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Episode 415 - Goodbye Scomo and Good Riddance
Topics:
(00:37) Intro
(03:03) Anti-Vaxers
(09:12) Scomo Gone
(14:55) Goodbye Stage 3 Tax Cuts
(27:27) ICJ Ruling on Genocide
(34:13) UNRWA
(38:41) Yemen
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Suburban Eastern Australia, an environment that has, over time,
Speaker:evolved some extraordinarily unique groups of homosapiens.
Speaker:But today, we observe a small tribe akin to a group of meerkats that
Speaker:gather together atop a small mound to watch, question, and discuss the
Speaker:current events of their city, their country, and their world at large.
Speaker:Let's listen keenly and observe this group fondly known as the
Speaker:Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.
Speaker:Welcome back, dear listener, the Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove podcast.
Speaker:I'm Trevor, aka the Iron Fist, with me, from the UK, back in
Speaker:Australia, Joe the Tech Guy.
Speaker:How are you, Joe?
Speaker:Evening, all.
Speaker:And not with us is, um, well, our little Velvet Glove from regional
Speaker:Queensland has come down with COVID.
Speaker:In fact, he came down to Brisbane, maybe he brought COVID with him
Speaker:or he quickly got it while he was here, but he's gone back with COVID
Speaker:and he's not feeling real well.
Speaker:So he's having, I'd say he's just in bed right now asleep.
Speaker:It's past his normal bedtime anyway, but he's not well.
Speaker:So it's just Joe and I.
Speaker:Joe, you don't have COVID, but you had a Crohn's episode that
Speaker:you've managed to overcome.
Speaker:Yes, it was an interesting Saturday night.
Speaker:Yeah, we won't go into the details of it, but, uh, as regular listeners would
Speaker:know, both Joe and I have Crohn's disease.
Speaker:Joe's case is a lot worse than mine.
Speaker:So, um Yeah, oh well, thoughts and prayers got you through, Joe.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:Hmm, yeah.
Speaker:So yeah, just the two of us, episode 415, 29th of January 2024.
Speaker:And, one of the topics, the topics will be, ah, Scott Morrison,
Speaker:finally gone, stage three cuts, stage three tax cuts, finally,
Speaker:Labor's done something about them.
Speaker:Um, and we'll look at Gaza, the South African claim of genocide by Israel, the
Speaker:ruling by the, by the international court.
Speaker:Justice.
Speaker:And then an interesting thing about, there's another group, the U-N-R-W-A,
Speaker:which is uh, a group that does a lot of the on the ground work of
Speaker:distributing aid in Gaza and Australia and a bunch of other countries
Speaker:decided to stop giving them money.
Speaker:Incredibly.
Speaker:And a little bit about Yemen.
Speaker:So there we go.
Speaker:Things are starting to finally happen in Australia in terms of politics.
Speaker:Everybody has been away in doing nothing but.
Speaker:So we've had a little bit to talk about about Australia.
Speaker:So maybe a bit more happen over the next few weeks right Before we start Joe, I
Speaker:was playing squash at a different squash club down the coast on the weekend.
Speaker:Played this guy And he was a good player, beat me, but afterwards started talking
Speaker:and then It became clear that he was an anti vaxxer You just can't spot him and
Speaker:they start opening their mouth and you go.
Speaker:Oh, no You're not heading in this direction, are you?
Speaker:Oh, you are?
Speaker:Oh, really?
Speaker:I was staying with my sister in law over Christmas and, um, she
Speaker:revealed that she was very sceptical of, um, the COVID vaccine and, uh,
Speaker:you know, started trotting out some stuff and I just tuned it all out.
Speaker:I wasn't going to have the argument.
Speaker:You know, you know If a bunch of Mormons knocked on the door and
Speaker:wanted to start talking about God, you could invite them in.
Speaker:And have a conversation about, about it, and it would be enjoyable,
Speaker:and you could disagree on things.
Speaker:But with these anti vaxxers, like I started briefly with this guy,
Speaker:just going, well, what about the peer reviewed studies and whatnot?
Speaker:Oh, you know, basically dismissed every peer reviewed study that existed.
Speaker:Unless it agreed with him.
Speaker:Yes, and, and, and just, just dismissed it out of hand as being people who
Speaker:were, um, um, you know, had an agenda and were on the payroll of chemical
Speaker:companies and pharmaceutical companies.
Speaker:And, and I said, you know, peer review in journals, like, the
Speaker:people doing the reviews are not in the pay necessarily of anybody.
Speaker:And, I said, you know, you've got people like tenured professors who are
Speaker:guaranteed a job at the university and so they're not beholden to anybody and
Speaker:he just wouldn't accept that that was the case and that they had to be under
Speaker:the control of pharmaceutical companies.
Speaker:And you just strike these roadblocks where normal evidence
Speaker:It's just thrown out the window.
Speaker:You just don't know where to go, do you, man?
Speaker:I mean, there are problems with, um, some of the studies that are published.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Um, but the process is robust.
Speaker:Um, there needs to be things to make it more robust.
Speaker:We know that positive studies are much more likely to be
Speaker:published than negative studies.
Speaker:There are problems with it.
Speaker:But, um, uh, the interesting thing is the people who will quite happily deny the
Speaker:studies that show evidence against what they believe, will willingly jump on a
Speaker:study that's published that shows what they believe, yeah, what they do believe.
Speaker:Uh, and you're saying, you know, how do you know the difference?
Speaker:How do you know what's a good study and what's a bad study other than it agrees
Speaker:with you or it doesn't agree with you?
Speaker:Yes, you just hit these roadblocks with them.
Speaker:Another guy I was talking to about, um, uh, a different guy, a different
Speaker:issue, uh, climate change, and, uh, maybe it was about nuclear power and
Speaker:renewables, and then I was talking about the levelised cost of energy.
Speaker:And, and he was be peeling the idea and he said, well where did
Speaker:you get that information from?
Speaker:I said, oh, from the CSIRO.
Speaker:And he goes, well you can't believe a word they say.
Speaker:It's just like Well, no, because they've been captured by the
Speaker:fossil fuel industry, haven't they?
Speaker:It's just Well, where do you go to when the scientists haven't,
Speaker:but their management, do you not remember they were, they weren't
Speaker:allowed to mention climate change, the CSIRO were banned from on high.
Speaker:I don't remember that one, I don't remember that one, but, um, anyway,
Speaker:you know, you just can't quote any reputable authority and it
Speaker:just gets dismissed out of hand.
Speaker:Well, then it's all just opinion and we just yell our opinions at
Speaker:each other is what you can do.
Speaker:And I just wasn't.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, no, no.
Speaker:I mean, it is.
Speaker:It's very much, uh, um, my ignorance is equal to your 30 years of experience.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And, you know, when people say, why should I trust you?
Speaker:I'm saying, don't trust me.
Speaker:Go off and find what the experts say, and not the one expert
Speaker:that agrees with you, but the 99 experts that don't agree with you.
Speaker:Find out why they think that other guy is wrong.
Speaker:And, you know, my argument is, science is a process of argumentation.
Speaker:That is normal.
Speaker:When it fails over into the mainstream press That's because
Speaker:the person on the losing side can't convince his peers that he's right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So the only reason we're having these arguments in the popular
Speaker:press, is because the person can't convince the experts who actually
Speaker:understand and know the difference.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Good point.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Anyway, just, you just, you run across so many roadblocks with
Speaker:these types of people, I think.
Speaker:I think next time I'm just gonna, and it was in an environment where it
Speaker:wasn't really conducive to a debate and I almost like, just felt like
Speaker:saying to him, we're clearly going to get nowhere, but just for the record
Speaker:because you're just not going to accept any facts or information I put forward.
Speaker:You're full of shit and I'm not going to convince you of anything, so why don't
Speaker:we just leave it at that and move on.
Speaker:Ah, and agree to disagree, but they're very vehement.
Speaker:They're so, they get really angry, very Emotional, very passionate, the
Speaker:most passionate vehement arguments of a topic you'll come across.
Speaker:Um, anyway, that was my, uh, my week, Joe, my little event on Sunday.
Speaker:Now, for some good news, Scott Morrison, he's quit, he's gonna leave.
Speaker:Oh no.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Finally.
Speaker:How are we going to survive without him?
Speaker:And his leadership.
Speaker:And his God.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:This podcast has struggled for content since the guy.
Speaker:Got kicked out.
Speaker:Because he was a goldmine of content for a podcast.
Speaker:Yes, I'm sure you've still got the Governor General's wife, haven't you?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Is it still the same guy?
Speaker:Is he still there?
Speaker:As far as I know.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, so he's, he's going, um, he's joining an American defence firm
Speaker:called American Global Strategies.
Speaker:And this is the same Prime Minister who signed AUKUS, Australia up for AUKUS.
Speaker:So, he's joined a defence group who makes money, obviously, from beefing up
Speaker:defence purchasing of various countries.
Speaker:Ah, that's about the only place that would end up.
Speaker:I'm sure it's all God's plan.
Speaker:Yeah, I thought he was going to end up a preacher, actually.
Speaker:Apparently they wouldn't have them.
Speaker:Yeah, possibly not.
Speaker:The shovel, um, provided an interesting slant on it.
Speaker:Um, they said, leading economists say it has never been easier to find work.
Speaker:One company so desperate for workers, it was left with no choice.
Speaker:but to hire a lazy, talentless, cosplaying glorified sales rep from the shire.
Speaker:Quote, the unemployment rate is now officially zero.
Speaker:The country's least employable man has found a job.
Speaker:That's a good one.
Speaker:Ahhhh.
Speaker:Human resources expert Jessica Bailey said she'd never seen anything like it.
Speaker:You know, employers are struggling for talent when they're offering a
Speaker:job to a guy who once miscalculated a budget by 60 billion.
Speaker:Forgot to order vaccines during a pandemic and had to ask his
Speaker:wife whether rape was bad.
Speaker:Uhhhhhh.
Speaker:I mean, imagine the reference checks on this guy.
Speaker:His former colleagues have described him as a horrible person,
Speaker:a fraud and a complete psycho.
Speaker:The French President called him a liar.
Speaker:Uh, there we go.
Speaker:And that was the nicest thing you could say about him.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Bernard Keane, writing in Crikey.
Speaker:He says that ScoMo was in many ways the culmination of long term trends
Speaker:within the Federal Liberal Party, rather than a genuinely new figure.
Speaker:So not merely its infiltration and shift to the right by extremists, climate
Speaker:denialists and social reactionaries, but a complete transformation into a money for
Speaker:policy racket in which political donations And provision of post politics employment
Speaker:with a primary determinants of policy.
Speaker:So, yeah, certainly looking at people like, uh, Christopher Pyne
Speaker:and others who end up in these jobs with companies they were dealing
Speaker:with when they were ministers.
Speaker:It just should not be allowed, I don't care what period of time transpires.
Speaker:It's just reached the point where you have to worry whether decisions
Speaker:have been made with a view to getting a job after politics.
Speaker:There's got to be something down there.
Speaker:It's a scary thought.
Speaker:So, um, so that was Bernard Keane.
Speaker:I reckon Scamo Is, uh, more than just the culmination of long term
Speaker:trend, because he brought in the whole Pentecostal sort of idea.
Speaker:We had Abbott, the Catholics, um Oh, and we had John Howard.
Speaker:Yes, and the Methodists.
Speaker:I think he's Methodist, John Howard.
Speaker:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:He was certainly very, very God on his sleeve, wasn't he?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Those guys were just the more traditional religions, whereas Morrison is dragged in,
Speaker:he's evangelical, muscular types, that's a new, I guess that is a continuation of
Speaker:a trend, from just traditional religion to the more extremist, yes it is.
Speaker:Although being seven ministers at the same time.
Speaker:Yeah, that was, yeah, appointing himself, yeah.
Speaker:So, thinking of things he did, um, highlights, greatest hits, as it was
Speaker:described by Crikey, um, The time he, uh, accidentally squished a kid, when it was
Speaker:supposed to be a fun little football game.
Speaker:Um, the time he had to go up welding.
Speaker:Joe, have you ever done welding?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Yeah, neither have I.
Speaker:I do know that you're not supposed to not use a welding goggle, though.
Speaker:He must have really damaged his eyes with that.
Speaker:We never found out afterwards, but Well, I think it was possibly short enough time
Speaker:that It didn't do much, either that or it felt like somebody threw sand in his
Speaker:eyes for a couple of days afterwards.
Speaker:Yeah, you only need a flash, apparently, and you're going to be in pain
Speaker:for quite a while, so he must have been, but we never heard about that.
Speaker:Um, the Sri Lankan tamarind eggplant and okra curry, which was that chicken
Speaker:curry that was clearly undercooked.
Speaker:Yeah, and his secret self appointment to various ministries.
Speaker:That was just plain weird as well as corrupt.
Speaker:And of course, his fingers were all over the Robodebt scheme, which was revealed
Speaker:subsequently to be a horrible thing that was inflicted on so many people.
Speaker:So goodbye and good riddance to Scott Morrison.
Speaker:And goodbye and good riddance to the Stage 3 tax cuts, Joe.
Speaker:How long have we been rabbiting on about Stage 3 tax cuts?
Speaker:Oh, six months, a year, I don't know, sometime.
Speaker:Yeah, no, longer than that.
Speaker:Ever since, ever since they got elected, even before the election, because
Speaker:in the campaign leading up to the election, that's true, they had rolled
Speaker:over and said, uh, don't worry, we're on board with these Stage 3 tax cuts.
Speaker:And, we and a lot of other people were going, for God's sake, have some backbone.
Speaker:Because it was clearly a wedge issue, where they were worried that, in
Speaker:an election campaign, the Liberals could successfully run a campaign
Speaker:about high taxing Labor government.
Speaker:So, why didn't they do then, Joe, what they did, what they offered now?
Speaker:Which cleverly was We're going to give the same amount of overall tax
Speaker:cut, we're just going to give it to different people, mainly the poorer
Speaker:people rather than the rich ones.
Speaker:So it's obvious, isn't it, to just say we can't accuse us
Speaker:of not, of not reducing tax.
Speaker:We are.
Speaker:It's just that we're reducing it to a different group of people
Speaker:and yeah, to people who need it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And to go out in an election.
Speaker:And argue the case.
Speaker:Why didn't they do that then?
Speaker:Because they didn't want to give the slightest hint of a
Speaker:possibility of Murdoch banging them.
Speaker:It would have been such As it's Maybe Murdoch has become
Speaker:more and more toothless.
Speaker:Maybe, maybe there was an argument he made that at the time Murdoch still
Speaker:had a bit of sway, but I think we've realised that Murdoch's reign is over.
Speaker:What I've been listening to, I was listening to Paul Buongiorno on 7am
Speaker:podcast, and What he said was that, really, Albanese had to be dragged
Speaker:kicking and screaming to this decision.
Speaker:And it was the treasurer, Jim Chalmers, who is the one
Speaker:saying, we need to do something.
Speaker:A, because the cost of living crisis has got a lot of people out there saying.
Speaker:You know, you're not doing anything to help with the cost of living crisis.
Speaker:And B, this is a really shitty policy to be, uh, to be running as a tax account.
Speaker:So, apparently, Joe, I think they're worried about Greens.
Speaker:It's the only thing I can think of.
Speaker:They're worried that they're going to lose votes to the Greens.
Speaker:Yeah, but it strikes me as extraordinary that it seemed like Albanese was almost
Speaker:the last person in the Labor caucus.
Speaker:To be convinced of this.
Speaker:What's going on in that guy's head?
Speaker:Well, I think all of Labor are, um, almost as bad as the Liberal Party.
Speaker:They are, they're just in the pocket of business, big business.
Speaker:The top end of town.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Landon Hardbottom's arrived in the chat.
Speaker:He says, I'm a bit late, have I said anything interesting yet?
Speaker:Well, Scott's sick with COVID.
Speaker:Tucked up in bed, Landon, so.
Speaker:He's looking for thoughts and prayers, if you'd like to
Speaker:offer him some, so, uh, yeah.
Speaker:Ah, with these tax cuts, if you're wondering what it means, there's a
Speaker:graph on the screen and essentially, the people on lower incomes, what's the
Speaker:median or average, well, I forget, the average, I think, is about seventy six.
Speaker:How is that?
Speaker:It may be eighty.
Speaker:I think the average is about eighty and the median is about fifty five or sixty.
Speaker:I think.
Speaker:Sounds about right.
Speaker:Yeah, so, um, so people on, say, 60, 000, previously were only going to get a 375,
Speaker:000, now they're getting 1, 179, 000.
Speaker:People on 100, 000, previously getting 1, 300, 000, now they're getting 2, 100, 000.
Speaker:And for people on 200, 000, Previously they were getting 9, 000,
Speaker:now they're getting 4, 500, so the lower levels, I mean people on 30,
Speaker:000 previously weren't going to get any tax cuts out of this Stage 3.
Speaker:So there's a lot of people, Joe, that the Labor Government will
Speaker:be able to pitch to at the next election if this becomes an issue.
Speaker:Well they said it's a 6 to 1 ratio, so for every one person who's
Speaker:going to lose out under that.
Speaker:Six people are going to gain under it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And really, if you're earning under 150, 000 a year, which is going to be
Speaker:90 percent of the earning population, you're going to do better off under this.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So, good luck, Liberals, if you want to go to the next election.
Speaker:So um, so an article in the Saturday paper said, um, this left the Coalition
Speaker:in its standard position promoting the interests of the already well off.
Speaker:But from a more exposed place than usual.
Speaker:Deputy Opposition Leader, Susan Lay, rashly promised the Coalition
Speaker:would roll back Labor's package.
Speaker:If, you know, if the Liberals got into government.
Speaker:And Markey lawyers quipped on X that Lay had made a solemn pledge to increase
Speaker:income tax for everyone earning less than 150, 000 a year, while reducing
Speaker:it for everyone earning more than that.
Speaker:Which was funny and literally true, but also an indication of how detached from
Speaker:real life the Coalition has become.
Speaker:So, Lai's line was so funny.
Speaker:I think she walked it back.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:She walked it back.
Speaker:Walked it back the next day.
Speaker:But, um, that's how out of touch they are.
Speaker:But, well, she's crazy anyway, isn't she?
Speaker:So, we've been saying for so long now, this is an easy sell.
Speaker:Just do it.
Speaker:They've eventually done it.
Speaker:So, so Joe, you mentioned what, uh, well, you know, News Corp doesn't
Speaker:have the power that it used to.
Speaker:Will it be able to do something with this to help the Liberals or the
Speaker:Conservatives in the next election?
Speaker:It's been trying its hardest, hasn't it?
Speaker:Yeah, well, there was an article again in Crikey looking at the
Speaker:reaction of different newspapers.
Speaker:Uh, the Nine Papers had it both ways.
Speaker:Uh, calling the move a flip, so the Sydney Herald, Sydney Morning Herald
Speaker:described it as a flip, but also quoted Angus Taylor's description of
Speaker:the move as a betrayal in the age.
Speaker:So, uh, in both cases emphasising the wider application of the new
Speaker:cuts, so Sydney Morning Herald.
Speaker:Headline was, Tax Flip, A Win For Millions, PM Says, and in the age, Bigger
Speaker:Cuts For Millions Amid Claims Of Betrayal.
Speaker:Um, Shane Wright from the age in the editorial said, Breaking
Speaker:a promise is one thing, a real plan for tax reform is another.
Speaker:And he said, political promises matter, voters have every right
Speaker:to expect the informal contracts they enter into with political
Speaker:parties at election to be honoured.
Speaker:This is a cornerstone of our democratic system.
Speaker:But, in the age's view, there was a reasonable case to break the promise to
Speaker:deliver the third tranche of tax cuts.
Speaker:Due to begin on July 1.
Speaker:So there we go.
Speaker:That was the age.
Speaker:Sydney Morning Herald said, while some of the reforms signed off by
Speaker:Cabinet and Caucus may well make sense, that does not absolve Albanese
Speaker:from breaking an election promise.
Speaker:And of course, At the Australian, which is such a caricature now, the
Speaker:headline was, Albanese's Tax Ambush.
Speaker:PM's breach of faith on tax cuts could prove to be politically fatal,
Speaker:said Dennis Shanahan, and in the article he said something like, You
Speaker:were going to say something, Joe?
Speaker:I was about to say, yes, all those people who are earning over 150,
Speaker:000 a year who were going to vote Labor will no longer vote Labor.
Speaker:That's going to be a big blow, isn't it?
Speaker:I think they were at the tennis the other night, Joe.
Speaker:Did you see that?
Speaker:In the speeches, they sort of mentioned the dignitaries who were there, and
Speaker:when Albanese's name was mentioned.
Speaker:Pretty heavy booing.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Now, you could say that it's a tradition for Australians to boo
Speaker:their political leaders when they're mentioned at sporting events.
Speaker:If I was Prime Minister or Premier of a state, you know, Premier of a state
Speaker:or Prime Minister of the country, I would beg the announcers, please
Speaker:don't mention I'm here, because I know I'd be, I'd come in for a booing no
Speaker:matter how good a job I was doing.
Speaker:Anyway, um, yeah, what did they say in the Australian, um, uh, this is
Speaker:from the article, Albanese's move is not only a sneaky preach of faith,
Speaker:but also cynical repudiation of the fundamental reform Intention of the
Speaker:tax changes which were designed to eliminate the anti aspirational and
Speaker:productivity dulling effect of bracket creep that pushed more and more
Speaker:taxpayers into higher tax brackets and provided lazy money for governments.
Speaker:What, what did they say about John Howard and the GST then?
Speaker:'cause I, I, I thought he had gone to the election promising there wasn't
Speaker:gonna be GST that was different Joe.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But you see, Joe, you know, there were people on 150, 200, 250 who
Speaker:just weren't going to work anymore.
Speaker:Oh, of course, yes.
Speaker:They were just going to clock off early because of, uh, well, they will now.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You know, had those tax, stage 3 tax cuts been allowed, they would
Speaker:have been head down and bum up.
Speaker:Nose to the grindstone.
Speaker:And the productivity of the country would have Sword.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Now it's not going to happen.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Because, uh, people on the 150k plus are, are vital cogs in the economy.
Speaker:Forget that six times the number of people are now incentivised to the ex God's sake.
Speaker:So yeah, a bad day for aspiration, according to the Australian.
Speaker:And uh, the Herald Sun, Albo's War on Aspiration, the Western
Speaker:Australian, Stages of Denial.
Speaker:Basically had um, Elbow's Face and a whole lot of quotes from the
Speaker:past where he said he's promised to keep the stage through tax cuts.
Speaker:Landon wants to know if he can clock off if he's owning over 200, 000.
Speaker:Well, you've been disincentivised, haven't you, Landon?
Speaker:Obviously.
Speaker:Yeah, you will probably just clock off and go, I'm not going to work anymore.
Speaker:Buses are taken, so much in tax, there's just no point.
Speaker:And the Daily Telegraph described, uh, had a picture of Albanese with,
Speaker:he's now a liar, L I A R, liability.
Speaker:So there we go.
Speaker:I mean, at least a few positive words in some of them, and just exactly what
Speaker:you'd expect from the others, and, uh, But, it's gonna be really hard
Speaker:for, uh, the Coalition to, to mount an argument going to the next election.
Speaker:Oh yes, we'll 3 tax cuts.
Speaker:Mm, yeah.
Speaker:I just can't believe it took so long, Joe!
Speaker:And that they went into election.
Speaker:And that Albanese was the last one in Caucus wanting to do this.
Speaker:It just doesn't all go well for the future with this mob.
Speaker:Hopeless.
Speaker:Ah, here we go.
Speaker:Um, Israel, Palestine, Gaza, EMA.
Speaker:That's, that's good Yiddish there, Joe.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, so what did we have?
Speaker:We had South Africa applying to the International Court of Justice,
Speaker:seeking a declaration of it was what the, what Israel was doing was
Speaker:genocide of the Palestinian people and the International Court of Justice
Speaker:refused to implement the most crucial demand, um, which was for a ceasefire.
Speaker:Um, instead.
Speaker:The ICJ, International Court of Justice, ordered Israel to take six provisional
Speaker:measures to prevent acts of genocide, measures that would be very difficult,
Speaker:if not impossible, to fulfil if Israel continues its saturation bombing of Gaza.
Speaker:So, they didn't call for a ceasefire, but they said that Israel had to
Speaker:do a number of things which you essentially couldn't comply with.
Speaker:Unless you pretty much did a ceasefire.
Speaker:So, translated into the vernacular, the court is saying Israel must feed and
Speaker:provide medical care for the victims, cease public statements advocating
Speaker:genocide, preserve evidence of genocide, and, importantly, stop killing
Speaker:Palestinian civilians, and come back in a month's time and report about how
Speaker:well you've complied with these things.
Speaker:So, uh, if one of the requirements is to stop killing Palestinian civilians,
Speaker:then that would really mean you've just got to stop bombing this place.
Speaker:Otherwise, how could you comply with that, um, requirement?
Speaker:So Oh, it's easy.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:They're all future soldiers, or possible soldiers, therefore they're not
Speaker:civilians, therefore you can kill them.
Speaker:You should be working for the Israeli government, Joe.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, what did Prime Minister Netanyahu say about the International Court of Justice?
Speaker:He said, the decision of the anti Semitic court in The Hague
Speaker:proves what was already known.
Speaker:This court does not seek justice, but rather the persecution of Jewish people.
Speaker:And National Security Minister Ben Cavier said about the court, They
Speaker:were silent during the Holocaust and today they continue the hypocrisy
Speaker:and take it another step further.
Speaker:That's really playing.
Speaker:I've heard of people playing the race card before, Joe.
Speaker:That's, that's really playing it there.
Speaker:Yeah, it's true, they were silent during the Holocaust.
Speaker:And why's that, Joe?
Speaker:Because they weren't founded until 1946.
Speaker:Yeah, I've got here 1945, following the Nazi Holocaust, and the first case
Speaker:was submitted to the court in 1947.
Speaker:So yeah, given they weren't founded, it's pretty hard for them to do anything.
Speaker:I guess he's right, they were silent.
Speaker:You're dead right.
Speaker:Ah, rulings by the International Court of Justice are binding.
Speaker:However, the court has limited ability to enforce such measures.
Speaker:Enforcement relies on the UN Security Council to uphold judgement.
Speaker:And guess what?
Speaker:It's got permanent members who are able to exercise veto powers.
Speaker:I can think of one that might exercise veto powers.
Speaker:Ah, The Hague is anti semitic according to Israel.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:Oh, and Ben Givir also tweeted, Hague schmague, immediately
Speaker:after the ruling was issued.
Speaker:Which will probably go down in history as one of the most Israeli, as the
Speaker:most Israeli tweet of all time.
Speaker:So they don't give a shit what the International Court of Justice says,
Speaker:because they take the view that the court is a bunch of anti Semitic
Speaker:people who didn't help during the Holocaust and are not helping now.
Speaker:Um, in the show notes, you get a copy of an article by Caitlin Johnston,
Speaker:basically saying that Gaza is exposing Western Liberals for the frauds they are.
Speaker:And everything that mainstream Liberals claim to oppose is on full
Speaker:display in Israel's actions in Gaza.
Speaker:Racism, fascism, tyranny, injustice, genocide.
Speaker:Yet they must necessarily avoid throwing themselves into opposing
Speaker:these things there at all costs.
Speaker:Because it would mean acknowledging that their own political allegiances are
Speaker:inseparably Interwoven with them, um,
Speaker:I'll just get one more paragraph, it would mean turning against Biden
Speaker:during an election year, it would mean admitting that their entire political
Speaker:posture against Trump all these years has been a phony performance because
Speaker:they're tacitly endorsing All those things they claim to hate about him.
Speaker:It would mean admitting their entire world view is a lie, and all their
Speaker:critics to the left have been correct.
Speaker:So, people on the left, who claim to be on the left, who are endorsing
Speaker:Israel's position, according to Caitlin Johnson, are exposed as hypocrites.
Speaker:Joe?
Speaker:Do they really think that Trump would be any different, though?
Speaker:To, uh, no.
Speaker:About Israel?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:I mean, American politicians are over the barrel when it comes to
Speaker:Israel and have been for many years.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And they supported the creation of Israel.
Speaker:They provided all the troops and the equipment against the British because
Speaker:it was a British mandate in Palestine.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So it was, it was the Israelis with American equipment
Speaker:fighting against the British.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:I don't think they think, um, I don't think the argument is that
Speaker:Trump would be any different.
Speaker:It's just that you claim to hate Trump because of A, B, C, D and E, horrible
Speaker:things, and if you go and look at Israel and what it's doing in Gaza, you can
Speaker:see A, B, C, D, E, horrible things, yet you're not condemning them as you would
Speaker:condemn Trump, I think is the argument.
Speaker:Looking for consistency, complaining about the hypocrisy.
Speaker:Joe, I had never heard of, until the last couple of days, the UNRWA.
Speaker:You ever heard of this group?
Speaker:The United Nations Right Wing Arseholes?
Speaker:The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees.
Speaker:Had you heard of it before?
Speaker:Heard of UNHCR, but that's the only one I'm aware of.
Speaker:Did you read about any of this in the mainstream press at all?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Again from Caitlin Johnston, and I've read it in other articles.
Speaker:The US and eight of its allies have suspended funding to the UNRWA, which is
Speaker:the primary humanitarian agency in Gaza.
Speaker:And the reason is, following Israeli allegations that a dozen employees
Speaker:of the 30, 000 that actually work for the UNRWA, so a dozen of the
Speaker:30, 000, according to Israel.
Speaker:were involved in October 7th attacks by Hamas.
Speaker:And for that reason, the US and a bunch of countries, including
Speaker:Australia, have decided we're not going to give this primary humanitarian
Speaker:agency in Gaza any more money.
Speaker:I find that incredible, Joe.
Speaker:Yeah, I mean, I can understand them demanding strongly that there's an
Speaker:investigation into why a humanitarian agency is helping commit terror attacks.
Speaker:And the UN has agreed to do that.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Then I think that's about as far as you can go.
Speaker:To just then go, oh, of the 30, 000 employees, 12 of them were Hamas,
Speaker:because Israel says they were.
Speaker:I mean, even if it's true, well, big deal if 12 and big deal if Some
Speaker:of the aid has been siphoned off to Hamas or something in a way where
Speaker:it's not going where it's meant to go.
Speaker:But if most of it gets there, that's good enough for me.
Speaker:You just can't, I mean, Joe, could you imagine being in Gaza
Speaker:as one of these poor Palestinians?
Speaker:Like, it'd be hell on earth at the moment.
Speaker:And, and the primary group providing humanitarian assistance just loses
Speaker:its funding from eight Western countries because Israel says.
Speaker:A dozen employees are part of Hamas.
Speaker:Everyone goes, Oh, gotta stop the money flow now, sort this out.
Speaker:Unbelievable.
Speaker:I find it incredible.
Speaker:Including Australia.
Speaker:Well, I mean, did you honestly think Australia was going
Speaker:to do anything different?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:That's the sad part now.
Speaker:Just a lapdog to the US in all of this sort of stuff.
Speaker:Pathetic.
Speaker:Ah.
Speaker:Israel says they came across the information.
Speaker:Um, after interrogating militants who were arrested on October 7th, so, uh,
Speaker:read torture for that, I would think, Joe.
Speaker:So Enhanced interrogation.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:As Caitlin Johnston says, to recap, accusations of genocide deemed credible
Speaker:by the International Court of Justice, and the West says preposterous lies not
Speaker:worth opposing a single massacre over.
Speaker:And then we have unsubstantiated claims about a dozen staff, which, uh, the claims
Speaker:are extracted via torture, and apparently that's the gospel truth, and worthy of
Speaker:ending humanitarian support for Garsons.
Speaker:That's where we're at.
Speaker:Ah, that's where we're at.
Speaker:Incredible.
Speaker:Um, there is an Australian Palestinian Advocacy Network.
Speaker:They have slammed Australia's decision.
Speaker:And, New Zealand hasn't frozen aid yet.
Speaker:They're gonna wait for the UN investigation.
Speaker:And, um,
Speaker:yeah, this Palestinian group says that the UNRWA is the main service on the ground.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:I find that one incredible.
Speaker:Yemen, Joe.
Speaker:Here's, uh, let me just bring up a little clip from a lady who was interviewed
Speaker:on some sort of British, um, maybe it was Sky in Britain, I think, um, and
Speaker:I think this lady's a filmmaker, I don't think she's got any particular
Speaker:high powered role anyway, and anyway, I just like the straight talking of this.
Speaker:I don't I don't see much straight talking like this whenever I used to watch the 7.
Speaker:30 report or things like that.
Speaker:People being brutally honest.
Speaker:So whether you sort of agree or disagree.
Speaker:about the Yemenis.
Speaker:I just, I like the straight talking plain English of this woman.
Speaker:Here we go, have a listen to this.
Speaker:Dr Francois, I mean, there are many who are saying that, frankly, the
Speaker:Biden administration should have acted sooner and faster, that hundreds of
Speaker:billions of dollars has been put at risk because the Houthis have held
Speaker:this area in the Red Sea at ransom.
Speaker:Sorry, so just let me get this straight, Yalda.
Speaker:So we are bombing the poorest, one of the poorest countries in the world.
Speaker:That has been under a humanitarian blockade.
Speaker:There has been famine.
Speaker:These people have been decimated.
Speaker:And we are bombing them because a couple of guys in dinghies in support
Speaker:for the Palestinians who are having a genocide committed against them.
Speaker:They're objecting to that and we're bombing them?
Speaker:Come on now.
Speaker:I mean, this is just an insane world for us to even think.
Speaker:I'm so sorry your Amazon packages are delayed.
Speaker:I really am.
Speaker:Like, I wish mine came one time.
Speaker:But, you know, genocide, guys.
Speaker:Genocide.
Speaker:There are two mothers a day dying in Gaza right now.
Speaker:It's 109 days into a conflict in which a humanitarian crisis has been
Speaker:declared to the world day in, day out.
Speaker:By the way, Dr.
Speaker:Francois, there are many who are Yemen Watchers who monitor and follow
Speaker:the Houthis who say This is doing wonders for their branding, actually,
Speaker:that it isn't just the Palestinian cause that they're focused on.
Speaker:So call a ceasefire now, and end the positive branding.
Speaker:If you want to stop the Houthis doing what they're doing, then
Speaker:call a ceasefire right now.
Speaker:Do you genuinely believe that the Houthis would stop doing what they're doing?
Speaker:They have literally said that that's why they're doing what they're doing.
Speaker:They have not previously blocked those routes for any
Speaker:other reason except this one.
Speaker:So yes, I do.
Speaker:And I also think the West needs to start to understand You cannot just go
Speaker:around playing cowboys in the world.
Speaker:There are consequences to your actions.
Speaker:You cannot just go around bombing people's countries, ignoring international
Speaker:law, and expect no repercussions.
Speaker:For every cause, there is a consequence.
Speaker:And just because you don't like a couple of guys trying to resist I mean, these are
Speaker:now prescribed terrorists, the Houthis.
Speaker:Well, also according to the Yemeni people.
Speaker:Yeah, which is a Saudi backed government, which is essentially our government.
Speaker:But the Yemenis who live, uh, you know, under Houthi rule talk
Speaker:about the fact that This group continues to terrorize them as well.
Speaker:I'm no fan of the Houthis, apart from when they're blockading in
Speaker:favor of a ceasefire which should have been called a long time ago.
Speaker:Bill, brother, I'm just going to bring you into the conversation.
Speaker:We started the whole conversation an hour ago about how you can't
Speaker:afford housing and you're a generation and so on and so forth.
Speaker:These people are creating A total trade, um, blockade, um, which is
Speaker:causing inflation, which is causing all sorts of problems to everybody.
Speaker:When 35, 000 people are dead in Gaza right now, there are over 60, 000 people injured
Speaker:with no access to food, water, aid.
Speaker:How dare we have a conversation about trade?
Speaker:When there are children right now being treated without anaesthetic, Well,
Speaker:there are things that require us to make some sacrifices, at least, I mean,
Speaker:they do have the global economy, global markets, hostage, good for them, Bill
Speaker:Browder, good for them, cease fire now.
Speaker:Thoughts, Joe?
Speaker:Uh, apparently everything is excusable if, um, uh, it's in a good cause.
Speaker:I think you pick a fight with an international trade route, no
Speaker:matter your excuse, because it wasn't just Israeli shipping that
Speaker:they've been attacking, they've been targeting anything and everything.
Speaker:Is that the case?
Speaker:Is that the case?
Speaker:Well, certainly it's enough to have scared the people using that shipping channel.
Speaker:Um, Maersk, which is a Danish shipping company that actually
Speaker:is us owned for some reason.
Speaker:Mm-Hmm.
Speaker:, um, have been targeted.
Speaker:Well now because the US and the UK have bomb bombed the Houthis.
Speaker:They're now saying they were, they were, they were targeted even before then.
Speaker:Well, no, because, because they've bombed the Houthis, the Houthis have said,
Speaker:okay, it's not just Israeli connections.
Speaker:Now, if you've got a US or UK connection, you're up for grabs.
Speaker:And so just cycle back to.
Speaker:Prior to the bombing and whether the Houthis were, um, uh, attacking ships
Speaker:that did not have an Israeli connection.
Speaker:It's actually really hard to tell, um, whether they were getting it right or not.
Speaker:It's really hard to know, um, a whole bunch of stuff related to it.
Speaker:I was listening to your mate Perun.
Speaker:Oh yeah?
Speaker:Did you listen to him on this issue?
Speaker:Uh, yes, a couple of weeks ago, I think I fell asleep, though,
Speaker:because He wasn't very, yeah, he wasn't very convincing about it.
Speaker:I think, uh So, I think, because John put me onto it, and, and
Speaker:I found him very unconvincing.
Speaker:And, anyway, it's really hard to tell.
Speaker:Where the truth lies on what any of these things, you know, whether the Houthis
Speaker:pretty good in only attacking Israeli ships or Israeli connected ships or
Speaker:ships that we're going to deliver stuff to Israel or deliver stuff from Israel.
Speaker:Really hard to tell.
Speaker:And then even things like, well, what do the Houthis on the ground want?
Speaker:Are they happy with this government or not?
Speaker:Who knows?
Speaker:Who knows?
Speaker:Like, that commentator or that lady on the Sky News says, oh, the
Speaker:local people think the Houthis are terrorists and don't like them.
Speaker:Like, who knows if that's the case?
Speaker:Well, look, it's the Saudi Arabia Iran proxy war, isn't it?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So the Houthis are, on the one hand, freedom fighters.
Speaker:For the Iranians, yes.
Speaker:One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.
Speaker:And who knows where the truth lies?
Speaker:We just don't know.
Speaker:So, very difficult to, to say with any conviction, those sorts of things, but
Speaker:anyway, I like the straight talking of that lady, so, um, Landon says, Trevor,
Speaker:this is why we need submarines, so, so we could ship, um, our Amazon products
Speaker:through the Suez in a submarine.
Speaker:I was wondering where the, uh, submarines were coming from.
Speaker:Okay, that makes, that makes more sense.
Speaker:Yeah, so, um, good point, Landon.
Speaker:Good point.
Speaker:Hadn't thought of that.
Speaker:Yeah, and that's why we need really big submarines.
Speaker:Maybe they're so big, they won't be able to submerge properly in the canal, or
Speaker:Talking of international shipping, I sent some packages from the UK back home,
Speaker:um, at Surface Mail, and they came in, I think, two and a half, three weeks.
Speaker:Pretty good.
Speaker:Yeah, I was shocked.
Speaker:I was expecting months.
Speaker:Mm hmm.
Speaker:They did look like they'd been played football with.
Speaker:Uh, 28 bucks for two kilos.
Speaker:Okay, coming all the way.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, that's all right.
Speaker:So yes, I don't know if they came through the Suez Canal though.
Speaker:Mmm, don't know either.
Speaker:So, what a lot of them are doing and making it clear that they're Chinese
Speaker:ships and Chinese owned and and then they're getting through Okay,
Speaker:so yeah Is the PLAN there or not?
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I think there's certainly been murmurs from China that there would
Speaker:be a naval presence if required.
Speaker:But China would, in the, to stop the Houthis?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:If, if Chinese ships are getting attacked, I think Chinese Navy would intervene.
Speaker:I think a lot of ships are going out of their way to say that they're Chinese
Speaker:because they know that that's a good move, and that they'll be let alone.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Ah, so anyway, um Maybe the Houthis need their cheap tat.
Speaker:Uh, what else can I say about that?
Speaker:Um, yeah, I mean, the U.
Speaker:S.
Speaker:sets up blockades everywhere, all over the planet, and that's all perfectly fine.
Speaker:Just a bunch of Yemenis try and do it, and all hell breaks loose.
Speaker:Just inconsistent, hypocritical.
Speaker:I've never seen the U.
Speaker:S.
Speaker:shut down a major trade route.
Speaker:Well, the trade route to Cuba and to Venezuela and And they
Speaker:confiscated an Iranian ship, so, you know, selectively, for people who
Speaker:resist, they will, they will block.
Speaker:To a single country, I understand, yes.
Speaker:Yeah, well it's the trade route to Venezuela, they'll block, so.
Speaker:Yeah, but it wasn't the Panama Canal.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Ah.
Speaker:You know, but they didn't have any UN authorisation to do it, it was just,
Speaker:we're going to stop ships going and doing business in this area without
Speaker:any international authorisation, other than the international
Speaker:rules based order, rather than international law, yeah, so, um.
Speaker:Goddamn communists.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, New Zealand sent military personnel to target the Houthis.
Speaker:They've got a bit of a new conservative government there.
Speaker:Would not happen, would not have happened under Jacinda Ardern, I don't think, Joe.
Speaker:Could you imagine New Zealand sending, like we did, sort of, a
Speaker:few guys to tap away at computers, um, assisting the US and the UK
Speaker:with their bombing of the Houthis?
Speaker:I don't think she would have done it, but the new New Zealand government has.
Speaker:So, um, here we go.
Speaker:According to the New Zealand Prime Minister, Christopher Luxon, who
Speaker:said, A decision to send military personality of the Red Sea to help
Speaker:bomb Yemen reflects New Zealand's values and a desire to protect the
Speaker:rules based international order.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:That's New Zealand.
Speaker:Finding allies, Joe, is not as easy as it used to be.
Speaker:So, let me just see if I've got it on this, um, on this chart here.
Speaker:Hopefully I do.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Put this one up on the screen.
Speaker:For those playing along at home, so in the Gulf War, um, the Americans were able to,
Speaker:uh, rustle up a coalition of 38 countries.
Speaker:The Afghanistan War, a coalition of 42 countries.
Speaker:The Iraq War, 48 countries.
Speaker:Syrian war, um, 13 countries, and the Yemen war, we're down to 9 countries.
Speaker:So, just interesting that it's getting more difficult to rustle
Speaker:up allies for these things.
Speaker:And some of the participation by these countries, fairly minimal.
Speaker:Like, I think our participation is half a dozen guys tapping away
Speaker:on computers, um, ordering coffees and lunches for everybody, perhaps.
Speaker:So It's critical intelligence.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Um, and what else we got here?
Speaker:Well, you see the Gulf War was the coalition of the drilling, wasn't it?
Speaker:Yes, that's right.
Speaker:Yeah, there was a chance to get some oil.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, yeah.
Speaker:So really only the US and Britain are actively involved in
Speaker:the military strikes on Yemen.
Speaker:So everyone else is pretty low key in their assistance.
Speaker:So, so there we go.
Speaker:That's a roundup of.
Speaker:Um, Gaza, Israel, Palestine, Yemen, Stage 3 tax cuts, and the disappearance
Speaker:soon of Scott Morrison from the scene, Joe, let's make a prediction,
Speaker:how will How will we hear of Scott Morrison again in a few years time?
Speaker:How will he pop up, do you reckon?
Speaker:I reckon he's going to be caught in some gentleman's lavatory.
Speaker:Right, with his pants down.
Speaker:Yes, exactly, with a Ramp Boy.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Having bought some meth.
Speaker:Right, some sort of I mean, isn't that, isn't that the way that evangelicals go?
Speaker:It could be, um, yeah.
Speaker:You know, they wouldn't give him any serious role to do, it would
Speaker:just be, it would just be payback.
Speaker:It would just be a sign to future politicians.
Speaker:I think he's going to grease the wheel, isn't he?
Speaker:He's, he's gonna set up meetings with his former colleagues and Yeah, I guess
Speaker:he's gotta wait for a conservative government to come into power.
Speaker:And then we'll hear about Scott Morrison, the lobbyist, having organised meetings.
Speaker:But without that, he's got no hope of being, doing anything of the sort.
Speaker:So, um, uh When I was in London last week, I went round the Palace of Westminster,
Speaker:which was an interesting tour.
Speaker:Why was that?
Speaker:Walking around the Houses of Parliament.
Speaker:Okay, yes.
Speaker:Any connection to Scott Morrison there or anything, no?
Speaker:No, just the corridors of power.
Speaker:See where it all happens.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Which is interesting, because you actually get to walk through literally the House
Speaker:of Commons and the House of Lords.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Walked, walked through, well, just past the open door, look in.
Speaker:No, no, no.
Speaker:Walked physically inside.
Speaker:They ask you not to sit down on the benches.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:You get to walk past the, uh, dispatch box and the, the table
Speaker:where they all stand and talk.
Speaker:It's remarkably small, isn't it?
Speaker:It is.
Speaker:Basically, there's only seats for about half of the number of MPs.
Speaker:Um, so if there's a big vote coming, they all crowd in various places.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Um, but they're not allowed to give a speech unless they're
Speaker:physically sitting down.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So, yeah, it was quite interesting.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Can they all fit, even if they're standing then?
Speaker:Uh, I don't know.
Speaker:I mean, there's the upper galleries as well above the main house.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And so they get a few hundred more up there.
Speaker:Yeah, very good.
Speaker:Right, well Joe, uh, our best wishes, our thoughts and prayers go to Scott
Speaker:up there in Mackay, tucked away in bed.
Speaker:He might have just gone to bed with a bit of, um, lemon tea or
Speaker:something like that, battling COVID.
Speaker:And, uh, hopefully he'll be fine for next week.
Speaker:You around next week?
Speaker:Yeah, should be.
Speaker:Okay, I am as well.
Speaker:Uh, to the people in the chat room, thank you for your comments.
Speaker:Uh, Watley only just arrived, late again.
Speaker:Well, Watley, you'll just have to watch the replay.
Speaker:And, um, Joe, I'm gonna go watch now that, uh, new ABC series.
Speaker:Which is looking at, um, basically the Turnbull Morrison governments.
Speaker:And they've interviewed a whole bunch of the players, Barnaby Joyce and Tony Abbott
Speaker:and Christopher Pyne and all these people.
Speaker:And talking about, um, the whole shitshow that it was.
Speaker:And I think a few of them are motivated to, to, to bag various players,
Speaker:so That could be an interesting exposé of What a bunch of horrible
Speaker:munchkins we had around the joint.
Speaker:I'm fairly sure there was a Four Corners on, uh, Turnbull coming down.
Speaker:Was that Scotty?
Speaker:Came off Turnbull?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But it was basically about how the right wing had taken over.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's quite an interesting one.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I think ABC has just had something.
Speaker:Series has just started.
Speaker:So anyway, I'm gonna watch that and, um, thank you in the chat room.
Speaker:We'll be back next week.
Speaker:Talk to you then.
Speaker:Bye for now.
Speaker:And it's a good night from him.
