joe: Really?

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Why do they, in my foreskin

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Trevor: Did, did what?

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What made, what made them suspect?

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Had you, was it on your passport?

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Was it, what was, what was it?

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No, no, no.

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Joe: Um, my, my surname is, ah, I see.

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It's like this possibly.

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01:01:55,230 --> 01:01:55,410

Ah, right.

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01:01:55,620 --> 01:01:56,010

There we go.

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Jewish infant.

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Jewish enough, so, right.

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01:01:59,070 --> 01:01:59,400

Okay.

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01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:00,720

Joe,

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01:02:00,810 --> 01:02:01,650

Trevor: Joe Cohen.

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01:02:02,190 --> 01:02:02,700

Just kidding.

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01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,310

Joe: So, yeah, I, I got quizzed for,

it wasn't a huge amount of time, but

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01:02:08,310 --> 01:02:10,710

it was still con concerning enough.

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01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:11,460

There you go.

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01:02:13,620 --> 01:02:13,965

Trevor: There you go.

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01:02:14,340 --> 01:02:15,930

Alright, we're gonna sign off soon.

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01:02:17,759 --> 01:02:19,410

Don Trump doesn't have a handicap.

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01:02:19,410 --> 01:02:20,490

He is the handicap.

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01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:22,049

John's off to bed.

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01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:23,310

He's not feeling well.

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01:02:23,610 --> 01:02:24,540

Another great pod.

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01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:25,259

Thank you John.

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01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:27,360

Um,

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01:02:30,810 --> 01:02:32,460

yeah, that's most of the comments I think.

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01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:32,640

Mm-hmm.

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01:02:33,509 --> 01:02:37,980

Alright, well, uh, Scott missed out

because his internet wasn't working.

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01:02:37,985 --> 01:02:43,799

Hopefully he'll be with us next

week and, um, ah, might try and

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01:02:43,799 --> 01:02:46,920

do something bit of a deep dive

on something else rather than just

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01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:48,360

rattling through the events of the week.

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01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:48,840

Sit.

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01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,840

We can come up with, uh, something

a little bit, try and over something

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01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,009

a little bit different next week.

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01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,520

So anyway, thanks for

those in the chat room.

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01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:58,200

We'll be back next week.

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01:02:58,634 --> 01:03:01,964

Joe, after blowing his nose, we'll

be ready to sign off as well.

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01:03:01,964 --> 01:03:03,075

We'll talk to you next week.

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01:03:03,105 --> 01:03:03,734

Bye for now.

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01:03:04,185 --> 01:03:05,295

Joe: And it's a good note from him.

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