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Episode 400 - More News, Politics, Sex and Religion

In this episode we discuss:

(00:28) Intro

(03:40) Reflections

(23:52) Rock N Roll Culture

(26:42) Feedback

(33:43) Essential Poll

(37:26) Rundle on The Greens

(40:31) Tim Gurner

(45:36) Joe Rogan

(48:58) Thank You Patrons

(53:23) Wrapping Up


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Transcript
Trevor:

We need to talk about ideas.

Trevor:

Good ones and bad ones.

Trevor:

We need to learn stuff about the world.

Trevor:

We need an honest, intelligent, thought provoking, and entertaining

Trevor:

review of what the hell happened on this planet in the last seven days.

Trevor:

We need to sit back and listen to the Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.

Trevor:

Let's just call it the Iron Fist and the Tech Guy.

Trevor:

Joe, how are you?

Trevor:

Good.

Joe:

Unemployed now.

Joe:

Unemployed.

Joe:

I was made redundant.

Joe:

Last month, and effective as of today,

Trevor:

so

Joe:

I'm taking the opportunity to go and see family back in Europe,

Joe:

And sort some stuff out, so I will be active as I can be it's, it's 9.

Joe:

30 in the morning UK time.

Trevor:

Perfect.

Joe:

Should be able to get on, assuming I've got a decent internet connection, and

Trevor:

that's the big question.

Trevor:

A tip for you, Joe, take a microphone with you.

Trevor:

Yeah, that's true.

Trevor:

Because somebody who should be here for the 400th episode, Yeah.

Trevor:

who moved from Rockhampton to Mackay, forgot to pack his microphone,

Trevor:

and is now twiddling his thumbs in Mackay, and unable to join us.

Trevor:

In this important episode.

Trevor:

Oh, Scott.

Trevor:

There we go.

Trevor:

So Scott's not with us because he didn't pack his microphone.

Trevor:

It's probably somewhere in a box back in Rockhampton or something like that.

Trevor:

So it's just Joe and I.

Trevor:

There we go.

Trevor:

Episode 400.

Trevor:

We'll just rant away as we do.

Trevor:

If you're in the chatroom, say hello.

Trevor:

Don's already said hello.

Trevor:

David Cox has and congratulated us.

Trevor:

Thank you very much.

Trevor:

Yes, 400.

Trevor:

It is quite an achievement.

Trevor:

And, oh look, initially I wasn't going to, but then in the last half hour

Trevor:

I've cobbled together some thoughts.

Trevor:

A bit of a review of 400 episodes and what I've taken from it.

Trevor:

So, may as well run through it and and tell you what I think.

Trevor:

Because 400, that's significant.

Trevor:

There's not many podcasts running around that have done 400 once a week.

Trevor:

And gone for eight years, so.

Trevor:

That's what we've done here, dear listener.

Trevor:

News and politics, sex and religion.

Trevor:

And people are still

Joe:

listening, more to the point.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

Congratulations to the listeners.

Trevor:

Yes, to the listeners.

Trevor:

It's been a marathon.

Trevor:

Good on you for hanging in there.

Trevor:

So, let me put the chat up here so I can see what people are saying.

Trevor:

There it is.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

So, so yeah, it is a big milestone, 400, and not everybody can get that done.

Trevor:

I was always confident, Joe, right from the beginning, that this

Trevor:

would be a long lasting podcast.

Trevor:

I knew I was going to make 100 or 200 episodes, for sure, so.

Trevor:

Oh, there's plenty to say, isn't there?

Trevor:

There is.

Trevor:

Politics is the gift that keeps giving.

Trevor:

That's right.

Trevor:

Other podcasts that traditionally rely on interviewing people, for example.

Trevor:

It'd be really hard to find 400 people to interview on a particular topic, so,

Trevor:

and just lining them up is tricky, so...

Trevor:

We've had it easy in that sense, that we haven't relied too much on interviews.

Trevor:

Although, I have to say, that the episodes where we have had interviewees have

Trevor:

been some of the better ones, and...

Trevor:

Some of the more enjoyable ones.

Trevor:

Yeah, there's definitely been some interesting interviews.

Trevor:

Yes, so it's all about time, dear listener.

Trevor:

That's just, you know, organizing people, getting the right time,

Trevor:

hooking up and doing it all is tricky.

Trevor:

So...

Trevor:

Anyway I thought it'd be interesting to just sort of think about how things have

Trevor:

changed in the podcast, this podcast, and my thinking, because probably

Trevor:

some of you may think, oh, Trevor's very rigid in his views and he never

Trevor:

changes and he always thinks he's right.

Trevor:

Well, I, I, you were a member of the Labor Party for some of it.

Trevor:

That's right.

Trevor:

I was a member of the Secular Party for some of it.

Trevor:

That's true.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

So, So let's so you know, the podcast obviously started with

Trevor:

Scott and myself, and a big emphasis was on sort of secularism.

Trevor:

We were part of the secular party, and it was about trying to promote

Trevor:

secular ideas via a podcast.

Trevor:

But pretty soon, you know, in the first episodes, we were looking at just politics

Trevor:

generally, and You just can't talk about religion and secularism every week.

Trevor:

So, so that was how it started, and so some things haven't changed.

Trevor:

We're obviously still very pro secular.

Trevor:

and anti religious privilege.

Trevor:

I think we've been pretty consistent over eight years on that one.

Trevor:

I was always, from the very beginning, anti expensive submarines and that

Trevor:

was when the bill was only 50 billion.

Trevor:

It's now 368 or something crazy like that.

Trevor:

Cheaper half the price.

Trevor:

But but we've been talking about submarines since the very beginning

Trevor:

on this podcast, arguing about that, always anti submarines.

Trevor:

We did a lot of discussion in the early days about the Trans Pacific Partnership.

Trevor:

I remember.

Trevor:

Mmm.

Trevor:

These are evil agreements where basically governments agree that multinational

Trevor:

companies can come into their countries.

Trevor:

and not have to face any sort of tariffs.

Trevor:

And

Joe:

sue them for the

Trevor:

banning of tobacco.

Trevor:

Yes, and they have these investor state dispute resolution clauses

Trevor:

so that if a company of a signatory country decides that rules have been

Trevor:

implemented which detract from their business model unfairly, then they can

Trevor:

sue under the Trans Pacific Partnership or under these Free trade agreements.

Trevor:

And you end up in some dodgy tribunal room in Hong Kong or somewhere by

Trevor:

some person who's not a qualified judge and all sorts of nasty decisions

Trevor:

can be made where governments can be told, no, you can't change laws.

Trevor:

You can't change the mining law that might affect the profitability

Trevor:

of an international miner.

Trevor:

And you can't, you know, they tried to argue that we couldn't change our tobacco.

Trevor:

Packaging laws, because that would interfere with the profits

Trevor:

of Philip Morris, and it was a unfair restraint of trade, contrary

Trevor:

to the free trade agreement.

Trevor:

So, that was a big topic in the early days.

Trevor:

Hip hip hooray for Donald Trump!

Trevor:

Because one of the first things he did was can the idea of the Trans

Trevor:

Pacific Partnership, put it to bed.

Trevor:

And that's why, and it hasn't come back since Donald Trump, so it was basically

Trevor:

all the way up until Donald Trump, we were talking about that fairly regularly.

Trevor:

And only in recent times we had Clive Palmer with one of his companies, a

Trevor:

local domestic company, which he then domiciled somewhere else, like Singapore,

Trevor:

in order to take advantage of...

Trevor:

I don't

Joe:

believe that that man would be litigious in any

Trevor:

way, shape or form.

Trevor:

Yeah, so he was pulling the same trick that the tobacco companies did in shifting

Trevor:

a local company overseas in order to use the free trade agreement clauses.

Trevor:

Despicable stuff.

Trevor:

The negotiating of these clauses is done highly secretively.

Trevor:

We never get to see them.

Trevor:

Until it's a done deal, and shock horror, it's always bad for

Trevor:

everybody except multinationals, Joe.

Trevor:

So, that was a big one in the early days.

Trevor:

You mean, you mean citizens, don't you?

Trevor:

What did I say?

Trevor:

Multinationals.

Trevor:

Well, it's good for multinationals and bad for citizens.

Trevor:

No no no no,

Joe:

citizens multinationals, exactly, multinationals are

Trevor:

citizens don't forget.

Trevor:

Yes, indeed.

Trevor:

Then we had we've always been, I've always been anti bill of rights,

Trevor:

whenever that's cropped up because I don't like the idea of activist

Trevor:

judges being able to decide things.

Trevor:

Bill of Rights essentially.

Trevor:

Always vague and open.

Trevor:

They have to be.

Trevor:

Deliberate, yeah.

Trevor:

So,

Joe:

are you anti the Constitution then?

Joe:

Because that's vague and open by nature.

Trevor:

Well, it'd be worse if it had a Bill of Rights in it.

Trevor:

Right.

Trevor:

Even more vague.

Trevor:

So...

Trevor:

Our constitution's not, I was going to say it's not bad, I mean, or

Joe:

it's activist judges with section, what is it, 113

Trevor:

or 116?

Trevor:

Well, there's not too much that was to do with religion.

Joe:

Yes, the fact that we missed out

Trevor:

the, With the dogs case.

Trevor:

The, the

Joe:

word a religion

Trevor:

instead of religion.

Trevor:

Any religion, yes.

Trevor:

That's it, yeah.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

I don't, yeah, okay, wasn't a great decision.

Trevor:

Imagine how much worse it would be if it was more open.

Trevor:

You know, one of our problems, Joe, is we really should get rid of the states, and

Trevor:

the whole idea of the constitution was the states agreeing to the constitution,

Trevor:

so that's never going to happen.

Trevor:

I was thinking the other day, I was thinking today, there's something

Trevor:

happening in ACT, where ACT wants to

Trevor:

pass laws in relation to freeing up drug possession,

Trevor:

decriminalising, and of course, the member for your electorate, Joe.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

He made

Joe:

a living, he made a name for himself as a...

Joe:

Copper who wasn't at all in any way, shape or form bent yes,

Trevor:

he has decided, no, we don't need decriminalization.

Trevor:

They're gonna stand in the way of the a c t passing these laws.

Trevor:

Of course, the a c t is a territory, not a state, therefore subject to

Trevor:

control by the federal government.

Trevor:

And I was think to myself, maybe, you know, one day we could face.

Trevor:

The ACT wanting to become a state.

Trevor:

Well, you know, if Friendly Jorders is to be believed

Joe:

he's got some friends who are making fairly lucrative

Trevor:

business out of it.

Trevor:

Out of, columbian marching powder.

Trevor:

Right.

Trevor:

Okay.

Trevor:

No doubt they are.

Trevor:

But you know what?

Trevor:

I think it'll be impossible for...

Trevor:

the ACT to ever become a state because the other states will look at it and go,

Trevor:

well they're a bunch of liberal lefties, we won't let them have a vote in the

Trevor:

constitution that might be important.

Trevor:

But

Joe:

also, it was all about Sydney and Melbourne wanting to have the capital

Joe:

and ACT being an independent third party, so they're not going to let it

Joe:

become a state with the capital in it,

Trevor:

are they?

Trevor:

No, probably not.

Trevor:

Anyway, they're destined to always be under the thumb of federal rule.

Trevor:

Always pro equal rights and anti special rights on this podcast, at least.

Trevor:

So, always pro gay marriage when that plays out.

Trevor:

No, no, marriage equality.

Trevor:

Marriage equality.

Trevor:

Thanks, Joe.

Trevor:

Always in favour of voluntary assisted dying.

Trevor:

Really enjoyed following how that all progressed.

Trevor:

Pro life organ transplant?

Trevor:

What's that?

Trevor:

Life organ

Joe:

transplants?

Trevor:

What about them?

Trevor:

Monty Python, meaning of life.

Trevor:

Oh, okay.

Trevor:

Sometimes, Joe, you're just too obscure for me.

Trevor:

Right, okay.

Trevor:

Voluntary assisted dying would be one of the success, you know, the marriage

Trevor:

equality and voluntary assisted dying.

Trevor:

Some of the success stories for our society over the last eight years.

Joe:

And also

Trevor:

abortion.

Trevor:

Hmm, making that easier?

Trevor:

Yeah,

Joe:

so legalising it rather than making it a special exemption.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

I think most states did it in the last few years, didn't they?

Joe:

Queensland definitely did, I think.

Joe:

New South Wales Dead, a couple

Trevor:

of others.

Trevor:

Hmm.

Trevor:

So, so yeah in the chat room thank you more Noisy Andrew's in there and

Trevor:

David Ryland's there congratulating us.

Trevor:

Watley the Wizard is there.

Trevor:

Who else is in there?

Trevor:

If you're in the chat room, say hello.

Trevor:

That's good to see.

Trevor:

What else did we talk about?

Trevor:

I was always very wary of the voice.

Trevor:

I think it was way back in episode three, we flagged that Noel Pearson

Trevor:

had run this idea up the flagpole and I was, at that point, not a fan.

Trevor:

Remained so ever since.

Trevor:

So there's a list of things that really haven't changed.

Trevor:

Opinions have been pretty much the same as what they were when we

Trevor:

started and you know, have I changed my mind about anything in eight

Trevor:

years, or thoughts, or whatever?

Trevor:

I was talking to a Paul from Canberra about this the other day.

Trevor:

I'd say I've softened towards Muslims.

Trevor:

I would have...

Trevor:

Muslims or Islam?

Trevor:

Well, both, really.

Trevor:

I think I've softened to them.

Trevor:

I pretty much would have, previously, eight years ago had them at a different

Trevor:

level of distaste to Christianity.

Trevor:

Maybe Christianity has just deteriorated to the level where Muslims are.

Trevor:

That's possible.

Trevor:

Yeah, but I think, yeah, certainly not as harsh on Muslims and Islam as I was.

Trevor:

There hasn't

Joe:

been as much Islamic terrorism in Western countries recently.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Okay, previously I would have been quite libertarian, in line with the Twelfth Man.

Trevor:

But I've developed a greater willingness to constrain individualism

Trevor:

where it detracts from the overall benefit of the community.

Trevor:

So, Twelfth Man and I, of course, had many arguments over free speech, cake

Trevor:

baking, and Israel Folau, and the Twelfth Man would have been arguing a

Trevor:

lot of the time about the freedom of the individual to do what they want,

Trevor:

and I started to, initially in the early days, I would have been along the same

Trevor:

lines, but then I shifted more to...

Trevor:

Collective responsibilities, I would say.

Trevor:

So, I think that was a significant change in the way I viewed the world.

Trevor:

You changed in that way at all, Joe?

Trevor:

I was, historically,

Joe:

I believed that hate speech should be limited.

Joe:

And then I listened to Christopher Hitchens speech at somewhere in Canada.

Joe:

Where he argued that actually it wasn't the freedom to speak your

Joe:

mind, it was the freedom to hear an opinion that was different from yours.

Joe:

And that the only way that you are ever going to...

Joe:

make a good decision is to hear arguments that go against your current position.

Joe:

And therefore, it's less about the freedom for me to spout hateful material

Joe:

and much more about having my ideas

Trevor:

challenged.

Trevor:

I sort of look at it these days where there's a lot of restrictions on

Trevor:

speech, defamation, financial advice.

Trevor:

You can't give financial advice, good or bad, unless you're registered.

Trevor:

And that's a good law because people can lose a lot of money and

Trevor:

suffer a lot of pain from shonks giving financial advice who aren't

Trevor:

qualified and who aren't regulated.

Trevor:

So we, we stop people saying things like financial advice that

Trevor:

can hurt people and communities.

Trevor:

And then we have this issue of people who are wanting to, you know, advise against,

Trevor:

you know, vaccines and things like this, where arguably that can also cause a lot

Trevor:

of pain and problems for a community.

Trevor:

And trying to define a difference between those two, It's not always easy.

Trevor:

So, you know, in eight years ago, I would have said, let them say whatever they

Trevor:

like and people have to sort things out.

Trevor:

I'm certainly would be more at this stage in my life of going,

Trevor:

let me find a way to stop them.

Trevor:

Let me find a way to argue they should be stopped, would be my initial thoughts.

Joe:

I, I, I, no, I'm, I'm happy to let them speak.

Joe:

I just want the ability to You stick up a huge banner over their

Joe:

heads saying this is a lying liar

Trevor:

who lies.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

So anyway, that's a change.

Trevor:

Let me think.

Trevor:

Also I was previously unaware of Boomer Privilege and

Trevor:

Intergenerational Power Plays.

Trevor:

I think I'm just more aware of that now.

Joe:

Well, that was

Trevor:

because of Paul.

Trevor:

Because being a Boomer.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Paul was not your classic Boomer though.

Trevor:

He wasn't a privileged Boomer with it.

Trevor:

No, no.

Trevor:

That was kind of a joke.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Previously unaware of the extent of US imperialism, and previously I would

Trevor:

have blamed poor countries for their corrupt, dysfunctional governments

Trevor:

without considering outside influences.

Trevor:

I would have probably been going, you stupid people, just get

Trevor:

your shit together, why can't you just organise yourselves?

Trevor:

And now I'm far more aware of the context.

Trevor:

No, I,

Joe:

I...

Joe:

I long found it ironic that the U.

Joe:

S.

Joe:

was lecturing Western Europe after the Second World War about getting rid

Joe:

of their colonies whilst desperately creating their own colonies around the

Trevor:

world.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

So, I certainly, that's an awakening for me.

Trevor:

I would previously have been wary of China.

Trevor:

Like if you look at some of the earlier episodes, we did stories

Trevor:

criticizing the social credit scores or worrying about them.

Trevor:

And also the Belt and Road Initiative.

Trevor:

This was a scheme that China was using in order to foreclose on

Trevor:

poor countries and gather assets.

Trevor:

It was also to

Joe:

gather votes

Trevor:

at the UN.

Trevor:

Sure.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

So, you know, definitely in the early days I wasn't pro China

Trevor:

like I am today, obviously.

Trevor:

So that's a change.

Trevor:

Previously I would have thought Hawke and Keating were good.

Trevor:

Now I'm beginning to realise they were just like another

Trevor:

version of Tony Blair, it seems.

Trevor:

Brought in a lot of stuff that ultimately wasn't great for Australia.

Trevor:

Free market.

Trevor:

Yeah, sold off, selling off stuff.

Trevor:

The way Super was just too good.

Trevor:

And we talked about that whole role with the deal with the union movement, and

Trevor:

Labor not the party, but Labor, the idea of sort of supposedly entering the asset

Trevor:

class and giving up their, their income.

Trevor:

And, you know, things started turning bad for the wage earners at that point,

Trevor:

so, so anyway changed my mind about them so there you go, dear listener,

Trevor:

I do change my mind about some things.

Trevor:

Other thoughts?

Trevor:

would be, Joe, economics is complicated.

Trevor:

Try and show luck.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Currency is complicated and crucial.

Trevor:

Mainstream economic theory has let us down.

Trevor:

Well, the episode

Joe:

with the modern monetary

Trevor:

theory.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Fascinating.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Stephen Hale.

Trevor:

So, yeah.

Trevor:

So I reckon, dear listener, I've spent a lot of time trying to get my head

Trevor:

around economics and I think it's, Intimately intertwined with US hegemonic

Trevor:

power and not enough is understood about economics because it is so difficult

Trevor:

and Joe, some of the complex, some of the stories, the ideas we do here.

Trevor:

Are not that complex, and people just can't get their head around them.

Trevor:

And economics is a complex one, and so I don't blame people for

Trevor:

not getting their head around it.

Trevor:

It's, it just seems, one of the ways of getting change in terms of our

Trevor:

society will be trying to get the average man to understand, for example,

Trevor:

trickle down economics doesn't work.

Trevor:

But it's so ingrained.

Trevor:

It works perfectly.

Joe:

The question is, who does it work

Trevor:

for?

Trevor:

That's right.

Trevor:

Not in the way that it's sold.

Trevor:

To the public.

Trevor:

Yeah, true, Joe.

Trevor:

So yeah, economics is complicated.

Trevor:

I quite like Sam Harris still as sort of, one of the podcast guys, but he

Trevor:

has a real blind spot on economics.

Trevor:

He never talks about it.

Trevor:

I think.

Trevor:

We at least try to do that here.

Trevor:

Try and look at the ins and outs of some of these economic questions.

Trevor:

So, some of the things I would like to revisit as I think about what we've

Trevor:

done in the past would be just things to do with human nature the whole

Trevor:

nature and nurture argument, the whole idea of we are sort of our DNA, us

Trevor:

cultural influences that play on us.

Trevor:

And sometimes that culture affects our DNA and our biology and it's

Trevor:

a real intertwining of what we are hardwired with and how that is shaped

Trevor:

and fashioned and changed by culture.

Trevor:

So that's all very interesting.

Trevor:

And meritocracy, we talked about, which is interesting, the whole idea of

Trevor:

human beings we did sort of the fruit flies versus the honeybees story, that

Trevor:

honeybees are social creatures and the whole idea is about the hive, whereas

Trevor:

fruit flies are solitary creatures.

Trevor:

So if you were to sort of talk to somebody about fruit flies, you

Trevor:

would talk about their wings, their legs, what they eat, their daily

Trevor:

habits of an individual fruit fly.

Trevor:

When you talk about honeybees, you wouldn't really be talking so much

Trevor:

of that as the interactions between the bees and how they communicate

Trevor:

and that's the story of honeybees.

Trevor:

And we as human beings are honeybees rather than fruit flies and it's

Trevor:

our interactions in our Social networking and the things we do as a

Trevor:

society that is what makes us human.

Trevor:

Oh, absolutely.

Trevor:

Society is what gives us value.

Trevor:

And this

Joe:

is always the argument against...

Joe:

When people, libertarians, talk about taxation being stealing their money.

Trevor:

And,

Joe:

you know, it's society's money, how much of it should you be allowed to keep?

Joe:

Because all the value is gathered, is

Trevor:

generated by society.

Trevor:

Indeed.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Those sorts of discussions.

Trevor:

Need more of those.

Trevor:

Haven't talked about them for a long time.

Trevor:

The Psycho Chickens.

Trevor:

I still have it on my playlist.

Trevor:

Right.

Trevor:

It's a great story.

Trevor:

The the Psycho Chickens story.

Trevor:

I just meant the song, but.

Trevor:

Oh, okay.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

It's a good one as well.

Trevor:

So, we'll revisit Psycho Chickens at some point.

Trevor:

You listening, if you haven't heard the Psycho Chickens story, go on your

Trevor:

app and do a little search in our podcast and see if you can find it.

Trevor:

So.

Trevor:

So there you go.

Trevor:

That's a little review of 400 episodes and what we were thinking about and

Trevor:

how we've changed or not changed.

Trevor:

So, there we go.

Trevor:

You're in the chat room.

Trevor:

Keep saying hello.

Trevor:

We'll just get on to topics now, Joe.

Trevor:

If you're late to the party and you're wondering where Scott is, he

Trevor:

left his microphone in Rockhampton.

Trevor:

He's currently in Mackay, therefore.

Trevor:

He's currently in the doghouse.

Trevor:

In the doghouse, yeah.

Trevor:

So, that's that's where he is.

Trevor:

Don't watch much straight television these days, Joe, but my wife likes watching

Trevor:

Australian Story on the ABC, and they had an episode on Silverchair, a famous

Trevor:

Australian rock out of Newcastle, and you know, they went through the history of the

Trevor:

band and what had happened to them, etc.

Trevor:

And the whole thing with drugs and...

Trevor:

The, the lifestyle of a rock and roll star, Joe.

Trevor:

Mm hmm.

Trevor:

It'd be pretty hard to live that lifestyle and not come a buster somewhere

Trevor:

along the track with, with drugs and that the fame and the money and

Trevor:

you're away from home and the rules...

Trevor:

People throwing

Joe:

themselves at you.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

And throwing drugs

Trevor:

at you.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

And just maintaining normal friendships and...

Trevor:

Mm hmm.

Trevor:

You can easily imagine how people would start off in a rock band as

Trevor:

perfectly normal and end up in a very different place just by virtue of being

Trevor:

a rock star, travelling the world and being offered all sorts of things.

Trevor:

You could easily imagine it.

Trevor:

The culture of, the cultural environment that you're put in is going to have a

Trevor:

major influence on what happens to you.

Trevor:

Yeah, I mean, there

Joe:

are those that live fast and die young.

Joe:

Mm.

Joe:

And then there are those that just keep going and

Trevor:

going and going.

Trevor:

Yes, some of them lucky, some of them well managed.

Trevor:

Some of them quite boring actually.

Trevor:

Yes, some of them quite boring, some managed to do it.

Trevor:

So, you know, I just, as I, because I've been corresponding with somebody

Trevor:

over the voice and just sort of struck me that in this whole voice debate,

Trevor:

we've just got no mention of the potentially negative role of culture

Trevor:

has not come up in these debates.

Trevor:

That all just frustrates me, that culture isn't mentioned.

Trevor:

So, Wadley's coming up with some ideas, Sid Barrett,

Trevor:

Robert Calvert and Lemmy, etc.

Trevor:

These are all people who have successfully avoided drugs, are they?

Trevor:

Is that what he's saying?

Trevor:

And lived a very normal lifestyle?

Trevor:

Or, or the opposite?

Trevor:

Burned out very early.

Trevor:

Oh,

Joe:

right, okay.

Joe:

Sid Barrett.

Joe:

Lost the plot, but I don't know if that was drugs, right?

Joe:

I think that was just a

Trevor:

mental health condition, right?

Trevor:

Yep.

Trevor:

So, Cliff Richard

Joe:

though.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

I mean he got he caught God, didn't he?

Joe:

He was infected with

Trevor:

that virus.

Trevor:

Did he?

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Right, okay.

Trevor:

Poor bugger.

Trevor:

A fate worse than a drug overdose.

Trevor:

Anyway during the week, I had a bit of a email, had some

Trevor:

feedback on the the voice episode.

Trevor:

So, oh look, I had one from a guy called Andrew and he

Trevor:

wasn't happy with the episode.

Trevor:

He says...

Trevor:

If you listen back you will find you personally don't demonstrate

Trevor:

why the voice is needed.

Trevor:

You dominated, only seemed to listen if a phrase somewhere said by others

Trevor:

seemed to support your case and you won't like this, you were ignorant.

Trevor:

Further on he said that I didn't want to listen and he said you don't consider

Trevor:

yourself ignorant but listening to the podcast today I hate to see it but say

Trevor:

it, but ignorant you were and yeah.

Trevor:

So he had a bit of a rant at me, I'll just come back to him in a moment

Trevor:

meanwhile Murray Waper, he sent me he started off saying, I found the debate

Trevor:

on the most recent show interesting but disappointing for the yes proponents.

Trevor:

Because you are the most prepared podcaster lawyer training I assume,

Trevor:

I feel I could or should have done more preparation for the show

Trevor:

rather than relying on gut instinct.

Trevor:

See, that's the way to write some feedback, is just throw in a little

Trevor:

compliment to me at the beginning.

Trevor:

Thank you, Murr.

Trevor:

Yeah, the shit sandwich.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

Compliment.

Joe:

That's it.

Joe:

Talking butt smack.

Joe:

And then Good

Trevor:

compliment.

Trevor:

And then At the end.

Trevor:

Compliment, and then butt.

Trevor:

And then Yes.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Start off with something nice, at least.

Trevor:

Anyway, Murray's feedback was a little bit confusing to me.

Trevor:

I'm asking him to clarify something there.

Trevor:

Anti US Sentiment said, Impressed by Liam's points.

Trevor:

I'm just voting yes because I want to offer support to a group who have been

Trevor:

displaced and repressed for decades.

Trevor:

Maybe that's virtual signalling, but I'll wear that.

Trevor:

Meanwhile, Mark said, I listened to the Voices section twice.

Trevor:

Some interesting points made on both sides, but I felt that the

Trevor:

no points were more persuasive.

Trevor:

A little bit racist seems like a little bit pregnant, so that

Trevor:

was some of the feedback I got.

Trevor:

Just getting back to Andrew, he did actually then, sort of, after

Trevor:

various emails, give me sort of an apology of sorts for his kind of rough

Trevor:

language to me, so thank you, Andrew.

Trevor:

Apology accepted.

Trevor:

Don

Joe:

wanted to point out that he's seen a whole bunch of yes adverts recently,

Joe:

but nobody bothering with no adverts.

Trevor:

And therefore

Joe:

suggests that maybe the S Camp are scared that the No

Trevor:

Vote's in the lead.

Trevor:

Right.

Trevor:

Well, they should be scared with the No Vote, because it is in the lead.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

So, yeah.

Trevor:

I guess it depends on the circles that you inhabit as to what age you're saying.

Trevor:

Yeah, I was

Joe:

going to say the murder rags are all full of and also my friendly...

Joe:

Neighbourhood Potato wrote

Trevor:

to me recently.

Trevor:

Did he?

Trevor:

Oh, this is Peter Dutton's.

Trevor:

So, dear listener, Joe lives in Peter Dutton's electorate.

Trevor:

Holding it up to the camera.

Trevor:

A little...

Trevor:

Ten reasons to say no.

Trevor:

Right, there we go.

Joe:

So, I'm glad the, I presume, federal parliament funds are paying for

Trevor:

this.

Trevor:

Oh, sure, he's not paying for it.

Trevor:

No.

Trevor:

It comes out of some electoral allowance or other stuff.

Trevor:

And

Joe:

go to riskyvoice.

Joe:

com for more information

Trevor:

about...

Trevor:

Is that what they call it?

Trevor:

Riskyvoice.

Trevor:

com?

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

And

Joe:

this is the sad thing, there are shit reasons to vote no, and there

Joe:

are reasonable reasons to vote no, and the right wing of parliament seem

Joe:

to have peaked on the shit reasons.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

And I'd like to see...

Trevor:

People commenting in the no camp, being a bit more aware that there are actually

Trevor:

people, sorry, people in the yes camp, being a bit more aware that there are

Trevor:

people in the no camp who have got other reasons that are perfectly legitimate

Trevor:

and we just weight things differently.

Trevor:

Yeah, I mean, I can't,

Joe:

who's, who's the senator who was in the Greens and left?

Trevor:

Lydia Thorpe.

Joe:

Yeah, I, I, you can't accuse her of being anti black.

Joe:

And she, she's voting no because she feels it doesn't go far enough.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

So I, I have seen some recognition of that, that there are those in the no camp

Joe:

who feel that that this is a time waster.

Joe:

This is a make white people feel good whilst doing absolutely nothing.

Trevor:

So I know Marsha Langton got into all sorts of trouble about whether she

Trevor:

was sort of calling people racist or not.

Trevor:

As I see it, they tend to paint people with the same brush.

Trevor:

They talk about the no campaign without taking the time to say, okay, there

Trevor:

are some other people out there who are voicing non racist objections to this.

Trevor:

Leaving them aside, blah, blah, blah, but you don't see

Trevor:

that sort of thing, that's...

Trevor:

And I

Joe:

have to say the vocal no campaign, the people who've been pushing it, have

Joe:

been trotting out misinformation almost

Trevor:

certainly.

Trevor:

Of course, yep, yep, the whole thing, not enough detail, blah, blah, blah.

Trevor:

There are other people who are like us, who have different reasons that we

Trevor:

feel illegitimate, and we sort of...

Trevor:

I think just as, if you're in the public making this argument, you've

Trevor:

got to be really careful to avoid the basket of deplorables situation.

Trevor:

I don't think enough care is being taken to avoid making that mistake

Trevor:

and I think there's a lot of people who are feeling they've been labelled

Trevor:

deplorables and they're not A little bit of extra nuance would have been nice.

Joe:

Yeah, and also the feeling as well, some people, if they feel excluded,

Joe:

if you're generally left leaning but feel that you are kicked out because

Joe:

you have concerns about something that if the other side is willing to

Joe:

embrace you then possibly you will move to the right and say, well at

Joe:

least these people will listen to me.

Trevor:

I've got some other material I was going to use,

Trevor:

Joe, but I think I'll save it.

Trevor:

Here, listen, I've, so I prepared a bunch of notes for last week that I've been

Trevor:

holding off on and cause I was really just saying to Liam, well, what's your

Trevor:

arguments and let's just deal with those.

Trevor:

And so I had a lot of stuff that never got touched because it wasn't

Trevor:

really stuff that Liam had raised.

Trevor:

Next week is my birth, my daughter's birthday and I'm cooking dinner

Trevor:

and dessert on Tuesday night.

Trevor:

So I think I might, during the week, just.

Trevor:

Do a rant on some of the other notes that I've got, and so the bits that I was going

Trevor:

to talk about in this one particularly of stuff that had come, that I'd come across

Trevor:

because of this interaction with Andrew, I will leave for that episode, I think.

Trevor:

So, I think that would be the way to deal with that.

Trevor:

Right, essential polls.

Trevor:

Ah, Joe, currently, ah, let me just share the screen here.

Trevor:

I'll do it this way.

Trevor:

That's going to be the best way.

Trevor:

Maybe?

Trevor:

I should be able to switch in a second, or where is that?

Trevor:

Share screen, sorry, got the wrong one.

Trevor:

Coming up, dear listener, there it is.

Trevor:

So, let's go back to, this is the latest essential report, and let's just go to

Trevor:

the overall trend, which is the no vote.

Trevor:

For essential is 52%, and the yes vote is 42 and the undecided 9%.

Trevor:

So it really seems, Joe, that according to the polls, there's

Trevor:

no way back for the yes votes.

Trevor:

It would be something quite extraordinary for the yes vote.

Trevor:

I,

Joe:

yeah, I mean, don't forget, Brexit was polling as not gonna happen and

Joe:

Trump was polling as not gonna happen.

Joe:

So I'd be careful with the polls, but did.

Trevor:

Well, okay, Trump actually lost the overall vote, so the

Trevor:

poll was actually correct.

Trevor:

In regards to overall sentiment on Trump, but it just happened

Trevor:

he got the right states.

Trevor:

And I think Brexit, wasn't Brexit, weren't there Brexit polls showing

Trevor:

that a Brexit decision was likely?

Joe:

I'm not sure.

Joe:

I mean, I think it was also the people didn't feel that they could say

Joe:

that they were going to vote Brexit.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

Whereas I think people don't feel that they can't say that they're

Joe:

going to vote no to the voice.

Joe:

I think people feel more, more free

Trevor:

to say that.

Trevor:

So, so anyway, that's where it's sitting in terms of the central poll.

Trevor:

And what else was in here that might've been interesting?

Trevor:

Attitudes to the referendum.

Trevor:

So do you agree or disagree with this statement?

Trevor:

I've had discussions with other people about the referendum.

Trevor:

What's that?

Trevor:

50, 61 percent of people would say they've had discussions with

Trevor:

other people about the referendum.

Trevor:

And then 39 percent would say that People I know don't seem to

Trevor:

want to talk about the referendum.

Trevor:

And 27% would say they've had disagreements with

Trevor:

people about the referendum.

Joe:

Oh, it's interesting.

Joe:

It came up at work with people undecided and, and wanting to hear

Joe:

a potted version of the arguments.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

. And I was surprised.

Joe:

I, I dunno if everyone's received them, but I've received from the a e C.

Joe:

Here's what the text is going to be, here's what the yes vote are saying,

Joe:

here's what the no vote are saying.

Trevor:

Right.

Joe:

Which at least summarized it.

Joe:

Mm hmm.

Joe:

Whether it was the full argument, at least you could pick it up.

Joe:

Read the article and get a a feeling of why people were saying

Joe:

yes and why people were saying

Trevor:

no.

Trevor:

Yeah, so, so, it's, yeah, it's looking to be quite extraordinary

Trevor:

for the yes vote to get up.

Trevor:

We'll see how that pans out.

Trevor:

Back on the Greens, Guy Rundle was writing in Crikey.

Trevor:

So, to do with this housing fund, the, and sort of...

Trevor:

The Greens got another billion dollars, Joe, so they improved the

Trevor:

deal and so you might remember, dear listener, that the Greens held

Trevor:

off agreeing and got two billion.

Trevor:

They

Joe:

sabotaged the wonderful plan that Labor was agreeing

Trevor:

to.

Trevor:

Correct.

Trevor:

Which was the maximum that could possibly be spent, so they got two billion.

Trevor:

And now they've got an extra billion.

Trevor:

So by holding off and they've agreed to, to to this latest arrangement with labor.

Trevor:

So good work on the greens part for mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Sticking to their guns.

Trevor:

Guy Rundel writing says the green's got another billion.

Trevor:

Labor is now going out of its way to present as pro business On

Trevor:

Radio National Breakfast a week or so ago, finance Minister Katie

Trevor:

Gallagher praised Jennifer Westcotts.

Trevor:

Outstanding leadership of the Business Council of Australia, honestly.

Trevor:

You're, you're the Labor Finance Minister, and you want to start praising

Trevor:

the Business Council of Australia, and in particular, Jennifer Westacott.

Trevor:

It's hard, you know, she's the cheerleader for, you've

Joe:

got to pay people this.

Joe:

So, so obviously, Jennifer Westacott's been advocating for above CPI raises,

Joe:

and that's why Labor are praising her.

Trevor:

It's just, so, as Guy Rundle says, Labor's going out of

Trevor:

its way to appear pro business.

Trevor:

And he describes Westcott describes this as a gutless celebration of anti

Trevor:

worker forces if ever there was one.

Trevor:

Meanwhile, the various disputes around labour protection moves are

Trevor:

understood as disputes between friends.

Trevor:

Business knows that the union movement is now a funds management

Trevor:

outfit with an attached employee management service called the ACTU.

Trevor:

That sounds about right.

Trevor:

Such a good turn of phrase.

Trevor:

I wish I could write like that.

Trevor:

And the Greens have thus been rewarded for their political courage in holding

Trevor:

out on the Housing Bill, suffering the culminy of voting with the Coalition.

Trevor:

In the Senate, they showed up Independent David Pocock as inexperienced and weak.

Trevor:

Pocock voted for the initial half, and then had to scramble to get on the Greens

Trevor:

side when the party won the first 2 billion of actual money for the fund.

Trevor:

And having then urged the Greens to vote for the bill after that, he will

Trevor:

now have to adjust his position again to welcome the next billion they got.

Trevor:

Good points.

Trevor:

Hmm.

Trevor:

He says, Guy Rundle, the Greens have used their swing position in the Senate

Trevor:

to become the de facto opposition at a certain level of politics at least.

Trevor:

So, there we go, Guy Rundle, the Greens.

Trevor:

In the chat room, Alison's there.

Trevor:

And her mum, Bev.

Trevor:

On Alison what else?

Trevor:

I've got a clip here.

Trevor:

Have, have, have you ever heard of Tim Gerner before?

Trevor:

He does.

Trevor:

Does he pull silly, silly faces?

Trevor:

Don't know.

Trevor:

It's a

Joe:

sport in the uk.

Joe:

Gurner is pulling silly

Trevor:

faces.

Trevor:

Is it?

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

There you go.

Trevor:

So he's a property developer and c e o who, well, wealthy name.

Trevor:

Okay.

Trevor:

And he had some thoughts on what's wrong with Australia.

Trevor:

Let me find video clip of him talking.

Trevor:

Some of you may have seen this guy.

Trevor:

So, really, when the arguments come about whether we need a wealth tax or not, all

Trevor:

we need to do is just play this clip.

Trevor:

Here we go.

Trevor:

I think the problem that we've had is that we've, you know, we have, people

Trevor:

decided they didn't really want to work so much anymore through COVID, and that

Trevor:

has had a massive issue on productivity.

Trevor:

You know, tradies have definitely pulled back on productivity.

Trevor:

You know, they, they have been paid, paid a lot.

Trevor:

to do not too much in the last few years and we need to see that change.

Trevor:

We need to see unemployment rise.

Trevor:

Unemployment has to jump 40 50 percent in my view.

Trevor:

We need to see pain in the economy.

Trevor:

We need to remind people that they work for the employer,

Trevor:

not the other way around.

Trevor:

I mean there is a, there's been a systematic change where employees feel

Trevor:

the employer is extremely lucky to have them as opposed to the other way around.

Trevor:

So it's a dynamic that has to change.

Trevor:

We've got to kill that attitude and that has to come through.

Trevor:

hurting the economy, which is what the whole global, you

Trevor:

know, the world is trying to do.

Trevor:

The governments around the world are trying to increase unemployment to

Trevor:

get that to some sort of normality.

Trevor:

And we're seeing it.

Trevor:

I think every employer now is saying it.

Trevor:

I mean, there is definitely massive layoffs going off.

Trevor:

People might not be talking about it, but people are definitely laying people

Trevor:

off and we're starting to see less arrogance in the employment market.

Trevor:

And that has to continue because that will cascade

Joe:

across the cost balance.

Joe:

I think we need to see less arrogance in the employer market.

Joe:

And he's a living example of why we should eat the rich.

Trevor:

Heh heh.

Trevor:

Ah.

Trevor:

Those arrogant workers.

Trevor:

Yes, exactly.

Trevor:

Yeah, so.

Trevor:

It's, it's

Joe:

strange, I did Management Theory years ago at TAFE.

Joe:

Mm.

Joe:

And it was very much, your manager is there to enable you to do your job.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

The manager isn't there to tell you what to do, they're there to enable you,

Joe:

because you're the worker of the person

Trevor:

who is the productive one.

Trevor:

Yes, well, there's just too many arrogant workers out there.

Trevor:

I mean, the guy was just repeating, what is reserve bank policy?

Trevor:

We've talked about this.

Trevor:

I think it was it the Phillips Curve or something like that

Trevor:

that we were talking about, Joe?

Trevor:

I don't

Joe:

remember the name, but I certainly remember the whole, yeah, we have

Joe:

to keep unemployment at a certain

Trevor:

percentage.

Trevor:

Right.

Joe:

Otherwise inflation's gonna go through the roof.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Joe, I've got this great tool now, called the Transcript Search Tool.

Trevor:

You did say, yes.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

So I can tell you now that we use the word Phillips in episode 374 and episode 350.

Trevor:

Quickly, like instantaneously, lines go through the transcript and Here's what

Trevor:

we had to say about the Phillips Curve.

Trevor:

Hang on.

Trevor:

And this is all part of a theory called the Phillips Curve.

Trevor:

And the problem with that is that around the world they are

Trevor:

looking at unemployment figures.

Trevor:

We go on.

Trevor:

How cool is that?

Trevor:

Like, you really can find stuff really quick.

Trevor:

The other thing we mentioned was a guy called Phillips Hermans.

Trevor:

But anyway.

Trevor:

So, so now your

Joe:

spousal arguments you're recording and transcribing, so that you can look

Joe:

back and see, 10 years ago you said...

Trevor:

That's, you could, it'd be really handy.

Trevor:

I want that in my life.

Trevor:

You said this.

Trevor:

No, I didn't.

Trevor:

I said this.

Trevor:

Where's my, where's my transcript tool?

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Cause I was playing with it before.

Trevor:

And and I thought when did we talk about chickens on the episode?

Trevor:

And this thing, I'm just going to type in chickens now, Joe.

Trevor:

And I haven't gone all the way back with these.

Trevor:

I think you're going to foul it up.

Trevor:

So, episode 394, we used the word chickens.

Trevor:

What did we say?

Trevor:

When they had to kill the chickens they were looking after.

Trevor:

Hang on, there's another one.

Trevor:

Birthrights.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

So...

Trevor:

The, the exam question...

Trevor:

Hang on.

Trevor:

Anyway, I actually gave that to Liam as part of his prep to say,

Trevor:

Hey, if you're wondering what Scott was saying about stuff, you can

Trevor:

look through the transcript tool.

Trevor:

Anyway.

Trevor:

All good fun.

Trevor:

Now, where was I?

Trevor:

So yeah, that was, he was just repeating what the Reserve Bank has

Trevor:

been saying is crush the workers and make them feel precarious so that

Trevor:

then wages will bring back serfdom.

Trevor:

Yes, that was it.

Trevor:

So, so that was him and he was just repeating Reserve Bank policy.

Trevor:

So, Why all the fuss, one would wonder.

Trevor:

What else have I got here?

Trevor:

I've also got Anybody out there a fan of Joe Rogan?

Trevor:

Please tell me you're not.

Trevor:

So, he had some stuff.

Joe:

Joe Rogan, many years ago, had some long form interviews with some

Joe:

very interesting people, and some long form interviews with some total idiots.

Joe:

And the problem was he seemed to not know the difference between them.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

But he

Joe:

has since ignored the decent people and gone full tilt with

Trevor:

the idiots.

Trevor:

Yeah, and he's a product of his culture, and if you grow up in

Trevor:

America, and beating the shit out of each other, and you're worth 500

Joe:

million, then you end up with Brain

Trevor:

damage and you with $500 million, these are the things that you'll sign.

Trevor:

Yeah, but here's the thing.

Trevor:

One of you should do that, one of you should take care of the children.

Trevor:

Like this idea that both parents should get maternity and paternity leave

Trevor:

at the same time is a little weird.

Trevor:

I don't think so.

Trevor:

You don't think so?

Trevor:

I don't.

Trevor:

Why?

Trevor:

Only because I have a German cousin and they get the shit.

Trevor:

I mean, they get like a, Full year for the woman and nine months for the husband.

Trevor:

That's great.

Trevor:

You want to live in Germany?

Trevor:

Because in America you gotta work.

Trevor:

But here's the thing.

Trevor:

If you have a small business, you're the one who loves

Trevor:

small businesses, okay, right?

Trevor:

No, you

Trevor:

can't take maternity have an employee and this is your, like, your f ing CEO

Trevor:

of your little company or whatever.

Trevor:

And they They're the wife has a baby and the husband's like,

Trevor:

I'm taking four months off.

Trevor:

You're like, what the f are you talking about?

Trevor:

I'm and I'm questioning what, who do you believe should

Trevor:

pay for something like that?

Trevor:

I don't know, but if I was an employer and I had a guy who worked for me, I had a guy

Trevor:

who worked for me who wanted to take three months off because his wife gave birth.

Trevor:

I'd be like, what the f are you talking about, Mike?

Trevor:

Even to support his wife?

Trevor:

Give birth to support his wife while I pay him for free.

Trevor:

Do you understand that this is kind of, most people, when this happens, if

Trevor:

they make enough money, the wife will not work and the father will work.

Trevor:

Right.

Trevor:

And then the wife takes care of the child.

Trevor:

And this is normal.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

And then the dad provides support when he comes home.

Trevor:

If you're saying that the man and the woman should both get, like, three

Trevor:

months off, this is a new thing.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Right?

Trevor:

I mean, it's not new in Europe.

Trevor:

But it's We're not in Europe.

Trevor:

This is better.

Trevor:

This is America.

Trevor:

America!

Trevor:

Yeah, well,

Joe:

exactly.

Joe:

I, I, I disagree with him that America is better.

Trevor:

Ah, Liam's joined us in the chat room.

Trevor:

Hello, Liam.

Trevor:

You know, I just quickly typed in Joe Rogan.

Trevor:

It says Tanya joined us.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Hello.

Trevor:

Sorry.

Trevor:

Tanya as well.

Trevor:

I just quickly typed in Rogan to this transcript tool.

Trevor:

Joe, we're starting to just repeat ourselves after 400 episodes.

Trevor:

Here's what we said before.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Joe:

And even Joe, Joe Rogan was one of those, he had some really great people

Joe:

on and he had long format conversations where you could get deep into the weeds

Joe:

with some really interesting people.

Joe:

He also had some complete dickheads on, he would get into the weeds with them.

Joe:

And I think that...

Joe:

There you

Trevor:

go, Joe, you're

Joe:

consistent.

Trevor:

I am consistent.

Trevor:

Amazing.

Trevor:

Yeah, I just find that interesting.

Trevor:

Playing around with that.

Trevor:

Where are we up to?

Trevor:

That was Joe Rogan.

Trevor:

Look, episode 400.

Trevor:

Gotta thank the Patrons.

Trevor:

Couple of recent ones in particular.

Trevor:

From August 2023, Paige and also Damien Van Schneidel.

Trevor:

From 2022, we've got Danny Bull and Obrad Puskarica, Anti US

Trevor:

Sentiment and Mark Lavelle.

Trevor:

From 2021, we've still with us, Tom Stubbings, Rico, Greg P and Shannon Legg,

Trevor:

still with us from 2020 is Matt Dwyer, Sue Cripp, James, Leanne, Ranwyn Wayne,

Trevor:

David Hanby, Virgil, Craig Ball, Shane Ingram, which is, I think, is that Yam?

Trevor:

No.

Trevor:

And then Yam Yam Blue, who is in the chat room, Zambuck, David Copley

Trevor:

and Graham Hannigan, still with us.

Trevor:

From 2019 as regular patrons, John in Dire Straits, who's currently on a cruise

Trevor:

ship by the way, Tony Darko, Camille, Tom Dool and Paul Waper, Alexander,

Trevor:

Alan, Matthew, Craig S, Glenn Bell, Adam Priest, Murray Waper and Andy Dowling.

Trevor:

Still with us.

Trevor:

Who started in 2018?

Trevor:

Peter Gillespie.

Trevor:

Gavin Ss.

Trevor:

David Curtin.

Trevor:

Liam McMan, who's in the chat room.

Trevor:

Good on you.

Trevor:

Liam.

Trevor:

Dominic de Massey.

Trevor:

Madic man.

Trevor:

Ronwyn, who's often in the chat room.

Trevor:

Kain, Jimmy Spud, Tony Wall, and Steve Sins from 2017.

Trevor:

We've still got Allison who's there in the chat room, a Yame, Wao, and Craig and the

Trevor:

sole survivor who started with us in 2016.

Trevor:

Janelle Louise.

Trevor:

People who don't like to do it through Patreon, but have

Trevor:

done it through PayPal, Mr.

Trevor:

T, Anne Reid, Darren Giddens, Dave S from Cairns, and Noel Hamilton.

Trevor:

Thank you to all those people.

Trevor:

There are expenses with this podcast, dear listener.

Trevor:

The website, the mp3 hosting, this re stream service that I'm using,

Trevor:

Descript to get rid of ums and ahs, Crikey subscription, an RSS feed reader

Trevor:

that I subscribe to, the courier mail that I pay 10 bucks a month for, the

Trevor:

John Menendee blog, which is such a vital input into this podcast.

Trevor:

I send them my 15 bucks a month, something like that.

Trevor:

Caitlin Johnston and an economist called Michael Hudson.

Trevor:

So we do return some of that money to the most valuable.

Trevor:

Sort of, news outlets that we come across in the show notes, there

Trevor:

will be a link to a Twitter link talking about NATO provocation and

Trevor:

all of the people who said from Henry Kissinger downwards that what NATO's

Trevor:

doing is gonna provoke the Russians.

Trevor:

Not a good idea.

Trevor:

It's gonna cause war and huge number of people.

Trevor:

It's all there in a link.

Trevor:

I won't go through them again.

Trevor:

Cameron Leki is a guy I follow on Twitter.

Trevor:

He found this article from the ABC online.

Trevor:

The first part of it reads, Is Huawei's new phone proof China is

Trevor:

gaining ground in the chip wars?

Trevor:

Chinese state media has pointed to Huawei's new smartphone, blah, blah, blah.

Trevor:

Cameron Lickey makes the point.

Trevor:

This is an article by the ABC News, arguably also

Trevor:

state backed, sort of, media.

Trevor:

Mm hmm.

Trevor:

It all depends how you want to phrase things, isn't it?

Trevor:

Would the ABC refer to themselves as state backed media?

Trevor:

Well, are they a tabloid?

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

And, what else have we got?

Trevor:

Terrible stuff happening in Libya, Joe, where there was the same sort of rainstorm

Trevor:

that affected Greece ended up in Libya.

Trevor:

Massive amount of water, which then caused a dam to fall.

Trevor:

Yeah,

Joe:

apparently the Mediterranean is unusually warm, which led

Joe:

to effectively a cyclone.

Trevor:

Hmm.

Trevor:

Funny thing happens, dear listener, as you increase the air temperature,

Trevor:

the capacity of the air to hold moisture increases dramatically.

Trevor:

So warm temperatures lead to more moisture in the air, hence rainstorms beyond

Trevor:

previous experience and also snowfall.

Trevor:

Your previous experience because of that.

Trevor:

Do I want to go into it in this episode?

Trevor:

Yeah Another time I think.

Trevor:

After 400, I reckon I can cut this one short at 59 minutes Because it

Trevor:

doesn't really fit in but it's...

Trevor:

Shay

Joe:

is gonna end up in the shark tank

Trevor:

Yeah, we just can't talk about laser beams in the shark

Trevor:

tank because YouTube will then...

Trevor:

Well, there is that.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

So there we go That's a quick Episode 400, done and dusted.

Trevor:

400 down, I don't know how many to go.

Trevor:

I reckon good for another 100, at least.

Trevor:

Depends if I can keep the job I've got, which allows me

Trevor:

the time to do these things.

Trevor:

So, if you want to ensure, dear listener, that this podcast goes on

Trevor:

longer than that tell your friends.

Trevor:

It'd be good to have a few more people.

Trevor:

Only get about two.

Joe:

Trevor's retirement fund needs

Trevor:

a top up.

Trevor:

Exactly.

Trevor:

Because if I, if, if Joe, I end up in your position of losing the job and I

Trevor:

have to get a real one, there's no way I'll be able to do a podcast like this.

Trevor:

Just won't have the time.

Trevor:

It'd be impossible.

Trevor:

So, it's a really good conversion rate actually.

Trevor:

And about podcast is only about 250 downloads.

Trevor:

So to have 50 people contributing out of that is seriously high proportion.

Trevor:

So.

Trevor:

It just shows

Joe:

the value that you provide, Trevor.

Trevor:

That's right, and the calibre of listener that we have here.

Trevor:

So, tell your friends to listen to the podcast, and let's just

Trevor:

get it a little bit bigger so that if I do need to rely on this...

Trevor:

The problem is, Trevor...

Trevor:

You're

Joe:

not right leaning enough.

Joe:

That's true.

Joe:

If you were more right leaning, you'd have more rich listeners.

Joe:

That's exactly right.

Joe:

Donating silly

Trevor:

money.

Trevor:

Yeah, that is exactly right.

Trevor:

The money in these sorts of things is in the right wing sphere.

Trevor:

Absolutely.

Trevor:

That's why who's that idiot Dave Rubin.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Started off a bit of a lefty, just went increasingly right, right, right, because

Trevor:

that's where a paying audience developed.

Trevor:

Hmm.

Trevor:

There we go.

Trevor:

Well, I, as I mentioned, it's my daughter's birthday.

Trevor:

Hello to Lee at The Gap.

Trevor:

Yes, my daughter does not listen to this podcast.

Trevor:

She knows nothing about it, so I won't hold it against her.

Trevor:

I'll still cook her a birthday dinner.

Trevor:

And I don't think we'll be live streaming.

Trevor:

Well, we won't be live streaming next Tuesday.

Trevor:

I will have recorded something to put out and we'll do that.

Trevor:

Joe, you're in Australia for another four or five weeks, six or seven weeks?

Trevor:

I, I leave the second week of October.

Trevor:

Right.

Trevor:

So three, three, four weeks left.

Trevor:

Right.

Trevor:

And then it'll be haphazard as to whether...

Trevor:

You can get internet connection.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Ah, I reckon you'll be able to.

Trevor:

I'm making a prediction that you'll be with us more often than not.

Joe:

I, I think so.

Joe:

My audio will be on my headset so it won't be a shiny microphone because...

Joe:

That's going to be Hassel logging around and it'll be the

Joe:

laptop webcam, but it's not bad.

Trevor:

I'll talk to you off air about that.

Trevor:

All right.

Trevor:

OK, dear listener, thanks for tuning in for episode 400.

Trevor:

We'll be back next week.

Trevor:

Scott will definitely...

Trevor:

Have received his removalist will have arrived with the boxes, the

Trevor:

missing microphone will be there.

Trevor:

We'll talk to you then, bye for now.

Trevor:

And it's a good night from him.

Trevor:

Marty quit drinking, found religion for a while.

Trevor:

I didn't love that.

Trevor:

To be honest, I preferred him before, he had a sense of humor then.

Trevor:

Okay, number nine.

Trevor:

The man in the sky who controls everything decides if you go to

Trevor:

the good place or the bad place.

Trevor:

He also decides who lives and who dies.

Trevor:

Does he cause natural disasters?

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Did he cause my mom to get cancer?

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Did he cause that tree to land on my car last week?

Trevor:

Yep.

Trevor:

Did he kill my dad with that heart attack?

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

I say fuck the man that lives in

Trevor:

the

Trevor:

sky!

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