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Episode 370 - Opus Dei and other political cults
In this episode we discuss:
(00:34) Introduction
(01:52) Opus Dei
(21:56) Florida Wants Menstrual Cycle History
(27:25) Boomer Libertarians
(47:17) Jacinta Price on Murdoch
(53:13) The Voice
(56:00) Jacinda Ardern
(01:09:59) Pokies
(01:11:06) Violence in America
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We need to talk about ideas, good ones and bad ones.
Speaker:We need to learn stuff about the world.
Speaker:We need an honest, intelligent, thought provoking and entertaining
Speaker:review of what the hell happened on this planet in the last seven days.
Speaker:We need to sit back and listen to the Iron Pest and the Velvet Glove
Speaker:joe.
Speaker:At the start of this year, I kind of made a sort of a, a resolution
Speaker:that I would try not to talk about crazy Christians as much as I had.
Speaker:Well, you said that.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Cardinal Pell died and not myself, and now a's day.
Speaker:Premier of New South Wales and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker:It's, it's all in the news, can help yourself.
Speaker:It's all about picking a fight with him and nothing to do with what
Speaker:people need to know about schools.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So we're gonna get into it, but we're gonna get into Opus Day and just
Speaker:necessarily more crazy Christians.
Speaker:It's an interesting group, the group, so it's worth looking at.
Speaker:We'll do a bit of that.
Speaker:Hello in the chat room to James and Danny are already there.
Speaker:Say hello.
Speaker:As you enter the chat room, make your comments, we'll try and incorporate them.
Speaker:I had all the good intentions last week, dear listener of recording a podcast,
Speaker:not a live one, but a recorded one.
Speaker:Packed all my gear.
Speaker:Went down the coast, went to do the recording, pulled it all out, and
Speaker:realized I hadn't packed a microphone.
Speaker:And that's difficult to do a podcast without a proper microphone.
Speaker:Same.
Speaker:Hence no podcast last week, but I'll try and do better.
Speaker:Brahman's in the chat room.
Speaker:Hello Brahman and Alison.
Speaker:Good on you, Alison.
Speaker:So, ah, right, Joe AK these Christian schools, so part of me, like Four Corners
Speaker:has done a bit of an expose in talking about some of the unsavory practices
Speaker:that have been going on in the schools that are run by the Opus Day group.
Speaker:I don't believe it.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:and there's been sort of commentary by parents of students who
Speaker:are angry at what's happened.
Speaker:And I just wanna say, you really have a right to comment.
Speaker:Angry, angry, angry at what had happened in the school.
Speaker:And it's like you send your kids to an AIST Day school.
Speaker:What did you expect was going to happen?
Speaker:Well, yeah, it was, it was a good private school.
Speaker:We didn't think they were gonna indoctrinate them.
Speaker:. Yes.
Speaker:We were just sending our kids there to avoid the riff raff.
Speaker:Well, exactly.
Speaker:At the public school.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You know, so it's just that, that's, that's why we were doing it.
Speaker:And we can't believe that we've, we've, we've had all these
Speaker:other issues crop up, it seems.
Speaker:So I just, I, I, I lack some sympathy for these people who who are never complained.
Speaker:Well, I'm complaining about what happened to their little un Unfortunately,
Speaker:the system is so screwed up now that unfortunately a lot of state schools
Speaker:are left with whatever, the public schools won't take the private.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The private schools won't.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:So there are issues with behavior in what you're right, in that Yeah, it's
Speaker:harder for state schools to get rid of.
Speaker:I, unfortunately, because of the huge funding of private schools, it, it
Speaker:means that what is left in state school is underfunded and generally is less
Speaker:watered down than in other places.
Speaker:What do you mean less watered down?
Speaker:Well, I mean, you have, I dunno, 10% bad kids, right?
Speaker:If you take all the good kids out of the class, you're left with the bad kids.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:. Okay.
Speaker:And so I think the public schools, by default have become the catchall
Speaker:and, and the private schools are cherry picking the best students.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, that's all, that's all true.
Speaker:However, if you've got a kid who's capable and goes to Oh, absolutely.
Speaker:Private school or a public school, their chances are the same in
Speaker:terms of success at school.
Speaker:Because they're a good private and bad private good public.
Speaker:Absolutely bad private.
Speaker:It depends.
Speaker:And yeah.
Speaker:So anyway, I think you get a much better life experience at a public
Speaker:school, especially after watching the Four Corners Report and what was
Speaker:going on at the Opus Day Schools.
Speaker:Just terrible.
Speaker:Anyway before we get on to what was going on in those schools,
Speaker:just a little bit of background.
Speaker:Of course.
Speaker:Dominic Perone, new South Wales Premier is, is known as an Opus Day member.
Speaker:Went to one of the schools in question and, but you know, it's not necessarily
Speaker:got any, gonna get any better if you get the Labor Party in at the next
Speaker:election because Chris Mins voted against voluntary assisted dying
Speaker:laws and is a devout and overt Roman Catholic, so he may not be over stay.
Speaker:But he's a fairly strong Roman Catholic, which is kind of what Avast Day is.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:They're just an more extreme version of Catholicism, aren't they?
Speaker:Yes, that's right.
Speaker:And apparently we'll get into it, but one of the sort of things about Abust
Speaker:Day is, is secrecy and not letting people know you are a member of Opus Day is
Speaker:kind of one of the things they're into.
Speaker:So it's possible possible.
Speaker:Chris Mins is one and wouldn't even let it on.
Speaker:So, so I did a little, little bit of Wikipedia research, so it was the
Speaker:easiest research obviously to do, but it's worth just a quick look at,
Speaker:with Opus Day because everyone would think of it from the DaVinci novel.
Speaker:Did you ever see that one, Joey?
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:I've read them and I, I was fairly sure Op day was a,
Speaker:was it, was it Angels and Demons or was it the other one?
Speaker:I dunno.
Speaker:It's one of the albino guy, the, the albino guy was into self-flagellation
Speaker:and some crazy stuff, which didn't cast the light on, I think.
Speaker:I think that's Angels and demons.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So that's when they sort of came to the public notice to some extent.
Speaker:But founded in Spain in 1928, so not that long ago.
Speaker:Oh, okay.
Speaker:By Catholic priest.
Speaker:And he gave it the name Opus Day, which in Latin means work of God.
Speaker:So that's why the followers, when they're talking about their, what they do refer
Speaker:to it as the work for the work of God.
Speaker:So in 2018, there were 95,000 members worldwide.
Speaker:About 70% of members live in their own homes, living family
Speaker:lives with secular careers.
Speaker:And the other 30% are celibate.
Speaker:And the majority of those live in Opus Day centers.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:We'll get onto one of those in a moment.
Speaker:Conent Sea og.
Speaker:Really?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:There's, there's a number of similarities with sea OG and the Scientology.
Speaker:Yeah, there is.
Speaker:So in 2022, Cape Francis issued an apostolic letter, which seems to
Speaker:have reduced the influence of Opus Day within the Catholic Church.
Speaker:One of the central features of the theology is the belief that everyone
Speaker:should aspire to be a saint, and it stresses the importance of
Speaker:work and professional competence.
Speaker:Ops Day exhorts its members and all a Catholics to find God in
Speaker:daily life and perform their work excellently as a service to society
Speaker:and as a fitting offering to God.
Speaker:That's got a bit of the Pentecostalism in it.
Speaker:To me, is this work really Pentecostal?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:But the Pentecostals are all, it's all about believing in Jesus.
Speaker:And it doesn't matter what works you do well under,
Speaker:technically, under Pentecostalism if you are successful in life.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's because God has favored you, not because of what you've done yourself.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Hard.
Speaker:It's a sign for yourself, not work hard for others.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And it's a sign that God has favored you if you are successful.
Speaker:But people have bastardized that and, and have decided, well, if I work
Speaker:really hard, then God will favor me.
Speaker:Like even though the doctrine is strictly the other way around, they've
Speaker:reverted it so they're quite hardworking.
Speaker:And that whole Methodist thing that it springs from is very hardworking.
Speaker:Yeah, but I, I think the Catholic is you, your good works for
Speaker:other people is what saves you.
Speaker:Yes, yes.
Speaker:Which is not the case in the Protestants.
Speaker:Correct.
Speaker:It's a more selfish one.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:But there is this emphasis on work and career and climb the ladder
Speaker:and, and become an important man is definitely part of it.
Speaker:So, so that's part of Opus day and what else is part of their practice?
Speaker:Public attention is focused on their practice of mortification, the voluntary
Speaker:offering up of discomfort or pain to God.
Speaker:And this includes fasting, self-flagellation, sleeping without
Speaker:a pillow or sleeping on the floor.
Speaker:So they're into that sort of stuff.
Speaker:I.
Speaker:Just good old fashioned Catholic suffering taken to another level.
Speaker:Classicism.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean the, the Filipinos nail themselves to crosses, don't they?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So it's, it's, it's, it's a feature of Catholicism, but taken to another level.
Speaker:So critics state that Apes Bay Ops Day is ex intensively secretive.
Speaker:For example, members generally do not disclose their affiliation
Speaker:with APAs Day in public.
Speaker:And under the 1950 Constitution, members were expressly forbidden
Speaker:to reveal themselves without the permission of their superiors.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Ops Day.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I never really myself.
Speaker:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker:Well, that's because you're a mason.
Speaker:Isn't, and you, isn't that it?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Because apparently you have to have a belief in higher power to be a mason.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Has been accused of being deceptive and it's aggressive recruiting practices.
Speaker:And instructing nuer areas to form friendships and attend social gatherings
Speaker:explicitly for recruiting purposes.
Speaker:This is very much the Sea OG sort of feel about it.
Speaker:And critics allege that they maintain an extremely high
Speaker:degree of control over members.
Speaker:For instance past rules required numer to submit their incoming and outgoing
Speaker:mail to their superiors for inspection.
Speaker:And members are forbidden to read certain books without
Speaker:permission from their superiors.
Speaker:And critics charge that APAs day pressures numer to sever contact with
Speaker:non-members, including their own families.
Speaker:Sounds very Joe.
Speaker:Yeah, I mean the, the not reading books sounds very much like Scientology with
Speaker:the don't, don't look on the internet.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Everything is out to change your mind.
Speaker:Warp your mind.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And just deconvert you controlling your information flow.
Speaker:and, yep.
Speaker:Sounds pretty nasty.
Speaker:So anyway, onto the Full Corners Report.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So there's stories from, did you see it at all?
Speaker:No, I've heard about it, but I've yet to see it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Stories from dozens of former students at Tanga, which is the
Speaker:Girls School and Redfield College.
Speaker:The boys school.
Speaker:So they're both small but powerful Catholic schools.
Speaker:Interviews with 30 alumni conducted by four corners.
Speaker:Revealing, disturbing practices.
Speaker:Students say these were particularly the girls.
Speaker:Were talking about this in there seem to be more girls
Speaker:were interviewed on the show.
Speaker:Students would say they were told watching pornography causes holes
Speaker:in the brain and they're actually showed them pictures of brain scans
Speaker:and told, see those marks there?
Speaker:That's all.
Speaker:holes caused by watching pornography, it sounds like, the whole no fat movement.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, they, they used the pseudoscience.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Anyway, these girls did their own Googling and found the exact same pictures on
Speaker:the internet and the dark patches that they were referring to as holes in the
Speaker:brain were just normal parts of the brain that appeared dark on a scan.
Speaker:Like there were just nothing unusual about it at all.
Speaker:These people are just, funnily enough, it's not true, Joe.
Speaker:It d pornography doesn't cause holes in the brain.
Speaker:It seems people lying to instilled guilt around sexual pleasure.
Speaker:Indeed did shock me.
Speaker:Indeed.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And what else?
Speaker:Ah, this one, Joe.
Speaker:Girls were discouraged from getting the lifesaving HPV cervical cancer
Speaker:vaccine, like actively discouraged.
Speaker:The ones who got it were shamed.
Speaker:The girls and their parents say they were told it would promote promiscuity and
Speaker:they were expected to marry as virgins.
Speaker:So they didn't, they'd been huge culture wars in the States about this.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So this is going on.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No notice the girls were expected to marry as virgins.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Well, yes.
Speaker:In the argument about the vaccine, it's only girls who get that vaccine, isn't it?
Speaker:One of the girls pointed out it's boys and girls now.
Speaker:Do they?
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Ah, is it really?
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I believe so.
Speaker:It's one of the girls, one of the girls pointed out, well,
Speaker:I might get from a husband.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So that had affect No, no.
Speaker:My understanding is that whilst it's rare that it's penile cancer,
Speaker:you get throat and mouth cancer.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, what else was in there?
Speaker:Pages in the curriculum were ripped out or redacted from textbooks.
Speaker:Homophobia was rife and there were persistent attempts to recruit
Speaker:school students to Opus Day.
Speaker:So gosh, send your kid to an Opus Day school and they
Speaker:might get recruited anyway.
Speaker:Former students say their schooling was left with psychological damage.
Speaker:Like, I really feel sorry for these poor kids who don't get any say in it.
Speaker:And there was one guy who was gay and had a terrible time, obviously locked himself
Speaker:in the toilet most of his days there, just so he wouldn't get abused by people.
Speaker:It would've been horrendous.
Speaker:The poor bugger.
Speaker:Let's see.
Speaker:Schools affiliated with obste independent schools.
Speaker:Joe run outside the Catholic education system.
Speaker:The funding for the girls school in 2021 reached 5 million.
Speaker:From state and federal governments.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But think how much money they saved the taxpayer in state schools.
Speaker:and Redfield received 2.7 million from the Commonwealth.
Speaker:850 from New South Wales.
Speaker:You know, goodness sake pouring money into these.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The government would've spent at least $500,000 to educate
Speaker:them in a state school.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I always tell people about this with Goldman and, you know, mother Mary
Speaker:Celeste closing the schools because of the threat from the government.
Speaker:The government said the toilets, you've gotta close this school
Speaker:cuz the toilets are unacceptable.
Speaker:And she said, well, if you force me to close this school, I'm gonna close
Speaker:all of the schools in Goldman and you won't have time to rebuild other
Speaker:schools and Goldman will be in a mess.
Speaker:And so that's when they caved in, provided some money for the toilet.
Speaker:And then that was the thin edge of the wedge that led to.
Speaker:the situation we are in now with 40% of students going to private schools.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And what I say to people is that the amount that is paid to those private
Speaker:schools in Goldman now per head mm-hmm.
Speaker:is almost exactly what he's paid per head to the private school, to the
Speaker:state school per head in Goldman.
Speaker:So, that just gives it perspective.
Speaker:We're not more, we're not saving money by paying these people.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:We we're usually paying more.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:The other question I've got is government gives them money to
Speaker:build a new, I dunno, sports Hall.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, and the school shuts down.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, who owns the building.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Did the school shut down?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:No, no.
Speaker:I'm, I'm not saying that, but what I'm saying is what will happen.
Speaker:So this is, it'll belong to the, it belongs to the school.
Speaker:It belongs to the school, which is then sold off as a private
Speaker:thing that the church owns.
Speaker:Yes, yes.
Speaker:So we build all this infrastructure, but at the end of the day, we
Speaker:are funding private churches who own that infrastructure.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There, there's no clause as far as I know, that says if you cease to
Speaker:function as a business, all of your assets transferred to the state.
Speaker:No, there wouldn't be no.
Speaker:Under nine Fisk government, we, we just reclaim that.
Speaker:Don't worry about it, Joe.
Speaker:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker:We should resume them all.
Speaker:All private schools should be resumed.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:We're so radical.
Speaker:And, and the same with medical facilities.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Mater Hospital.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Where they're refusing to allow women to have an I U D.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Unless it's clearly for a hormonal reason rather than birth control.
Speaker:If you saw the Facebook post and you haven't done anything, go off and sign the
Speaker:Parliament Queensland Parliament petition.
Speaker:Yes, I did see that.
Speaker:I haven't signed it yet.
Speaker:Get onto it.
Speaker:Yeah, I was way down the coast, which is why I didn't Right.
Speaker:Podcast cast last week.
Speaker:So yeah.
Speaker:Signed petition.
Speaker:Signed petition.
Speaker:We'll put that in the show notes.
Speaker:There'll be a link about signing a petition about It was on
Speaker:the Facebook page as well.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Just a little bit more on these guys.
Speaker:Hopes Day.
Speaker:Acis is also known as a sack cloth.
Speaker:Originally a garment or undergarment made of course, cloth
Speaker:or animal hair, a hair shirt.
Speaker:So the Opus Day members are big on wearing uncomfortable things.
Speaker:And so one of the things that they're.
Speaker:They do in the opus day, particularly the women, is they wear a, a sort of
Speaker:a chain of metal spikes around their upper thigh to cause discomfort.
Speaker:And it's an interesting story I found from the daily art male from quite a while
Speaker:ago, 10 years ago or something like that.
Speaker:But it reads she's a respectable and intelligent, so why does Sarah
Speaker:attach a painful barbed chain to her leg for two hours a day?
Speaker:Sarah Cassidy is the sort of no nonsense capable woman you might expect to find
Speaker:as a head mistress of a primary school.
Speaker:But she doesn't do children and she doesn't do husbands either.
Speaker:She's 43 single celibate, determined to remain so, and each night she
Speaker:fastens a wire chain known as a sillus around her upper thigh.
Speaker:It's got sharp prongs that dig into her skin and flesh.
Speaker:Well, they usually doesn't draw blood.
Speaker:So she's a member of a yes, she's obviously a member of a day.
Speaker:And so in a bid to correct false impressions, Sarah agreed to meet
Speaker:with the journalist to discuss what it is that attracts women
Speaker:like her to such an austere group.
Speaker:And this woman says she was brainwashed as a child.
Speaker:Well, she was actually quite normal and ended up going to an all-girls
Speaker:school and got indoctrinated.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:So every evening, just before she does the washing up, Eileen straps
Speaker:her strand of barbed wire around her leg and leaves it there for two
Speaker:whole hours scratching at her skin.
Speaker:Joe, it sounds like agony, but she insists it's less painful than a bikini wax.
Speaker:And besides that, how did she know?
Speaker:Well, obviously gets bikini waxes or did why though She's celibate
Speaker:Well, doesn't mean she doesn't want have a bikini wax and be celibate.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:She says it's an easy way of knowing you're doing penance.
Speaker:She says if I go swimming I don't wanna leave a mark from where it has been.
Speaker:So she wears it quite high up on the thigh.
Speaker:These people are crazy, Joe.
Speaker:She finds the fasting more difficult than the wearing of the chain.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Finally at the end it says quote, my parents hated me joining Opus Day.
Speaker:I think they, they'd have been happier if I ran away and joined the gypsies.
Speaker:They thought I was joining a cult.
Speaker:They were terrified.
Speaker:Absolutely Terrifi.
Speaker:I would agree with her parents.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:If your daughter said, I'm gonna run off with the gypsies, or I'm gonna run off
Speaker:with the , you'd, which one do you prefer?
Speaker:You'd, you'd say the gypsies in a heartbeat, wouldn't you?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But seems a very weird quote.
Speaker:Anyway, very racist quote.
Speaker:Join the circus.
Speaker:I'd be fine with that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Anyway, that's overstay women of the world.
Speaker:It doesn't get any better in Florida.
Speaker:So actually just on the chat we've got Alison says the petition is
Speaker:by a doctor that you'll be signing when you get to the link and Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'm, I think it was a doctor working in the health system that was shocked.
Speaker:Probably just so pissed off by it.
Speaker:And, hello Bronn Brahman says, sack cloth shirt sounds like something
Speaker:out of the devil's playground.
Speaker:If you've ever seen that film, that was what we were talking about earlier.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Writer not seen the film, but, okay.
Speaker:Florida.
Speaker:Joe, did you send me this one?
Speaker:You've sent me a few.
Speaker:So the Florida High School Athletics Association said student athletes
Speaker:should be required to give detailed information about their periods
Speaker:when they register to play.
Speaker:The F H S A A announced in October, it was changing its annual physical form for
Speaker:student athletes to a digital version.
Speaker:And this form included optional but detailed questions about students
Speaker:menstruation cycles, including when they got their first period, when
Speaker:they had their most recent, how many weeks passed between periods.
Speaker:And previously there was only one page of the paper.
Speaker:, which a pediatrician would sign off to say a student was allowed to play.
Speaker:Now this whole electronic form will be submitted to a school and despite
Speaker:widespread public outcry, even in Florida, Joe, there would be outcry about this.
Speaker:The fh s a a panel decided on Tuesday to stand by the change, but
Speaker:also recommended that the menstrual history questions be made mandatory.
Speaker:Yeah, it's important.
Speaker:Gotta know when the, when the breeders are breeding.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, in the article it says it's unclear why a school needs to know
Speaker:all that information under his eye.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:I don't see why school districts need that type of access to information.
Speaker:Said this.
Speaker:Pediatric endocrin.
Speaker:. Now, Joe, since the fall of Roe v Wade, people have been hypervigilant about
Speaker:third parties tracking menstrual data.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:A lot of women with menstrual tracking apps have deleted them.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Because if you've got an app that tracks your menstrual cycle, you
Speaker:fall pregnant, accidentally decide to head interstate to get a mm-hmm.
Speaker:a termination and somebody reports you and the police confiscate, confiscate
Speaker:your phone, look at the app data, find out in fact you were pregnant,
Speaker:and or use it as proof that you were pregnant and charge you with a breach
Speaker:of the law for terminating a pregnancy.
Speaker:So, so now people are thinking, well, if I fill in this form and it goes to a
Speaker:school and it's a private organization, it could be subject to some sort of
Speaker:subpoena subpoena, and that information could end up in a court somewhere.
Speaker:I think it's more aimed forbidding transgender girls
Speaker:from playing on sports teams.
Speaker:Could be, could be.
Speaker:I would, I would suggest that that's much more along the lines.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:For the moment.
Speaker:For the moment.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'm sure.
Speaker:Look time, any information is tracked police and not just police.
Speaker:It will end up getting subpoenaed for a court case.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:There was, yeah.
Speaker:Tollway, toll roadways in America are getting subpoenaed for travel information
Speaker:to prove travel of a spouse for a divorce case, proving that he went to see his
Speaker:mistress on this toll road at this time.
Speaker:Oh, oh really?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Ah, okay.
Speaker:They don't have no fault divorce over there by the sounds of it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And, you know, we've seen in Queensland with the go-karts mm-hmm.
Speaker:, if you see the number of police requests per year, and it's not
Speaker:serious cases, it's not, this person might have been involved in a murder.
Speaker:This is whatever.
Speaker:There, there was something like 10,000 requests a year.
Speaker:It's a ridiculous number.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Any, anytime that your data is tracked it will end up getting mis misused.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Anyway.
Speaker:Young ladies in Florida have every reason to be concerned.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And about what's gonna happen there because Florida, after all, has
Speaker:banned abortion after 15 weeks.
Speaker:It's also forbidden transgender girls from playing on girls sports and has banned
Speaker:state residents from using Medicaid to pay for gender affirming treatments.
Speaker:. So it was also the don't say gay bill, wasn't there, Florida, was it?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I can't keep track of everything in there.
Speaker:So, well it's where Donald Trump resides and feels comfortable.
Speaker:So it seems to be the heartland of the Republican.
Speaker:The current Republican leadership, DeSantis, the Florida government
Speaker:is probably gonna be the next Republican presidential candidate.
Speaker:It's been a swing state though, cuz George Bush, the son mm-hmm.
Speaker:, almost lost Florida in 2000 and it was Jeb Bush who won.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Declared it was Fox, I think declared it and after they declared it,
Speaker:they just went, oh, well fuck it.
Speaker:We're giving up and Right.
Speaker:Bush was the president.
Speaker:This was Al Gore conceded.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And then as the votes numbers came in, he said, had to ring up and say, actually
Speaker:I withdraw my concession, I think.
Speaker:And then it went all the way to the high court.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:. Yeah.
Speaker:Anyway, I think it's turned even more red since then.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean, it was always the retirement state.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You moved down to get away from the harsh windows.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Crazy thing about American politics, the Republicans being their red color as well.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's always weird.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:They've always gotta do things differently.
Speaker:Backwards you mean?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:But Joe, as I as I wander around life, Joe and I come across people.
Speaker:I reckon there's a type that I'm finding it's amalgamation of people I know, but
Speaker:if you're having discussions with people, and invariably I find that if they kick
Speaker:off a topic of concern about wokeness or trans people, if they kick that off
Speaker:as a topic out of the blue, it just, if somebody's prepared to do that, I reckon
Speaker:I can list a number of other possible beliefs they hold and beliefs that they
Speaker:hold in common with that one belief.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, not all of 'em, but a fair number of 'em.
Speaker:And so what media They absorb . Indeed.
Speaker:That's that too.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So if they express an anti-white sentiment, they sort of volunteer.
Speaker:I would say nearly always.
Speaker:They're a conservative voter.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, I would say they have a very much an anti-government view of life.
Speaker:Preferring small government, get outta my way, you know, where tax too high and
Speaker:there's too much red tape and government regulation, government's just small enough
Speaker:to fit through your bedroom keyhole.
Speaker:That's it.
Speaker:Throw in their sort of anti lockdown, anti-trans bit of
Speaker:climate change skepticism.
Speaker:Not necessarily outright denial, but you know, it's all a bit overstated and it's
Speaker:all a bit overworked and an exaggeration.
Speaker:And can we use carbon capture and storage instead?
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Just carry on burdening this coal because you know, that clean
Speaker:coal is just around the corner.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:Nuclear.
Speaker:Yeah, actually, actually if I was in Europe, I'd probably be
Speaker:pro-nuclear just for Australia.
Speaker:I'm definitely not nuclear.
Speaker:Get it right?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Nu nuclear.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Would they say nuclear, would they or did ISIS say it?
Speaker:No, no, no, no.
Speaker:I just generally the sort of people who are pro nu nuclear say nuclear.
Speaker:Oh.
Speaker:Oh, okay.
Speaker:Probably renewable energy skepticism.
Speaker:Of course anti-China, pro-America, possibly pro
Speaker:cryptocurrency and anti the voice.
Speaker:You know, a lot of things will be ticked off.
Speaker:If I just hear sort of an anti wake sentiment, and I run this as an experiment
Speaker:now, dear listener, where I just sort of throw these out there and just see where
Speaker:people are positioned on these topics.
Speaker:Run your own experiment and tell me how it goes.
Speaker:so, Because Joe, what you are ending up with, actually, before
Speaker:I go on no, I won't do that.
Speaker:This's just gonna for you.
Speaker:There's a clip.
Speaker:It's, it's okay.
Speaker:I think I've played it before, but what what I'm terming this sort of person
Speaker:would be a boomer, libertarian, be a summary, sort of catchall phrase for the
Speaker:sort of person who comes to mind that I, it's, it's the circles you mingle in.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Well, I'm on the cusp, Joe.
Speaker:I was born in 1964, depending on what year.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:. What subscribe you look at.
Speaker:I could be a boomer or I could be just off, but mm-hmm.
Speaker:given my father was in the war and I was, you know, probably, you know, the
Speaker:boomers were traditionally children born as the soldiers returned.
Speaker:Returned soldiers.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:The booming population.
Speaker:And my dad was a returned soldier.
Speaker:, I probably am a boomer.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, in that sense.
Speaker:But that doesn't allow, that means I can still criticize.
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:So yeah, a boomer, libertarian Joe, it's, and all of those things that I just listed
Speaker:as features kind of all can circle back to individual freedom as a core belief
Speaker:concept, ideology, if you like, of, of being very pro individual freedom.
Speaker:So a boomer libertarian.
Speaker:Here's my, this is all a theory, dear listener.
Speaker:I love theories as you know.
Speaker:So, a boomer libertarian would think that the foundation of successful
Speaker:western liberal democracies is based on freedom and So when they look
Speaker:at issues, they look at it through the prism of individual freedom.
Speaker:So, just getting back to their thinking on the foundations.
Speaker:So they would say that the enlightenment was spawned by individual freedom.
Speaker:Free rational men used the scientific method to overturn superstitious thinking
Speaker:and enable a secular morality where individuals are free to pursue their own
Speaker:interests and lead lifestyles of choice, not the predetermined and superstitiously
Speaker:constrained lives of previous eras, and I don't have a lot to disagree with there.
Speaker:That is a feature of the enlightenment, was the abandonment of superstition.
Speaker:And if you like, a new ability, an awareness of figuring things out.
Speaker:Who's the ability to challenge dogma?
Speaker:. Yeah.
Speaker:So I don't disagree that that was a feature of the enlightenment
Speaker:and that yeah, individual freedom, definitely a good thing in that respect
Speaker:and an important thing to happen.
Speaker:But I think a Liber Tower Libertarian will also think the same.
Speaker:Freedom has enabled rational self-interested individuals to compete and
Speaker:innovate in a competitive market economy.
Speaker:And it is this freedom which the West has encouraged, which has led
Speaker:to the economic success of the West.
Speaker:So I think a boomer libertarian thinks individual freedom was
Speaker:a, a major factor in the sort of economic success of the West.
Speaker:And I've got a few comments to make about that because well, it might've been
Speaker:freedom for the white people, , there's a lot of, it came at the expense of
Speaker:the freedom of a lot of brown people.
Speaker:For starters.
Speaker:Well, not just brown people, I mean Yeah.
Speaker:Or any white people, Irish people and whatever.
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:Well, I mean the, the poor in any nation indeed.
Speaker:In indeed, yeah.
Speaker:All, all this.
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:It's the white, it's, it's not, it was the 1% of the whites
Speaker:who did very nicely out of it.
Speaker:Yes, yes.
Speaker:There's a lot of people who did not enjoy a lot of freedom in that whole Exactly.
Speaker:Experience.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So for the boomer, libertarian individual freedom is the basis
Speaker:of our morality and our economy.
Speaker:And they would think that successful countries are invariably democracies free,
Speaker:voters of elected leaders who protect individual freedom and run governments
Speaker:that stay out of people's lives.
Speaker:That's the way it should be.
Speaker:But on the other hand dysfunctional countries are invariably run
Speaker:by dictators or communists.
Speaker:And if they claim to be democracies, then their elections are sham.
Speaker:Elections and dysfunctional economies have not developed because individuals
Speaker:have not been allowed the freedom to drive the economy forward.
Speaker:Also, their oppressed people are unhappy because they crave the
Speaker:freedom to vote like westerners, to be socially liberated like Westerners
Speaker:and to run businesses like Westerners.
Speaker:And if they don't crave these things, that's because they're
Speaker:victims of tyrannical propaganda.
Speaker:This is an all-encompassing generalization of my Beamer Libertarian.
Speaker:I'll go on.
Speaker:So the Boomer libertarian judges every moral quandary with a set
Speaker:of scales that weighs only the impact on individual freedom.
Speaker:The government bad, obviously tax.
Speaker:Bad, obviously defense spending good.
Speaker:It will protect us from foreigners who wanna take away our freedom
Speaker:juvenile crime, lock 'em up, Joe, to protect the freedom to own property.
Speaker:Mandatory lockdowns bad, mandatory mass bad.
Speaker:It's all very anti-free.
Speaker:Mandatory vaccinations.
Speaker:Anti-free covid skepticism is part of this, partly based on motivated reasoning
Speaker:to justify opposition to mandatory laws.
Speaker:So that's part of Covid skepticism, but mixed in with that is the
Speaker:individual's right to do your own research and have your own.
Speaker:The freedom that I have.
Speaker:Your own scientific theory, Joe, if you want one, and not be duped
Speaker:by the prevailing orthodox view.
Speaker:Well, you know, they laughed at Galilea.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Renewable energy and restrictions on fossil fuels.
Speaker:Fuels they would say bad, obviously will result in less freedom.
Speaker:Can't drive my gas guzzling car and woke.
Speaker:Also they don't like that because that restricts the freedom of the
Speaker:individual to say whatever they like.
Speaker:China, that's bad because the Chinese people are probably fine, but their
Speaker:leaders are evil and they just wanna invade and take our freedom.
Speaker:The Chinese would rise up and revolt if they could, anyone not wanting to revolt.
Speaker:The freedom is a victim of propaganda and the Chinese
Speaker:government obviously is itching to invade and take away our freedom.
Speaker:So there bad Cardinal Pearl Joe to be defended.
Speaker:He, he was found not guilty by the high court, wasn't he?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:A, a boomer libertarian would be inclined to defend Cardinal Powell
Speaker:as much as is socially acceptable.
Speaker:The system tried to jail him on old uncorroborated testimony.
Speaker:PE may be unlikeable, but Freedom Apostles see this as an opportunity to emphasize
Speaker:the principle of protecting individual freedom from unjust court proceedings.
Speaker:I have seen that in online commentary.
Speaker:The Libertarian Berma Joe is particularly resentful of young female leaders.
Speaker:Jacinda Ratto, Thunberg.
Speaker:No, no, no.
Speaker:You made a typo there.
Speaker:Great.
Speaker:Thunberg.
Speaker:You've got , have I?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Oh, I'll fix that, Joe.
Speaker:But that's the other thing.
Speaker:If I'm just testing where people stand on issues, you know, when I
Speaker:was talking before about just feeling the waters with people and, and.
Speaker:if they say something that's a little bit anti woke, I can pick what I think are
Speaker:gonna be the, all these characteristics.
Speaker:The other one would be, what do you reckon?
Speaker:I have Greta Thunberg . And if you get a strong anti Greta Thunberg,
Speaker:you'll pick up a lot of those features that I've just mentioned.
Speaker:All part and parcel.
Speaker:Well, it's the jci A and it's like I might have problems
Speaker:with one or two things of hers.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Like wearing the hijab, hijab to the funeral, which I get the,
Speaker:the political expediency or Yeah.
Speaker:Compassion.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But, but I think you were not being yeah.
Speaker:You weren't trying solidarity to those people who are
Speaker:forced into that oppression.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:You got issues with her.
Speaker:She's not a saint.
Speaker:No, absolutely.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But, but there's a particular thing I think where people it, and it's
Speaker:driven by the Murdoch press Yeah.
Speaker:Where they really, really dislike young women telling old men what to do, . Yeah.
Speaker:You think that's it is, and I, I spoke to someone the other day and they were
Speaker:saying, oh yeah, everyone's moving out of Victoria up to Queensland because
Speaker:they, they, they were moving prior to dictating Dan getting back in cuz they
Speaker:couldn't face another term of his.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And, and yeah, I don't think they were moving because of the political regime.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And in fact, from what I've seen, it was, it's new South Wales people moving
Speaker:up to Queensland, not Victorians.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So, so this real issue they have with young female Jacinda, Dern,
Speaker:Andre Thunberg, eh, I can't really.
Speaker:Link back to this whole Freedom theory I've got, but it's just part of it.
Speaker:I, I don't really have a freedom link to it.
Speaker:I've only just got a Murdoch link to it where they are.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well I was just thinking about . Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Which of course the, the courier fail invariably bags are out.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But I don't see much nationally about her.
Speaker:No, no.
Speaker:I'm gonna get onto Jacinda.
Speaker:We're gonna do a fair bit on Jacinda er and the response to her resignation.
Speaker:So that's coming up.
Speaker:But they are happy to have a youngish female leader in Jacinta Nappy Jimmer
Speaker:price, giving her opinion about the voice.
Speaker:Obviously, yes, it's a topic that they agree with her on, I guess.
Speaker:They're happy to have one around who they agree with, but they just are
Speaker:particularly nasty to an opposition figure that is young and female
Speaker:telling old white men what to do.
Speaker:I think so, and I can't really link it to freedom, but it just, it's one of
Speaker:the sort of other common features that you see mixed in with this whole thing.
Speaker:So, so that's the boomer libertarian, that's what they think and why they think.
Speaker:And I would say a couple of things is, was the foundation
Speaker:of successful western liberal democracies really based on freedom.
Speaker:And I would say that the freedom of thought, which allowed people to discard
Speaker:superstition was obviously a good thing.
Speaker:But there's a big difference between freedom of thought and freedom of action.
Speaker:Freedom of action involves the rights of others and trade offs will apply.
Speaker:, you can't speed a hundred kilometers an hour in a residential zone.
Speaker:I, I just think nhs mm-hmm.
Speaker:has, has a, a brilliant, collective, socialist thing.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:That was bought in by one of the huge powerhouses of Europe.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And although it's been stripped or shadow of its former elf Yep.
Speaker:Was just one of those things where the collective good was
Speaker:deemed to be far more important.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:The London Olympics in the either opening or closing ceremony, one of them
Speaker:heavily featured dances and whatever, pushing hospital beds around mm-hmm.
Speaker:and patients as a homage to the national health system.
Speaker:That's how important and how proud the Brits were at.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:The system that it was It was part of the ceremony for the Olympic Games.
Speaker:So, so, so what the Beamer Libertarian has done has taken the importance of the
Speaker:freedom of thought from the enlightenment, but, but hasn't and has wanted to apply
Speaker:it to a freedom of action in a, without a sense of social responsibility and a sense
Speaker:of give and take in terms of actions that people do for a successful civilization.
Speaker:So yes, you're free to think whatever you like, but when it comes
Speaker:to doing stuff, there are others.
Speaker:People's rights get involved then.
Speaker:And a libertarian boomer is just freedom, freedom, freedom enlightenment.
Speaker:And I would say, well, you can have all the freedom of thought you like.
Speaker:But when it comes to freedom of action there's other people to consider.
Speaker:So the other thing is that the connection between individual freedom
Speaker:and economic prosperity is not as strong as libertarian boomers would
Speaker:think, and much economic progress was at the expense of brown people's
Speaker:freedom or working class white people.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, much technological progress was the result of government funded collective research.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:The Soviets, even in the us Yeah.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So the Soviets were the first to put somebody into orbit.
Speaker:And even in the us for those of you who have, if you're only new
Speaker:to this podcast, you may never have heard of Mariana Mascato.
Speaker:She wrote a book.
Speaker:She's written various books.
Speaker:The entrepreneurial state is one of them.
Speaker:She's really one of the leading economic thinkers in the world.
Speaker:They're, they're on my to read list.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:She's up there with Jannis Furk and and Michael Hudson.
Speaker:So she wrote a book and I'll just divert briefly cuz this is a really
Speaker:important argument for people who've never heard it before and who think
Speaker:that it was private enterprise.
Speaker:Oh.
Speaker:It is a private enterprise that is responsible for the wonderful, innovative
Speaker:gadgets that we have in the world.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:and governments have to get outta the way.
Speaker:And in her book, she made a list of 12 key technologies that make smartphones work.
Speaker:One tiny microprocesses, two memory chips, three solar state hard
Speaker:drives, four liquid crystal displays, five lithium based batteries.
Speaker:That's the hardware.
Speaker:Six, fast furrier transform algorithms.
Speaker:Number seven, the internet.
Speaker:Number eight, HTTP and html nine cellular networks.
Speaker:10, global positioning system or gps.
Speaker:Number 11, the touchscreen.
Speaker:And number 12, Siri voice activated artificial intelligence.
Speaker:All of these are technologies important in what makes an iPhone or any smartphone.
Speaker:And she assembled this list and reviewed their history
Speaker:and found something striking.
Speaker:And the foundational figure in the development of the iPhone wasn't
Speaker:Steven Jobs, it was Uncle Sam.
Speaker:Every single one of the 12 key technologies was supported in
Speaker:significant ways by governments.
Speaker:Often the American government.
Speaker:Well, yeah, I mean, so wifi is regularly claimed to have
Speaker:been invented by, . CS R R a.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And of course he, Lamar was involved in frequency hopping radios.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:She was one of the names on the patent.
Speaker:He, Lamar ever heard that name from actress?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Second War, fairly short.
Speaker:It was, it was a female actress of 1940s era and she was also a physicist
Speaker:and her name is on the patent for frequency hopping radios, which is
Speaker:what modern GSM and whatever else use.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Did she do that working for the government or she did that in private enterprise?
Speaker:Not sure.
Speaker:I think it was part of the war effort.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:It would've been so at least it would've been funded by the government.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:It would've been part of the defense department of some sort.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:So, look, the boomer, libertarian forgets that ultimately we're a social species.
Speaker:And a cooperative group will win over a group of selfish individuals.
Speaker:So, yeah, so that's the boomer libertarian theory that I'm working on.
Speaker:Think of when you're approaching somebody new in a dinner party situation, not
Speaker:on a boat where you're trapped and you can't get off up to 24 hours.
Speaker:Try to try the if you hear a sniff of anti woke, just explore some of
Speaker:these topics and, and just throw Greta Thunberg out there and see how people
Speaker:react to that and see how it goes.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Just enterprise.
Speaker:So Joe, I'm gonna have problems as we get to the arguments about the voice.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Because, because my, I'm opposed to it, but my reasoning is quite different to.
Speaker:The, the people you hear about, like just into price in terms of the reasoning.
Speaker:Before we'll get onto her reasoning, there's a clip of her talking
Speaker:about she was at the Institute of Public Affairs giving a speech.
Speaker:And now I skipped that other one.
Speaker:Let me just find this video and bring this up because this is the kind of
Speaker:thinking that we get from so, you know, some of the things she says, she obviously
Speaker:not always wrong about everything.
Speaker:Some of the things she says are, I think quite right.
Speaker:But anyway, just for a bit of fun have a listen to Jasinta Nappi, Jim Price.
Speaker:Here we go.
Speaker:And of course, Lachlan Murdoch, whose family have provided a beacon
Speaker:of light in a sea of woke darkness via the necessary media platforms.
Speaker:That delivered genuine common sense and fact driven news
Speaker:reporting for our benefit.
Speaker:What, what planet was.
Speaker:She said it all with a straight face.
Speaker:That's the impressive thing that, that, that was
Speaker:honestly.
Speaker:And where do you go to from there?
Speaker:Where do you go to from there?
Speaker:She's gone down.
Speaker:In your estimation, has she, has, has she not gone down in every, you know, no
Speaker:matter how low she was in your estimation, dear listener she had to have dropped.
Speaker:I think that's right.
Speaker:Bronwyn Bronwyn's given us the vomit emoji.
Speaker:What, what Crikey, that's just, ugh.
Speaker:Anyway.
Speaker:So beacon of light in a sea of woke darkness via the necessary
Speaker:media platforms that deliver genuine common sense, fact-driven
Speaker:news reporting for our benefit.
Speaker:Oh, thank you Lockman.
Speaker:. Your idea.
Speaker:You know, the ABC is not much better.
Speaker:Joe.
Speaker:This guy Bruce Hague, who I've often quoted on the, from the John Menard
Speaker:blog, former diplomat, straight shooter, like interesting guy, well qualified.
Speaker:He was gonna be on the drum with a ABC on a panel.
Speaker:And because of lobbying by Jerard Henderson of the I IPA and a
Speaker:compliant producer at the drum, who he describes as of less than average
Speaker:ability, he was booted from the drum and replaced with Greg Sheridan.
Speaker:Graham had, as if we haven't all heard Greg Sheridan saying the same five
Speaker:things completely wrong for the last 15 years, and he just keeps getting
Speaker:trotted out onto these ABC panels.
Speaker:He must just laugh to himself that they keep inviting him onto their panels
Speaker:to, or possibly he's clueless to not realize he's there because Yeah, the
Speaker:ABC is scared of being accused of bias.
Speaker:Yeah, he was a big fan of Jim Mullan who passed away.
Speaker:Jim Mullan, former, I know the name soldier.
Speaker:Former senator and dear listener, I have a very close, very good friend who has
Speaker:worked very closely with Jim Mullen.
Speaker:In the military, and I can assure you, Jim Mullan was not a smart
Speaker:man and he was as thick as two planks, did not understand anything.
Speaker:He was not fluent in Indonesian, as is claimed in the papers.
Speaker:He could barely order a meal at a restaurant.
Speaker:And in military, high level military meetings where they were doing sort of
Speaker:war gaming against the Americans some, some people of equal rank to him just
Speaker:tore strips off him as being so stupid.
Speaker:He didn't know what he was doing.
Speaker:He would've been despised by Angus Houston.
Speaker:He was not the military marvel that Greg Sheridan wouldn't want you to believe.
Speaker:So yeah, not that you wanna speak Ill of the dead, but can speak counseling,
Speaker:living cuz they can see you for Indeed.
Speaker:Indeed.
Speaker:So you only get the chance when they're dead.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:And I've waited a suitable time.
Speaker:So yeah, lots of good stories from my friend, some of which
Speaker:I can't go into, but yeah.
Speaker:And, and you know, he was in the right place at the right time in terms of
Speaker:convincing the Indonesian military to get out and let Australia help the East team.
Speaker:But anyone could have done it.
Speaker:The.
Speaker:The military were not hanging around.
Speaker:They knew Australia would kick their butt if they needed to.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:. And so it wasn't a great piece of statesmanship.
Speaker:We're just lucky Mullan didn't muck it up, is probably how to think of it.
Speaker:So, ah, there we go.
Speaker:That's a bit of a bagging of Jim Mullan, but provides some right.
Speaker:Joe Don.
Speaker:Yeah, just back to Jinta Nappi Prize and the voice before we get onto Jacinda er.
Speaker:And actually Roman says, why do we not wanna speak Ill of the
Speaker:dead, even if they deserve it?
Speaker:This came up in relation to pill also.
Speaker:That's true.
Speaker:And well read between the lines.
Speaker:Brahman, I obviously did wanna speak ill of the dead and I put on
Speaker:a facade of politeness, but I was itching to say it wasn't I, anyway.
Speaker:And that's for P fuck Pal.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:. The voice just before we move off that topic altogether, you know, you see online
Speaker:where people have pushed back against the prevailing orthodox view of being Provo.
Speaker:Well, in the sort of leftish circles that I'm observing and they're getting
Speaker:attacked as a racist pretty quickly.
Speaker:And there was a clip, which I, an old clip, I've just got a little part of
Speaker:it, which was talking about Brexit and also talking about Donald Trump and
Speaker:how the Basia does the deplorables.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And how the left just calling people who disagree.
Speaker:You disagree with racist isn't going to help.
Speaker:No, because all you get is people who go, well, I've already been called a racist.
Speaker:I might as well go the whole hog.
Speaker:Indeed.
Speaker:So, so this is a bit from a previous clip, but it's worth
Speaker:for showing that sort of idea.
Speaker:Here we go.
Speaker:I mean, first of all, Brexit, what the fuck happened there?
Speaker:Well, the left employed a cunning two prong strategy by one
Speaker:calling every Lee voter a racist.
Speaker:And two failing to put forward a positive case for remain right
Speaker:Weird hound not engaging 17 million Brits and slacking them off instead.
Speaker:Didn't win them over, but at least yelling racist online, made us
Speaker:feel good about ourselves and had no bad long-lasting side effects.
Speaker:The UK has voted to leave the European Union.
Speaker:Ah, shit.
Speaker:Well don't worry.
Speaker:After Brexit, we learned our lesson and then the US election came along.
Speaker:We thought, Nash, let's just do that again.
Speaker:You could.
Speaker:Half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables.
Speaker:Not surprisingly, the left campaign of vote for us, your Peters of
Speaker:shit didn't pan out so well.
Speaker:Ah, I don't know what I said.
Speaker:Ah, but don't worry.
Speaker:It's not just the big battles.
Speaker:The left are totally useless on a small scale as well.
Speaker:This is largely thanks to the foul brick of nightmares.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Vote for the voice.
Speaker:You useless pieces of shit.
Speaker:I think, I think that's unfortunately part of what will
Speaker:happen in the upcoming debate.
Speaker:So, yes, Brahman a rhetorical question.
Speaker:So, so yeah, Joe's back vote for us, you useless pieces of shit is, is
Speaker:possibly the, or vote for the voice.
Speaker:You useless racist pieces of shit is possibly one tactic that's gonna be
Speaker:deployed and likely to be unsuccessful.
Speaker:So, We'll see how that all pans out.
Speaker:And then they'll be shocked that they've lost the vote.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And blame it on.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:They'll sit and just blame it on racist.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So right.
Speaker:Jacinda decided to pull up stumps early instead of hanging
Speaker:around for 20 or 30 years.
Speaker:Site I've had enough said, essentially she'd run out of gas and energy to
Speaker:do the job and wanted to move on.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Completely understandable.
Speaker:Ah, in that position, you could only keep at that pace for so long and
Speaker:and she got her fair share of death threats and, and nasty comments that
Speaker:she would have to deal with as well.
Speaker:So, that sort of things would not have been helpful.
Speaker:But Tony Martin.
Speaker:Tweeted and he showed a two headlines or, or two sort of spreads
Speaker:from the Australian newspaper.
Speaker:So, one of which was talking about c saying empty end for the saint of the left
Speaker:queen of woke leaves chaos in her wake.
Speaker:That was their headlines of Jacinda.
Speaker:Meanwhile, the headline on George Pell, God's Strong Man,
Speaker:this is the, this is the same newspaper Jacinda that Jin Nappi
Speaker:Dipper Price was, was praising for its even-handed approach to facts and
Speaker:the absolutely scathing of Jacinda er.
Speaker:I was gonna say strangely, so supportive of George Pell, but
Speaker:it's, it's not strange, is it?
Speaker:Unfortunately.
Speaker:So completely different approaches.
Speaker:Tony Cock, who was a former News Corp journalist, said, news Corp.
Speaker:Drones lining up to slag off at Jacinda a one of the world's great leaders.
Speaker:They dislike this wonderful woman because she would never allow
Speaker:disgusting news Corp vomit posing his newspapers into New Zealand.
Speaker:Look forward to us, UK, and Australia, following her great lead.
Speaker:There's no evidence for that.
Speaker:Like there is nothing actually stopping News Corp from buying newspapers
Speaker:or running media in New Zealand.
Speaker:They just don't for some reason.
Speaker:So that's not quite true.
Speaker:On Sky News, a quote from Douglas Murray.
Speaker:Who said New Zealand's outgoing Prime Minister Jacinda has a
Speaker:phoniness and a fakeness about her says Arthur, Douglass, Murray Joe.
Speaker:I think you could say negative things about Jacinda, but phoniness and fakeness.
Speaker:I think you, there's nothing phony or fake about her in the, I think I thought
Speaker:she's, she was a good leader for a country and, and even if you say she was
Speaker:bad and a whole range of economic Yeah.
Speaker:Criteria, which we will get into to say she was phony or
Speaker:fake is completely off the mark.
Speaker:Like it's nonsense.
Speaker:But that's Douglas Murray for you.
Speaker:It's just a prick.
Speaker:And for those of you who've got a long memory from episode 349, , I at that
Speaker:time saw the rationalists, did a piece on Douglas Murray and waxing lyrical
Speaker:about what a wonderful aite man he was.
Speaker:And it was just a pleasure to listen to him.
Speaker:And I was sort of countering that saying he's just a prick who's
Speaker:speaking nonsense most of the time.
Speaker:And and he's just a a partisan for conservative talking points whose
Speaker:straw man's left wing views and tries to present the conservative viewers
Speaker:as the common sense middle path.
Speaker:And he gets away with it because of a lovely posh etonian accent.
Speaker:And so, so yeah, that was an article on the rationalist praising Douglas Murray.
Speaker:And I like to think I've pegged.
Speaker:Douglas Murray correctly as a conservative prick.
Speaker:And that article where he accuses Jin of fakeness and fas added to the evidence
Speaker:list talking of libertarian beers.
Speaker:London just says, good evening.
Speaker:Hello Landon.
Speaker:Everyone's there, Shane.
Speaker:Everyone's there.
Speaker:So good on you.
Speaker:Yeah, and Mike Carlton said, amusing, isn't it?
Speaker:All the hacks, scribblers babblers, now furiously bagging Jacinda a
Speaker:are the same clutch of Halfwits.
Speaker:He thought smirk Morrison was God's gift to democracy.
Speaker:So true.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I learned a few things about some of the policies they had.
Speaker:Oh, Landon says, don't hate on the posh accent,
Speaker:In a shock move.
Speaker:The, a LED New Zealand government at some stage announced the repeal of negative
Speaker:gearing, which took effect for all future purchases, plus a phase out plan of five
Speaker:years for existing investment properties.
Speaker:So I never knew that, Joe.
Speaker:Did you know that?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:But New Zealand see how poor our media is.
Speaker:Like obviously, dear listener, I'm reading a lot of stuff and I had no idea that
Speaker:the New Zealand government had repealed negative gearing for future purchases
Speaker:and had done a phase out over a five years for existing investment properties.
Speaker:Good for them.
Speaker:Very interesting.
Speaker:But they did.
Speaker:It's weird.
Speaker:I, I grew up on a very wealthy island you know, flat 20% tax.
Speaker:and negative gearing was not a thing.
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:Negative gearing for your primary residence was a thing.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:But not for rental investment properties.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:She m it, she mixed it up with another policy, which didn't help.
Speaker:James says, can we helicopter her into a safe labor seat here?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well she, she'd actually have probably more constituents
Speaker:than she had in New Zealand.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:. Yeah.
Speaker:I think I think of politicians we've imported from New Zealand Barnaby
Speaker:Joyce, I mean, he was a Kiwi, wasn't he?
Speaker:Was the only one I could think of.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:She'd be an improvement on Barnaby.
Speaker:I think she'd, one of the sheep would be an improvement on Barnaby.
Speaker:Come.
Speaker:She'd just have to remember to renounce her citizenship of New Zealand, take
Speaker:up Australian citizenship, not hold a dual passport and fallow section 44.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Why would she want to.
Speaker:So okay, I'm gonna give you two competing views on the success of
Speaker:what she was doing economically.
Speaker:One.
Speaker:The first one is going to be from the Sydney Morning Herald, an opinion piece by
Speaker:Rashina Campbell, Melbourne City counselor and conservative Melbourne City counselor.
Speaker:Anti is the first one she wrote.
Speaker:AUR was only able to form government because she was prepared to form
Speaker:a coalition with New Zealand.
Speaker:First by agreeing to make Winston Peters her deputy, the Kiwi equivalent
Speaker:of Pauline Hansen's one Nation.
Speaker:I think that's a little bit tough to call Winston Peters, Pauline Hansen.
Speaker:Anyway On the face of it, there were strange bedfellows until
Speaker:you remember, ER was promising.
Speaker:If she were elected, labor would cut immigration by 30,000
Speaker:people from over 70,000 a year.
Speaker:So, so saying that agreement meant she would cut immigration, her other
Speaker:policy offering was a promise to tackle housing crisis because she
Speaker:said in opposition, too many families are missing out on buying homes.
Speaker:And in this article, this woman says in New Zealand's 2018 census taken six months
Speaker:after labor came to power, showed 64.5% home ownership lowest level since 1951.
Speaker:In the five years she was in office, she was unable to reverse that.
Speaker:And it's predicted to drop 63.
Speaker:Six.
Speaker:So she didn't fix home ownership as the argument.
Speaker:And one reason this person argues was that there was actually
Speaker:an increase in migration.
Speaker:Contrary to the promise, there was more migration under aer and there
Speaker:was a program called Kiwi Build.
Speaker:2 billion Scheme meant to deliver a hundred thousand
Speaker:affordable homes within a decade.
Speaker:Five years in and only 1300 have been built and data showing that in the
Speaker:first half of last year, New Zealand was demolishing homes at a faster
Speaker:rate than it was building them.
Speaker:So failure of supply, increased demand, turbo cha turbocharged house prices,
Speaker:there's no land tax or stamp duty.
Speaker:Therefore it's all ER's fault that there was a major property bubble.
Speaker:And also, what else have we got there at the same time that
Speaker:she scrapped negative gearing?
Speaker:AUR also expanded New Zealand's version of capital gains tax on housing
Speaker:under which profits on the sale of investment properties are taxed at
Speaker:the seller's marginal income tax rate.
Speaker:So in order to avoid paying capital gains tax you had, it used to be,
Speaker:you had to hold it for five years and she said you had to hold it for 10.
Speaker:And that trapped investors who might otherwise have sold it in year six
Speaker:and they thought, oh geez, now I've gotta hold it for 10 years, otherwise
Speaker:I'll pay a capital gains tax.
Speaker:So that might have been a mistake.
Speaker:Anyway, that's the gift of a negative.
Speaker:Review from that person.
Speaker:And meanwhile, there's a guy called Alan Austin who does talks about economics
Speaker:and he gives you the opposite version.
Speaker:And I'm gonna have to just change screens here so I can just see what I'm doing.
Speaker:Hold on a second.
Speaker:Expand that one out and just get, oh, there it is there.
Speaker:Bear with me one second while I get this PowerPoint up.
Speaker:Nearly there.
Speaker:Hold on.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:So this is Alan Austin and he said, Murdoch's whaling old white men's scribes
Speaker:get Jacinda dead wrong again, as the world is thanking Jacinda profoundly
Speaker:for her 14 years, a large number of white male scribes have joined in a
Speaker:frenzy of extraordinary bitter attacks.
Speaker:He quotes different quotes from Greg Sheridan and James McPherson
Speaker:and Guy Adams in the Daily Mail where they're railing about Jacinda.
Speaker:And he says, we now have GDP growth of all 38 wealthy O E C D members and New
Speaker:Zealand now ranks fourth, the highest ranking since records have been kept.
Speaker:And there's a chart on the screen showing that for the third quarter,
Speaker:2022, if you like, GDP as a metric, then New Zealand ranked fourth of
Speaker:the 38 O E C D member countries.
Speaker:So, people bagging her, never mentioned that statistic.
Speaker:And in terms of employment actually I'll just see what this chart comes up.
Speaker:Next one.
Speaker:Employment jobless rate has been 3.4% or lower since June, 2021.
Speaker:And in March, 2022, the rate was 3.2% the lowest since records have been kept.
Speaker:So that's ranked fifth in the O E C D.
Speaker:So right at this point in time, New Zealand fourth in terms of O
Speaker:E C D with GDP growth record in terms of low unemployment, and
Speaker:actually fifth in the O E C D.
Speaker:So, and he says that wages have increased satisfactorily
Speaker:from $30.51 per hour to 37.93.
Speaker:Current inflation in New Zealand, 7.2% below a peak of 7.3.
Speaker:This is below the O E C D average of 11.6 and healthy budget
Speaker:surpluses in 2017, 2018 and 2019.
Speaker:Obviously the pandemic recession caused a deficit of 7.3% and he
Speaker:gives figures of how that improves.
Speaker:So, so yeah, GDP growth, really good uni unemployment rate, really good
Speaker:inflation rate, really good comparatively.
Speaker:And even in housing approvals Sheridan had written in substance.
Speaker:Dan was a flop.
Speaker:She promised the government would build a hundred thousand homes.
Speaker:It built barely a thousand.
Speaker:And according to Alan Austin, he looks at stats nz.
Speaker:And total housing starts have risen in every ER year and
Speaker:boomed over the last two.
Speaker:And there's a graph there showing number of new dwellings approved
Speaker:per year, per thousand residents.
Speaker:That's a good graph from the ER point of view.
Speaker:So it's an example of right wing Murdoch Media will say all negative
Speaker:things about the attorney government.
Speaker:You can take other figures and paint a completely different
Speaker:picture if you wish, Joe.
Speaker:There are lies, damn lies and statistics.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And people will manipulate them around as they see fit.
Speaker:But there's a bunch of arguments there for people who want to argue that
Speaker:AUR was a hopeless economic manager.
Speaker:There's a lot of good data there to say, well, possibly not.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:That was Jin de Let me just bring this window back so I can get this thing
Speaker:over here and see what else we've got.
Speaker:Jim Mullan, I've already talked about.
Speaker:Are we going for time?
Speaker:Eight 15.
Speaker:Another 10 minutes or so.
Speaker:Pokes.
Speaker:Joe, we spoke about the blight of poker machines in New
Speaker:South Wales a few weeks ago.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:came across this tweet just about Australian slang and vernacular in
Speaker:Australia slot slash fruit machines.
Speaker:And no one is the pokies, but there are several other slang
Speaker:expressions to describe them.
Speaker:The most colorful ones that I've heard are the brick layers laptop, the pensioners,
Speaker:piano , and the plumbers PlayStation.
Speaker:Ever heard any of those?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I mean, the first and the last makes sense.
Speaker:I'm not so sure about the middle one.
Speaker:Well, the pensioners piano, I thought that was the best one.
Speaker:Oh, okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Have you heard the slang for uh, you know, you got a barbecue chicken
Speaker:from Coles or Woollies, you know what that's called other than the choke No.
Speaker:Bachelor's handbag.
Speaker:Ah, yeah.
Speaker:Like that one.
Speaker:It's too much for a bachelor to eat on his own.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, lunch the next day.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Maybe.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Ah, stuff from Caitlin Johnston.
Speaker:There's another mess.
Speaker:There's a spade of mass shootings in America again.
Speaker:Oh, Joe, did you?
Speaker:Terrible scene with the young black fellow beaten by policemen.
Speaker:I didn't see it.
Speaker:I figured it was too gruesome to watch, but I heard that it was gruesome.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So, and they have been comments that, yeah, great.
Speaker:They've kicked the police out, but they only kicked him out cuz they were black.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And had they been white, it would've taken him a lot longer
Speaker:to actually do anything about it.
Speaker:Quite possibly.
Speaker:I think the evidence is so compelling.
Speaker:Even white officers would've been immediately dismissed on this one.
Speaker:Cuz there's just a group of them holding this guy up as another
Speaker:guy just lands haymakers on him.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, it's, and they, they shut down the entire police task force
Speaker:that they were members of.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Funny thing is Joe, you call a task force operations scorpion.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And.
Speaker:and they tend out to be quite violent characters.
Speaker:Maybe next time you have a group, maybe they call 'em an aggressive operation.
Speaker:Fluffy Teddy Bears,
Speaker:that's it.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Operation Community Consultants, operation.
Speaker:We're here to help operation, but just not Operation Scorpio.
Speaker:Operation Martin Luther King.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Apparently the police chief, female black, responsible for that group had
Speaker:set up a similar group in a different state, which had also had behavior issues.
Speaker:So, yeah, terrible things.
Speaker:I mean, if that sort of stuff had happened in China, they'd just
Speaker:be all over it with the look at those communists and what they do.
Speaker:But this is just an everyday occurrence in yellow noise matter.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Basically there was another mass shooting.
Speaker:Caitlin Johnston found all his quotes by people, famous celebrities,
Speaker:politicians, or whatever, like Pete butter, butter cheek.
Speaker:Oh, what's his mayor Pete.
Speaker:Mayor Pete.
Speaker:What's his, Peter Peter, what is it?
Speaker:Buji Peter?
Speaker:No, it's no pronounced different than that.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:He was a typical one who said, I did not, I did not carry an assault weapon around a
Speaker:foreign country, so I could come home and see them used to massacre my countryman.
Speaker:And you know, Caitlin Johnson makes a point whenever there's a mass
Speaker:shooting with a semi-automatic firearm in the us you get a tsunami
Speaker:of Democrats falling over themselves to proclaim that those weapons should
Speaker:only be used to kill foreigners.
Speaker:And it's true, like all these tweets are essentially like boot, boot jag's.
Speaker:Comment was, well, I, I had one overseas when I was killing foreigners,
Speaker:but I don't wanna see them here.
Speaker:Hakeem Jeffries said Weapons of war should be used to Hunt, weapons of
Speaker:war, used to Hunt human beings have no place in a civilized society.
Speaker:There's another one here is Hillary Clinton said Weapons of
Speaker:war have no place on our streets.
Speaker:Point being from Caitlin is happy to have those weapons in other
Speaker:people's streets overseas in a war.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Which you are conducting most of the time.
Speaker:And one of them was gen.
Speaker:Generally they're not aimed at civilians.
Speaker:Well, against the rule, it's against the rules of war.
Speaker:In, in theory, if you were signed up to the Geneva Convention, which
Speaker:of course the Americans aren't.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Or the u un Court of Human Rights or whatever it is.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:International.
Speaker:It's the I cj, isn't it?
Speaker:There's so many things that they're not signed up to.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But I mean, the, the war for crimes would be the, I cj Yeah.
Speaker:I dunno, I dunno.
Speaker:They in acronyms, I dunno.
Speaker:Ba basically the Americans have said they won't ho hand
Speaker:over soldiers to a war crime.
Speaker:Str or Ah, okay.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Because they're beyond that.
Speaker:, this one, this George Taai, he's the guy, ex Star Trek.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Sulu, yes.
Speaker:Quite a presence on social media.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Like made a career on Twitter essentially.
Speaker:and his response to the shooting was crazy thought.
Speaker:But those 20 million AR fifteens now in this country could
Speaker:Sure arm a lot of Ukrainians.
Speaker:Yes, yes.
Speaker:This is the thing.
Speaker:Well, you don't want 'em here, but we obviously want 'em overseas.
Speaker:Can the other people we're just not here.
Speaker:I, I think they've got more than enough rifles though.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I think Ukrainians want more.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Aircraft and tanks and bigger, bigger stuff.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Bigger boom booms.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:We're close enough to 8 57 Joe, so I'm gonna call it on that one.
Speaker:Thanks everyone in the chat room.
Speaker:I see Tom, the warehouse guy made it at the end there.
Speaker:So good on you Tom.
Speaker:Now is everybody reading the Carbon Club, Joe?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:To start, not yet.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I've still got my previous book to finish off and I haven't got around to that, so.
Speaker:Oh, okay.
Speaker:So you all have to read the Carbon Club cause we'll be doing book club at the
Speaker:end of February with that one, with Paul.
Speaker:I've about a hundred pages into what it's a damning indictment of John Howard so far
Speaker:and, and just shock horror and, and just the clubby atmosphere of these operatives.
Speaker:Yeah, I, James is saying he finished the audio book over the weekend.
Speaker:I looked unfortunately it's in the Brisbane City Library, but it's not
Speaker:in Morton Bay and I'm in Morton Bay.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Cuz I looked on whatever the, the library lending overdrive is the library
Speaker:ebook and audiobook lending service.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So if you are a member of Brisbane City, and if you're not.
Speaker:In Morton Bay, check out whatever your local library is.
Speaker:They may have an a copy available for you to listen to.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:For free.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Very good.
Speaker:So that's your homework.
Speaker:Dear listener.
Speaker:Get a version of that somehow and talk to you next week.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:For now, honey, it's a good night from him.
