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Episode 384 - We need to talk about Stan.
In this episode we discuss:
(00:00) Meerkat Intro
(00:44) Intro
(01:56) My Week
(05:27) Hardbottom in town
(06:10) Let's talk about Racism
(16:50) Stan Grant
(48:47) Polling on a Republic
(50:03) Gender
(50:48) Age
(51:11) Voting Intention
(52:42) China - Friend and Foe
(55:00) Consultancy Firms
(57:47) Tasered Granny
(01:01:31) Spasmodic dysphonia
(01:03:08) National Service
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Transcript
Suburban Eastern Australia.
Speaker:An environment that has over time evolved some extraordinarily
Speaker:unique groups of Homo Sapians.
Speaker:But today we observe a small tribe akin to a group of mere cats that gather together
Speaker:a top, a small mound to watch question and discuss the current events of their city,
Speaker:their country, and their world at large.
Speaker:Let's listen keenly and observe this group fondly known as the
Speaker:Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.
Speaker:Well, we're back.
Speaker:Yes, at a break.
Speaker:So two weeks since the last time we spoke with you.
Speaker:This is a podcast where we talk about news and politics and sex
Speaker:and religion, dangerous topics.
Speaker:And we're not gonna let you down with a dangerous topic in Stan
Speaker:Grant and more racism tonight.
Speaker:We're gonna go where angels fear to tread.
Speaker:I'm Trevor a k a, the Iron Fist with me as always, the Velvet Glove himself.
Speaker:Scott Goodday, Trevor Goodday.
Speaker:Joe Goodday listeners, how are you all?
Speaker:We are all, well, well actually I've got a little bit of head
Speaker:cold, but nothing to speak of.
Speaker:And Joe, the tech guy with us.
Speaker:Joe, how are you?
Speaker:Evening all.
Speaker:So we'll talk about a little bit of social stuff, first of all what we've been up to
Speaker:and then get into the meat of the podcast.
Speaker:It seemed to me, you know, there's not a lot happening worldwide.
Speaker:I say that when there's a war raging in the Ukraine and it looks like
Speaker:potentially escalating into World War iii.
Speaker:And we are having major battles with our major trading partner.
Speaker:But, you know, on the domestic front and stuff, it's.
Speaker:Same old, same old.
Speaker:So thank goodness for Stan Grant in his his sort of comments about what's
Speaker:happened to him and a few other things.
Speaker:So right before we get onto that it has been two weeks.
Speaker:One thing that did happen to me on Mother's Day, actually, I dunno if
Speaker:you guys were there when I was telling the story, but I was invited to a
Speaker:function down at cooling gathers like 35, 40 people from the building
Speaker:that we're staying in regularly.
Speaker:And as I'm sitting down talking, it's one of those situations where you
Speaker:can really only talk to the person in front of you and beside you.
Speaker:And there's enough conversation and, you know, older crowd.
Speaker:And then And then Ray mentions to this other guy, I think his name was Keith,
Speaker:can't quite be sure what his name was.
Speaker:Keith, tell us about your time as an Anglican pastor.
Speaker:So, dear listener, I was really, I was actually sitting opposite
Speaker:a retired Anglican pastor from a bridge Brisbane diocese.
Speaker:And so that was interesting.
Speaker:He spoke about his experience and he quite enjoyed the job.
Speaker:Like he had some job as an administrative role.
Speaker:Yeah, government job just decided he'd like to be a pastor.
Speaker:But the interesting thing to come out of it was how small a congregation was.
Speaker:Really only about 70 people were regular attenders of a service.
Speaker:I, I'd actually say that's large, certainly compared to the UK maybe.
Speaker:And and then we are talking is describing how you're really
Speaker:running a small business and.
Speaker:Ooh, we got just talking about income and really from 70 regular
Speaker:people in the congregation.
Speaker:It was generating about 300,000 a year, which just over 4,000 ahead.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:From which he would pay himself a wage and then other expenses for the activities
Speaker:that the church did in the area.
Speaker:Saying that was interesting.
Speaker:But get yourself 70 and, and you have to pay your franchise
Speaker:fee back up to the head church.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, I dunno how much they transferred to them, but but there you go.
Speaker:That's just an interesting little tidbit of information.
Speaker:Get yourself a congregation of 70 people in the Anglican Church and you
Speaker:can have a small business with a, an income, a gross income of 300,000.
Speaker:Scott, there we go.
Speaker:Yeah, we've, we've got about regularly 50 to 60 contributors to this podcast.
Speaker:I can tell you we get nowhere near 300,000.
Speaker:That's a year.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Instead of 4,000 per annum, it's more like 50 or $60 per annum, but that's right.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And yeah, he thought that the that the congregation was sort of falling
Speaker:off over time because of Sunday trading at the shops and also Sunday
Speaker:Sport gave people other options and yeah, they had other things to do.
Speaker:They weren't as committed as they used to be.
Speaker:And I said to him, well, it's Sunday and it's Mother's Day.
Speaker:Are you going to church later today?
Speaker:He said, no, I'm gonna give it a miss this week.
Speaker:So there we go.
Speaker:That was good.
Speaker:And the other thing that happened was last weekend I was at felons and I
Speaker:had my Nu Temple of Satan t-shirt on.
Speaker:And sat down at the table, barely sat down, and this guy came up, tapped
Speaker:me on the shoulder and said, hi, Trevor, love the work that you're
Speaker:doing with the new Temple of Satan.
Speaker:Just wanna say congratulations.
Speaker:Keep up the good work.
Speaker:That was nice.
Speaker:So it was, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So that's what happened to me since I've last seen you.
Speaker:Hello.
Speaker:In the chat room to Alison and also to Alison's mom, Bev, who watches
Speaker:or listens as Alison's watching.
Speaker:So, hello Bev, glad you enjoyed the podcast, and also Andrew.
Speaker:And that's all we've got so far.
Speaker:So if you're in the chat room, say hello and contribute.
Speaker:One other sort of housekeeping thing is Scott Landon.
Speaker:Hardbottom Yes.
Speaker:Is coming to town.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:After a four year absence and Landon will make his triumphant
Speaker:return bring gifts apparently.
Speaker:So, yeah, 29th.
Speaker:So keep the 29th of July.
Speaker:Free details to come closer to the time.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:That's enough of the housekeeping if you like.
Speaker:If, if it's Landon, surely it needs to be gifted cocaine.
Speaker:I don't think he does actually do that.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:Or, or torture weapons or something like that.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Hello?
Speaker:Anne in the chat room as well.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:29th of July.
Speaker:Keep that free.
Speaker:Alright, we're gonna, we're gonna be talking about race and Stan Grant,
Speaker:but I think we need some warmup exercises, gentlemen, before we get
Speaker:into that time for some r racism.
Speaker:So I thought we would do a few definitions, look at a quick look at
Speaker:some systemic racism and then who better to explore racism with than Israel.
Speaker:And he'll get a mention and then we'll get to Stan Grant.
Speaker:So, yeah.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:Just a reminder, racism.
Speaker:This is a dictionary I got from Wikipedia not from Wikipedia, from
Speaker:Google, which I think was talking about Oxford languages, was the origin.
Speaker:And it says racist characterized by or shall prejudice, discrimination, or
Speaker:antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership of
Speaker:a particular racial or ethnic group.
Speaker:Typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
Speaker:So you've got to show prejudice, discrimination, or
Speaker:antagonism against a group.
Speaker:Simply just discussing isn't racism the we'll do a lot of discussing.
Speaker:I was gonna say, I had some microaggression though.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well it might be, but it's not racism.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And this came about because I wasn't there, but my wife was at a function
Speaker:and somehow the topic of skin color came up and the reluctance of people
Speaker:to acknowledge different skin colors of different people because it was seen
Speaker:as a bit of a touchy subject, a bit of a taboo subject of, of just commenting
Speaker:about somebody who's got lovely dark skin or something like that, that
Speaker:was seen as being potentially racist.
Speaker:Again, I wasn't there at the conversation, but that's a sort of general topic I
Speaker:wanted to quickly explore and say that just sort of commenting on somebody's
Speaker:skin color, if it's not in a negative way, just in an observational way,
Speaker:doesn't sound like racism to me.
Speaker:And I was reminded, do you guys remember with Harry and Megan.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And back on the Oprah interview.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So it was going to be announced that they were engaged, I think.
Speaker:And in the Oprah interview, Megan revealed that there had, in conversations
Speaker:in the royal family about how dark the skin of a baby might be a child.
Speaker:And Oprah was taken aback and clarified really, you know, about
Speaker:how dark your baby is going to be.
Speaker:And Megan replied potentially, and what that would mean or look like.
Speaker:So that was sort of seen as a taboo topic.
Speaker:I, I saw a commentary at the time of the Oprah interview of black people
Speaker:saying, we have the same conversation as black people going, I wonder how black
Speaker:or not black, you know, between one.
Speaker:If you have somebody who's very dark and somebody who's less dark,
Speaker:then the conversation happens about what color will the baby be?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Will it be darker or lighter brown?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And you know, if you've got something one on the one side of
Speaker:the family who's got sort of pale freckled skin that sunburns quickly.
Speaker:The example.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Or a ginger.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Often I've found that ginger people are really resentful of their skin
Speaker:and wish they had lovely olive skin that tanned and didn't burn.
Speaker:And it's not, I can't think of an exact instance, but I'm sure I've heard of
Speaker:where people in gingers would say, ah, you know, say a ginger was marrying and
Speaker:somebody with lovely dark olive skin, they'd say, ah, gee, I hate the baby
Speaker:gets the lovely olive skin, for example.
Speaker:It's not seen as, it's not a racist thing to just comment about skin
Speaker:color when I wanna make, so, people get hung up on these subjects as
Speaker:if it's merely talking about them.
Speaker:Makes you a racist.
Speaker:It's all part of our warmup exercises.
Speaker:Why We're just talking about things and it's all okay.
Speaker:Relax out there.
Speaker:Andrew says in the chat room, that's a beautiful amputation.
Speaker:Also seemed a difficult physical observation to make if in doubt.
Speaker:Don't go there.
Speaker:Well, I dunno that you talk about an amputation.
Speaker:You might talk about the stump.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Amputations.
Speaker:The, the, the operation, isn't it?
Speaker:I dunno.
Speaker:I mean, if you look at children, my daughter grew up with a very close family
Speaker:friend who is of Indian heritage, and she commented that she really liked
Speaker:him because he was like chocolate.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:It was just a, a naive comment about.
Speaker:How he was different from us.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:And, and nothing was meant by it.
Speaker:She loved him.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Like a brother.
Speaker:She still does.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So I, I think yes, people can use it to be nasty, but I don't think
Speaker:you have to assume that somebody making a comment is being nasty.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And you might avoid a topic because you think potentially it's something, an area
Speaker:where somebody doesn't want to go to.
Speaker:Say, for example, I have an amputation story, Andrew.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:That works quite nicely with this because as you may know, I've been doing some
Speaker:ocean swimming lately and I've conned my wife to come and do it as well.
Speaker:And she's worried about sharks and she insists that I swim on the ocean
Speaker:side and she's on the shore side.
Speaker:The theory being that a shark comes in first from water, it's,
Speaker:it's gonna take me first and That's, that's true love for you.
Speaker:That is, anyway it's a bit of a running joke with us over the last
Speaker:couple of weeks and we visited brother some male demo gorgan the
Speaker:other day on his island retreat.
Speaker:And as we were walking around the island this other couple came along
Speaker:and of course it's a small island where everybody knows everybody.
Speaker:And so we stopped and said hello.
Speaker:And this of the couple, the guy had obviously an amputated
Speaker:leg at about the kneecap level.
Speaker:You could, you know, it wasn't covered with his pants.
Speaker:It was a, you could see the metal apparatus that he was walking on.
Speaker:And so as curious as we were as to what happened to his leg, that's one
Speaker:where you wouldn't say, gosh, I've noticed you've got an amputated leg.
Speaker:How did that happen?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Unless you knew somebody really well, because who knows?
Speaker:It might be.
Speaker:Regurgitating some traumatic car accident or illness or, you know,
Speaker:it's understandable that you would avoid the topic directly with somebody
Speaker:unless you knew them quite well.
Speaker:And anyway we, as we departed from them, we were walking along with Robin and we
Speaker:said, so what happened to that guy's leg?
Speaker:Robin said, shark attack.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:This guy's from South Africa and apparently there were three kids
Speaker:in his grade who had missing limbs from shark attacks.
Speaker:What the thing in South Africa.
Speaker:Really?
Speaker:In that era.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:Saying, yeah, just ironic that zen and I have been swimming in a
Speaker:formation to avoid a shark attack.
Speaker:I'm poo-pooing the idea.
Speaker:And then we met a guy, he'd actually lost a leg and threw a shark attack.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Moving on.
Speaker:Oh, just.
Speaker:Basically from the book that was a about Harry and Megan and the author
Speaker:said is that that it was Prince Charles who said it about the baby.
Speaker:And just from the article here, it says, what I'm saying is that
Speaker:on the morning that the engagement of Harry and Meam was announced in
Speaker:a very kind of benign way, prince Charles started to muse on what their
Speaker:future grandchildren might look like.
Speaker:I mean, here's this beautiful biracial American woman and the
Speaker:world's most famous redhead.
Speaker:I'm a grandfather, of course, we all do this.
Speaker:You know, you speculate on that.
Speaker:But it was turned into something very toxic.
Speaker:It was weaponized really, by the men in Gray who run the palace organization.
Speaker:So there we go.
Speaker:That was that one little warmup exercise.
Speaker:And I just, the other thing.
Speaker:Have you guys, do you guys know that there's a Israel FAU
Speaker:documentary on a B C I view?
Speaker:I did hear something about it.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I haven't really gotten to look at it.
Speaker:So I watched the first episode given we spent a lot of time on
Speaker:Israel fau worth, worth watching.
Speaker:Very interesting.
Speaker:He's for lousy.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:He's very Christian, obviously.
Speaker:And just the way he he, his Christianity overtook him and also the influence of
Speaker:his father, which was normal in that sort of culture that he came from.
Speaker:That was the other thing that came from this, was just the cultural
Speaker:things that were in play with him.
Speaker:And and also, you know, there were a lot of sort of islander Polynesians who were
Speaker:interviewed and making the point that there's a lot of them in rugby because.
Speaker:The game suits the typical Polynesian Islander physique of very
Speaker:strong, explosive, powerful men.
Speaker:And hence why 40% of professional union players were sort of
Speaker:Polynesian Islander heritage.
Speaker:And this was all discussed very matter of factly.
Speaker:Yes, we are mostly strong, explosive runners who can hit
Speaker:hard and this game suits us.
Speaker:And that was said in a way that's not racist.
Speaker:Like that was just a generalization, not meant to c cover, you know, a
Speaker:hundred percent of island people.
Speaker:But on the whole of, you know, a representation of a predisposition
Speaker:of that type of people.
Speaker:Not meant to be racist, but just an observation.
Speaker:Nobody's in uproar about, oh, Generalization about physical
Speaker:attributes of these people.
Speaker:It's just an observation and a fair one to make, so, right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Oh, what have we got here?
Speaker:Andrew Jackson says, I met someone with a mastectomy and someone
Speaker:with shark initiated amputation.
Speaker:In nudist context, I had conversations about the amputation in the context.
Speaker:Hang on.
Speaker:South Africa.
Speaker:Alright, he's got a story for us there at some stage.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:It's funny where things lead you to, let's stand grant.
Speaker:He has resigned from, well, temporarily, at least for the moment, his position
Speaker:on q and a and his other positions.
Speaker:And here's a little bit of his farewell statement on q and a from the other night.
Speaker:Many of you would know by now that I'm stepping away for a
Speaker:little while, but I'll be okay.
Speaker:Please send that support and care to those of my people and all people who feel
Speaker:abandoned and alone, who are wondering whether they have a place in this country
Speaker:and who don't have my privileges to those who have abused me and my family.
Speaker:I would just say, if your aim was to hurt me, would you succeeded?
Speaker:And I'm sorry.
Speaker:I'm sorry that I must have given you so much cause to hate me so
Speaker:much, to target me and my family to make threats against me.
Speaker:I'm sorry.
Speaker:And that's what yura means.
Speaker:It means that I'm not just responsible for what I do, but for what you do.
Speaker:It's not just a word.
Speaker:It is sacred.
Speaker:It is what it means to be Wera.
Speaker:It is the core of my being.
Speaker:It is respect.
Speaker:It is respect that comes from the earth We are born into from God by army.
Speaker:If I break that, I lose who I am.
Speaker:I am down right now.
Speaker:I am.
Speaker:But I'll get back up and you can come at me again and I'll meet
Speaker:you with the love of my people.
Speaker:My people can teach the world to love.
Speaker:As Martin Luther King Jr.
Speaker:Said, if he struggle, we will wear you down with our capacity to love.
Speaker:Don't mistake our love for weakness.
Speaker:It is our strength.
Speaker:We have never stopped loving and fighting for justice and truth.
Speaker:I fear the media does not have the love or the language to speak to
Speaker:the gentle spirits of our land.
Speaker:I'm not walking away for a while because of racism.
Speaker:We get that far too often.
Speaker:I'm not walking away because of social media hatred.
Speaker:I need a break from the media.
Speaker:I feel like I'm part of the problem and I need to ask myself how or if
Speaker:we can do it better to my people.
Speaker:I have always wanted to represent you with pride.
Speaker:I know I might disappoint you sometimes, but in my own little way, I've just
Speaker:wanted to make us scene and I'm sorry that I can't do that for a little.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:I noticed he was invoking a white person's God.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yes, I noticed that as well.
Speaker:And a sort of a spirituality is strong with this, with
Speaker:this one in terms of mm-hmm.
Speaker:From the earth.
Speaker:There's a lot of Lou when it comes to, not only in that statement, but
Speaker:just other things that he says and spirituality and are passing on through
Speaker:generations and a acquired heritage.
Speaker:Very spiritual sort of way of looking at his identity.
Speaker:And Scott, had you seen that before?
Speaker:I had seen parts of it, but never a whole lot.
Speaker:Any thoughts that you're brave enough to let us know, or do you
Speaker:want me just keep wrapping on?
Speaker:I, I don't, I haven't seen any of the abuse or anything
Speaker:like that, that is copped.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:I'm not a, I'm not a real social media person or anything like that.
Speaker:Like I've got a Twitter account, but I don't go on there.
Speaker:I've got a Facebook account, which I go onto a couple of times a week.
Speaker:I haven't seen him get abused.
Speaker:I couldn't comment on that if he was actually abused
Speaker:and all that type of thing.
Speaker:I think that he'd be better off standing his ground and that sort of
Speaker:stuff and just saying, well, fuck you.
Speaker:I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker:I can imagine it would wear you down though.
Speaker:I no doubt he has copped a lot of shit.
Speaker:I've no doubt.
Speaker:I've no doubt about that.
Speaker:And I think, and I think that sky News is probably behind a fair bit of it
Speaker:too, you know, because there was some nonsense that was, that'd during the
Speaker:coronation they apparently counted up the number of times the Stan Grant was
Speaker:mentioned and all that type of thing.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So, you know, I don't know.
Speaker:I've no doubt he has copped a hell of a lot of shit, but I just
Speaker:think to myself, you're probably better off standing your ground and
Speaker:telling people to go get stuffed.
Speaker:But anyway I don't know what it would be like to walk in Stan Grant's shoes.
Speaker:You know, I am a cis white gay man, you know?
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:It's, I don't know what it's like to be anything different.
Speaker:I was born this way and all that type of thing.
Speaker:So as a result, I couldn't judge that.
Speaker:I imagine he's probably has been worn down over time and that type of thing.
Speaker:It's just one of those things I don't know.
Speaker:You know, I could understand him being very pissed off, but I do
Speaker:think it was probably better off if he'd stayed there and fought it
Speaker:out rather than actually walk away.
Speaker:I, I just feel he's given up more than you think.
Speaker:Oh, no way.
Speaker:He's honestly, I think he wants to come back as a politician.
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:There's no doubt about that.
Speaker:He's looking, use these options.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There's no doubt about that.
Speaker:And I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to get something going
Speaker:with the greens at some point.
Speaker:Well, he definitely would be aiming for a seat on the voice, for example.
Speaker:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker:I, I think he's angling for some sort of political role, cushy government role.
Speaker:I don't know, just some, something like that I think is
Speaker:what he would be looking for.
Speaker:But you know, the, the, so the things that struck me about it was, you know,
Speaker:sacred core of my being from Earth, from God, lots of woo in that and lots of
Speaker:vagueness on things.
Speaker:He says things that are so contradictory and, and silly.
Speaker:Really things like, you know, I'm not just responsible for what I do, but for what
Speaker:everybody else does, what you do as well.
Speaker:Honestly, how can you be responsible for what other people do?
Speaker:You're, you're, you know, this might be systems in place in the world.
Speaker:You just be totally beyond your control.
Speaker:It's a complete nonsense to say, well, you know, ge Jesus took on everybody's sins.
Speaker:So that's the obvious example.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's, it's setting yourself up as some sort of messiah thing.
Speaker:Like it, there's no way that he would apply that principle
Speaker:generally through life.
Speaker:And as, as if you blame yourself for dickheads abusing you on social media,
Speaker:take him responsibility for that.
Speaker:It's just a nonsensical, stupid idea mixed in with a bunch of.
Speaker:Woo and a bit of Jesus, Jesus thing.
Speaker:It is.
Speaker:It's kind of what's in there, isn't it, Joe?
Speaker:It's sort of, I find it quite unimpressive and I find it done as a way of trying to
Speaker:achieve gravitas that just isn't there.
Speaker:It's, I find him quite shallow and he's really got a mindset
Speaker:of, well, I'm indigenous.
Speaker:My people had their land stolen and were abused, and that's my fight.
Speaker:And without recognizing nuance, he's a very, he's really into blanket
Speaker:statements of, of my people mate.
Speaker:There'd be a thousand different views in the indigenous community, but I
Speaker:just don't ever hear him acknowledging the nuance of the different views.
Speaker:There's a thousand different views in the white community,
Speaker:but we're all just to stand.
Speaker:It's all black.
Speaker:It's all white.
Speaker:Well, his, his, his mother was white.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So does he then say, my community for the white people?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:And, and, and, and, and try to speak for the white people.
Speaker:No, I find him quite divisive.
Speaker:I find him referring to my people as special.
Speaker:And when you talk about my people have a can teach the world how to love.
Speaker:Well I just thought that was a religion.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, what, what The rest of us dunno how to indigenous people
Speaker:have a special ability to love.
Speaker:Well, no, no.
Speaker:I indigenous people, Christians don't have, because, you know,
Speaker:Jesus was love and therefore all Christians couldn't teach the world.
Speaker:You know, when you, when you make a statement that's positive about
Speaker:one group, it's potentially negative about the groups that you omit.
Speaker:And you know, if I was to say white people could teach indigenous people
Speaker:about how to love, what would you think?
Speaker:Bloody racist.
Speaker:But when it's flipped the other way, oh that's all acceptable.
Speaker:But it's not acceptable.
Speaker:It's divisive.
Speaker:It's setting up indigenous people as different to the rest.
Speaker:He evokes Martin Luther King there, but Martin Luther King was about
Speaker:drawing everybody into the tent.
Speaker:He was about equality, not about special rights.
Speaker:He was just trying to get black people the same rights as
Speaker:white people, not extra rights.
Speaker:And he was saying, we're all the same.
Speaker:Your skin doesn't matter.
Speaker:It's the content of your character.
Speaker:He, he's sort of drawing on Martin Luther King trying to set himself
Speaker:up as some Martin Luther King.
Speaker:And the Christianity goes hand in hand with that as well.
Speaker:There's Martin Luther King being a preacher.
Speaker:Martin Luther King wasn't exactly a a aling He practice what he preached.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Let bit's what you're saying.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I just find him, I no doubt his intentions are, are honest and he wants to help.
Speaker:You know, he's, he's made a very simple decision in life about
Speaker:indigenous people, downtrodden, fight for indigenous people, special
Speaker:rights without really understanding how best to go about it and drawing
Speaker:everybody in together for equality.
Speaker:And the other thing, of course, zero mention of class.
Speaker:So, So I find that, you know, in the comments that have happened,
Speaker:people talk about him having acted with grace and good on you, Stan.
Speaker:And okay, I can, I can feel sorry for the guy for having been subjected to abuse
Speaker:and that just shouldn't happen of course.
Speaker:But he's not beyond criticism and his role for the indigenous community
Speaker:I don't think is helpful and I don't find him impressive at all.
Speaker:But hey, that's just me.
Speaker:So that was sort of my thoughts on, on it.
Speaker:Yeah, I, I, I find he makes broad statements that just are nonsensical
Speaker:and, and papers over it with, with Woo and Christianity and spiritualism and.
Speaker:And then walks away.
Speaker:Like I read the articles, various articles that he writes, and it's
Speaker:just a mishmash of ideas that don't actually run together very well.
Speaker:So the people who think he's the Deepak Chopra, yes.
Speaker:There is a lot of, yes, there is a bit of that in it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's so slippery.
Speaker:It's like nailing smoke to the wall.
Speaker:So yeah.
Speaker:Look through my notes of different things that we've said about Stan in the past.
Speaker:One idea I, or one thing I just came across recently was like the guy's
Speaker:quite a hawk when it comes to China.
Speaker:So there was an article that he wrote about China and there was a
Speaker:review of it by a guy called mobo.
Speaker:G a o.
Speaker:Anyway, that guy is an academic, written lots of books and
Speaker:papers about Chinese studies.
Speaker:He's about the cultural revolution, remembers rings, socialist China, the
Speaker:history of China, and his latest book Constructing China Clashing Views
Speaker:of The People's Republic Examines how and why different categories of
Speaker:people have different views of China.
Speaker:So that guy looked at one of Stan's articles on China and he made the point
Speaker:that, you know, we've got problems in our relationship between Australia and China.
Speaker:What we really need is good understanding of the issues to help
Speaker:us sort out our mess with China.
Speaker:And he says, you know, Stan Grant's recent article demonstrates that our media's
Speaker:knowledge of China is less than adequate.
Speaker:So he says so the reason why he looked at Stan Grant's article
Speaker:was that firstly, Stan Grant is an articulate and experienced
Speaker:journalist with an international profile and a respectable reputation.
Speaker:Secondly, he's actually worked in China.
Speaker:Stan Grand, he worked for cnn, lived in Beijing 2005 to 2008,
Speaker:and then again from 2010 to 2013.
Speaker:And he's been prominent talking about China in the abc SBS hosted q and
Speaker:a, which often talks about China.
Speaker:And he was also part of the ABC China Tonight program.
Speaker:And in the essay that this guy's criticizing, that Stan Grant
Speaker:wrote grant states that rice.
Speaker:Sits at the heart of understanding China.
Speaker:According to him China describes orchestra as a race-based
Speaker:military block of white countries.
Speaker:Stan Grant goes on to declare the Chinese Communist Party is
Speaker:a deep racial consciousness.
Speaker:It is there in the reminder of people never to forget the a hundred
Speaker:years of humiliation at the hands of foreign powers of white powers.
Speaker:And this author says its common knowledge, however, that it was the white West that
Speaker:inspired China's Communist Party ideology.
Speaker:Carl Marx was certainly white, and Lennon and his colleagues who led the
Speaker:October revolution have always been considered white by Chinese people.
Speaker:And it's basically an article that criticizes Stan Grant
Speaker:for trying to understand.
Speaker:China's position as a racist position.
Speaker:He basically calls bs.
Speaker:It says bullshit.
Speaker:And I think Stan Grant is a bit like a guy with a hammer.
Speaker:Everything he sees is a nail, and for him, everything he sees is a race issue.
Speaker:This one was something we did, ah, would've been way back, maybe
Speaker:in the episodes, 100 to 200, somewhere back there, like going
Speaker:back five years now, I guess.
Speaker:And I lost the link, but I had the, had the, the the material,
Speaker:but I can't say who wrote it.
Speaker:It was an open letter to Stan Grant.
Speaker:It says, I am an Australian of migrant background and mixed ethnicity.
Speaker:I grew up in largely ethnic communities in Melbourne's north and have lived
Speaker:in Darwin and Townsville as well.
Speaker:I have observed you in the media making various statements which I personally
Speaker:take issue with, in particular, the divisive nature of your rhetoric and
Speaker:the monopoly on human suffering that you seem to claim for your people.
Speaker:No one in this nation denies the horrors that the indigenous people suffered
Speaker:at the hands of European colonialists.
Speaker:Nor does anyone expect you not to feel internally scarred by these events.
Speaker:The most important factor in a healing process is moving forward.
Speaker:Many of us in the migrant community understand things of this nature, and I
Speaker:would like to share some of them with you.
Speaker:It goes on.
Speaker:I must first address your them and us rhetoric.
Speaker:No, I think this is true.
Speaker:Like he talks about my people and them and and us quite a lot.
Speaker:I have observed you link the current circumstances of indigenous people to
Speaker:pass atrocities with statements such as.
Speaker:Well, so many of my people, aboriginal people, there is a deep, deep wound that
Speaker:comes from the time of dispossession.
Speaker:This author says, as if the tribalistic sentiments of this
Speaker:statement were not bad enough.
Speaker:You feel the need to foster guilt and resentment among people who cannot
Speaker:change the past as if this will somehow change The present circumstances
Speaker:of indigenous Australians fueling resentment does not lead to change.
Speaker:Only positivity in the face of adversity can do this.
Speaker:This is a tried and true method for the healing process.
Speaker:He goes on cuz in his statement he said someone's suffering was a scaffolding
Speaker:upon which he built your prosperity.
Speaker:Well that's what Stan Grant was saying about white people's prosperity was
Speaker:built on black people's suffering.
Speaker:And this guy is a migrant saying, hang on.
Speaker:I think that was a good article.
Speaker:It's in the show notes for the patrons who get them and just, not me,
Speaker:somebody else at least calling out the divisive nature of Stan's rhetoric.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I, the he refers to Morgan Freeman.
Speaker:I've seen the Morgan Freeman quote Yes.
Speaker:Where he says, black History Month.
Speaker:Why are we celebrating that?
Speaker:When's white history month?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:If we want, if we want to stop being racist, we need
Speaker:to stop talking about race.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:He says here, my sentiments are firmly aligned with those of Morgan Freeman,
Speaker:who when asked about how to stop racism, replied, stop talking about it.
Speaker:I'm gonna stop calling you a white man.
Speaker:I'm gonna ask you to stop calling me a black man.
Speaker:We've played that clip in the past.
Speaker:I might find it and throw it at the end of this podcast as a sort of a sign off clip.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:If you want to move forward, bring everybody together rather
Speaker:than keep pushing 'em apart.
Speaker:So just yeah.
Speaker:Constantly looking back, you're never gonna be able to move forward.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:If you've always got, if you've always got your, if you've always got your
Speaker:eyes on the rear view mirror, you're never gonna see what's in front of you.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And you know, I, I sort of make this comparison at different times.
Speaker:Like, my father was a prisoner of war Cheng prison, bur railway, the whole
Speaker:thing, one of the few to survive.
Speaker:I don't inherit anything out of that in terms of a, a claim of suffering.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And I don't have a, I don't inherit a grievance against
Speaker:modern day Japanese people.
Speaker:It was nothing to do with them.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:It's, it's, it's history.
Speaker:It's, it's not something that is to be blamed on the current generations.
Speaker:And in terms of, than it's not something for me to take advantage of
Speaker:as an inherited sufferer of some sort.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:I, I think we need to learn from the atrocities of the past and, and
Speaker:make sure they don't happen again.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:But absolutely.
Speaker:What were the circumstances that led up to that so that we don't do it again?
Speaker:Exactly right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But not as a, as a blame game.
Speaker:So, yeah.
Speaker:What else is there to say?
Speaker:The only other thing I'd say is he's not a good, he's a terrible
Speaker:compacter of that show Q and a.
Speaker:He interrupts people.
Speaker:It, it may well be that he's got that job because of his
Speaker:multiculturalism, if you like.
Speaker:Because it.
Speaker:Because it's not good.
Speaker:He's not very good at his job, from what I've observed.
Speaker:But he keeps getting azi for these different roles where he seems to me
Speaker:to be quite helpless and there'd be so many other better people to do it.
Speaker:But anyway you know, fixing historical injustice is a dangerous practice.
Speaker:Even if you do achieve it.
Speaker:Anyone looked at Israel lately?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean, that, that's I, I understand.
Speaker:I understand the feeling that the Jews said we can't trust
Speaker:another nation to look after us.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:We need our own state, but the idea that it had to be Palestine
Speaker:because God had given it to them.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And pushed out a bunch of people who were then living there already.
Speaker:And, and so, I mean, I know that the, the history of the Zionists,
Speaker:at one stage they talked about buying an area in the Pilborough.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yes they did.
Speaker:And also Madagascar, I think.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Well, Madagascar was, was Hitler's first plan was to dump them all down there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But I thought that it actually, that had some legs as well.
Speaker:And, and the Zionist, whatever, had talked to Australia and had
Speaker:got fairly far along the the road about building a, a land in the plb.
Speaker:So there were a number of places that were mooted.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker:And it's, it's one of those things.
Speaker:Had you, if you had your time over again, would you actually support the
Speaker:recreation of the state of Israel?
Speaker:I wouldn't because they have, Treated the Palestinians so appallingly badly.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:That I just think to myself, well, you bastards don't deserve your own country.
Speaker:If, if they had, if they were to do it anywhere, they should
Speaker:have done it in Germany.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:As, as, as retribution for the year.
Speaker:Yes, exactly.
Speaker:They should've, they should've carved out a section of Germany
Speaker:and said, but if you're gonna do it anywhere, Israel Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Because otherwise you're just dispossessing people.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Who have got nothing to do with it, essentially.
Speaker:At least in some sense, the, in some sense the German people would have to
Speaker:actually pay, they would've been German farmers or whatever, who would've lost
Speaker:their land, who had, you know, who were not sympathetic to the Nazi cause at all,
Speaker:and they would've been collateral damage.
Speaker:But this is the difficulty in Trying to fix historical wrongs when you've
Speaker:got several generations in between.
Speaker:Oh, but I mean, that was at the time.
Speaker:Yes, correct.
Speaker:So, so it would've been punishing those people who maybe not
Speaker:actively, but passively supported.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The Nazi rei.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I remember years and years ago I heard a, a interview with someone that had
Speaker:been a prosecutor, and he said one of the, one of the things that struck
Speaker:him was he said, well, there was this sort of glib sort of, conversation
Speaker:that was going across the desk.
Speaker:And they're saying, well, he was only responsible for two deaths,
Speaker:you know, and he said, you know, if you actually looked at the number
Speaker:of people that were responsible for two people being murdered mm-hmm.
Speaker:Then that was an incredible number of people that you'd have to.
Speaker:Put the gallies, you know, it was, yeah.
Speaker:I mean, look of the people who worked in the concentration camps Yeah.
Speaker:It was a minority, a very, very small minority that
Speaker:actually were even prosecuted.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:It, it was the worst.
Speaker:It was the most monstrous that got Yeah.
Speaker:Pulled up and the average guard was just ignored.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:You know, just back to this open letter, one of the things he
Speaker:says here was, nothing can be done about our past standard.
Speaker:It's not appropriate to judge a nation by its past sins.
Speaker:Every civilization has committed crimes against humanity at some point in its
Speaker:history, a far more accurate way of judging a society is by which crimes
Speaker:and bad practices it has abandoned.
Speaker:Reform and progression are what makes society great.
Speaker:And there was somewhere here I can't find it, but it was about criticizing him for
Speaker:his refusal to sort of talk about class.
Speaker:But I think it was in the China one.
Speaker:Let me try and find it.
Speaker:It's interesting pe people talk about how racist Australia is, but I was talking to
Speaker:an Indian colleague who said, you know, of all the countries he'd lived and worked
Speaker:in Australia was one of the least racist.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Really?
Speaker:Because so many of us are immigrants.
Speaker:I think it's not abnormal.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's one of those things like, you know, it's you know, the best
Speaker:merry guard hotel and that sort of stuff that was set up around a,
Speaker:a retirement village in in India.
Speaker:You know, and they were saying that they had to, they were talking about they
Speaker:had a telephone factory and that sort of stuff where they were call center.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And they were saying, well, they were used to hearing the Indian accent in Britain.
Speaker:And they were also saying exactly the same thing in Australia, used
Speaker:to hearing the Indian accent.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:You know, there's been criticism of the ABC for not supporting Stan grant enough.
Speaker:And Patricia Kavala, who's a mornings presenter was talking about the 150
Speaker:mentions in News Corp publications that were critical of Stan Grant and quoting
Speaker:a Max Walden who says, the sustained conservative media campaign included more
Speaker:than 150 mentions of the ABC's Coronation coverage in the pages of the Australian
Speaker:and on Sky News over the past fortnight.
Speaker:So they were very critical of Stan Grant and what he had
Speaker:to say about the coronation.
Speaker:Patricia Cavalli is saying, yeah, dirty Rotten News Corp.
Speaker:And Ronnie salting Twitter makes the point.
Speaker:Well, why on earth does the ABC and your program in particular
Speaker:insist on platforming journalists from the Modoc Murdoch outlets?
Speaker:The only way to send the message that enough is enough is to treat them
Speaker:with the same content they treat.
Speaker:The abc it does.
Speaker:My head in the ABC on panel shows continues to have news called Journalists,
Speaker:ipa, mouse Pieces, pontificating.
Speaker:I was listening to her Late Night Live again, it was talking about the G seven
Speaker:and how they had a quad meeting on the side, and she was like the political
Speaker:editor for the Courier male, the advertiser, the Daily Telegraph, and she
Speaker:was just spouting all these things about.
Speaker:Chinese aggression and the need for the west encounter it.
Speaker:There's no pushback at all by the presenter.
Speaker:Philip Adams was away.
Speaker:There was some other lady in charge.
Speaker:Just happens all the time.
Speaker:We was just accepted.
Speaker:Ah, yes, Chinese aggression.
Speaker:Gotta do something about that.
Speaker:Does head in ABC continues to invite news Corp talking heads onto their programs.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Peter Dutton came out and said some stuff about the voice.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Dutton said the voice would have an Orwellian effect where all
Speaker:Australians are equal, but some Australians are more equal than others.
Speaker:He described it as a symptom of the madness of identity politics, claiming
Speaker:it would re racialize our nation.
Speaker:This is quoting Dutton.
Speaker:The great progress of the 20th century Civil rights movement was
Speaker:the path to eradicate difference.
Speaker:To judge each other on the content of our character, not the color of our skin.
Speaker:He said, can we judge him on the content of this character?
Speaker:Yes we can.
Speaker:And he ends up quite poor.
Speaker:This voice as proposed by the Prime Minister promotes difference.
Speaker:It's got a good point.
Speaker:But people will say in response to that that this is just
Speaker:disinformation and misinformation, but there's, there's kernels of
Speaker:truth in what he's saying there.
Speaker:Well, I think the only thing he's actually got Aker Truth there was where he said
Speaker:that he's just gonna promote differences.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Which is, I understand that's probably the major complaint with it.
Speaker:So somebody at work sent me a, oh my God.
Speaker:The voice is just a slippery slope.
Speaker:What they're really after is and made all these claims and said, oh, there's
Speaker:this freedom of information request.
Speaker:So I looked at the freedom of information request and it's very, very difficult
Speaker:to read, but apparently it was a meeting of a group of aboriginals,
Speaker:sort of, he national committee.
Speaker:And there were some interesting things there.
Speaker:They were pushing that the statement about Australia was aboriginal
Speaker:first to white man came and stole.
Speaker:It shouldn't be in the preamble because then it can be dismissed.
Speaker:It needed to be in the body of the Constitution.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So, so there's some interesting things in there, but there's also,
Speaker:I think people have been picking through this, looking for things
Speaker:to take outta context and misquote.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And Dunton has been speaking shit about, you know, not enough detail and we
Speaker:need longer to talk about it, you know?
Speaker:Quite a lot of crap in there, but I'll give him something in
Speaker:terms of what he said there.
Speaker:The people who criticize him to say, oh, that's misinformation, but they don't
Speaker:really deal with the issue as such.
Speaker:And you know, you could say, yes, it does actually set up a re racialization, but
Speaker:that's a good thing in this case because of X, Y, Z and we just need to do it.
Speaker:That would be an honest response.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:But they don't do that.
Speaker:They just say, oh no it doesn't.
Speaker:But without ac just like little child saying, oh no, it doesn't.
Speaker:What they really need to do is say, well, yeah it does, but that's okay.
Speaker:In this instance dishonesty, I think in not dealing with the substance from the
Speaker:opponents of Dutton, I think the reason why I actually supported is because that
Speaker:You know, how tore apart Atsic and all that type of thing, he just
Speaker:completely got rid of it overnight.
Speaker:It would be a hell of a lot harder for them to completely dismantle
Speaker:this if it was in the constitution.
Speaker:Was ATSIC a good thing?
Speaker:Did Atsic need to at atsic?
Speaker:Ne atsic needed to be taken down a PEG or 12, but I don't think it was
Speaker:actually worth it just to completely destroy it and replace it with nothing,
Speaker:which is what they did, you know?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Let's just look at opinion polls.
Speaker:We've got support for the voice currently sitting on 59% against 41%, so that's been
Speaker:relatively steady for the last few polls.
Speaker:What's the margin of error?
Speaker:I dunno on that one, Joe.
Speaker:Because, yeah, quite often when they, when they poll prior to
Speaker:an election, they go, mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yeah, there's been a 3% rise and they're going, but the, the
Speaker:margin of error is plus or minus 5% and you go, yeah, I think so.
Speaker:In other words, it might not be a rise at all.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I think this is kind of a, a 2% one, I think commonly with the essential poll.
Speaker:So, still an essential poll.
Speaker:Moving away from indigenous matters for a moment or two, or perhaps
Speaker:for the rest of the episode.
Speaker:Support for the Republic.
Speaker:New topic, Scott.
Speaker:If there were a referendum on Australia becoming a Republic, how would you vote?
Speaker:54% say yes.
Speaker:They want a republic.
Speaker:46%.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Weak, isn't it?
Speaker:I think that
Speaker:I think that number will change as as the public gets closer and that sort
Speaker:of stuff actually, actually as the question and that sort of stuff gets
Speaker:asked more and more and they start to actually really reflect on it.
Speaker:The thing to themselves, you know, king Charles doesn't represent me.
Speaker:You know, they, they'll have a you know, there was a very interesting
Speaker:photo that the Australian Republican movement put up on Instagram.
Speaker:It was what was it called?
Speaker:The three generations of Australia's next head of state.
Speaker:There was Charles, William and George, is it?
Speaker:Anyway, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And they just had all three of them there.
Speaker:And I thought to myself, yeah, that's a bloody good point.
Speaker:You know, it's just all three generations are just sitting
Speaker:there right in front of us.
Speaker:You know, I think the government's feeling is let's deal with the voice before
Speaker:we're starting dealing with that public.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:And that is exactly what they've done.
Speaker:They've deliberately put this on the back burner.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, 54% in favor, 46% against Dear listener, if you were to think of gender,
Speaker:who do you think would be more in favor of a republic male gender or female?
Speaker:Gender?
Speaker:Think about that one cuz I'm about to tell you the answer.
Speaker:And according to this poll, at least males, 59% in favor female, only 49%.
Speaker:So the majority of females still want a republic.
Speaker:That surprised me.
Speaker:You mean still want to monarchy?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Still on monarchy.
Speaker:Thank you Jane.
Speaker:Yeah, that really surprised me actually.
Speaker:I, I thought it was much closer on that.
Speaker:I thought you'd end up at 54 at each, at each of them, but no you don't.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And the other one where they looked at it from an age basis,
Speaker:and this one makes sense.
Speaker:Yeah, obviously the younger people more likely to want a Republic.
Speaker:18 to 34 was, it was 60%.
Speaker:But in the 55 plus category only 46% want a republic.
Speaker:So, younger ones want a republic, older ones don't.
Speaker:And the final breakdown in this was by voting intention.
Speaker:So, again, no surprises here.
Speaker:Greens voters, 71% want a republic.
Speaker:And the coalition voters, only 39% want a republic.
Speaker:The labor and the other independents, 60% and 62%.
Speaker:So no surprise on that one.
Speaker:The gender one was a surprising one.
Speaker:So, a, a coalition voter, old and female is a candidate for wanting to keep the.
Speaker:I mean the, the minor parties Yes.
Speaker:Slash Independence.
Speaker:You've got such a broad political spectrum in there.
Speaker:Correct.
Speaker:You've got you've got One nation and you've got, yeah.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Now one nation you would expect would be supporting of the, would
Speaker:be supportive of the monarchy.
Speaker:I would say so, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Dear listener, if you are listening to this podcast on your app, you
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Speaker:What else have I got here?
Speaker:That's it for essential poll.
Speaker:It was a Republic nice article from John Menardo himself in the John
Speaker:Menardo blog, which I continue to really enjoy and support with a donation.
Speaker:At the moment, Australia trying to revive its trade with China
Speaker:and he just makes the point.
Speaker:How can we, on the one hand be involved in all these discussions
Speaker:with the usa where we're saying the biggest enemy we've got is China.
Speaker:We've gotta buy all this stuff cuz they're gonna invade us.
Speaker:And then on the other hand talk about how important it is that we
Speaker:are friends so that we can trade.
Speaker:And just the duplicity of it.
Speaker:He says there is a massive contradiction between stabilizing our trade
Speaker:relations with China and our casting of it as a mortal military threat.
Speaker:That position is not sustainable.
Speaker:We are planning to support an American War on China, yet expect China to
Speaker:remain a loyal trading partner.
Speaker:Penny Wong and Don Farrell can hardly keep saying they are stabilizing the
Speaker:relationship with China when Richard Miles is out there almost every day,
Speaker:dog whistling about the China threat.
Speaker:But perhaps he's been on the Washington Drip feed so long, he doesn't
Speaker:understand the immense contradiction in our relations with China and
Speaker:the enormous risks we are running.
Speaker:So, nice article there from him just talking about sanctions.
Speaker:So bit of a statistic that in the 1960s only 4% of countries were subject to
Speaker:sanctions from the US in, and Today.
Speaker:Oh.
Speaker:So the us eu today, 27% of countries are subject to sanctions.
Speaker:So since 1960 4%, today, 27%.
Speaker:And they're not just mire countries, they actually account
Speaker:for 29% of the world's gdp.
Speaker:So the country's producing almost a third of the world's GDP are subject
Speaker:to sanctions from the US and other countries, most of which are illegal.
Speaker:So that's going on at the same time.
Speaker:What else have I got?
Speaker:It came out about Price Waterhouse.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There was firm disgusting thing.
Speaker:Given confidential information about what international tax Dodgers
Speaker:are doing and asked to provide consultancy advice for the government.
Speaker:And then the partner involved in it uses that confidential information to
Speaker:then advise multinationals how to get around the laws that they're actually,
Speaker:that they had, that they consulting on.
Speaker:They got they got paid a consultancy fee to help design.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Ah, it's just shocked to tell you.
Speaker:Shocked.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's, you know, surely this would be the wake up call for
Speaker:the government thinking itself.
Speaker:We've gotta actually reinvest in our public service.
Speaker:Indeed.
Speaker:And in this article, it, it just in terms of dollar figures, so for 20 21,
Speaker:20 22, Australia spent 21 billion on external contractors and consultants.
Speaker:21 billion.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:That's equivalent to 54,000 full-time workers and the actual number
Speaker:of public servants is 144,000.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, so more than a third of the cost of our regular payroll was spent on
Speaker:these consultants who are overpaid and they produce reports that are withheld
Speaker:from us that we don't even get to see.
Speaker:They're not accountable for them.
Speaker:If the report doesn't say what people want, it gets shelved.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Pwc, kpmg, EY, and Deloitte are just raking in money.
Speaker:And and then on the flip side, charging clients and advising
Speaker:them how to get around the laws that they're consulting on.
Speaker:Outrageous.
Speaker:Will this labor government do anything about it?
Speaker:No, probably not.
Speaker:They get too much in donations.
Speaker:Just pathetic.
Speaker:Just a little comment to Matthew James.
Speaker:I'm not wearing a paramedic eels journey.
Speaker:You see it's a car, Canterbury ugly or something like that.
Speaker:It's just a bit of everything, but thank you very much for noticing.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah, we'd be far better spending most of that money on a regular public servant.
Speaker:There will be odd occasions where you might need particular expertise, but
Speaker:you just pay more by using consultants.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:We see some crazy things in America with police violence and we think,
Speaker:how does it get to that stage?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Meanwhile, in Australia, we had the event last week where police
Speaker:tasered a 95 year old woman, she had her coming, she was 43 kilos.
Speaker:She was walking on a Zimmer frame and you know, apparently the she refused to drop a
Speaker:steak knife and they tasered her for that.
Speaker:If they couldn't disarm and deescalate without resorting to taser, then
Speaker:they shouldn't have the bloody job.
Speaker:They alleged.
Speaker:She advanced at them at a slow pace using a walking frame.
Speaker:She's five foot 2 43 kilos, frail, 95 year old.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And of course having been tasered, she's fallen, hit her head and
Speaker:sustained life-threatening injuries.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Outrageous.
Speaker:It's really bloody crook, isn't it?
Speaker:You know, it's, I suppose they're probably patting themselves and about
Speaker:saying, oh, at least we didn't shoot her.
Speaker:I think they've recognized they made a mistake, probably.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I look at groups of police in the mall or other places.
Speaker:Those guys are weighed down by so much gear and they're often overweight.
Speaker:I think how you, like, these guys have never chase anybody
Speaker:down and apprehend them.
Speaker:I, I had an argument with a friend who had been a cop in the uk was a cop over
Speaker:here about whether or not they should be armed because they're not in the uk.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And he said, oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:We need to carry pistols.
Speaker:He'd got involved arresting somebody and the guy had given him
Speaker:a kicking, managed to get him to the ground and given him a kicking.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:A and he was injured, severely injured.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:From that.
Speaker:And he said, if I'd been able to get to my service weapon, I would've shot the guy.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:And I'm,
Speaker:you know, you just, you're bringing a level of lethality into this mm-hmm.
Speaker:That just isn't available.
Speaker:And yet UK cops managed to survive without it.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Now I understand it's slightly different.
Speaker:Turn needs a distance.
Speaker:If you are out in the middle of whoop, whoop, you do need a gun.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But, Do they really need a firearm just for patrolling the streets?
Speaker:And that's, yeah.
Speaker:That's the difference.
Speaker:It's one of those things that I can understand that, and
Speaker:I, I agree with you there.
Speaker:If they're out, if they're out in the, if they're out in the moon, if they're out
Speaker:in the middle of nowhere, I think they should have easy access to a firearm.
Speaker:But do they need to actually brandish it?
Speaker:No, I don't.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:You know, anyway just in terms of police bashing mm-hmm.
Speaker:In Singapore, at Cheng Airport, a 40 year old Portuguese passenger
Speaker:attacked a robot police officer on duty with a luggage cart.
Speaker:In the end, he was sentenced to four weeks in prison.
Speaker:What's a robot police officer do?
Speaker:It was a picture of him.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:It looked kind of like, that robot in lost in space, a sort of
Speaker:danger Will Robinson type thing.
Speaker:I don't dunno what he was doing, but anyway, got attacked with a luggage cart.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:He remember Robert Kennedy Jr.
Speaker:And we spoke about him as a, I'm trying to forget him.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Won't be able to, I don't think as an odd one in that he was a sort of
Speaker:anti-vaxxer type with some crazy ideas.
Speaker:One of the disinformation dozen.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And I mentioned about his voice.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And how he kind of was almost Pauline Hansen like in the
Speaker:nervousness in his voice.
Speaker:And I thought maybe he's got laryngitis or something.
Speaker:But it wasn't, it wasn't an authoritative voice.
Speaker:And it was a bit of a turnoff for me in listening to him.
Speaker:And got a message from one of the patrons called just another
Speaker:Pinker fan who found this article.
Speaker:And according to ABC News, Robert F.
Speaker:Kennedy suffers from spasmodic, dysphonia, a specific form of an involuntary movement
Speaker:disorder that affects the voice box.
Speaker:It's not life threatening, but can affect one's quality of life.
Speaker:And the disease didn't hit him until he was 43.
Speaker:He used to have a strong voice.
Speaker:But as a result of this a mild tremble for a couple of years that's
Speaker:how it began, but gets worse there.
Speaker:We going, guys got, it's probably caused by a vaccine or maybe, maybe
Speaker:a vaccine would fix it, maybe.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You, if you ever meet an anti-vaxxer, tell 'em they've developed a vaccine
Speaker:that's effective against Chemtrails.
Speaker:Oh, okay.
Speaker:That, that'll watch their brain break.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:A vaccine that's effective against chemtrails.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:You know, the Victorian liberals are in a shambles mm-hmm.
Speaker:And dictated Dan's killing them.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And former Victorian premier Jeff, Ken has a solution.
Speaker:He's back to call to reinstate national service because this also
Speaker:came from the Victorian young liberals.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Scott, Am I right in thinking you were in favor of national service?
Speaker:Yeah, I'm in favor of national service, but that doesn't mean that I, you
Speaker:know, I, at that night and that sort of stuff, you were saying, what would you
Speaker:do if you were a benevolent dictator?
Speaker:And I said I would have a national service, but I would not allow
Speaker:conscripts to a serve abroad.
Speaker:And I also said that you were also saying that you were talking about
Speaker:education and that type of thing.
Speaker:I also agreed with you on the education.
Speaker:So if you've got a very strong education system and that type of thing, then
Speaker:it shouldn't matter that if you've got to actually go and do one or two
Speaker:years in the military at the end of your school and career and that type
Speaker:of thing, that wouldn't be a problem.
Speaker:So do you think it's a winning policy for the for the league in Victoria?
Speaker:No, it's, it's not because, you know, it's I had to agree with the boys
Speaker:from the TU advocate where the other morning when I was listening to 'em
Speaker:though, said that this is a, something the young liberals have decided to do.
Speaker:So force people to actually spend time with them.
Speaker:Well, the question is who's gonna pay for it and what are they gonna do?
Speaker:Well, it's, it's one of those things you've gotta actually, it would
Speaker:actually cost a fair bit of money.
Speaker:So you'd have to have a very long conversation with the
Speaker:taxpayer and that type of thing.
Speaker:You'd have to, you'd have to accept it that it was paid for by the Commonwealth,
Speaker:and the Commonwealth would have it, that that would, it would actually cost the
Speaker:commonwealth a hell of a lot of money.
Speaker:Then you'd have to have an argument, you know, do you have it for six
Speaker:months, 12 months or two years?
Speaker:And I also agree that it should be men and women, cuz I do not believe
Speaker:that you should be, that you should be saying that it's only for the men.
Speaker:I think they're trying to argue, I think they're trying to argue it'll save money
Speaker:because it's likely to reduce the number of Australians on unemployment benefits
Speaker:somehow, because they're gonna be taught.
Speaker:It going crazy.
Speaker:How, how the only way it's gonna actually lead to a reduction in unemployment
Speaker:is if you have a number of blokes and that sort of stuff that complete their
Speaker:military service and that type of thing.
Speaker:And I think Jim says this is in a bad life, I might stay in the military.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:You know, it, it could happen.
Speaker:You know, it's one of those things my old man had to do it too back in the
Speaker:days when they called it the citizens military force, the old cmf, you know?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It didn't hurt him, did it?
Speaker:Made a man of him.
Speaker:I dunno about that.
Speaker:But it's just one of those things.
Speaker:He had to do it.
Speaker:And I think it was back then he had to do six months full-time.
Speaker:And then after that they went into the, went into the reserves after that.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Otherwise known as the sas?
Speaker:No, the SAS is the, is the Special Air Services.
Speaker:The reserves are known as the SAS cuz they fight on Saturdays and Sundays.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Fair enough.
Speaker:You're so cryptic Joe.
Speaker:At times.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:I've got couple.
Speaker:I, I do not agree with Jeff, Ken there because I think Kenneth's just he's the
Speaker:human headline and all that type of thing.
Speaker:He's just trying to make a name for himself regardless of the fact
Speaker:that he's no longer got a name.
Speaker:It's the only, it's only, it's a policy that's strictly only
Speaker:possible for a benevolent dictator.
Speaker:He hasn't gotta worry about winning an election.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:You've got this a good idea.
Speaker:Thwarted by democracy, Scott.
Speaker:Well it is cuz Finland has compulsory military service, as does the, as do,
Speaker:no, Sweden has only just got rid of it.
Speaker:France has still got compulsory military service and I believe
Speaker:the Netherlands still do too.
Speaker:And Germany as well.
Speaker:Singapore.
Speaker:In Singapore, compulsory, and Israel does too.
Speaker:Israel's slightly different though.
Speaker:Israel is, Israel is actually at war.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And Israel is going to continue to be at war because they're gonna continue
Speaker:to antagonize their closest neighbors.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Ukraine's got a team, sorry.
Speaker:Ukraine's got it as well.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, of course.
Speaker:Because they've just been invaded, so they've got no choice but to do it.
Speaker:It's one of those things I just, you know, South Korea according to Matthew.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:Again, with North Korea, just across the border.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I, I think there would be more value in a paid, formal SES equivalent.
Speaker:So an emergency service, a, a Labor Corps doing civil works and doing emergency.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I, I think there's probably, that would be better than training people
Speaker:up to be soldiers necessarily.
Speaker:Yeah, and you've probably got a point there.
Speaker:If you made the SES a compulsory thing that everyone had to do,
Speaker:that wouldn't be a problem.
Speaker:And then you could have a, you'd then, you'd then have this backbone of people
Speaker:that have been trained and that sort of stuff that could be called up and
Speaker:in the event of a flood or something like that, they can go down and help.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Other thing is you could just make it attractive so that
Speaker:people would want to do it.
Speaker:What the ses?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:If you need people for these things, well, they don't pay them right now.
Speaker:That's a volunteer.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But say for example, if you work in the public service, then if you take
Speaker:time off to do that work, you still get paid your public service pain.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:You don't eat into your sick pay or holiday pain.
Speaker:So Yeah.
Speaker:Which I agree with.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:I'm gonna call it oh James, you've just joined us and we're just gonna
Speaker:leave you James in the chat room.
Speaker:Andrew said in the chat room, apparently my dad in Nho short for national
Speaker:service, somehow managed to set up an illegal wine trade in the barracks.
Speaker:Here we going.
Speaker:We've got a few other topics we'll leave 'em for next week.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Alright gentlemen, unless you had something really pressing that you
Speaker:wanted to say, get off your chest.
Speaker:No, I don't think so.
Speaker:Already vented the national service, so there we go.
Speaker:Alright, here we go.
Speaker:Stan.
Speaker:Grant, good luck in your recuperation make with you putting, I'm putting money
Speaker:on him trying to move into some political role at some stage in the near future.
Speaker:See what happens.
Speaker:Alright gentlemen.
Speaker:Anyone out there.
Speaker:Thanks for listening.
Speaker:We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker:Bye for now, and it's a good night from me, and it's a good night from him.
