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Episode 385 - Recalcitrant Topics
In this episode we discuss a range of topics so equal and yet so diverse, they refuse to be pigeonholed into a simple podcast description.
(00:00) 385a
(00:43) Introduction
(02:05) My Week
(05:06) Dying With Dignity
(10:56) Lidia Thorpe
(13:57) Poll on Racism
(24:02) ABC and Murdoch Journalists
(33:34) Stan Grant ... again
(40:28) Tina Turner
(45:01) Sports Betting Advertising
(48:56) Submarines
(49:26) Scomo Memoir
(51:13) Private School Payroll Tax
(53:13) Ukraine Stuff
(01:08:49) Linda Hurley
(01:11:19) Rent Crisis
(01:22:18) ANC and Putin
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Suburban Eastern Australia.
Speaker:An environment that has over time evolved some extraordinarily
Speaker:unique groups of homo sapiens.
Speaker:But today we observe a small tribe akin to a group of mere cats that gather together
Speaker:a top, a small mound to watch question and discuss the current events of their city,
Speaker:their country, and their world at large.
Speaker:Let's listen keenly and observe this group fondly known as the
Speaker:Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.
Speaker:Hello and welcome to your listener.
Speaker:Yes, episode 385.
Speaker:Closing in on that 400 number.
Speaker:Anyway, this is a podcast.
Speaker:We talk about news and politics, sex and religion.
Speaker:And I of course, am Trevor, aka the I Fist with me as always
Speaker:from regional Queensland, the regional slum Lord himself.
Speaker:Scott.
Speaker:Scott, how are you?
Speaker:Not bad, thanks.
Speaker:Trevor.
Speaker:Goodday, Joe Goodday, Trevor Goodday listeners.
Speaker:How are you?
Speaker:Joe?
Speaker:The tech guy who's singlehandedly has Norfolk Island humming along
Speaker:on a wonderful broadband that's the pride of the town Evening.
Speaker:All right, so hello in the chat room to essential Lord Don and
Speaker:anyone else who manages to join in.
Speaker:We'll try and incorporate your comments as we talk about stuff, and we're
Speaker:gonna talk about various bits and pieces and stuff in this episode.
Speaker:And I can't find a theme for it.
Speaker:It's just a hotchpotch of different things.
Speaker:We'll make our way through it.
Speaker:See what see what happens.
Speaker:If you are listening through Apple Podcasts or a modern
Speaker:podcast app, you'll see chapters.
Speaker:So you can see the list of topics that we are going to talk about.
Speaker:You could skip some if you don't like the look of them, or you could repeat
Speaker:ones that you do like the look of.
Speaker:Anyway, have a look at the chapters.
Speaker:With a bit of luck, you'll also see some images of some of the graphs
Speaker:and other charts we might talk about.
Speaker:So before we get into the topics, I'll just I'll just reflect on a little
Speaker:personal experience, which I'm starting to do lately just down at at cooling GTA.
Speaker:And we went out in the morning and examined the water cuz I was
Speaker:about to do this ocean swim, which I'm becoming quite obsessed about.
Speaker:And feeding.
Speaker:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker:And while we were there there was a guy who'd just come in from the water and
Speaker:he was showering off and he's sitting down and it's a very friendly place.
Speaker:Cooling get us people just talked.
Speaker:We just started chatting to him.
Speaker:And how's your swim?
Speaker:Good.
Speaker:How's the water?
Speaker:Great.
Speaker:You know, telling him about how there's a creepy swim every
Speaker:morning, had a lovely conversation.
Speaker:He's telling how his kid is, is at a boarding school down the Gold Coast.
Speaker:That's why they're down.
Speaker:And he's originally from to Womba.
Speaker:That's an alarm bell.
Speaker:Should have sounded.
Speaker:Anyway, having a lovely chat and and thinking that's just a really nice guy.
Speaker:Good chat.
Speaker:And then he mentioned about how after he goes to church on Sunday morning,
Speaker:he does this other thing or whatever.
Speaker:Immediately I just felt, ugh, what a shame.
Speaker:Seemed like a nice guy.
Speaker:Just put a downer on the whole thing.
Speaker:And look, look, you need to remember Yeah.
Speaker:Love the religious, hate the religion.
Speaker:Yeah, I know.
Speaker:But it just sort of tells you something about somebody.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:In some people up in some ways it tells you that they've been indoctrinated.
Speaker:Probably before they had the age of choice.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And yeah.
Speaker:And coming from Toowoomba, where you hail from Scott.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:More than their share of Christian up there.
Speaker:Ners up there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:He may not have been nutter there.
Speaker:Certainly Christian.
Speaker:But anyway, anyway, it was just one of those things where it was like a
Speaker:conversation that had been really pleasant and it just, and that was all it took.
Speaker:That's where I'm at at this point in life when I make
Speaker:these discoveries about people.
Speaker:Imagine meeting a new colleague and you know, getting on with them
Speaker:fine and then finding out they were a young Earth creationist.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Well, imagine how he would've felt had he learned that I was one of
Speaker:the, a satanist, most satanist.
Speaker:No doubt.
Speaker:That would've been a shock to him.
Speaker:Probably.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Hello?
Speaker:In the chat room, Alison Romman.
Speaker:And Shay Shay's back as well.
Speaker:So Shay says, describing my life on Tinder there Trevor.
Speaker:I'm, I'm shocked.
Speaker:Shay, I thought you'd be on Christian Mingle.
Speaker:Yeah, this, this is the world we're in.
Speaker:So go on you Shay.
Speaker:Good to have you in the chat room.
Speaker:We were talking about you the other day.
Speaker:It's a potential mover and shaker in the world.
Speaker:Don't let us down, SHA, we're counting on you.
Speaker:Cause none of the rest of us will then issue.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Must be right.
Speaker:So yeah, that was my week.
Speaker:Now hodgepodge of different ideas.
Speaker:You know, often the things we talk about are quite depressing or
Speaker:could be seen as quite depressing.
Speaker:And I'm gonna tell a story about somebody's death and it's probably
Speaker:one of the more optimistic things that we'll talk about in tonight's episode.
Speaker:And this was from Joss Hall, who is the Dying with Dignity Queensland president.
Speaker:And she wrote.
Speaker:My dear friend Jillian died on Tuesday morning at 11:20 AM the nurse inserted
Speaker:the needle into the porter cath that had been used to deliver Jillian's
Speaker:chemotherapy and slowly started injecting the voluntary assisted dying substance.
Speaker:After about 30 seconds, Jillian smiled and gave a little goodbye wave.
Speaker:A few seconds later, her head lulled backwards and her eyes closed.
Speaker:The nurse continued injecting the substance.
Speaker:A few minutes after she finished the injection, she listened for
Speaker:Jillian's heartbeat and checked her pupils and said Jillian had gone
Speaker:after 48 years working as a nurse.
Speaker:I have seen many people die, but I have never seen anyone die like that.
Speaker:Losing consciousness, seconds after smiling and waving goodbye.
Speaker:It was the best death I have ever seen.
Speaker:This is how death should be.
Speaker:It was really quite powerful and I really.
Speaker:Moving moment that would've been, I didn't think they were allowed to use injections.
Speaker:You can, but they've gotta be a I can't remember the exact wording of it,
Speaker:but deep Throat did explain it to me that you do have the option of if you
Speaker:can't swallow or something like that.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Then they do have their, they do have the option that they can inject you.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Right, because I thought the whole point was that no medical staff
Speaker:were involved beyond prescribing it.
Speaker:Yes, exactly.
Speaker:That, that, that was the whole point.
Speaker:That was why it was voluntary assisted dying.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:But they did actually get it into the, into the Queensland legislation
Speaker:that said that if you cannot swallow, then you can actually get injected.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:It makes Queensland's laws the most liberal with a small L in the country.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:It doesn't say whether that happened in Queensland.
Speaker:I assume it did, but one would've thought so.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But anyway, sounds like a good way to go, I reckon.
Speaker:So on your own terms and doing it like that would've been a good way to go.
Speaker:So that's one of the positive bits of news of the last few years where some sort of
Speaker:progressive liberal reform has actually got through despite all the objections.
Speaker:So, well done to dying with Dignity again, for the, for the,
Speaker:the effort over the decades.
Speaker:The children by choice though, are saying that abortion might be legal, but it's
Speaker:still very, very difficult to get anywhere regional and on the public system.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:It's virtually impossible to have it done on the public per purse.
Speaker:You know, you've gotta basically pay for it if you want it done.
Speaker:So they do have all sorts of costs and that sort of stuff mm-hmm.
Speaker:That get shotted out every time there's a podcast on it.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Seems increasingly difficult for people to fall pregnant too.
Speaker:Like you just hear so many stories of lows, sperm counts, and other
Speaker:medical issues, and people leaving it till their thirties or later.
Speaker:It's just sort of infertility is an increasing problem.
Speaker:So, yeah.
Speaker:I mean, they're saying male sperm numbers have dropped over the
Speaker:last 50 years quite drastically.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Brian pointed that out to me the other day and we were trying
Speaker:to hypothesize why it happened.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:You know?
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:We couldn't work it out.
Speaker:I haven't seen anything that, but I haven't gone looking.
Speaker:I suspect plastics and other.
Speaker:Things in our food preservatives.
Speaker:Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker:Plasticizers would definitely, so not so much the plastic itself,
Speaker:but the stuff that makes it soft.
Speaker:Plasticizers.
Speaker:Ah-huh.
Speaker:And other what they call forever chemicals.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:So that was dying with dignity and look, we can't escape racism discussions
Speaker:indigenous issues, Stan Grant ly Thorpe, all the usual characters.
Speaker:So we'll dip our toes into those topics a little bit now.
Speaker:Oh, hello.
Speaker:In the chat room as well, Andrew and Anne, and I think I mentioned Broman
Speaker:before, Bronn says in Victoria we're about to have a review of our VAD
Speaker:legislation and how it has been working, which is probably not before time
Speaker:because it's, I think Victoria was the first state that had it, wasn't it?
Speaker:One of the first, I think, or I think New South Wales tried but couldn't get it up.
Speaker:Might've been South Australia.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Getting to that age.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I do remember how dying with Dignity Queensland, who had a lot
Speaker:of money from the Clem Jones estate.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Used the money in other states because they figured it would
Speaker:help to get legislation passed in other states first, cuz Queensland
Speaker:was never gonna be the first.
Speaker:So they were, and I thought South Australia, south Australia was one of
Speaker:the states that they concentrated on in helping to pass legislation so as to get
Speaker:the ball rolling and make it easier for Queensland to just copy at a later stage.
Speaker:I think it was one of the first states that debated it, but I
Speaker:don't believe it was the first state that actually implemented.
Speaker:I believe Victoria was the first one to implement it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Can't remember.
Speaker:But anyway, yes, but not territory.
Speaker:No territories have only just been given the right to legislative
Speaker:Well, but Northern Territory had out in the eighties, didn't they?
Speaker:They had it in the nineties.
Speaker:Yeah, it was the nineties.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Alright, act to racism, which we really wanna get into.
Speaker:Again.
Speaker:Lady Thorpe, one of your favorites, Scott.
Speaker:Oh, no, she's an idiot.
Speaker:She's now independent, former green senator.
Speaker:She's suing the greens.
Speaker:She's accused the greens of racism and will lodge a case with the
Speaker:Australian Human Rights Commission.
Speaker:This was an article in the aap.
Speaker:It didn't exactly say specifically what she was claiming was the racism
Speaker:that she had been subjected to.
Speaker:She says I've experienced racism all my life in every workplace,
Speaker:and the greens were no different.
Speaker:Last week she claimed ex-colleague, green Senator Sarah Hansen Young,
Speaker:failed to stand up to racism in the party, directed towards her and.
Speaker:Senator Hanson Young rejected the accusation.
Speaker:So, a bit further on the article that he thought makes the point that she's not
Speaker:sure what she's doing with the referendum.
Speaker:She doesn't wanna support it cuz it gives no power.
Speaker:We want real power.
Speaker:We want to acknowledge as sovereign, we want to be acknowledged as
Speaker:sovereigns in this country.
Speaker:Just as the crown is acknowledged as a sovereign.
Speaker:So she wants more, she's accusing the greens of racism.
Speaker:Wonder what will happen there with the actual accusation of racism.
Speaker:Can I just say something just potentially a little bit controversial about living?
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Provide, it's not defamatory.
Speaker:You can say whatever you like, Scott.
Speaker:It's not defamatory.
Speaker:I just think to myself, is she just a little bit like a hammer
Speaker:that sees everything as a nail?
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:You know, is she actually looking for racism?
Speaker:What does, there's also.
Speaker:I, I wonder there've been some very, very publicly reported outbursts
Speaker:and you wonder, is she losing the plot or is this just the reporting?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Are, are they blowing something that is perfectly normal out of context?
Speaker:Blowing it up?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's a good point.
Speaker:Or, or is she really just spoiling for a fight and finding
Speaker:a fight wherever she can?
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:It could be selective reporting.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Who knows?
Speaker:No, exactly.
Speaker:It's a problem.
Speaker:We ne we dunno where the truth lies on so many things.
Speaker:We can only just have a Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:The way she's been reported, it certainly looks like she's a little bit unhinged.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:That's the impression from the reporting, but yeah, you can't be certain of that.
Speaker:I was gonna say, having seen reporting and the, the misrepresentation in the press.
Speaker:It's always at the back of my mind, you know, is this what they're really like?
Speaker:Or are we painting a monster because that's what we want?
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Anyway in the chat room Alison says Victoria was the first state to
Speaker:introduce voluntary sister dying.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:Yes, I thought it was.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:Alright, well, on the topic of racism in Australia, the essential poll came out.
Speaker:So I'm just gonna share the screen that I've got here, which
Speaker:might be a bit difficult to see if you're on the tiny phone.
Speaker:But so polling people about racism in Australia, and the question
Speaker:was to what extent do you agree or disagree with the following
Speaker:statements about racism in Australia?
Speaker:And the first one was, people are scared to say what they really think because
Speaker:they don't want to be labeled as racist.
Speaker:And please explain 67% of people.
Speaker:Would agree with that statement.
Speaker:I think Australia is less racist than it has been in the past.
Speaker:50% agree with that.
Speaker:Australia is a racist country.
Speaker:41% agree with that.
Speaker:A member of my family has experienced racism or racial discrimination.
Speaker:32% of Australians say that I have personally experienced
Speaker:racism or racial discrimination.
Speaker:31% agree with that and I feel torn between my identity with
Speaker:Australia and another culture.
Speaker:19%.
Speaker:Scott or Joe, have you ever experienced racism or racial discrimination?
Speaker:No, I never have Joe.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But then, but you're possibly asking the wrong people because Well, exactly.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:By looking at us both, you can tell that we are both.
Speaker:Can't tell by looking at people.
Speaker:Scott, why, why shouldn't a white country?
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:All I having said that yeah, my, my grandfather was a Jew.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:It's possible to get antisemitism.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:The only actually I have experienced racism and that was
Speaker:in North Africa where I was, yeah.
Speaker:I was given additional screening coming into Tunisia
Speaker:on my Jewish anti antecedents.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Really?
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:I remember on, I did that interview for that Russian television.
Speaker:Was that Russia Today or whatever, rt?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And in the comments section, they thought I was Jewish and had a big nose.
Speaker:Does that count?
Speaker:I can also remember when I was about 18 and I was at the the Victoria
Speaker:Bridge in Brisbane and there was an in.
Speaker:Indigenous street March.
Speaker:And this indigenous woman was yelling at me, calling me or white
Speaker:so and so saying, she just I was just standing on the footpath, watch
Speaker:him go by and, and got insulted.
Speaker:I guess that probably counts, but not genuine.
Speaker:I found being in, when I was in New York and we were staying in Harlem, and that
Speaker:was a good experience because we were the minority as white people wandering around
Speaker:in Harlem, so we stood out as different.
Speaker:So that was a good experience to have.
Speaker:I, I, I was gonna say a lot of the Asian cultures are very racist.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:But, but again, generally the white people get a free pass.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:It tends to be racist towards other.
Speaker:Dark-skinned people.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And even in Africa I know that there's problems with the Indian migrant
Speaker:communities that were brought in under British colonial rule mm-hmm.
Speaker:And tend to be the merchant class.
Speaker:And there's a lot of racism because of that.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:You know, the, the blacks against the browns effectively.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:There's, I I was gonna say, I, I think the European or the Western cultures
Speaker:are a lot less overtly racist than other than, than other cultures and
Speaker:certainly than we have been in the past.
Speaker:price for all of her faults.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Particularly on economics.
Speaker:She tells us cuz she is married to a white man or is a white partner.
Speaker:And she's often quoted as saying that her husband has experienced more racism
Speaker:than she has when he walks around the streets of Alice Springs being called
Speaker:a white so-and-so by indigenous people.
Speaker:And another friend of ours was a white nurse who did some work in
Speaker:Mount Heiser and came home language warning, dear listener, came home and
Speaker:said to her mother mom, why didn't you tell me I'm a stupid white cunt?
Speaker:And she said, what do you mean?
Speaker:She said, well, that's what the indigenous people tell me in the
Speaker:hospital as I'm trying to help them out.
Speaker:So suffered enormous racial insults as a nurse in Manai Hospital trying
Speaker:to help indigenous people out.
Speaker:So anyway, yeah, I think the statistics, I think anybody who is felt as another,
Speaker:as an outsider is gonna get some form of.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Different treatment.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Julia in the chat room says, I was subjected to racism when I lived in Japan.
Speaker:Sometimes some restaurants just ignored me if I was there with
Speaker:Western friends and served Japanese customers who came in afterwards.
Speaker:But generally they were favorably disposed to me, which I didn't really want either.
Speaker:So, got some negative and some unwanted positive as well.
Speaker:So you, you know that in Japan you cannot become a naturalized
Speaker:Japanese citizen, and if you have a child with a Japanese citizen, the
Speaker:child is automatically Japanese.
Speaker:And as far as Japanese law is concerned, parents have a hundred percent
Speaker:rights to the child if you divorce.
Speaker:Say that again.
Speaker:I don't, I didn't understand that.
Speaker:Say that again.
Speaker:So, so if you have a child with someone a partner who is Japanese Yes.
Speaker:And you end up getting divorced Yes.
Speaker:Under Japanese law.
Speaker:They get a hundred percent custody.
Speaker:Oh, the Japanese, okay.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Because the child is automatically Japanese compared to the non-Japanese.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, so there are some very weird racist laws in some parts of the world.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Japan won't actually accept anyone that doesn't have Japanese
Speaker:doesn't understand Julia.
Speaker:Julia is saying you can become a naturalized citizen.
Speaker:A finished guy did and became a local counselor.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Then it must be very, very difficult.
Speaker:My understanding was it, it wasn't a, a possible thing.
Speaker:So maybe it's just very difficult.
Speaker:Julia's Yeah.
Speaker:Japanese expert.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And she's saying she knows another woman who became a Japanese citizen.
Speaker:Good to have you on the chat there.
Speaker:Julia, you've chimed in at the right time, haven't you?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Hello to Alison's mother as well.
Speaker:Beverly, I think.
Speaker:Be aye.
Speaker:Yes, Bev.
Speaker:Good.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So, no real surprises with those statistics.
Speaker:I mean, when it says I have personally experienced racism or
Speaker:racial discrimination, 31% of people agree with or say that's the case.
Speaker:Just breaking it down by, I mean, it, it it's gone up by 4% since 2019.
Speaker:September 19.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So they did the same poll four years ago, and there's been an
Speaker:increase by 4% of people who have personally experienced racism.
Speaker:Also, you know, to the question, Australia is a racist country,
Speaker:currently 41% think so, but four years ago, only 36% thought so.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Just, I, I know they have these split up by gender and stuff like that.
Speaker:Gender, there wasn't much difference.
Speaker:Or pretty much.
Speaker:Male and female.
Speaker:Very similar responses to all those questions.
Speaker:Age was the one where older people were more likely to say, people are scared
Speaker:to say what they really think because they don't wanna be labeled as a racist.
Speaker:So 78% of 55 year and older people thought that and they were also the old
Speaker:ones were the least likely to be torn between their identity with Australia
Speaker:and other culture and voting intention.
Speaker:Are there any surprises here?
Speaker:So the question, people are scared to say what they really think cuz they
Speaker:don't wanna be labeled as racist.
Speaker:If you were gonna vote independent or other party,
Speaker:88% of people agreed with that.
Speaker:That's gotta be your Pauline Hansen's type in there.
Speaker:And although she wasn't afraid to say what she thought, no, it's.
Speaker:Australia's a racist country, greens voters, 61% would agree with that.
Speaker:But of the coalition, only 28% would agree with that.
Speaker:You have to wonder of the greens voters, how many have actually
Speaker:traveled outside of the country
Speaker:where they would've been potentially facing discrimination?
Speaker:Is that what you mean?
Speaker:Or compared to other countries?
Speaker:I was gonna say, compared to other countries, what the level of racism is.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Like I said, I, I had had an Indian colleague I was talking to about this
Speaker:and he said Australia by international standards is not a racist country.
Speaker:Yes, it's not perfect, but there are considerably worse places.
Speaker:Depends how people read the question, because yeah, you
Speaker:could find racism anywhere.
Speaker:Yes, you could find something in Antarctica amongst some
Speaker:scientists there for sure.
Speaker:But it's, you know, You would read the question as saying, is it relatively
Speaker:more racist than normal, I guess?
Speaker:Or I don't know.
Speaker:How do people read that question is the other thing.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, yeah, I mean, is it, is there any racism or is it
Speaker:worse than other countries?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Or is it worse than an acceptable level?
Speaker:Should be possible.
Speaker:Who knows how people read it?
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Anyway that was essential poll on racism.
Speaker:We've got more from essential poll on other stuff coming up.
Speaker:Um Right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Sarah Hansen.
Speaker:So back to Sarah Hansen Young.
Speaker:So she was accused by Lydia Thorpe of not supporting her in terms
Speaker:of the racism that she'd faced.
Speaker:So while on the topic of Sarah Hansen Young, she was at some
Speaker:senate committee hearing.
Speaker:Where they were talking to ABC Management and she was grilling the ABC management
Speaker:about why the ABC management is so accommodating to News Corp journalists.
Speaker:So, let's play a little bit of what she had to say.
Speaker:From where I sit, news Corporation have been attacking the ABC for years.
Speaker:Wait on Yeah, I can hear it.
Speaker:Did you hear that?
Speaker:I couldn't hear that for some reason.
Speaker:And let me just change something, which might be why I didn't hear it
Speaker:and I need to hear it, obviously.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Let me just change this.
Speaker:It's on my own personal computer, so now hopefully I'll hear it as well
Speaker:as everyone, it's a basic sport for them, beat up on the public broadcaster
Speaker:and they have a, they have a track record of going after individuals.
Speaker:They've done it to women, they've done it to women of color, they've
Speaker:done it to First Nations people.
Speaker:They go after them.
Speaker:They whip up the frenzy of haters, and then they sit back and
Speaker:watch good people be torn down.
Speaker:And you can't sit here today and tell me that you haven't seen
Speaker:that pattern happen until now.
Speaker:Surely this is not new.
Speaker:So, a few things, Senator.
Speaker:The first is the Murdoch family in the ABC have had an interesting
Speaker:relationship since the 1930s.
Speaker:So there's nothing new there.
Speaker:Secondly, the, the coverage of the ABC and the criticism of the ABC's
Speaker:coverage was not limited to News Corp.
Speaker:Nine.
Speaker:And other publishers were very critical as well.
Speaker:Do we see.
Speaker:The nine newspapers trolling through abc journalists, social media feeds.
Speaker:I, I'm not sure why does the ABC continue to provide a platform for representatives
Speaker:from News Corporation when they, so clearly as a corporate entity have such
Speaker:disdain for the public broadcaster?
Speaker:There are some good journalists at News Corp.
Speaker:You, you, we've, we've got good journalists in our ranks
Speaker:that have come from News Corp.
Speaker:You know, I get there's a valid question as to, as to would we think about it,
Speaker:but there are some, some journals that we do want to hi, pull onto, whether
Speaker:it's insiders or whether we have q and a whether it's the Drum for, for we
Speaker:are seeking their view and perspective.
Speaker:This Benjamin at ABC is completely out of touch, I think.
Speaker:And I think the producers of those programs who are employed
Speaker:to line up panelists who will be interesting, are just lazy and they
Speaker:just reach for the same Rolodex.
Speaker:Look, I, I think they're scared and they're, they're unwilling to
Speaker:admit that they're scared of getting lambasted in the murder press.
Speaker:You get lambasted anyway.
Speaker:Well, exactly.
Speaker:They're not gonna hold back like what she was saying.
Speaker:She was just saying that they that they make a sport out of it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And you know, the number of times Greg Sheridan gets trotted out onto
Speaker:these programs and it's, you know, he has nothing interesting to say.
Speaker:He's got two answers to everything.
Speaker:It's either submarines or it's God.
Speaker:And, and that's it for Greg Sheridan.
Speaker:That's his solutions to everything.
Speaker:It's, he's he gets trotted out.
Speaker:I think a lot of these producers are just lazy and just reach for the same old ones.
Speaker:There's all sorts of really interesting people.
Speaker:For example, any number of the writers in the John UE blog who I read all the time
Speaker:would be far more interesting than these Murdoch hacks that they keep bringing out.
Speaker:That well, it's like that bloke you're talking about from Crikey before,
Speaker:if they actually, if they actually rolled him out every now and again.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Guy Ru.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Some interesting people.
Speaker:There is lots of interesting people out there in Australia, and you don't
Speaker:have to keep dipping into the Murdoch.
Speaker:Well, for a panelist just.
Speaker:Use some energy and, you know, you'll improve your show.
Speaker:But I think they're just, they're lazy.
Speaker:Just harking back just the thing about the adoption thing Julia, our Japanese
Speaker:expert, said, it's, it's not common.
Speaker:You are not wrong about child custody.
Speaker:It's horrible and wrong.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:So some confirmation of mm-hmm.
Speaker:Of that, of that one.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So the, it's not Coleman is about becoming Japanese citizen.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So there we go.
Speaker:So good on Sarah Hansen Young for sticking it to the ABC management,
Speaker:just based on their response.
Speaker:Can't see much changing.
Speaker:I've given up on the abc.
Speaker:It's really, what can you watch?
Speaker:Not much.
Speaker:Ah, okay.
Speaker:Now maybe Broman can help us, our Victorian expert.
Speaker:Ramen as I got from this article here bangerang and we were a jury woman.
Speaker:Auntie Geraldine Atkinson cast her vote on the opening day of voting
Speaker:for the second iteration of the First People's assembly of Victoria.
Speaker:So the inaugural co-chair of the assembly spoke of her pride in being involved in
Speaker:a democratic process that allowed the original peoples of Victoria to have a say
Speaker:on policies that directly impacted them.
Speaker:I'm actually not up to date on what that assembly is.
Speaker:She's quoted as saying Aboriginal people are the experts on our own lives.
Speaker:We know what we need to create a better future for our people.
Speaker:That's a very common sentiment that I see in these things.
Speaker:I was gonna say, they're claiming special knowledge, aren't they?
Speaker:Aboriginal people are the experts on our own lives.
Speaker:White people are the experts on white people's lives.
Speaker:Does that, does that ring true mentally ill People are the experts
Speaker:on mentally ill people's lives.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:We know what we need to create a better future for our people.
Speaker:Why?
Speaker:People know what, why people need to create a better future for our people.
Speaker:Does that, does that make sense?
Speaker:Does that sound right?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Swap out words, put others in.
Speaker:Do they still make sense?
Speaker:Do they still ring true?
Speaker:Maybe not.
Speaker:It's, it's that sort of sentiment that is just dangerous.
Speaker:Wrong, anyway.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean it's, it's like the, as a mother I know mm-hmm.
Speaker:Dismissing, dismissing the opinion of pediatricians.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Or as a Christian, I know what true love is.
Speaker:Well, possibly that too.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Ah, okay.
Speaker:Stan Grant gave Stan a bit of a hard time Bronwyn saying that we should.
Speaker:Consult with them, and I, I don't disagree.
Speaker:We should consult with them, but that doesn't necessarily
Speaker:mean they're the experts.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:We've had that.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:It's not about consultation.
Speaker:It's the notion that we know what's best for our people.
Speaker:Yes, yes.
Speaker:Because what our people want is always the same as well.
Speaker:And then our people would all want the same thing.
Speaker:This has been a problem in the UK where Islamic bodies have been
Speaker:consulted on the Islamic community.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And the most vocal people have been those who say, oh, well, you know, we should
Speaker:have areas that don't have any alcohol.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And there are Muslims who drink.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And they're saying, we feel excluded.
Speaker:We don't feel included in this process.
Speaker:And who are these unelected spokespeople?
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Bronwin, you can ask.
Speaker:It's not about not consulting, but it's the notion that that people, that
Speaker:they know best the same and that like, do the people who voted for Scott
Speaker:Morrison at the last election really know what they're doing when it comes
Speaker:to the best thing for this country?
Speaker:You know, people make mistakes about what they think is best for themselves and
Speaker:for others, and they think differently.
Speaker:They don't all think the same.
Speaker:This is the notion that I'm trying to get through as being apparent to me.
Speaker:I'm not saying don't consult, but consultation doesn't mean
Speaker:except everything everybody says as being correct, because
Speaker:it's not necessarily the case.
Speaker:It's like, I tend to agree with what Bronwyn's saying.
Speaker:I think we've got, you know, I don't have a problem with
Speaker:consultation, so I'm exactly same.
Speaker:Neither do I, but that's not what we're talking about.
Speaker:No, we're not saying don't consult.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So I, I agree.
Speaker:We're at cross purposes here.
Speaker:So, alright.
Speaker:Stan Grant so we bagged him a bit last week and there were some positive
Speaker:statements said about Stan Grant.
Speaker:So I thought I would balance things up a little bit.
Speaker:And here's one article from the John Mandu block, just to even things up.
Speaker:This guy says, I have enormous respect for Stan Grant, always intelligent,
Speaker:thoughtful, and provocative.
Speaker:He has been an important contributor to intellectual life in Australia.
Speaker:His strength has been to move discussions on from the sterile econo,
Speaker:economic economics, and superficial secularism that characterizes so
Speaker:much of our national dialogue.
Speaker:To the deeper philosophical and spiritual issues underpinning Australian culture.
Speaker:And I'm reading this and I'm going, Crikey, this is a very pro Stan Green
Speaker:article, and it went on about the reference that Stan made to Bajai and
Speaker:God and, and how you've gotta be careful we shouldn't immediately slip into
Speaker:western theological equivalence for complex aboriginal words and concepts,
Speaker:blah, blah, blah, red on, on and on.
Speaker:And and then I realized who wrote this?
Speaker:Oh, it's Paul Collins, a historian, broadcaster and writer, and a
Speaker:Catholic priest for 33 years.
Speaker:So that kind of explained his pro Stan stance, particularly when it
Speaker:came to the spirituality side of Stan.
Speaker:Another one we wrote in favor of Dan was Helen Swell, a Walkley, Logies and
Speaker:human rights award-winning journalist and a founder of the ABC alumni.
Speaker:She describes Stan, his eloquent and deeply moving farewell comments
Speaker:at the end of Monday's q and a.
Speaker:Were typical of his depth and the deep humanity that drives him.
Speaker:I didn't think it was deep at all.
Speaker:Anyway, couple of negative well they were positive, but then there was a great
Speaker:article I thought in Crikey, which was by Guy Ruddell and I quite like Guy Ruddell
Speaker:when he writes on different things.
Speaker:He's got a good turn of phrase and he wrote an article which was negative
Speaker:and sort of dismissive of Stan Grant.
Speaker:And as you would think, Crikey is kind of a left, left wing ish.
Speaker:Sort of publication and reading through the comments.
Speaker:And there were a lot nearly all basically agreeing with Guy Ruddell and
Speaker:the sentiment of what he was saying.
Speaker:And so a bit of a flavor of what Guy Ruddell was saying on Stan Grant.
Speaker:Were you to write a satire of our current situation, it
Speaker:might go something like this.
Speaker:A leading journalist and presenter who made his career as a pioneer of tabloid
Speaker:TV that went after Doll Bludgers, single mothers, et cetera, reinvents
Speaker:himself as an upmarket presence.
Speaker:Though he has never d denied, though he has never denied
Speaker:his First Nation's heritage.
Speaker:As he makes the media market transition, it becomes a more
Speaker:prominent part of his public identity and of his output, increasingly
Speaker:the performance of his own pain.
Speaker:The country's racist history becomes a focus for the national
Speaker:discussion of where we should go.
Speaker:When as a de facto leader of this process, he's attacked by his
Speaker:opponents on a reactionary spike slum TV station with 30,000 viewers.
Speaker:He quits a public network with millions of viewers denouncing the entire
Speaker:organization at his last appearance, a show designed to hear from a range of
Speaker:viewpoints by Australian opinion makers and the public is reorganized so that
Speaker:he can make a final performance of his agon, at which he announces that it is not
Speaker:racism at all, but the media in general.
Speaker:And he himself to blame, for which he gets a standing sustained ovation.
Speaker:Have I missed anything?
Speaker:He says, look, Stan Graham is clearly not a bad guy, but he's been a TV presenter
Speaker:for decades and inevitably he has a touch of narcissism, which is to, on-air
Speaker:types, what black lung is to coal miners.
Speaker:You're just going to get it sooner or later, so you may as well plan for it.
Speaker:See, that's the turn of phrase that's worth reading and looking for.
Speaker:Love that turn of phrase, eh?
Speaker:Ah, see, I just think that if he turned up on q and a mm-hmm.
Speaker:Not all the time, but every six months or something like that, that would
Speaker:give it a, a real shot in the arm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Just quickly, I've looked in the chat room.
Speaker:Shalene says, excuse me, Trevor, you've liked some of the stuff Stan wrote.
Speaker:I have, but I've also said he's over time, said he's very consistent, inconsistent.
Speaker:So he did write some stuff occasionally that I did agree with
Speaker:saying that just goes to show I don't have it against Stan himself.
Speaker:He actually comes up with a good idea.
Speaker:I'm all for him, but he's very inconsistent.
Speaker:We've quoted oh, I'm just trying to think.
Speaker:Some really bad people have been quoted in the past on here.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Because sometimes they're right.
Speaker:Well, Scott's got the saying a stopped clock is correct twice a day.
Speaker:Tell me that one, Scott.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, so yeah, Stan Grant has occasionally come out with stuff in this article.
Speaker:Goes on a bit with that flavor.
Speaker:I won't read it all.
Speaker:It's in the show notes for people who are interested.
Speaker:But I will like read the last concluding paragraph here or towards the end.
Speaker:While all this goes on, the 70% or so of non-indigenous Australians outside the
Speaker:now utterly self-serving, self-involved knowledge class watch in amazement some
Speaker:wish black people well most can see that there are wrongs to be righted.
Speaker:Some are indifferent, but almost none caught in the daily struggle
Speaker:of rising families making a living.
Speaker:Dealing with rising costs, squeezing wages, housing shortages, strained
Speaker:healthcare system, inadequate childcare aged relatives without a real state
Speaker:system of care and much more see this issue as absorbing or crucial
Speaker:to their life on this continent in the way that the elites within the
Speaker:knowledge class have made it to be.
Speaker:So that was the Guy Rundel version of that.
Speaker:So, so there we go on.
Speaker:Stan Grant probably had enough of Stan, I think.
Speaker:What are they saying in the chat room?
Speaker:You guys are going off this time, which is good.
Speaker:Comparisons with Guy Rondo and Hitchins Hitchins is, what's the comparison?
Speaker:Well, it was a esque, Turner Freeze was the Ah, okay.
Speaker:Comment.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:It was, yeah.
Speaker:Scott, Tina Turner passed away.
Speaker:Yes, she did.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And apparently Australia.
Speaker:Australia honored her by doing the city limits.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Popular one.
Speaker:There was a program on Sunday night, channel nine.
Speaker:It was like a movie of her life type thing.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And I was, I got about halfway through it.
Speaker:I rarely watched, watched commercial tv and the ad breaks were incessant.
Speaker:And so I started counting the ads and the ad breaks on Channel nine
Speaker:during the Tina Turner thing, had 16 different ads in an ad, in one ad break.
Speaker:And this was happening in, in the past, I've noticed the first, the first half
Speaker:an hour you might get an ad break.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:But as you get further and further, as you get more and more involved in a
Speaker:program, the more ads they throw at you.
Speaker:Yes, that's right.
Speaker:And they seem to be able to present an average when they
Speaker:need to say how much they do.
Speaker:But you're right, I just couldn't watch it in the end.
Speaker:And just why I don't watch any sort of mainstream TV anymore.
Speaker:Can't watch the abc and, and based on that ad load, it was horrendous.
Speaker:Couldn't, I couldn't f I was quite enjoying the show, but it was so dominated
Speaker:by ads, I couldn't stand anymore.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Anyway, one of the things in there was she was married to Ike.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And he, she was a victim of abuse, physical abuse from him.
Speaker:Mental and physical, I guess, and eventually split up with him.
Speaker:And she wrote a book hoping that it would just cuz she was always getting
Speaker:asked in interviews about Ike and how she broke away from him and blah, blah.
Speaker:She thought, I'll write a book.
Speaker:I'll tell the whole story, then people will stop talking about it.
Speaker:She wrote the book.
Speaker:Then people just wanted to keep asking about it and asking about it.
Speaker:And she just got exasperated where she was like, I don't want to be identified
Speaker:by him and what happened to me.
Speaker:I want to move on and talk about what I'm going to do in the future,
Speaker:not what happened to me in the past.
Speaker:And there's something in that for everybody, I have to say.
Speaker:Growing up in the eighties after all that happened, I really wasn't aware of it.
Speaker:You were aware of Tina Turner as.
Speaker:The whole light turner thing.
Speaker:I, I just knew Tina Turner as Tina Turner, you know?
Speaker:Welcome to the, no, the, the Mad Max four, I think.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Beyond the Thunderdome, something like that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Because you knew her when she sort of reignited her career basically.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Because of your age.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And so the, the whole Ike Turner thing, just, I, I became vaguely
Speaker:aware of it later, but certainly at the time there was nothing about it.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:See, I only just learned about Ike Turner probably in the last 12 months.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:You know, I just started to research some of the celebrities of old, you
Speaker:know, and I thought to myself, okay, I'll look into Tina Turner next.
Speaker:That's when I found out about OC Turner, and I thought to myself, what a prick.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Joe Jackson's another one.
Speaker:Joe Jackson, he bashed his wife.
Speaker:Did he?
Speaker:Mike Michael Jackson.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The Jackson five.
Speaker:The father.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:The father, the heirs.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:He was apparently real prick.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Bunch of them.
Speaker:Shane in the chat room says, you must be the pits to watch TV with referring to me.
Speaker:See, I don't have that problem with commercials because I watch
Speaker:everything streamed, you know?
Speaker:And the only thing that I ever do have to put up with commercials on is when
Speaker:I watch something on sbs, you know?
Speaker:And I actually, I watch that.
Speaker:Strange, because you can't fast forward the commercials there.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Here we go.
Speaker:Brahman says, watch the commercial streaming services instead.
Speaker:They still have ads, but fewer of them.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah, I can understand that.
Speaker:You know, if, if you're watching the nine go, is it yes.
Speaker:Something like that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Now one of the things that sort of Tina Turner was famous for
Speaker:in Australia was with the n l.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And simply the best.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Great.
Speaker:Sort of clips of, of hunky footballers running up and down
Speaker:Sandhills and Tina Turner dts Yes.
Speaker:All that sort of stuff, which is a little segue to the other thing in this report
Speaker:from, oh, this poll by Essential, which was about sports betting advertising.
Speaker:And the question that has come up is, which of the following is closest to
Speaker:your view on sport betting advertising?
Speaker:So, it should be allowed at all times, even during sporting events should be
Speaker:allowed, but not during sporting events.
Speaker:Sports betting advertising should be banned all together and unsure.
Speaker:These were the possible responses people were given.
Speaker:And overall 16% of Australians said sports betting advertising
Speaker:should be allowed at all times.
Speaker:26% said not during the events and 43% should said it
Speaker:should be banned all together.
Speaker:That seemed to me a high percentage willing to ban it, which was
Speaker:quite pleasing to me cuz I'd be happy to see it banned.
Speaker:I think it's unhealthy for our community to have it there.
Speaker:Well, I agree with you.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Joe, any thoughts on sports betting you pray for?
Speaker:I, I think that there are a lot of problem gamblers in this country.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And the level of gambling, I believe, although it tends to be more pokies
Speaker:than sports is amongst the highest, if not the highest in the world.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Certainly the pey one would be amongst the older generation and the.
Speaker:Sports betting would be amongst the younger generation.
Speaker:But, but yeah, I, I have no problem with the government banning advertising
Speaker:like they have with tobacco.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:That's how I see it.
Speaker:Looking at that statistics broken up by gender, not a great deal of difference.
Speaker:Females more likely to want it banned, but also females more likely to be unsure.
Speaker:The age is an interesting one.
Speaker:Older demographic, older people.
Speaker:If in the 55 plus category, 56% want it banned altogether.
Speaker:And, but in the 18 to 34%, only 28% feel the same way.
Speaker:I, I wonder whether the older people are seeing it more on television
Speaker:whereas younger, Generations don't consume their media in the same way.
Speaker:So are they as affected?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But the younger people would be having to watch the N R L match either on nine
Speaker:or Fox, the same as the older people.
Speaker:And, and, and is, is it direct advertising or is it just around the, the banners
Speaker:around the field that they're seeing?
Speaker:Yeah, it didn't say in this poll.
Speaker:That's the problem with all these questions, but it does just give
Speaker:you an indication that older people were more willing to have a band.
Speaker:Possibly because they're not actually using, they're,
Speaker:they're watching the television.
Speaker:That's, I think they want, yeah, that's my question.
Speaker:Other younger people watching it on the internet and using ad blockers?
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Dunno.
Speaker:Anyway voting intention, not a great deal of difference.
Speaker:So anyway, seemed like a relatively high figure to me
Speaker:of people happy to treat sport.
Speaker:Betting advertising, like tobacco advertising.
Speaker:So yeah, that's how I view it.
Speaker:A polite on our society, get rid of them from the advertising world anyway.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:We really are chopping and changing all over the place on this episode.
Speaker:Submarines I mentioned briefly before about Greg Sheridan.
Speaker:There was an open letter with 110 signatures, basically from these
Speaker:professors at universities to the government saying, what the hell are you
Speaker:doing with this orcas and this submarines?
Speaker:It makes no sense.
Speaker:Please review this decision.
Speaker:It's ridiculous.
Speaker:So that open letter started with 110 signatures.
Speaker:Could be more by now.
Speaker:Also Scott, Scott Morrison has declared a royalties advance.
Speaker:He had to declare income on his register of members' interests as
Speaker:he's still a member of Parliament.
Speaker:Apparently he's writing an, an upcoming memoir.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I won't.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:He was the no nothing Prime Minister of our time and all that sort
Speaker:of thing is you know, had, had Turnbull released a book, didn't he?
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:They all have.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No, they all have.
Speaker:But I just thought to myself that Turnbull had actually something to say, but
Speaker:Morrison's got nothing to say, you know.
Speaker:Well, and Kevin Rudd also released a book, which is a load of nonsense, but he's
Speaker:released it in two volumes, hasn't he?
Speaker:Kevin Rudd.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I dunno.
Speaker:I think the interesting thing about Scotty's book is the publisher.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Who is.
Speaker:Harper Collins Christian, wasn't it?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Harper Collins's Christian Publishing.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:It's, it's gonna be a devotion to Jesus.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:You know, it's actually the only one that never actually put
Speaker:pen to paper was Paul Keating.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:He didn't write an autobiography.
Speaker:He write, there's been plenty of biographies, I
Speaker:guess, but he, yeah, plenty.
Speaker:There's been plenty of stuff written about him, but he never actually went
Speaker:out and did his own vanity project.
Speaker:I, I was gonna say, how many of them actually wrote their biographies?
Speaker:Autobiographies and how many had a ghost writer wrote them.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I think Scott Morrison will be relying heavily on the case rider.
Speaker:So, yeah.
Speaker:Anyway, we've got that to look forward to at some stage.
Speaker:Payroll tax, this is where we love the dictator Dan in Victoria.
Speaker:More than 130 Independent and Catholic schools in Victoria are expected to
Speaker:lose their long held exemption to payroll tax in an Andrews government
Speaker:measure to reduce the state's debt.
Speaker:He said the private schools have had a sweetheart taxation deal
Speaker:that was not affordable anymore.
Speaker:Guess what?
Speaker:Catholic Education Commission said the tax would probably apply
Speaker:to 25 Catholic secondary schools potentially wiping up to 1 million
Speaker:a year from the operating budgets.
Speaker:Jewish schools have raised the alarm about the new tax warning that it could put the,
Speaker:put the cost for Jewish education out of the financial reach for many families.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Too bad.
Speaker:It's so sad.
Speaker:There are eight independent Jewish skills in Melbourne,
Speaker:which our special privileges.
Speaker:Yes, I think they'll find a way.
Speaker:God cares.
Speaker:He'll intervene.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Anyway, that's where I love dictator Dan.
Speaker:Like he's prepared to do things like this and show the others how to stay despite
Speaker:the fact that he's Catholic himself.
Speaker:Yes, indeed, indeed.
Speaker:He recognizes, he recognizes the value of the secular society.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Very good.
Speaker:I hope he's still got plenty of energy cuz that Mark McGowan
Speaker:in Western Australia resigned, basically saying he's run out of gas.
Speaker:Just Yeah.
Speaker:Tired.
Speaker:He's bugging.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Hopefully dictated.
Speaker:Dan can keep going.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Show the rest of 'em how it's done.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Ah, okay.
Speaker:Ah, Whatley in the chat room says Holy Ghost writer.
Speaker:Not just a ghost writer, but a Holy Ghost writer.
Speaker:Well done Whatley.
Speaker:Only Whatley in the Ukraine.
Speaker:Bk.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:It's fallen properly into the Russians.
Speaker:Hasn't it actually fallen properly to the Russians?
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:It's one of those things.
Speaker:I don't think we can be a hundred percent guaranteed that it's fallen because
Speaker:you've got the head of the Russian, I can't remember his name, Baggo, the
Speaker:Wag, the Wagner Group or whatever.
Speaker:Yeah, the Wagner group.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:He hasn't handed it over yet, is that what you mean?
Speaker:No, he reckon he reckons that it has fallen to him and he's about ready
Speaker:to hand it over to the Russian Army.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We'll have to wait and see whether or not there's anything
Speaker:left to hand over to them.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well he was giving up, wasn't he?
Speaker:Well, he act allegedly.
Speaker:He, he allegedly, he said to the Ukrainians, I'll tell you where
Speaker:the Russians are so you can pick them off, but you've just gotta
Speaker:get outta back mood out of the way.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But, but also he said, oh Putin's not giving me enough weapons and ammunition.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:He take the do I'm taking my toys and I'm going home.
Speaker:And he didn't.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So you have to take what he says with a pinch of salt.
Speaker:Oh God.
Speaker:You have to take it with a bag of salt.
Speaker:More than a pinch of salt.
Speaker:Well, we don't see too many, too much footage of, of Ukrainian general standing
Speaker:and Buck Mu saying, we're still here.
Speaker:No, we haven't left yet.
Speaker:It's just a flesh wound.
Speaker:Haven't seen much of that.
Speaker:It's just tens of thousands of lives.
Speaker:Just it is a Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:It's a war of attrition.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And that's, that's which the Russians will probably take this
Speaker:out in the long run because they are prepared to slaughter thousands
Speaker:and thousands of their own people.
Speaker:And so is Zelensky.
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:So is Zelensky.
Speaker:He's prepared to slaughter them as well.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:But the only option, the only option is to sit down and negotiate
Speaker:with, with Vladimir Putin.
Speaker:Now let's have a look at Vladimir Putin's history of negotiated settlements.
Speaker:He has ignored every single one of those negotiated settlements
Speaker:that has ever been put before him.
Speaker:And, and don't forget, the Russians are conscripts.
Speaker:The Ukrainians are volunteers.
Speaker:Volunteers, exactly.
Speaker:There's, there's a huge difference.
Speaker:Killing the best and brightest of the Ukrainians.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And killing the life prisoners in the Russian side.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I don't think history's gonna treat Zelensky very well.
Speaker:It, it's, I dunno, is wasted lives.
Speaker:He's between a rock and a hard place.
Speaker:What was he supposed to do?
Speaker:Was he supposed to actually negotiate with, with, with, with Putin?
Speaker:Was it, there'd be thousands of more Ukrainians still alive.
Speaker:Had under person's rule.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:No, no.
Speaker:Ie.
Speaker:That's not whole point.
Speaker:You know, you, you're just saying that, you know, if, if, if he would,
Speaker:if he would, you know, I'm assuming that what you're saying is if he'd
Speaker:agreed to walk out of those eastern provinces, which his names escape me.
Speaker:If he walked outta there, Don Bass and said, well, Don Bass, if he'd said,
Speaker:well, you can have Don Bass if you agree that this is the last territorial claim.
Speaker:Sounds very familiar, doesn't it?
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:This is my last territorial claim in Europe.
Speaker:When was that Last word?
Speaker:Spoken piece of time by Hitler.
Speaker:And what's the worst that happens?
Speaker:What's the worst?
Speaker:It couldn't be worse.
Speaker:It wouldn't be worse than where they're, it wouldn't be worse than where they're
Speaker:now where, where they're right now.
Speaker:It could have been, it could have been where Putin says, well, thanks very much.
Speaker:We'll take all this area and we're gonna keep going.
Speaker:The, the question is, and and at the moment, the question is
Speaker:whether the Russian people have had enough and will overthrow Putin.
Speaker:Well, that's, that's what Zelensky is banking on.
Speaker:Well, if that's what he is banking on, well, he's, he's crazy.
Speaker:You can't bank on that.
Speaker:How could you bank on that?
Speaker:I don't, I don't think he can bank on it either.
Speaker:We're gonna lose, I don't think he can bank on it either
Speaker:because it is a fascist state.
Speaker:He, he should have said, we're gonna lose 10,000 lives.
Speaker:We might as well just retreat now and save those lives.
Speaker:But, and hope that they now, and he'll invade again.
Speaker:And push for another area in another two years, four years, whatever.
Speaker:But he could do that now.
Speaker:So he, well, no, can't.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:He's been, he's been western.
Speaker:The western, the western backed up has backed zelensky to the point
Speaker:where they're now armed with the best and best tanks in the world.
Speaker:He took negotiating f sixteens in there too, which will, which will both bolster
Speaker:the Ukrainian army to the point that the Russians, he took crime illegally.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And, and then he took the donbas because illegally, yes.
Speaker:And so, so what's the next step?
Speaker:So fine, they seed him the Donbass, and then in another five years he char Yeah.
Speaker:Carves off another slice of Ukraine.
Speaker:And then another one and what's next?
Speaker:Which he could, which he could still do.
Speaker:Which he could still do.
Speaker:Even now, he could carve off another slice.
Speaker:The point is there would still, there'd be 10,000 more Ukrainians alive.
Speaker:They've just been, been wasted on this meat grinder.
Speaker:Well, it's, it's, are they wasted now or are they wasted another five years?
Speaker:If, if Zelensky had succeeded in stopping, then he might have
Speaker:an argument, but he failed.
Speaker:So all those lives have been lost.
Speaker:He there the Russian line he had succeeded.
Speaker:A hell he has.
Speaker:Now, you, you are talking about the Russian line is where compared where.
Speaker:They wanted the Russian, the Russians wanted Kyiv.
Speaker:What?
Speaker:No Russians.
Speaker:They got us.
Speaker:The Russian kicked out.
Speaker:No, the Russians said, give us the donbas, give us crime.
Speaker:Change your constitution that you won't join nato and we're outta here.
Speaker:That's all we're that we're done.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's what they, that's what they said from day one.
Speaker:And if he had to have agreed to that, the Russian line would, but what did they say
Speaker:2014, if he'd agreed to that, the Russian line would be right where it is now.
Speaker:And he'd have tens of thousands of Ukrainians alive and not pushing up.
Speaker:Poppies in the mud in the Ukraine.
Speaker:He wasted those lives in a meat grinder.
Speaker:He was always, and it was always gonna happen.
Speaker:And you say, oh, if it agreed to that, then the Russians
Speaker:could say, thanks very much.
Speaker:Now we're gonna carve off a bit more.
Speaker:Well, they can still do that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:He's, he's just wasted the lives.
Speaker:It's, it's not gonna treat very well in my opinion, but we'll agree to
Speaker:disagree and probably in the chat room.
Speaker:I think people are disagreeing with me more than usual, but
Speaker:anyway no, you got watley there.
Speaker:He's, he's back in your, yeah.
Speaker:Ro ramens agreeing with you, Scott.
Speaker:Yeah, I know that.
Speaker:So yeah.
Speaker:Mixed bag in the chat room, which is good to see.
Speaker:But you mentioned, Scott, that, that F 16 fighters.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So now the Biden administration has said, yep, we're happy for the
Speaker:Ukraine to have F 16 fighter jets.
Speaker:The problem is the training is gonna take so long.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And they haven't actually said where they're coming from.
Speaker:Like they haven't actually said they're gonna be American of sixteens.
Speaker:They might be from some other country or whatever, but the
Speaker:Americans have said, yeah, okay.
Speaker:You can have some.
Speaker:This is what will potentially lead to World World War iii because according
Speaker:to this article from Caitlin Johnson, Biden's, national Security Advisor, Jake
Speaker:Sullivan, made it clear that Washington would approve of us weapons being used
Speaker:in an offensive to recapture Crimea.
Speaker:A horrifying prospect for many experts have agreed it is the
Speaker:most likely scenario to lead to nuclear warfare in this conflict.
Speaker:And but international law says that crime is Ukrainian.
Speaker:So it's an illegal occupation by the Russians.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And if the Russians want to defend something that was illegally taken,
Speaker:they're the only ones that are armed with nukes in that part of the world.
Speaker:So if anyone's gonna use nukes first, it'll be the Russians that use it.
Speaker:Well, the point is, if the US is gonna start supplying F 16 bit Jets
Speaker:to the Ukraine and saying mm-hmm.
Speaker:Start bombing Crimea with them or attacking them that's
Speaker:an escalation that's end.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:That's gonna be good.
Speaker:It is quiet.
Speaker:It is possibly a little bit too far to provide F 16 fighter jets to
Speaker:Ukraine because it could actually, it could actually embolden the
Speaker:Ukrainians to try and take back Crimea.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Well, they're being told Go ahead.
Speaker:You can do it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The Ukrainians want Crimea.
Speaker:The question is they want Crimea.
Speaker:Whatever happened to democracy though?
Speaker:I mean, do you believe that the strikes on the Kremlin were false flags?
Speaker:The drone strikes on the Kremlin?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That have no opinion about it, but it could be, could have been anything.
Speaker:They're just drone strikes.
Speaker:Could be anything.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But I mean, the, the, the Ukrainians suddenly managed to operate that
Speaker:far inside of Russia's borders.
Speaker:Ukrainian sympathizers would be within the Russian borders.
Speaker:I think that I think you're drawing a very long bow there.
Speaker:Trevor me to say that there are Ukrainian sympathizers in Russia.
Speaker:Is that long Bow own?
Speaker:A drone.
Speaker:A drone That would be a military style drone.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:What did it do?
Speaker:Yeah, what did it do?
Speaker:It it blew up, but close to the Kremlin, but not actually in the Kremlin.
Speaker:And nobody was injured, so it dropped a small bomb of some sort.
Speaker:It doesn't require a great deal of, you know, it, it, it wasn't like
Speaker:blowing up a, a Nord stream pipeline, let's put it, that it, it wasn't
Speaker:a homemade No, no, I, it wasn't.
Speaker:This didn't require state level actors.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:It doesn't seem too hard to me to sneak our drone into Russia and get
Speaker:some sympathizers to flight over the Kremlin and course mischief.
Speaker:That doesn't that to me.
Speaker:Well, what are you guys saying that the Kremlin did it as a false flag?
Speaker:Oh, I think that's considerably more likely.
Speaker:Why?
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:Because, because because they're trying to prove to their citizens
Speaker:that they're in the right, that this horrible Ukraine is picking a fight with
Speaker:Russia, and Russia is defending itself.
Speaker:Then they would've got, and that the Jewish president and that the Jewish
Speaker:president of Ukraine is an Nazi.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:See, they would've got the drain to drop a bomb over a children's hospital.
Speaker:That's what you would do if you were trying to do that
Speaker:in the chat room.
Speaker:Is it a false flag?
Speaker:Who, who dropped the bomb on the Kremlin?
Speaker:Was it?
Speaker:Ukrainian sympathizers or was it a false flag, Russian operation.
Speaker:Well, and there have, there have been a number of false flag videos on Telegram.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Which has been proven that they were definitely Russians who
Speaker:were pretending to be Ukrainians.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So again, nothing would surprise me in this war.
Speaker:Yes, yes.
Speaker:There's, there's only one thing that would surprise me if it turned out
Speaker:that it wasn't the United States who blew up the Nord Stream pipeline.
Speaker:That would astound me, cuz I'm convinced it was them.
Speaker:But anyway, it's heading in a bad direction with F 16 fighters being given
Speaker:to the Ukrainians and being told to attack the people of Crimea, who, as I understand
Speaker:it, According to a democratically held election, decided they wanted be Russian,
Speaker:but democratic elected, democratic, democratic referendum that was supervised
Speaker:by the Russian government when cleansed an area of the people who used to
Speaker:live there would put your citizens in.
Speaker:And then all of As to whether they were to be where.
Speaker:Oh, so we're all very confident about this.
Speaker:Are we?
Speaker:I mean, you know, we're super confident, but in fact wanted to stay uk.
Speaker:Can we be so confident Bass referendum, which was a 90% Yes.
Speaker:To becoming part of Russia.
Speaker:You know, there was, it seems extraordinary that,
Speaker:that it couldn't be right.
Speaker:It couldn't be right.
Speaker:It's like Chinese who are happy with the government.
Speaker:It couldn't be Right.
Speaker:It's quite possible guns at their head.
Speaker:How do we know?
Speaker:We don't know where the truth is in this Exactly, and I just think
Speaker:that, but given the ethnic naive to given believe that a former KGB
Speaker:agent is all sweetness and light.
Speaker:He's a prick.
Speaker:Here's the point, we don't know because given the ethnic history of these regions,
Speaker:we don't know it's, it is possible.
Speaker:You can't be so convinced that there's no way they could have
Speaker:wanted to be part of Russia.
Speaker:Like it's entirely possible.
Speaker:I dunno where the truth is.
Speaker:So, but I'm just, the crow, the, the crime here.
Speaker:So don't forget, SAASTA pole is one of Russia's three deep water naval bases.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So the area around Saasta pole was always Russian troops.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So if you poll Russian troops, of course they're gonna say yes.
Speaker:And since the illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014, the number of
Speaker:Ukrainians who are in Crimea are muchly reduced, would've left.
Speaker:And.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Russians have settled, I dunno how many, hundreds of thousands of people given
Speaker:them favorable tax breaks or whatever it is to go, Hey, come and live in Crimea.
Speaker:It's great.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So yeah, if you take the people who were there before and get rid of them and
Speaker:then stick in your population, of course they'll vote that yes, Russia is great.
Speaker:And potentially there was a significant, significant proportion of the
Speaker:population that did wanna, did feel Russian and stayed like possibly.
Speaker:We don't know.
Speaker:I, I think possible to know the demo.
Speaker:The demographics will have changed.
Speaker:I think it's impossible to know because the Russians refuse to allow international
Speaker:observation of the, of the, of the pole.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We'll never know.
Speaker:So anyway, there's all feed for thought out there.
Speaker:There was two sides to a story.
Speaker:It's two sides to every story, but I just think it's very naive of
Speaker:you to believe that a former KGB agent has grown up and become a,
Speaker:a convert of sweetness and light.
Speaker:I didn't say that and would negotiate.
Speaker:I didn't say that.
Speaker:You're putting words into my mouth.
Speaker:You're like, you're like Brahman with the consulting story.
Speaker:That's not what we're saying.
Speaker:I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that peon is someone I would want
Speaker:to be under his control, but Yeah.
Speaker:But you're saying that Ukraine should be under his control to, to save their lives.
Speaker:Well, it's quite possible that he's had a successful propaganda campaign
Speaker:that people feel that they wanna be part of Russia in the Crimea.
Speaker:It's quite possible.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I think that Crimee is quite possibly, yeah, I think crime is possibly right,
Speaker:but I honestly believe that 90% voting to become part of Russia out of the
Speaker:donbas is a little bit ridiculous.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Well, perhaps 55% white wanting.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:55 percent's a hell of a lot lower than 90% though.
Speaker:Well, well, the point is, you know, we just don't know.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Anyway where are we up to?
Speaker:Just to burn our res out, aren't you?
Speaker:Ah, yes, I am.
Speaker:So with the recent coronation we had we had the government general's wife sang
Speaker:a sign, oh good lord, she's not singing.
Speaker:Was she celebrating the coronation?
Speaker:And that was all over quick, where's, why were you buttoned?
Speaker:And and unfortunately, dear listener, the audio of that re of that
Speaker:performance really wasn't up to scratch.
Speaker:Oh dear.
Speaker:So I couldn't play it.
Speaker:I have found this one where she was addressing a group about palliative
Speaker:care with mom and self reflection, quiet with the family, sometimes
Speaker:special and you care and don't we thank party care and the cafe.
Speaker:Some are volunteers and doctors and nurses.
Speaker:They experienced death and sorrow.
Speaker:The families too.
Speaker:A hospice.
Speaker:Oh, cut it short.
Speaker:You know, there, there should have been more of a trigger warning on that.
Speaker:Yeah, I think, I think people got the idea.
Speaker:I think we got the, the idea All from Canberra won't be happy, Ben.
Speaker:We can be grateful that Mrs.
Speaker:Hurley didn't decide to lead a community sing along at the Abbey while, while
Speaker:we are waiting for the king to arrive.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Anyway Craigy had a good article listing the things that she has sung
Speaker:about and actually, what are the lines here, because she, she, she's trying
Speaker:to get ideas into these songs and referring to organizations and stuff.
Speaker:And this writer and Crikey said, Joni Mitchell might have said, I
Speaker:cannot work the concepts of Center for Invasive Species Solutions and
Speaker:philanthropic opportunities elegantly into averse, let alone those exact words.
Speaker:But of course Linda Hurley managed to do that.
Speaker:She just ah, okay.
Speaker:What can you say?
Speaker:Stop.
Speaker:That's what you could say.
Speaker:Just stop.
Speaker:Look for the man you're saying.
Speaker:Stop.
Speaker:It's you who's playing these bloody things
Speaker:because I'm trying to expose her to, to, to create a wave of community outrage
Speaker:that will eventually lead to her stopping.
Speaker:That's, that's why we talk about these things here.
Speaker:Rent Crisis Saturday paper had an article.
Speaker:Look, we are looking at why are rents so high and one of the theories put forward.
Speaker:What's that, Scott?
Speaker:There's merciless people like me that rent properties out so well.
Speaker:People have always rented.
Speaker:It's people who don't rent properties out but own rental properties.
Speaker:Correct.
Speaker:Scott, you are the good guy in this.
Speaker:You've got properties and you are actually renting them out.
Speaker:Yeah, I suppose so.
Speaker:According to this from the Saturday paper, it says, we've never had more dwellings
Speaker:per head of population than we do now.
Speaker:We bill between 160 and 240,000 new homes in Australia every year.
Speaker:That's more than enough to cope with population growth.
Speaker:The thing is, they are increasingly big and empty homes.
Speaker:The average Australian dwelling has more than three bedrooms, and newer
Speaker:homes have more than older ones.
Speaker:Meanwhile, the number of people living in them is declining from about 2.9 in
Speaker:the mid eighties to 2.5, and the pandemic has contributed to this as more people
Speaker:working from home requiring more space.
Speaker:Tens of thousands of spare bedrooms became home offices on census night in 2021.
Speaker:More than 10% of dwellings, more than a million homes were unoccupied.
Speaker:Many were second homes for wealthier Australians.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Can't think of anybody who's got a second home.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:It's true.
Speaker:What's happening is boomer's parents are passing away, boomers are inheriting
Speaker:their parents' place, which they've already got a mortgage paid off and
Speaker:they think, oh, I have a holiday home.
Speaker:Or they've already got a holiday home.
Speaker:Like, yeah, lots of boomers with empty holiday homes.
Speaker:And well that was gonna be my next question was how many of
Speaker:those homes were in places that people actually want to live?
Speaker:Dunno.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:If, if you have a million homes in the regional centers of Australia have
Speaker:they all moved into the big cities?
Speaker:Are tho Is that why the homes are empty?
Speaker:They haven't really said that there's a problem with an imbalance
Speaker:between the regions and the city.
Speaker:But you know, that is the case that people who are maybe sharing houses would
Speaker:be doing less people in a house because they need the bedrooms for a study for
Speaker:an office as they're working from home.
Speaker:So less people in homes and also, yeah, people owning multiple
Speaker:homes and having holiday houses that they could be renting out.
Speaker:So Scott, you're the good guy in this cuz you've got, as the
Speaker:regional slum lord of Queensland, you're actually renting 'em out.
Speaker:You're the good guy.
Speaker:Yeah, I suppose so.
Speaker:Essential Poll had some stuff about current housing system.
Speaker:Let me just find that current housing system.
Speaker:Here it is.
Speaker:And that, and so.
Speaker:How good or bad do you think the current housing system
Speaker:is for the following groups?
Speaker:By housing system, we mean the laws and regulations that provide protection
Speaker:and benefits when owning or buying or selling or renting a residential property.
Speaker:And very good.
Speaker:Good.
Speaker:Neither good nor bad.
Speaker:Bad.
Speaker:Very bad.
Speaker:So it's asking how good is the system for the following groups?
Speaker:And basically at the top there, people who already own their own, own home
Speaker:Australians 43% of them think that the system works well, very good or very good
Speaker:for people who already own their own home.
Speaker:But for future generations only 9% think that.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:People recognizing that the system helps current homeowners,
Speaker:but not future generation, not renters, not Australia as a whole.
Speaker:But it does help people who own their own home or who
Speaker:invest in residential property.
Speaker:So nothing surprising there.
Speaker:I don't think gender wise not a great difference.
Speaker:Males are more likely to think that the system is beneficial for people who
Speaker:already own their own home or who invest invested in residential properties.
Speaker:I was gonna say, males would be marginally more likely to own an investment property.
Speaker:True.
Speaker:So, but even if you don't own one, you should understand that the
Speaker:system helps people who own one.
Speaker:So, yeah.
Speaker:Age-wise, This is the one that got me actually.
Speaker:So, older people understand that the system helps people who currently own
Speaker:their own home or who are investing and they also acknowledged that it's
Speaker:really bad for future generations.
Speaker:But the younger generation was more likely to think that the system
Speaker:works well for future generations.
Speaker:I didn't understand that.
Speaker:So I don't think because they've been indoctrinated.
Speaker:Yes, potentially that's it.
Speaker:I don't know why, but that's really quite puzzling, isn't it?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I dunno why younger generation, 21% of have, have people your younger generation.
Speaker:So no, I haven't, so.
Speaker:But I've indoctrinated them as to how the system works.
Speaker:I think they've got a fair idea.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Well see, I've already apologized to my younger generation in my family
Speaker:and said, look, I'm very sorry, but I, I grew up at a time when it was
Speaker:cheap to buy property and I bought a property and I sold it for a mint.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So, you know, mm-hmm.
Speaker:There's nothing I can do about that.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Looking at options, measures that could be taken to make the system
Speaker:better, and putting restrictions on foreign investment in real estate.
Speaker:It was 69% of people agreed with that.
Speaker:Putting a freeze on rental increases.
Speaker:60% of people would either strongly support or somewhat support.
Speaker:So putting, that's an interesting one, Scott, on on placing a
Speaker:freeze on rental increases, 36% strongly supported, and 24%.
Speaker:Somewhat supported.
Speaker:Only 17% were against it.
Speaker:There was a lot of Dinos there or, or neutrals.
Speaker:That seems quite a high number of people willing to look at rent freezers.
Speaker:Yeah, I know that and I realize the greens have got a hell
Speaker:of a lot of running on that.
Speaker:But you listen to some of the economists out there, they will
Speaker:actually tell you it's a bad idea to actually put a rental freeze on there.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I don't fully understand why, but they do actually say it's a bad idea.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:The other one that interests me was the one oh, capping the number of
Speaker:investment properties someone can own.
Speaker:50% agreed with that.
Speaker:What I, I, what I am shocked about and there you go.
Speaker:Going back to Australia as a racist country.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Place further restrictions on foreign investment in residential property.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Quite high, wasn't it?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well I look playing the foreigners.
Speaker:What I see, what I don't see on there, which is the one I've heard
Speaker:of, is charging higher rates on or higher tax levels on empty properties.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:On short, short term, lets, because apparently Airbnb has a,
Speaker:a bad impact, people are saying down the Gold Coast particularly.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:What used to be residential accommodation is now holiday accommodation because
Speaker:Airbnb just makes it so easy.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And so, effectively just charging higher rates on that to dissuade people, to
Speaker:make it less, make it less profitable.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And again, for, for un unoccupied properties, just
Speaker:charge a an empty property fee.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Certainly councils now are charging higher rates or unoccupied properties.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Just by voting intention, was there anything?
Speaker:Obviously actually again, the independent party voters were, were
Speaker:all up for really strong measures to, to to make changes, particularly
Speaker:restricting foreign investment.
Speaker:No support.
Speaker:What a shock.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, 64% of green's voters would be in favor of a freeze on rental increases.
Speaker:And.
Speaker:Capping the NU capping the number of investment properties, 59%.
Speaker:Anyway.
Speaker:Overall, I think fairly strong support for what would've been measures that really
Speaker:five years ago would've been unthinkable.
Speaker:I reckon Scott, like that sort of government intervention into the market,
Speaker:I don't think Australians would've been as up for it as what they are now.
Speaker:Seems to me becoming after all of this covid sort of stuff where government flex
Speaker:actually what a government is useful for.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And we've actually learned that governments have a use, so we can
Speaker:actually used to telling people stuff, but they could and couldn't do.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:And also it's just becoming increasingly obvious.
Speaker:You know, you might be a teacher first.
Speaker:Say you're a first year teacher on the Sunshine Coast.
Speaker:Really hard to find a place to rent that's within any sort of reasonable
Speaker:commute of a Sunshine Coast School.
Speaker:Like there's just nothing to rent.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Cause it's all been let out holiday letting on Airbnb.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:What's there is ridiculously expensive.
Speaker:So I think people have seen enough personal examples of that.
Speaker:So, yeah, just to me though, that poll just showed a surprising willingness
Speaker:from a lot of people for fairly heavy government regulation that maybe
Speaker:wouldn't have been acceptable before.
Speaker:So there we go.
Speaker:How are we going for time wise?
Speaker:8 58.
Speaker:Ah, we're up to and a half.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No, we, well, I think that's almost enough, isn't it?
Speaker:What do I have here?
Speaker:Oh look, because we are talking about Putin.
Speaker:I'll play this one.
Speaker:Bricks, Brazil, Russia, India and China.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:India, China and South Africa.
Speaker:South Africa.
Speaker:This is from the South African guy.
Speaker:So, a n c general Secretary was being interviewed about Putin
Speaker:and Russia and the relationship.
Speaker:So I think I've got this one here cuz it's sort of relevant to our
Speaker:earlier discussion, which I didn't know we're gonna do what we did.
Speaker:Let me just see here we go.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:With me.
Speaker:One second.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Africa is a, a treaty member of the International Criminal Court.
Speaker:If Putin comes here in August as planned, your government will be obliged
Speaker:to arrest him as head of the a n c.
Speaker:Do you believe your government should and indeed will arrest Vladimir?
Speaker:If it was according to the a n c, we will one President
Speaker:Putin to be here even tomorrow.
Speaker:You would to come to come to come to our country.
Speaker:But you will welcome Vladimir Putin here right now.
Speaker:Of course, we will welcome a man who is being investigated for
Speaker:war crimes by the international.
Speaker:We will welcome him to come here as patent person of bricks, but
Speaker:we know that we are constrained by the ICC in terms of doing that.
Speaker:Putin is a head of state.
Speaker:Do you think that a head of state can just be arrested anywhere?
Speaker:How many crimes have your country committed in Iraq?
Speaker:How many crimes have everyone else who suffer focal today
Speaker:committed in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Speaker:Have you arrested them?
Speaker:Not, you know, the impact that this stand in yours, you made a lot of
Speaker:noise about putting a state of working for peace between Ukraine and Russia,
Speaker:and you failed to resolve the war.
Speaker:Where are the weapons of mass destruction?
Speaker:Tony Player went to Iraq and claimed that there weapons of mass destruction.
Speaker:Did you see anybody standing against that?
Speaker:In the United Kingdom and Britain, more than millions of people have died
Speaker:in Iraq and Afghanistan, and there are no weapons of mass destruction.
Speaker:We know what the war is about.
Speaker:Mr.
Speaker:Secretary General between Russia You get the idea pushback saying, well,
Speaker:we, we support other dictators.
Speaker:I think the difference is that, you know, I agree with what he's coming
Speaker:from, but I also think that the ICC didn't actually indict anyone.
Speaker:In Iraq, but they having indicted Putin and the war
Speaker:crimes were slightly different.
Speaker:So there have been soldiers, not as many people, not, not as many people
Speaker:killed soldiers who have been tried.
Speaker:But so we're talking about ethnic cleansing has gone on in the Ukraine.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:That's the allegations.
Speaker:And there's some fairly strong evidence ethnic cleansing didn't happen in Iraq.
Speaker:I guess the point I'm making is that we're moving to a multipolar
Speaker:world and we've got bricks.
Speaker:We've got you know, Brazil, we've now got Venezuela, we've got
Speaker:the Saudis are talking to Iran.
Speaker:They're best buddies now.
Speaker:There's a breakaway of the global South and other countries
Speaker:who are now banding together.
Speaker:With the help of China, with the oil of the Saudis, and they don't view Russia and
Speaker:Putin unfavorably like the West has done.
Speaker:It's just the fact that that they view it quite differently to what the West does.
Speaker:So I'm just trying to give a perspective that not everybody in the world is
Speaker:following the same Western view of it.
Speaker:Not saying that Putin's right in what he's doing, but these people are saying
Speaker:like, this guy from Africa is saying, well, he's a leader of a major country
Speaker:and you guys didn't arrest or stop any of the murderous thugs who are in charge
Speaker:of the uk, the US and Australia when they went around the world bombing places.
Speaker:So don't go telling us what to do in this case.
Speaker:That's how the, that is how the global South looks at the Ukraine, Russia.
Speaker:But go back 40 years, and that was the same with the east versus the west
Speaker:and the Iron curtain were propping up various states in the south, the global
Speaker:south, who would align with them.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Please.
Speaker:Sash.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I, I I don't see that this is anything new.
Speaker:Well, when you've got, when you've got countries that are not under the
Speaker:thumb, but are voluntarily forming a new multi-polar block, countries as diverse
Speaker:as South Africa, Brazil, Venezuela, Iran, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, like, that's
Speaker:a lot of people who are entering into this voluntarily because they're, they're
Speaker:done with the system that was in place.
Speaker:They're not being, you know, forced into this.
Speaker:They're going, they've been chomping at the bit waiting for an opportunity
Speaker:to tell the IMF and the USA and the Western powers to go and get fucked.
Speaker:And it's come to the point where they can actually do it now.
Speaker:And so they look at this situation.
Speaker:It's not like a poor African country that was getting some foreign aid from
Speaker:Russia and felt that it had to this is a much more voluntary shifting of, of
Speaker:power that's happening in the world.
Speaker:It's just an example of it there.
Speaker:And this is a bit of homework for you, Trevor.
Speaker:Can you come back with a critique of the view of the western
Speaker:world that the US imposed at the end of the Second World War?
Speaker:What was wrong with the rules-based order?
Speaker:What was wrong with the rules based order?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Well, what was wrong with it was it was attached to neoliberalism where basically
Speaker:the USA said to the global south, that in particular Latin America, that you've
Speaker:gotta give, you've gotta give, you have to open up your economies to us.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:We will not let you create industry.
Speaker:You can make, you can grow bananas and we'll buy your bananas.
Speaker:But don't you dare try and start a car manufacturing industry.
Speaker:We won't let you.
Speaker:They were held back because of the IMF in the World Bank, and, and as soon as they
Speaker:showed any promise they would've been militarily attacked, their governments
Speaker:would've been overthrow a yen in Chile.
Speaker:So that's what happened was, was the US hegemon was forced on these countries
Speaker:and they couldn't do anything about it.
Speaker:Now, China has got big enough, India, Russia, Iran, there's ano.
Speaker:The American has deteriorated enough now that these countries can finally
Speaker:get out from underneath their power.
Speaker:That's what happened.
Speaker:Yeah, I suppose I,
Speaker:so, yeah, so when it comes to these things, there's just a different
Speaker:point of view out there in the world, and it's like, I had a
Speaker:discussion with Paul from Canberra.
Speaker:He is up in Brisbane recently, and we're talking about China.
Speaker:I was just trying to say to him, People think that the Chinese are
Speaker:chomping at the bid for a different form of democratic government on whole.
Speaker:They're not that You can look at all manner of different poles and the
Speaker:Chinese are happy with the system of government that they've got
Speaker:largely, they're far happier with it than than Western countries are.
Speaker:And in the West we don't understand that.
Speaker:And next week when we will resume, I'll do the article, which is what
Speaker:the West doesn't understand about China, but it's similar to this
Speaker:sort of discussion we are having.
Speaker:The West doesn't understand the global south and doesn't understand
Speaker:China, and they think about these things from a different point of
Speaker:view and it's, you know, you're accusing me of being naive about my
Speaker:view of I'm not being naive at all.
Speaker:I understand he's a prick and a BA and all the rest of it.
Speaker:But it's, it's not as straightforward as Western propaganda would have it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Ah, there we go.
Speaker:I'll have to agree to disagree on that one, I think.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, that's good.
Speaker:That's what we are here for, right?
Speaker:It's over an hour and a half.
Speaker:We're done for this week in the chat room.
Speaker:You've been magnificent.
Speaker:Keep up the good work.
Speaker:Join us again next week.
Speaker:We'll talk to you then.
Speaker:Bye for now.
Speaker:And it's a good night from me, man.
Speaker:It's a good night from him.
