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Episode 372 - The Return of The Velvet Glove

In this episode we discuss:

(04:14) Lidia Thorpe

(23:10) Balloons Again

(26:19) Chinese Cameras

(32:59) China

(42:17) Seymour Hersh

(01:02:46) Ron DeSantis

(01:07:36) Native Species

(01:10:00) MRI and MS Diagnosis

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We need to talk about ideas, good ones and bad ones.

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We need to learn stuff about the world.

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We need an honest, intelligent, thought provoking and entertaining

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review of what the hell happened on this planet in the last seven days.

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We need to sit back and listen to the Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.

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Yeah, I dunno how long we, we've been playing that intro.

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You need to sit back and listen to the Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.

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And for a long time now, it's been the listening to the Iron Fist and a bunch of

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other characters, not the Velvet Glove.

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And I'm pleased to say to you, listener that returning to the fold,

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the prodigal son himself Scott, the Velvet Glove, welcome back Scott.

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Good evening, Trevor.

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Good evening, Joe.

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Good evening everyone.

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How are we all tonight?

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Yes, before we get onto your circumstances, Joe, the tech guy,

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, reliable as ever is here again.

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Thank you Joe.

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No worries.

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Well, what's your story, Scott?

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I mean, we've been waiting for you to get NBN and you finally got it.

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Yeah, I got NBN because I got NBN because I moved down to Rockhampton actually,

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so I'm now living in Rockhampton.

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Mm-hmm.

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. And it is probably still the arm, Peter Queensland, which I think is what

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you've described it as before, Trevor.

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It's not, you know, it could be worse.

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There are worse places for sure, but it's it's not too bad.

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I've gotta flatten everything up here and I'm not very far away

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from work and it's really good.

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The position was that Yeah, the last job didn't work out, so I've moved down

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to Rockhampton, so I'm Fair enough.

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I'm a little bit closer to the better half . We see each other twice a month now

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rather than once a month, which is good.

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Yeah.

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Well that's a shame it didn't work out, but at least now you've got NBN

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and you can be on the podcast again.

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So that's one of the silver linings to the whole thing.

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It is.

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I've got fiber to the node.

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Right.

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Very good.

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So it's working perfectly.

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And we're up and running again as the Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove podcast.

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We're gonna talk about news and politics and sex and religion.

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Scott, of course, you've been listening to the podcast religiously, so.

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Mm-hmm.

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, you've been hearing my views about China and America and other things,

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and I gather you've got stuff that you want to complain about, but no, I

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don't really wanna complain about 'em.

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Oh, I disagree with, oh.

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We'll get onto that.

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We'll get onto the disagreements.

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We'll get onto the disagreements later.

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Yeah.

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So, dear listener, if you're in the chat room, say hello, Brahman's there.

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Good on you, Broman.

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And Alison is there as well.

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Good on you, Alison, making your way into the Curia mail and an

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article, which was good to see you.

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You did very well, Alison.

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Thank you very much for that.

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That was really good article about religious instruction.

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Looks like there's a reporter there at the Curry Mail who's interested

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in the topic, so that'll be good.

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Hopefully would've put a bit of pressure on Grace, grace about that.

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So, alright, dear.

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We've got a bunch of topics we're gonna be talking about Lydia Thorpe.

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More balloons have been shot down, Chinese spy cameras,

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Seymour Hirsch and Nord Stream.

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You can imagine my delight when that story came out.

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. Surely when you saw that story, dear listener, you would've thought to

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yourself, Trevor's gonna enjoy that.

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And you're right, I did enjoy it.

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I'm still enjoying it.

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Scott, let's jump in on.

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Lydia Thorpe, who was the the Greens spokesperson for Indigenous Matters.

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And she resigned from the Greens because she wasn't

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necessarily happy with the Greens.

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Were obviously wanting to head to a position where they supported the voice

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and she wasn't sure she wanted to do that.

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She was more interested in being sure that sovereignty wouldn't

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be seated in this process.

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And so she had an uncomfortable relationship with the Greens

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policy and ended up leaving probably to everybody's relief.

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What did you think of that, Scott?

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. It's one of those rare occasions that I think to myself, I can actually

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understand where the greens are coming from because they've actually, they

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haven't actually said out loud, but apparently they've said it behind closed

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doors that they ought to get their seat back, but they can't because the

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seat belongs to her, not to the Greens.

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Now, she was elected on, I don't know how many votes or anything

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like that, but she didn't get very many for herself as an individual.

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She got them cause she was running under the Greens band.

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I can tell you, Scott.

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Yeah, go.

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Go for it.

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Yeah.

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Individually.

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So, dear listener, I'll just interrupt with a bit of background on this one.

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Scott is, of course, the Constitution establishes the

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mechanism by which we elect senators and speaks only of candidates,

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doesn't mention political parties.

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We have electoral laws that give two options.

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You can vote above the line for a party or below the line

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for an individual candidate.

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And in Lydia Thorpe's case, there were 40,174 personal votes below the line.

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Meanwhile above the line was 529,000 . So according to this article from

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Michael Bradley and Crikey simply she's in the Senate because her party

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got the votes that put her there.

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Yeah.

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And that's one of those things in there was also another article I was

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listening to on the New Daily podcast.

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No, not the new Daily podcast, the democracy Sausage podcast.

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And they were saying that that was where the conversation first

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started about the whole thing.

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It belong, the seat belongs to the party, not the individual.

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So that was the whole argument was where it was birthed there, and they were

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saying that, It was quite uncomfortable for them and that type of thing.

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They did everything they could to try and keep her in the tent, but eventually

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she said, no bugger, and I'm outta there.

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Then she has apparently come back and said that she will vote

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with the greens on environmental matters or matters of climate.

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So she didn't actually go to the environmental matters.

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She said Matters of climate, and that was a war that was about all

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that she was offering The greens.

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Mm-hmm.

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So that means that the Labor Party still gotta convince the greens to

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support them on the environment, on the on the climate matters.

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And they've also get po pock over the line too, which shouldn't be too hard.

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So that's not too bad for the for the Labor Party.

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Do you think that Lydia Thorpe is actually going to side with the coalition?

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No, I don't.

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I don't think that she's going to.

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Move that far to the right or anything like that.

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It seems to me that she was uncomfortable in the greens because

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they weren't left wing enough for her.

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So on left wing, on indigenous issues, yes, absolutely.

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Mm-hmm.

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, you know, and that is the thing that I think is going to turn around, bite

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her in the backside because she has the, said, the quiet part out loud.

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She has mentioned sovereignty.

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She hasn't actually said what sovereignty means or anything else.

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She said that's, that's what she wants is sovereignty.

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She hasn't explained what that's going to mean for us . What's not enough details?

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Not enough details.

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Is that what you're saying?

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Scott said she wants a treaty.

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Yeah, no, she wants a treaty.

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But you know, this is the.

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You know, everyone out there, you can throw rocks at me and call me a racist if

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you like, because you didn't get in line.

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Yeah.

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, you can all call all three of us racists if you want to.

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But you know, it's one of those things I just don't see how the

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hell you're gonna negotiate a treaty with a group of people that are

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not under any sort of sovereignty.

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They have lost their sovereignty.

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Their sovereignty was pinched when the British came and

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stole their country from them.

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You know, there's no point dressing it up, colon colonization or anything else.

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Their country was stolen from them.

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Mm-hmm.

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, you know, so that was where they lost their sovereignty, was when the

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British came and pinched it from them.

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So a bit like the Chinese and Taiwan.

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No, I should just give up.

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No, we're not gonna go there.

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It's been decided.

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So just don't reen that can of words.

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That's what you're saying, isn't it?

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No, it's not.

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What I'm saying is it is I'm saying that, you know, they have lost

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their sovereignty a long time ago.

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They haven't replaced it with anything.

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So who the hell are we gonna negotiate a treaty with?

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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There you go.

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Bromines got a, yeah.

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Allow me to play devil's advocate, but, and thank you prom.

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When New Zealand managed to negotiate a treaty with their indigenous

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people, Scott, their, their indigenous people were represented by a king

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or queen or something like that.

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So they had someone they could negotiate with.

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We don't have anyone like that over here.

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We've got a group of people that are tribes that, you know, they are all

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from the same indigenous background.

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They don't all speak the same language as they do and as the MAs

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do speak their own language, you know, they've got different languages

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for different parts of the country

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. So who the bloody hell are

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I'm against the treating myself, but the reasons you're giving are not the

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best ones I've heard, I have to say.

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Fair enough.

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And that's fine.

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Cause what you seem to be saying is, is that if there was a king or

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queen around, that would be quite useful and it would've been, it would

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be legit, it would be legitimate.

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Right.

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Or, or an elected leader had, sorry, e even a democratically elected leader.

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Yes, exactly.

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If you had someone that was elected , or someone that was born in, born to be

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in that lead, you have someone that you could negotiate with, right?

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You've got no one like that.

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What if you got a culture that doesn't have leaders, that

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just has a, has an elder group?

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And doesn't have a leader, like you're, you're imposing a western system of

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negotiation that people who may from all, but then, well, then they would say, well,

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we've got this group and we've, we, we are gonna amalgamate all these people.

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No worries.

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That's described by Marcia Langton in her mm-hmm.

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in her, I'm just playing devil's advocate here, by the way.

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Yeah, no worries at all.

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But if you can, if you can get a group of people together like that

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to actually be a, why haven't they done that representative body, then

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you've got someone that we can talk to.

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Isn't, isn't that what that wasn't it Maca or what was, it wasn't that statement

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called, that was Macata Commissioner.

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Yeah.

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Isn't that thought was something to do with truth telling, wasn't it?

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Yeah.

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But isn't, isn't that, and, and the Marcia Langton document and all that,

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really just an amalgamation of the tribal elders saying what they want.

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Okay.

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I haven't read anything.

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Marcia Langton has the, or whatever it's called.

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I'm very sorry.

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I haven't read anything Marcia Langton has written, so I am very

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ignorant on that, so I can't comment.

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There we go.

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Brahman, I beat you to it.

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See, Brahman just chipped in.

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She was typing.

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She wrote, you might be able to negotiate with an elected group.

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What shall we call it?

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I I How about, oh, I don't know.

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A voice

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Well, you can call it that.

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Just, just don't intro it in the Constitution.

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Why wouldn't you en No, but see that's, that's the whole point.

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Okay.

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If we can go into the voice now.

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Yeah.

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Obviously we're heading down a rabbit hole here now, so this is a good reintroduce.

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This is a good reintroduction of the Velvet Glove.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Cause I just, I don't, I don't follow your, I don't follow my scripts.

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You got written down exactly my own way.

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Yeah.

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The voice, the voice in itself.

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I don't have a problem with it going in the constitution because that

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will, that will, that will stop the Tories ever destroying atsic again.

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You know, which is what the Tories did they to, they came into office

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and they, they stripped away asic and stripped its funding and got rid of it.

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Mm-hmm.

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. . Now that was Atsic had its own problems, but it was very brutal

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what the coalition government did.

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Then they just tore it down and threw it out and didn't replace it with anything.

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This way you are never gonna be able to do that because it's in the constitution.

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So you've gotta get a, you are gotta get the majority of votes in the majority

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of states to actually get rid of it.

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So that's not a problem.

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Putting it in the constitution doesn't worry me.

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Mm-hmm.

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, where I'm headed with the voice thing right now is that I was very much, yes.

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Very much in favor of it.

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Now I'm not so sure.

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And, and Olivia Thor is partly behind your Yes.

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Your recent hesitation Yes.

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Because of this sovereignty issue.

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Well, the, the sovereignty thing, you know, she won't explain what sovereignty

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actually means and what's says she, what the suggestion gonna cost.

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It is going to be very expensive if you want to compensate

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them for past crimes . Mm-hmm.

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, it would be extraordinarily expensive to compensate them.

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Mm-hmm.

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for that type of thing.

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Mm-hmm.

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. Now, diva then think that we should ignore that.

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No, I don't, I do believe that there should be some sort of, I can think

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it's called the Macata commission.

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That's where they were going to sit there and they were gonna tell

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the truth about what happened.

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And I have absolutely no problem with that because to the best of

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my knowledge, none, none of my four bears were involved in that.

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If they were, I am not, I do not believe in intergenerational

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guilt or anything else.

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So I do not believe that it was passed down to me through any sort of

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val genetics or anything like that.

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Mm-hmm.

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, so I've got no problem with that.

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, I do believe that we do have to have that sort of conversation, a very frank

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conversation with with everyone in the country so that everyone understands what

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was done, who did what, and who did whom.

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And I think that is very good thing to do.

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I also don't have a problem with the war Memorial , going to have

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some sort of what's it called?

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The the displays from the frontier wars.

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I think they're a very good idea that we actually end up going there.

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We can start having that conversation with the population so that

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we understand what was done.

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Now then, I dunno, where you then go from that?

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Do you allow that sort of thing?

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You know, when you, when you start saying the big C word,

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then it gets very expensive.

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What's the big C word?

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Compensation.

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Oh, right, okay.

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The other C word.

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Okay.

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No, there is another C word, which I won't use, but Cancer.

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Yeah, sorry.

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Cancer.

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Yeah.

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That's usually so, so let me get it straight.

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At this stage, if there was a vote tomorrow, I would probably vote.

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I would probably vote yes by tomorrow.

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If I, if I had to make, if I had to make a choice tomorrow, I'd vote yes.

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But I do understand what you're saying about it.

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I do understand, you know, you were saying that you think it's racist because it

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gives, it gives people inherited rights.

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I agree with you.

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It does give people inherited rights.

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Well, and also it separates people by skin color.

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It does, for sure.

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And even then you need, at what stage do you then say, you know, at, at what

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stage do you then say, you know, your 15% Aborigine background doesn't wipe

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out the other 85% of your background.

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Mm-hmm.

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That's tricky.

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. It is extraordinarily tricky.

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I mean, at what stage do you actually say you are not black enough?

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Mm-hmm.

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, you know, and that is a very difficult thing for anyone to actually say.

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Mm-hmm.

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. And it does make me sound terribly racist by saying it, you know, now I'm

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not, I don't consider myself racist.

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Mm-hmm.

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, you know, now if you were to really sit down and have a conversation

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with me, I'm no doubt someone would be able to pull something

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apart and say, oh, you are racist.

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Well, maybe I am, but I don't consider myself to be racist.

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It's one thing that it's one thing that I don't know, it's

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just a very difficult thing that we're gonna have to come across.

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We're gonna have to, we're gonna have to deal with as a country.

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And that is why I believe that we are better off not ignoring what

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happened, but if we can somehow, move forward as a country with

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our eyes on the future rather than always looking in the review mirror.

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I think that would be better.

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Mm-hmm.

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? Yes.

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Well, you know, personally I find it a divisive issue because discussions

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like this always end up in them and us.

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Yeah, I agree.

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And it's, it encourages a division based on skin color and categorizing

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of people based on skin color.

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And really the problem is a class problem.

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And that's how these things should be addressed.

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And it should be, are you oppressed and in what way?

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And I don't care what your skin color is, that's the important part.

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Cuz ultimately there's some very successful.

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Indigenous people around.

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Yeah.

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Jonathan Thurston as well.

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And, and there are some white people around who are doing it really tough.

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And for me it's about class is the issue.

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And it's a strange approach that we have to some of these things.

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Like I keep thinking of the football where we have n R L games of LAX versus whites.

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And I think if you looked at America and said, let's have an NBA game or a, or

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a, or a or a football match where you have an NBA game, black versus whites.

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Well, could you, could you wrestle up enough whites?

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Exactly.

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The idea of a blacks versus whites sporting encounter

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in the us it's laughable.

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It wouldn't happen.

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Yeah.

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They'd go, what?

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That's not bringing people together.

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Mm-hmm.

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. And yet that's what we are doing here.

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These, these things are not bringing people together so.

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Yeah.

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Host of reasons like that.

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There will be an episode.

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Dear listener, this is all just little teases because , there will be an

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episode which will be the definitive, every, every single argument knock down.

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Yep.

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Argument.

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That's it.

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The full, I think we should have Bronwyn involved with that because Yeah.

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You know, because she said no.

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The voice will simply be a group representing indigenous people

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with which the government cons consult when developing legislation

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that affects indigenous people.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Fair enough.

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But Bronwyn in, you know, one of the areas of the law that I have a reasonable

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understanding of is the Income Tax Act.

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Now, the Income tax Act is, is set up by the Commonwealth government and it doesn't

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make any reference to indigeneity or not.

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Would they have to consult the, would they have to consult with this group of people?

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Because that legislation would affect indigenous people.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if, if it disproportionately affects indigenous people by taxing

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something or not giving a, a, a grant for something that would majorly

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affect indigenous people, then yes.

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You would be consulting on that.

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Hmm.

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This is like the critical legal theory where, okay, you pass a law that is

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particularly harsh on public drinking doesn't mention that black or white.

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It just so happens that the majority of people who are then charged

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with that crime happen to be black.

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Yeah.

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It's systemically racist, even though it's not said to be racist, you know?

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But my, you know, the thing that I would say in response to what

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Brahman has written there, my first, I'll just repeat it again.

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The first part, the voice will simply be a group representing indigenous

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people with which the government consult when developing legislation

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that affects indigenous people.

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It presupposes that indigenous people all think the sign about issues.

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It's incredibly insulting.

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Indigenous people think the same, the voice is going to go, there

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are a range of views, and this is one end, and this is the other end.

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Here is all the middle.

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And guess what it, it probably very likely represents what the spectrum

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of Australians generally think.

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I just think the idea is racist to suggest or to imply that black people

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will all think the same and if they think differently like the rest of the

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community, then isn't that what our elected leaders are doing at the moment?

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If you were wanting, you were worried about representation of voice.

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Arguably indigenous people are overrepresented in the parliament

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compared to the number of indigenous people there are, and

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Asian people are underrepresented.

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If you are really worried about people having a voice because they're

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underrepresented, you'd actually have an Asian voice Parliament because

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their voice isn't being heard.

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But then guess what?

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I don't think Asian people all think the same.

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So when you go and consult them, you're just gonna get

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a variety of different views.

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So this, this is, I can maintain a consistent approach to this whole matter.

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And and that's where the women are under underrepresented, certainly

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not so much the liberals Labor Party more because the, the Labor

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Party has got basically 50 50 now.

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So yes, the liberal party definitely underrepresented by women.

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You know.

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Hello Sharon.

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How are you?

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Right.

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So, that's some initial thoughts on the voice.

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We will have a more extensive talk about it at another time.

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Lydia Thorpe has got you thinking anyways, got a little bit of hesitation

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because of the sovereignty issue.

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Yeah.

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It just strikes me that it's possibly gonna open up a can of worms.

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Mm-hmm.

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And Stan Grant, who you know, used to, has really plummeted in my estimations

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of him recently, has come out in said, he says, well, not all indigenous

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people agree on the voice, but the one thing we all agree on is sovereignty.

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And I thought to myself, you know, do they, yeah, exactly.

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It's just one of those things.

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It's anyway.

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Anyway.

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Right Scott?

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Balloon.

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Last week we spoke about the balloon that was shot down over the years.

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Yeah, that was a little bit of over overkill, wasn't it?

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And since then, dear listener, three more objects have been shot down.

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One of them over Canada, I believe, but it's the Americans doing the

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shooting and a lot of vague talk about what these objects actually are.

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They're sort of refusing to be too firm about what they are.

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Probably because they're just simply weather balloons and well, they don't

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really know that they're a weather balloon that was 300 foot wide and the

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end well is one of these 300 foot wide.

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I did not read that.

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Yeah, no, I didn't read that.

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We, no, no.

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We were sent a link.

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Really?

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Yes.

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With a 300 foot wide.

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Yeah.

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And, and, and the, the payload was the size of a small jet.

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Oh, okay.

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The balloon was Okay.

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The balloon was 300 foot wide.

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Yes.

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So the payload was the size of a small jet.

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Right.

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Which was the size of a bus type thing we've heard about.

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Yeah.

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That was the first one, like, yeah.

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Yes.

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I think, yeah.

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So, and apparently it wandered over missile silos.

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Yeah.

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But you know, they're asking the in different press conferences where

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they're talking to the military, and the military are saying, oh, you know, we,

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we can't really say at this point what the object was that we just shot down.

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So they're saying to them, well, how do you know that there wasn't somebody in it?

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It wasn't that sort of object.

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It was like, well, when your pilots looked at it before they pressed the trigger,

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you know, what did they describe it as?

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Ah, I don't have that information in front of me.

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Well, does it look like they'll, they'll have video.

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They'll know exactly what it is they don't want.

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They're not saying is because the.

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Answer the truth is uncomfortable because it's just a simple

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weather balloon or something.

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You don't really know that it wasn't a spider device.

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It could well have been a spider device.

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It could well have been a weather laid out on unlikely.

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It was more than likely a weather balloon I laid out on a table

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for display if it was anything.

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Why do they use missiles?

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Not a machine gun.

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That's what I like.

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I don't know.

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That was one of the things that I thought was ridiculous because they,

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they came out and they said that no, they fired side winders at it.

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Which is a, which is a missile.

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Yeah.

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Which makes no sense because I agree with you.

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They should've just used machine guns in the, in the front of their, front of their

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jets to blow the, blow the balloon apart.

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Well, isn't it easier just to launch a missile?

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is guided and you just, that way you can't miss.

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It's kind of embarrassing.

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You fill that off a few rounds and miss, isn't it?

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, I suppose, you know?

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Mm-hmm.

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. It's one of those things I just thought there was a hell of a beat up by the

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Republicans . I think Joe Biden was left with no choice but to shoot him down.

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Yeah.

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Just shows the insecurity of Americans.

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But David from is a conservative commentator.

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He said in a tweet if he shoots down one more balloon, Biden gets

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a giant stuffed Pikachu toy from the concession era like that.

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And Scott, not to be outdone by the US freaking out about a balloon,

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Australia decided to remove China made cameras from the war memorial.

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Yeah.

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The concerns the devices could be used for spying on the war memorial.

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That seems a little att So, you know, what if it was used for sp.

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You know, it's not around our parliament or anything else.

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It's around the war Memorial.

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Well, which is a historical, which is a historical museum.

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So everything that was on display in the War Memorial has already been talked

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about ad nauseum here in this country.

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It's been very much publicized by our historians.

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The Chinese already know exactly what the War Memorial is talking

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about, so one, no, no, no.

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It's West Spies go to have their secret conversations, , because

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no one else goes there.

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Yeah.

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I like the war memorial.

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I've been there a few times, so it was really good anyway.

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How long ago was that?

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Oh six or seven years ago.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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I quite liked it.

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You know, I think it there's a lot of glor glorifying of war by the sounds

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of it, and shows off tiny toys and sort of beats, there's no doubt about that.

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What a wonderful thing war is rather than what a tragic thing it is.

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Yeah.

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There's, there's absolutely no doubt about that.

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Mm-hmm.

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probably the most meaningful part of the whole trip was the I forget

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what it's called, but it's that main alleyway where you've got all the

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names up in, I think it's bronze anyway, the war with all the names of

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people who died fighting for Australia.

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Something.

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Yeah.

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You think yourself, Jesus Christ, that's a hell of a lot

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of guys that have been killed.

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Mm-hmm.

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. Now, the only good thing is that as you go through, Memorial.

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You can see the numbers of, you can see the numbers of conflicts have gone

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up, but the casualties have gone down.

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So that is a good thing.

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But it's casualties on the side.

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Yes.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You know?

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Well that's right, because you don't, the only ones that count Russian,

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Johnny Foreigner, you know, make me sound like a real racist here, but you

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know, it's just one of those things.

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It's just I understand where you're coming from, Trevor.

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There is a fair amount of glorification of it.

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Like you what jingoistic is, what it sounds like to me.

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Yeah, it is a little bit jingoistic.

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I preferred the older stuff like going through the second War and

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the second World War stuff, and the first World War was very, . Mm-hmm.

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, you know, that was they've got an old, that was, that was a tank outside the

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front of the Queensland Museum that was Maisto, which was a German tank from

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the First World War, which was captured.

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They've got another one of them down there . And they've also got one of those meit

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jets and that sort of stuff's down there.

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Do, do, do you walk outta the war memorial thinking to yourself, oh man, we

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gotta make sure we never do that again.

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Oh, well, I do because I actually think like that.

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I, I actually, because I walked out past all those names , so that was the last

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place I actually saw was all those names, and I just thought to myself, we've got to

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do everything we can to make sure that we don't get involved in another scrap Joe.

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You buy a Chinese security camera and you look at it.

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and you've got no way of knowing whether this thing is secretly

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sending signals back to China.

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Like we got no capacity to look at these things and work out.

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If there's some, usually they connect to a network and it

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would be across the network.

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They're phoning home.

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Yeah.

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So assuming they're behind a properly set up firewall, the chances are slim.

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Yes.

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And you couldn't look at inside the chips of these things and figure, oh,

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you couldn't figure, you'd have to, you'd have to destroy one, and then you'd

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have to hope that you got the right one.

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I mean, there was the story of the motherboards that were being assembled

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in China and one of the chips was not what they thought it was and had

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some custom firmware built into it.

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Right.

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. And that was a scare about four or five years ago.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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They suddenly discovered these motherboards that have been putting

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computers all over the place.

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And firmware installed by the Chinese factory that weren't on

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the original design specifications.

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Okay.

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So why, why by the putting a virus out there, if you can just Hunt literally

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sold a something into the motherboard.

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Absolutely.

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And, and look, the, the NSA were doing that to Cisco

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routers coming out of America.

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Right.

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Where certain places of interest were ordering routers through Cisco.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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They would be sidetracked during the shipping process.

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Cisco actually didn't have any knowledge of it.

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Ah, they were really, yeah.

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No, they were moved to a third party warehouse Right.

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Where custom firmware was installed.

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Right.

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Which even if you upgraded the latest and greatest version the back door

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still remained because it was physically on chips that were on the Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's why I was more than happy to say to Huawei when they were

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wanting to take over a 5G network.

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Yeah.

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Sorry guys.

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Too much risk, like let's just gotta draw a line somewhere.

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Yeah.

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And again, with a, with critical infrastructure, that is very

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different to a consumer device.

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Mm-hmm.

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. Yeah.

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So if, if someone can shut down your critical infrastructure you can imagine

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Ukraine in its current conflict, so much real-time intel is being passed by members

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of the populace back to military command with an app running on a smartphone.

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Yes.

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If the Russians have been able to just go throw the kill switch, all

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of that intel would've just gone.

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There was so much useful yeah.

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Basically the population.

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Yeah.

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Just the civilian infrastructure would be leaking so much information and already

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they're targeting power stations and Yeah.

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Heating things.

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you, you, you don't want to give your enemy the ability to

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cripple your means of production.

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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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. Yep.

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So anyway that's what's happened here locally.

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There's a tweet by someone called Go Lip, which said not to miss out

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on the frenzy over spyware fears.

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The Australian Custom Service decides to ban in all imports

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of Chinese made party balloons.

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Yes.

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Just, my, my guess is it's a choking hazard for small children or something.

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Was that the petit advocate?

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No, no, it's just some somebody tweet.

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Okay.

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Right.

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Scott, before I launch into Nord Stream and Seymour Hirsch, yeah.

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Do I say anything about China?

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Like just generally In my view, I've expressed over the last two, three

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years, I think you are probably.

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Ignoring the fact that you are dealing with an autocratic society that is a very

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much a top down command country, which you do exactly as the leadership tells you,

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or you find yourself in a Chinese gulag.

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And it's one of those things that I just feel that you are just a

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little bit too flippant with it.

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That's my major criticism of you.

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Okay.

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Because, and is, is China unusual in that or is it just

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like every other super killer?

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Nah, it depends.

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Like, you know, the United States, yes.

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Apart from Guantanamo Bay, you do have, you know, a very large adult

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population in the prison system, but you don't have a systematic.

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Well, I suppose you could actually argue that it is systematic that you do have

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denial of burial . So it's, yeah, it is fairly brutal, but it's not as bad as the,

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as the political control that they have in China, you can call Trump a Cheeto without

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being sent to prison, whereas Exactly.

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Whereas you see Winnie the poo, Winnie the poo, you can go to prison.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's one of those things, it's it's very brutal and I find it really

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disgusting that they have no knowledge of what happened in June, 1989.

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You know, they, the local, the population, it doesn't get told that.

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And is, and is that unusual in, that's the interesting, if you

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suspect that the scammer that is contacting you, is Chinese.

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Then you make references to June, 1989 and the monitoring software on their

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internet connection shuts them down.

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really That sounds like urban legend.

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Yeah.

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Sounds like urban.

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Sounds like this sounds like an urban, urban legend myself.

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But it's just one of those things I I find that really quite

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disturbing that they have got no clue what happened in June, 1989.

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Mm-hmm.

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Now, you know, there are all sorts of arguments that the the speech

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that Bob Hawk gave was full of errors and that type of thing.

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I don't know what the truth was, but certainly a hell of a lot more

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happened than what the Chinese government is prepared to admit.

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And possibly less than less happened than what the what the

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democracy protesters actually were arguing for what actually happened.

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It's one of those things, it's, I don't know where the truth lies, but the truth

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lies somewhere between those two points.

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That's, you only complained about what I've been saying,

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Scott, then that's not too bad.

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You're pretty much, I do think much full government with me if that's the case.

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No, not really.

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I, I , I can't go through everything, you know, I'd have to go back

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right through my original notes to find the original arguments.

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But, you know, it's just one of those things I think that I think

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someone's gotta explain to the CCP that they actually won that civil war

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and that Taiwan is now an independent country that lives on its own.

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It's developed its own democracy . It is independent of the people's

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Republic of China and it's got to be respected as an independent country.

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But they're never gonna accept that, are they?

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You know, they honestly believe that it's all part of.

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The hundred years of humiliation that they've gotta actually, they've gotta

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actually take Taiwan back to reverse the a hundred years of humiliation.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know, now it wasn't enough that, you know, you know, it certainly they,

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they took back Hong Kong, they took back Macau, which is fine because they

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were, they were leased to foreign powers

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. But it's just, I didn't have a

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It's just Taiwan.

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That is a very different story.

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It is in, it is, it is now an independent country.

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It, they speak the same language.

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They eventually have exactly the same food . But I think that China would

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should, would do well to understand that Taiwan is now an independent country

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and I believe that what would be very good is if someone could actually

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force them to the table and say you've actually, you've gotta sit there and

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you've gotta talk to your brethren.

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Chinese, you've actually got to.

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Extend the hands of friendship and that sort of thing, and they've gotta and stop

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the horrible things that are happening.

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Why?

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What are you gonna ask now?

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? Well, what horrible things are happening?

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Nothing.

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Well, okay, China, nothing.

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Like what, what is the terrible thing that's happening is China's simply

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saying, we reckon it's still part of China and we're not giving up on it.

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And that's it.

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Shoes at it from time to time, don't they?

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Yeah, they do.

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Shoot, they didn't, they don't actually shoot at the country, but they do actually

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shoot, they do actually shoot inside the territorial waters . It's just a hang on.

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But when they shelling islands off the coast is, is, I

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couldn't tell you about that.

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There's enormous cooperation between the two countries.

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People move from Taiwan to China on business and work all the time.

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I agree.

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Like all they've done is said.

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We still think you're part of China, but they haven't actually done anything nasty.

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No.

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Have they?

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But there is an argument that the, that the whole military operation

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where they keep encroaching on Taiwan, pulling back the last second

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. It could be, it has been argued before

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used to it , so that when the day comes that they're just going to not stop.

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They're gonna roll over them.

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So they're preparing military exercises, so they should stop doing that.

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Well, certainly looks like they're preparing to.

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But you don't know whether or not they are the fuck.

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Fuck is this ? I've got some iCloud thing that's come over.

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You too.

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Hang on a second.

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Jesus Christ.

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Right.

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I can't see you right now, so, you know, it's, it's my Chinese friends in there.

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Yeah.

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They could be trying to shut kicking in.

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Yeah.

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They could be trying to shut me up.

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You never know.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's one of those things.

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It's just that I, yeah, I, I understand where you're coming from, but you

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know, all, all that's done is said.

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We still claim that island.

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Yeah.

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And they've done nothing else, right?

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They've done nothing bad to Taiwan.

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No, no.

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Not yet.

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Haven't imposed any sanctions.

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They allow people free to move between the two, the island.

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It's, it's just a statement.

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Look, eventually Taiwan will come back into the fold when economically

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they see it as advantageous.

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You know, if it is seen as if it is ever seen as advantageous.

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Now, you know, that is right now Chi the Republic of China has got the virtual

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monopoly on the manufacturer of chips.

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Sorry, who has Well, the Republic of China.

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Taiwan, right.

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Does have that virtual monopoly on it.

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Yeah, but you were saying that earlier, Taiwan is officially the Republic of

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China and China is the people of Of China.

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People of China.

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Yes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Exactly.

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So it's just one of those things that yeah, but the chip

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superiority is coming to a close.

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Yes, it is.

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There's no doubt about that.

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Like the Yanks have already started to manufacture their own chips and

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the Chinese are looking at acquiring the equipment, that sort of stuff,

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to manufacture their own chips too.

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So, you know, that will probably be the end of Taiwan as a functioning.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Alright, well, we'll have time to talk about China over the

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coming weeks and months, Scott.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Just listening to too much.

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Monty Python.

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Wait, what's Monty Python got to do with this?

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I like chin Chinese . Yeah, that's, I don't have my soundboard here.

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No.

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Ah, where am I?

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Okay.

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Nord stream.

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Mm-hmm.

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Okay.

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I've gotta get another beer before you get started on that.

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Hang on a second.

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All right.

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All right.

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Well, Scott, you do that.

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Scott's getting a beer while he's doing that.

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I'll fill in with just some other administrative stuff.

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Let's see.

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Yes, go to the website.

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Oh, by the way, dear listener, so this, I, I edit the audio on the

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podcast episode to chop out the ums and hers using a thing called descript.

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And it's a little bit rough on the edges, but I think it's worth it.

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If you want to hear the ums and hers then.

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Watch the YouTube version of the show because that doesn't get edited.

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So that's something you can think about.

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And people who contribute through Patreon, they get the show notes

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through the Patreon system.

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If you are a donor through PayPal, then I put the notes into a Dropbox.

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And if you're not getting access to those and you'd like that, then let

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me know and I'll organize it for you.

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So, right.

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So Seymour Hirsch, also known as Si Hirsch came out with an article

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in his sub ck which was basically telling a story of somebody who was in

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Seymour or Hershey's words intimately connected with the whole affair as

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to how America actually went about.

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Blowing up the Nor Stream pipelines and that it was America who did

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it through a concerted effort.

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And so we're gonna talk about what he revealed and bef it's

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Team America that went in Yes.

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. And so that, you know, what does he say?

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And can you believe what he said and what does it all mean?

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That's a good framework of where we're headed with this one, but we need a

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little bit of a recap about just to set the scene as to what America was saying

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in the basically when Russia invaded Ukraine and what was America saying about

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the Nord Stream pipeline at that point.

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And you're gonna hear from to Newland, who was the number

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two at the State Department.

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And you're gonna hear from Joe Biden.

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Okay, this I'll just play this type.

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Here we go.

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I wanna be clear with you today, if Russia invades Ukraine one way or another,

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Nord Stream two will not move forward.

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If Russia invades that means tanks or troops crossing the the, the

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border of Ukraine again, then there will be we, there will be

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no longer a North Stream two.

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We, we will bring an end to it.

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But do, but how will you, how will you do that exactly?

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Since the project and control of the project is within Germany's controls,

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we will I promise you, we'll be able to.

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He was very confident.

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She was very confident.

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And at the time I'm looking at it, I'm going, why would you say that?

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Unless you.

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Thought that you were actually gonna blow it up yourself.

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Like how can these people say that, that they were bringing in to Nord stream

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with such confidence other than if they intend to blow it up themselves?

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There is no explanation when you hear those words other than Yeah,

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they were planning to blow it up.

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So right from the get go, they're pretty much seemingly admitting that

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that's what they're up to anyway.

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Oh, actually, and I've just got one more clip here that I'll play

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before we start talking about things.

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Let's see.

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This one here.

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Yeah.

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And this is when Nord Stream was blowing up and the Russians

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said, well, clearly it wasn't us.

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This is Joe Biden.

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It was a deliberate act of sabotage.

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And now the Russians are pumping out disinformation,

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In hindsight, well, just a lying character.

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Oh, okay.

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Seymour Hirsch, who is he?

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So from Wikipedia, born in 1937, and an American investigative journalist

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and famous for exposing, is it Mik?

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My Mik Jessica, my lie.

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I thought my lie Vietnam was, yeah.

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And the coverup of that, which basically was one of the

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contributing, major contributing factors to ending the Vietnam War.

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And his other major one was the Abu Gra prison and the mistreatment of detainees.

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He's got a really so stranger then basically Yes.

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Not afraid to spell it out.

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So for the Vietnam story, he won the 1970 Pulitzer Prize for international reporting

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and may maybe the Swedes extra item.

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Yes, yes.

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Put him in Julian Belmar.

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He also, yes.

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He won two National Magazine awards in five George Polk awards and he

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received the George Orwell Award.

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And when you think about living journalists who have revealed big

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stories, he's right up there as possibly the most, he's now Yes.

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, he's buying into conspiracy theor in as do Yes.

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If, for example, you were an insider to the plotting of

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the blowing up of Nor Stream.

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and say for example, I don't know that you were pissed about it because you

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saw it as a breach of ethics and law and everything that you thought America

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should stand for and doesn't anymore.

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Or, or if you read this story and you're upset that the president was a big mouth

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about your secret military operation, no, you're not gonna be upset about

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that cuz that was actually helpful.

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But we'll come back to that.

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You know, if you are wanting to spill the beans and leak a story on the

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entire planet, probably the first person you would go to would be

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Seymour Hirsch, I would've thought.

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Is there any other journalist that you might have gone to then?

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Greenwald.

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So, yeah, . So you know, if you had that sort of story, he's

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the guy that you would go to.

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It makes perfect sense that he would be the one releasing the story.

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So that's that point of view.

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And already what you've got is you know, minnows in the media trying to

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portray Seymour Hirsch as some sort of nut bag who can't be trusted.

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And he's a renegade and really trying to downgrade his reputation.

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So don't believe the story because Seymour Hirsch is an idiot.

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That sort of stuff is, is already going out there.

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In fact, on his Wikipedia page, very shortly after he broke the

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story, somebody went in to edit it and put in the first paragraph

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that he was a conspiracy theorist.

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And since then that has been re-edited.

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And so yeah, that's the sort of thing that happens even to somebody like SI Hirsch

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is working on his reputation so that people won't believe what he's reporting.

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So, and even like the Business Insider Newspaper had a headline like this,

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which was the claim by a discredited journalist that the US secretly blew up.

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The Nord Stream pipeline is proving a gift to Putin.

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So calling in, yes, calling him a discredited journalist and

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claiming that this is just a gift to Putin, so pay no attention to it.

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And so, s Hirsch's response to the smear campaign is, I've been told

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my stories were wrong, invented, outrageous for as long as I can

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remember, but I've never stopped.

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In 2004, after I published the first stories about the torture of Iraqi

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prisoners at Abu, grab a Pentagon spokesman responded by calling my

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journalism a tapestry of nonsense.

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He also said I was a guy who threw a lot of crap against the wall.

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I won my fifth George Polk award for that work.

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So, Probably a sign that he is on the right track is the smear campaign.

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And the other thing before you get into the detail of what he

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said was he released it on his ck.

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So, dear, dear listener, CK is kind of like medium it's sort of like a place

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for people to blog and you subscribe and pay money, you know, Patreon sort of way.

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So as Craig Murray says, it's a clear indication of the disappearance

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of freedom from our so-called Western democracies that si Hirsch.

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Arguably the greatest living journalist cannot get this monumental revelation

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on the front of the Washington Post or the New York Times that

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has to self-publish on the net.

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So that is a thing like really well-respected journalist breaking

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one of the biggest stories for years has to be done on a blog.

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Isn't done in a mainstream.

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Yeah.

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But you know, the important news is who had sex with who

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Or married at first Sight.

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. That's right.

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Yeah.

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So that's the sort of lead up to it.

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What did he actually report?

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It's quite a long, lengthy article as you can imagine.

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But here's the, the number of it is that the US Navy's Diving and Salvage

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Center can be found in Florida.

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The center has been training highly skilled deep water divers for decades.

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Last June, the Navy divers operating under the cover of a NATO exercise,

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planted the remotely triggered explosives that three months later

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destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines according to a source with direct

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knowledge of the operational planning.

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And he goes on there was a.

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Vital bureaucratic reason for relying on graduates of the center's.

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Hardcore diving school neithers were the divers, were navy only, not

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members of America's special operations command, whose covert operations must

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be reported to Congress and briefed in advance to the Senate and house

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leadership, the so-called gang of eight.

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So they purposefully used navy divers so that it wouldn't be reported to

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Congress if this is what would happen if they were using special operations.

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Okay.

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What else does he say here?

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So the Norwegians were complicit?

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Yes.

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So I'll get onto that.

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So America had real fears about Nord Stream.

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Hooten would have an additional and much needed major source of income.

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And Germany and the rest of Western Europe would become addicted to low cost

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natural gas supplied by Russia while diminishing European reliance on America.

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So he sets up reasons why financially and strategically America didn't

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want Germany and the rest of Europe getting cheap gas from Russia.

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And so he sort of sets up reasons for that.

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Skipping through a bit.

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So in December of 20 21, 2 months before the Russians tanks rolled into the

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Ukraine, Jake Sullivan convened a meeting of a new tasks force, men and women

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from the joint chiefs of staff, the C I A state and treasury departments, and

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asked for recommendations about how to respond to Putin's impending invasion.

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And it became clear to participants.

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That Sullivan wanted the group to come up with a plan for the

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destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines because this was something

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that the president really wanted.

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And over the next few weeks, members of the c i A working group began to

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craft a plan for covert operation that would use deep sea divers.

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And so throughout all this scheming, some working guys in the CIA and the State

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Department were saying, don't do this.

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It's stupid and will be a political nightmare if it comes out.

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Nevertheless, they kept going ahead.

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They figured out a way to blow up the pipelines, and essentially when there

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was a NATO exercise going on, that gave them a great excuse to have all

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sorts of naval equipment and divers rummaging around in that area where they.

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Put these bombs onto the pipelines and they didn't want

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them to blow up immediately.

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They decided they needed to be able to use a trigger and blow them

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up at some other time when, so it wouldn't be obvious that it was done

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just after they were in the area.

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So it was about three months time between when they attached the bombs

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and when they were eventually blown up and they were able to blow them up by

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flying over the pipeline, dropping a boy, which would emit a signal, which

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would then cause the bombs to explode.

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And it says here that Norma was the perfect place to plan the

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mission because the US military had expanded its presence inside Norway.

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And the Supreme commander of NATO is Jen Stoltenberg is served

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as Norway's Prime Minister and.

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Basically, Norway was a good group.

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They could be trusted to keep it secret at superb sailors.

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And the destruction of Nord Stream, if the Americans could pull it off,

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would allow Norway to sell vastly more of its own natural gas to Europe.

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So I think we mentioned last week, que bono who benefits, if

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you're not sure of who's behind something, ask yourself, well, who

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would've benefited from this action?

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And that all lines up with the que bono theory as well.

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So Norway likely, you know, well in this article site who's just

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saying they helped and they had technical expertise in diving.

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They knew the area and they had financial reasons for wanting it to happen as well.

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So let's see what else he's got here.

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It was the timing said all that and remote detonation and oh, now it's

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about the story when he was letting it out that I've gotta find that bit.

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So, you mentioned Joe, that they would've been annoyed that Joe Biden

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basically said, we're gonna, we have the capacity to stop the pipeline,

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which was sort of giving the game away.

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And according to this article that what did cause surprise and an annoyance

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initially, but it actually worked to their advantage because it meant that

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it was no longer a covert operat.

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Because they'd more or less admitted to what they were doing, and were

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therefore not bound by certain rules relating to covert operations.

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So let me just try and find Scott, make some comments on that while

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I'm trying to find this section.

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You got any thoughts on Nord Stream and the Yanks?

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Do you believe the story?

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What's your impression of it?

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Well, I would've hoped that the Yanks wouldn't do it, but it

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wouldn't surprise me that they did.

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It's the, you know, it's like I was saying to the other day, they're the only

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ones that have got the ability to do it.

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I hadn't, I hadn't known anything about the Norwegians, but, you know,

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that wouldn't surprise me either.

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It, it's possible the Yanks did it, there's no doubt about that.

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But would they have actually done it?

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I don't know if Donald Trump was still in the White House, I'd say yes, they did do.

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Do I believe Joe Biden did it?

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I don't know.

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He's certainly he's certainly got the ability to do it, but So

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you're, you are still doubting the veracity of the story, basically.

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Ah, you think it, it's just one of those things.

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It does seem so incredible that it is just one of those things that you've

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really gotta think long and hard about.

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But it is one of those things that I, I don't know.

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It's a possibility that it's right.

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I think it's all the Russians fault because had it not been for the Russians,

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if the Russians had never invaded Ukraine, none of this No, no, no.

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Would've happened.

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No, no.

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If they hadn't stoked up fear about nuclear power back in the sixties

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and seventies, Germany would never shut down its nuclear power stations.

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They wouldn't need the Russian gas.

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And therefore the Germans, the Germans shut down the nuclear

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power stations because of Fukushima more than anything else.

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But it's one of those things like, I mean, you know,

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I just wanna tell this bit that I was trying to find, I I found a bit.

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So yeah, where we had Newland and we had Joe Biden basically saying,

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one way or another, Nord Stream's gonna finish and the report is

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going, well, how you doing that?

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You don't control it.

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It's under German control.

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And he's going, don't worry about it.

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It's not gonna happen.

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So in this article it says several of those involved in planning the pipeline

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mission were dismayed by what they viewed as indirect references to the attack.

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Biden and Newland's indiscretion, if that is what it was, might have frustrated

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some of the planners, but it also created an opportunity according to the source.

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Some of the senior officials of the CIA determined that blowing up the pipeline

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no longer could be considered a covert option because the president just

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announced that we knew how to do it.

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The plan to blow up Nord Stream one and two was suddenly downgraded

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from a covert operation requiring that Congress be informed.

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To one that was deemed as a highly classified intelligence

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operation with US military support.

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Under the law.

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The source explained there was no longer a legal requirement to

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report the operation to Congress.

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All they had to do now is just do it, but still had to be secret.

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That's interesting.

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I find that part really interesting.

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Obviously it wasn't secret.

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Hmm.

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Well, but lots of it cut out a lot of people finding out still obviously people

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had to know who were in the planning of it, but just reduce the numbers.

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I found that part really interesting.

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You know, like I said, I hope Biden didn't do it, but it

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wouldn't surprise me that he did.

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Who do you think did it, if not the Americans, I don't know.

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Someone , who would be your next choice if not the Americans.

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Okay.

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Well, possibly the, the Youngs are the only ones that could actually pull it off.

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You know, if, if, if that's right, if the Norwegians were, were pissed off with the,

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with the Russian gas too, then they would probably have the ability to do that.

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But the Yanks are the only ones that have got the explosives and that type

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of thing to actually go ahead with it.

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I dunno, maybe the Norwegians have got the ability to blow it up, but

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potentially, but the thought of Norway blowing up a Russian pipeline without

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consulting America, . Yeah, it does seem, it does seem somewhat farfetched.

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You know, the thing that gets me about this whole thing is people have the

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temerity to say, oh, Russia did it.

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It defies all logic.

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No, cuz Russian did it.

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Yeah.

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So anybody who said, oh, the Russians did, it has to be immediately discredited.

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They're talking another language.

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So it can only be America and.

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Possibly the world's most suitable journalist for revealing the story

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has revealed a story that on the face of it, lines up and look, stranger,

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stranger things have happened.

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I guess maybe this guy's bullshitting si hurst and it didn't pan out that

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way, but I'd put a reasonable sum of money on that being the truth myself.

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I can't see any other explanation.

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Yeah, but you are very anti-American though, . Yeah.

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Yeah, because look, Caitlin Johnston agrees with me, Scott, she wrote

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an article and she said My sources also corroborate Seymour Hirsch's

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report that the US was behind the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage.

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And her sources are logic, common sense, and public statements

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by US government officials.

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That's true.

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Yeah, I know.

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Mm-hmm.

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Ah, okay.

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I didn't, I was gonna put in something here about Joe Biden

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on the State of the Union speech.

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Did you see it at all?

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If you didn't see it?

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I'll move on.

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I did see part of it.

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Mm-hmm.

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He apparently performed very well.

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You know, he's, yeah, he often looks quite daughtery and senile, but

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no, he's far too old for the job

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But in the state of the Union speech, I don't know what drugs

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he was on, but he was quite lucid.

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Yes, he was.

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So he put on quite a good performance and this talk of him going for

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a second term on the back of that, so boy, they're on anyway.

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Yes, indeed.

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Of the oligarchs.

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Yeah.

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So I mentioned Ron DeSantis last week, and I came across.

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Look, I don't even know much about Ron DeSantis, but you know much about him.

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Scott, he's a crazy right-wing nup job.

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He's he was an acolyte of Donald Trump . He's he's spending his

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state's money on shipping immigrant illegal immigrants to the blue states

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. You know, he's just a nut.

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He's a, and he's also, he was actually being investigated for kidnapping

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really, because potentially he lied to the migrants to get them onto a plane.

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They flew to Martha's Vineyard and then dumped him in Martha's Vineyard, and

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basically it was moving people across state lines under false pretenses.

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And so there, there's a criminal investigation being opened up.

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, ah, this doesn't sound right, this doesn't sound right because Profit Charlie Shamp.

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Had some good things to say about DeSantis.

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Really?

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I'll just show you some of this.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, he was also, we need to walk on DeSantis because the Lord is

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going to use him in a powerful way.

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Mm-hmm.

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I had had, several years ago, a vision that I went into where I saw

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tomb palm trees because that hair, and I saw one of them was planted in

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California, the other one in Florida, and I said, Lord, who are, who?

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What is this?

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These two palm trees?

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He said, this palm tree from California is Ronald Reagan.

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This palm tree that is in Florida is Ron DeSantis.

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He said Ron DeSantis, or Ronald DeSantis.

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Mm-hmm.

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is the second, has an anointing similar to Ronald Reagan.

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And I saw Ron DeSantis as a, as a tree of righteousness, that palm

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tree, and I saw it uprooted from Florida and brought to Washington, DC.

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and planted in Washington DC and as the storms came, he was not moved.

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That's right.

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There's, there's something about Ron DeSantis that we

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need to begin to pray for.

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Yes.

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We need to begin to look at, because his ultimate future is to have a position

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in the United States as the president and be planted in Washington DC and

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he would be like a Ronald Reagan.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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And you doubt that a country that produces that can can bomb North Stream pipeline.

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You just, you, they're good.

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How they can do this with a straight face.

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It'd be interesting to know whether this guy really knows that shit he's talking

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or whether he swallowed his own Turo.

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Well, it was backer wasn't, it wasn't the host.

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I dunno.

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Ah.

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I hear on that guy.

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Yeah.

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But I cannot believe there's still, you know, after everything

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we know about Ronald Reagan

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. Mm-hmm.

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, you cannot believe that anyone with a straight face would say

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that he was a brilliant president.

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You know, he, you know, I know he stood up to the Russians , but, you know,

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he was a nut . See, Scott, you don't have to throw people into gulags when

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you can control mines in this way.

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Yeah, I know.

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But it's, I'm just, I hate that.

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I hate that there for a bit of comic relief, but I think you're

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finding it too depressing.

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It is a little depressing because Ron DeSantis is also that fucking idiot

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that's gone through and he's, you know, he's the one that's behind the, don't

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say gay bill and all that type of thing.

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Mm-hmm.

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, you know, where he, he's actually trying to, The what's the word I'm groving for?

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He's trying to doctor the education system to actually, he's also opposed to critical

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race theory and all that type of thing.

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It's just, you know, and there was a beautiful meme that

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I saw today on Instagram.

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It was that little black girl . She was surrounded by what, sorry, hang on.

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Sounded like you were against critical race theory earlier on with

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the with the indigenous discussion.

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But, sorry, keep, keep going.

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No, no.

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I'm not critical race theory . I don't have a problem

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with it in the United States.

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I don't have a problem with it in Australia either.

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I just think that Sovereignty and that type of thing has gotta be

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explained to us before we actually buy it off more than we can chew now.

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Yeah.

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Sorry, I've diverted you.

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Sorry.

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No, it's okay.

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The and he's, he's just opposed to all that type of thing that he's actually

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trying to, and there's this, sorry, there's this beautiful thing I saw today

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on Instagram there, that little black girl

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. She was surrounded by white federal

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the desegregation of schools.

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Mm-hmm.

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And it said if this little girl can live it, then there's no reason why

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your little girl can't learn about it.

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Yes.

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You know, and that is very true.

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Mm-hmm.

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Hey Scott, are you all for protecting our native species against imported predatory

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species that are sort of, causing them to.

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I suppose so what I was too.

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It's a trap.

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No, that's exactly what I was just thinking about Indigenous

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was I was, I was in favor of protecting native species as well.

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Until I saw this.

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Australians love native animals.

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They're need to bring us joy.

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We've had a sad invasion.

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Feral animals who destroy the Center for Invasive Species Solution needs some help.

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Let's think of our environment.

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Ozzie Wildlife Pain is felt

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one verse more than enough.

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There's a special group.

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Invasion Species Solutions.

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Trust a philanthropic opportunity.

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Help native.

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A must.

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Philanthropic and corporate partners are invited to join in.

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Folks.

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Environmentalist, primary producers help them win purpose.

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He's up for it.

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Yeah.

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It is a national issue.

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C i s s really cares with new tools and good products.

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Invasive species won't be there.

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Al is that the governor General's wife?

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Yes.

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It's, it's like a school concert, isn't it?

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Everyone just goes, wow, your child's special

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Anything with the governor General?

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She gets, she trots herself out and gives a speech in that format.

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People have to listen to it.

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Yeah.

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I thought it was a setup with the, the native species.

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Were gonna be the.

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Indigenous people and the invasive species were gonna be white people.

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. No, I wasn't heading that direction.

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Eradicating to allow the, the, the native species to flourish.

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No, I wasn't heading in that direction.

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Just uh, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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So we first came across her, I think.

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Yeah, we first came across her because she would in the morning she would

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exercise while reading the Bible.

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Reading the Bible, yes.

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Yeah.

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So we can joke about American leadership, but that's what we've got going here.

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Oh look, a final one coming to the end here.

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Scott, have you ever had an mri?

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Yes, I have had an mri because I might as well tell the listeners and

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this also goes out to Sharon too.

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I was relatively recently diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.

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Mm-hmm.

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So I got sent off for an MRI and that type of thing.

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I went to the doctor and I said, I'm having some difficulty swallowing.

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And she said, okay, I'll send you off for this brain scan , which they did.

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And they just found a lesion on the base of my brain and they said,

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well, he is got a lesion here.

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We better send him up for an MRI to find out how many lesions he's got.

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Well, bloody hell, I did have quite a few lesions.

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I had six or seven of them at that stage.

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And they they did the full brain MRI and spinal MRI . And I went down

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to see a urologist in Brisbane and I got told that I had n I had N.

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You'd already self-diagnosed via Dr.

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Google.

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I was self-diagnosed via Dr.

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Google because I, I got the brain scan and I was just, I typed in the message

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from the radiologist into Doc Dr.

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Google and Dr.

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Google said that it was ms.

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Mm-hmm.

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. So I said that to neurologist and he said, well, he says, having seen your

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scans and being a neurologist, he says, I think that's what you've got.

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So, yeah, I have had an mri.

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I've got another that I just booked today in May.

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Mm-hmm.

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. So I'll go and have one of them every six months until two years is up.

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And then after that I'll be going there once a year for an mri.

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Mm.

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Yeah.

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Well, dear, well thank you for adding to the diversity of this

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podcast because No worries.

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We were just a, we were just a Crohn's Disease podcast, but now we can add ms.

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Yeah, exactly.

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, that's the that's our div our means of diversity on this podcast, considering

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just three white, yeah, that's right.

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And regional.

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And you are a regional Queensland slum lord as well, so, yeah, . So . I'm

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not quite a slum lord up here yet.

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I've, I've bought, I've just rented my place out in Mackay and you

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know, if I still, if, if I still like my job in six months and the

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job still likes me, then I'll buy something up here too, so, mm-hmm.

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. Okay.

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Well, can you get an MRI in Rockhampton?

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Yes, I can.

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Okay.

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Just be careful.

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Don't take your gun into the MRI machine because a lawyer in Brazil ignored orders

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to remove all metal objects from his person while accompanying his mother.

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For an M R I scan the strong magnetic field, pulled the gun from

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his waistband and it discharged.

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At the same time, eventually killing him.

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Oh, shit.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, don't take a gun into an mri.

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No, I won't be taking a gun anywhere.

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. Mm-hmm.

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I found a YouTube video of, and they were dismantling an old mri and

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they said to the medical students, have at it, you, you've got a couple

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of hours, throw whatever you like into the MRI and see what happens.

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I think they, they've eventually got an office chair dangling on a robe.

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Right.

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Being pulled towards the mri.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Just to show the strength of the Magnus on it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, so there we go.

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Alright, look, I had an other article there, but that's not gonna fit in really.

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So I think we'll call it a night at this stage.

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Welcome back, Scott.

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Good, thank you very much.

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Trevor.

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It's good to be back.

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We'll explore all of your thoughts in more detail later on.

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. Thank you.

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In the chat room.

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Essential, Lord.

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Dawn says he's pre-diabetic, so I add that to the list.

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Pre-diabetic what?

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You're borderline diabetic, you're not quite over the threat.

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Okay.

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And John Simmons says, good luck.

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Champion to you, Scott.

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Alright, I'll be fine.

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Thanks John.

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Everything's good.

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I actually I did have my second m i after my first infusion and they

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showed that the three holes, which were all concerned, they're all much

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smaller than what they were originally.

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So that is the absolute best result I could have expected.

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Mm-hmm.

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, the result I was hoping for was that there was gonna be no movement either

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way, but I got an, I got an excellent result, so I would just have to wait and

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see what this next MRI in May turns up.

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Cuz after that I go in and talk to the, I talk to the neurologist again via Zoom

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and I'll find out then whether or not the holes are still the same size or

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whether they're a little bit smaller.

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Anyway, we'll have to wait and see.

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Well after this podcast, Scott I can diagnose that you are currently

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operating on all cylinders, intellectually , after listening to

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the Gigi's wife, your brain larger.

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That's right, that's right.

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We've all developed a few brain holes.

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Yeah.

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I cannot believe that woman wasn't even, does she?

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Is she not self-aware of just how fucked in the head she sounds?

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No.

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Ugh.

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That's, yeah, that's it.

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I remember seeing one of those auditions, you know, the singing shows

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The Voice or something like that.

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Oh yeah.

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Actually it was a dancing one.

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Yeah.

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It, it was either dancing or a singing one.

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And this girl did this performance where she was just terrible.

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Like really terrible.

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I think it might have been a dancing one.

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And the judges just said, thumbs down.

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And she said, am I one of those people who.

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Doesn't know how bad they are.

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And the judges said, that's right.

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You're one of those

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At least she had some self-awareness, she had enough self-awareness to think

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she might have been in that category.

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Yeah.

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So.

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Right.

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Okay, we're gonna leave it there.

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Uh, Thanks everyone in the chat room.

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Talk to you next week.

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Bye for now.

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See you then.

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Bye now.

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