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Episode 356 - Will the Christian Takeover Split the Liberal Party?
In this episode we discuss:
Episode 356
- AU Dominionism
- Ousted Liberal Party MP Cathrine Burnett-Wake condemns extremists in politics
- Victorian Liberal Party branch stacking claims as Pentecostal church 'infiltrates' branches
- Australians must not ignore the Religious Right’s global warnings
- SA Liberals
- Fiona Patten
- Crystal Ball
- Smoking ceremonies
- RI Opposition is Marxist
- Crikey – Maybe don’t donate?
- Steve Price was cancelled
- Hurricanes and Cyclones
- Politicians UK
- Politicians AU
- Federal ICAC looks good
- Please Drop Aukus
- Jason Clare
- Angus Taylor
- Senator Hume
- Men’s Shed
- Positive Patriotism Perhaps
- UAP Deregistered
- Profits Vs Wages
- Latest data is out
- Ross Gittens
- Alan Austin
- Stiglitz was in Australia
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Speaker:Well, hello there.
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Speaker:I'm Trevor, aka the Iron.
Speaker:Fist with me as always, Joe, the tech guy.
Speaker:Evening Ill.
Speaker:So, yeah, what's going on in the world?
Speaker:We're gonna talk about.
Speaker:Religion in Australia, we haven't really talked about enough lately.
Speaker:I mean, this is a podcast.
Speaker:It's Genesis was about bagging religion and promoting secularism and probably
Speaker:haven't spoken enough about what's happening in religion in Australia.
Speaker:So you're gonna kick off with that and then maybe look at a bit of
Speaker:what's happening in the uk and then with local politics and maybe
Speaker:profits versus wages and other stuff.
Speaker:Sportsmen behaving badly.
Speaker:They never do that, right?
Speaker:No right wing dating apps in America, things like that.
Speaker:So see where we end up?
Speaker:You're in the chat room, say hello.
Speaker:I'm still in a post covid fog, so still not operating at a hundred
Speaker:percent and stopped coughing largely, but yeah, just slight headaches and
Speaker:just tired so, You could avoid Covid.
Speaker:I strongly recommend avoiding it.
Speaker:So, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:My next door neighbor has been hacking away that night.
Speaker:Cuz their bathroom face my bathroom, my hair echoing
Speaker:around.
Speaker:Yuck.
Speaker:So anyway, um Right.
Speaker:Oh, how two people attended.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Good on you, John and Eric already in there.
Speaker:Good on you, John.
Speaker:And Eric, well, Australian Dominion is I think more and more people are
Speaker:becoming aware of what we've been rabbiting on about on this podcast
Speaker:for the last few years, which has been the sort of takeover of the Liberal
Speaker:party by hard line Christian elements.
Speaker:In particular, these sort of Pentecostal groups and Mormons
Speaker:and others who are using.
Speaker:You know, really the relatively small numbers in our liberal party
Speaker:branches are finding it quite easy to outnumber the ordinary folk and
Speaker:install hard line Christian people in as candidates and in positions of power.
Speaker:And so there's been a few developments in the last little while to talk about,
Speaker:so, so what we've got is an ousted liberal party mp, Catherine Bernard Wake.
Speaker:She came out in a speech in Parliament and basically condemned what was happening.
Speaker:So I'll read a bit of a report from the ABC about that.
Speaker:So, a Victorian liberal party politician who was ousted at pre-selection by a
Speaker:candidate linked to a Pentecostal church has lashed out at extremism in politics
Speaker:in her final speech as a parliamentarian.
Speaker:So I guess the fact that she did this in Parliament helps with the publicity
Speaker:angle and she was widely expected to contest the November State election
Speaker:and was personally endorsed by federal opposition leader Peter Dutton.
Speaker:But she was tossed from the ticket when City Builders Church member
Speaker:Renee Heath won pre-selection.
Speaker:Joe.
Speaker:A lot of these new age churches have got these funny names.
Speaker:River Life Church.
Speaker:City builders, City Point, Just hills.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So this one was City Builders Church.
Speaker:In her valedictory speech, the outgoing MP said, quote, these cults try to splinter
Speaker:our society while ironically speaking of oneness and unity, that is true.
Speaker:These groups are divisive.
Speaker:They want to talk about themselves as being inclusive.
Speaker:They're inclusive to members of
Speaker:their cult, correct?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And they see promoting themselves as being inclusive.
Speaker:Their extreme positions always serve a divide and conquer approach.
Speaker:Still quoting Miss Pen p Ordinary Victorians need to awaken to
Speaker:the threat from these groups.
Speaker:Should have said they should just go through the back catalog of
Speaker:the i G podcast, but she didn't.
Speaker:Maybe she wasn't aware of it.
Speaker:No, maybe she's not.
Speaker:We must be vigilant and we must ensure that our democracy is upheld.
Speaker:And an ABC investigation last month found dozens of liberal party members,
Speaker:particularly in Gippsland, had recently left the party due to concerns
Speaker:about infiltration by church groups.
Speaker:Stall wart party members told the ABC that religious groups were
Speaker:teaming up to take over numerous liberal party branches in Gippsland.
Speaker:Again, that politician speaking in parliament said infiltrate
Speaker:impact ipel is their strategy.
Speaker:The goal is to target faltering democratic institutions where a well
Speaker:organized minority can effectively disenfranchise the majority.
Speaker:removing moderate representation options from voters and degrading
Speaker:faith in democratic process.
Speaker:She really probably went as hard as he could in a parliamentary
Speaker:speech about this, I would say so.
Speaker:Got my shoulder different article from Beck Simmons in the abc.
Speaker:Still on the same topic three days after Pentecostal Pastor Brian.
Speaker:Joined the liberal Victorian party in August, 2019.
Speaker:He invited an international guest to address his congregation.
Speaker:So Pentecostal pastor, three days after joining the liberal party,
Speaker:invites an international guest and he invited Malaysian Pastor Jonathan
Speaker:David, the founder of an international apostolic Apostolic, apostolic mm
Speaker:network that encourages churches to penetrate and conco the nation around.
Speaker:In preparation for the second coming.
Speaker:So three years later, no, two years later.
Speaker:Two years later, the church was hosting the annual general meeting
Speaker:for members of the Liberal Party Gibson Federal Electorate Conference.
Speaker:Ah, I'm sure they got preferential rates hiring a home.
Speaker:Yeah, He joins and two years later they're hosting the Liberal
Speaker:Party Gibson Federal Electorate.
Speaker:Mr.
Speaker:Heath, a former family first candidate is now the Vice President of the
Speaker:Liberal Party's Morwell branch.
Speaker:Good upstanding
Speaker:members
Speaker:of the community.
Speaker:I mean, these guys play a long game, but they also get a hell
Speaker:of a lot done quickly as well.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:In two years, he's hosting the conference and he's the vice president.
Speaker:Money comes from the states.
Speaker:How much money?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:For their, From the United States?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:For this.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker:I just get enough locally and just badger people.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Maybe
Speaker:I, I did hear the chaplains?
Speaker:I think we're getting some funding from the states.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:There's a Gold Coast chaplain.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, who is being funded by churches in.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:That wouldn't surprise.
Speaker:Alison saying, Look at the very long game that the Federalist
Speaker:Society's playing in the
Speaker:States.
Speaker:Indeed.
Speaker:Party members say, so there's little party members are saying that
Speaker:dwindling membership bases have left local branches, vulnerable to groups
Speaker:seeking to build their power base.
Speaker:This is a quote from one of those.
Speaker:Our current membership is aging, unable to recruit younger members, and
Speaker:therefore leaves a door open for the sorts of things that's been happening.
Speaker:Said a Victorian liberal party member.
Speaker:I think there's a lot of us who just feel disenchanted.
Speaker:He said for three years he had watched the City Builder's Church and its
Speaker:Pentecostal allies take over local party branches in the states east.
Speaker:And the ABC has seen email correspondence between the liberal party officials.
Speaker:The state director and the state president highlighting concerns about
Speaker:this, and they're saying that they can see it's coming through a single faith
Speaker:community, these new sort of signups.
Speaker:Interestingly, Jay, they're saying most of the new members contacted
Speaker:and requested to assist in the 2018 state election campaign,
Speaker:declined to assist in any capacity.
Speaker:So I recognize.
Speaker:Throats and on.
Speaker:That's it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And maybe until their man or woman is in place, and then they'll become active.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:and almost hope that the existing person does poorly to
Speaker:make it easier to take over.
Speaker:So sign up and then do nothing except vote is the strategy it seems.
Speaker:And this guy's daughter Renee.
Speaker:So Mr.
Speaker:Heath's daughter.
Speaker:So we're talking about Mr.
Speaker:Heath was a former family first candidate, now his daughter an active
Speaker:church member and chiropractor.
Speaker:Yeah, that's the worrying bed.
Speaker:The chiropractor.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Alarm bells ringed me.
Speaker:So she was pre, pre-selected for the liberal party's upper house ticket.
Speaker:She declined to be interviewed, So did he.
Speaker:She says, I'm not my father.
Speaker:To suggest that I am is offensive and it belittles me well, yeah.
Speaker:There's difference in size between them.
Speaker:For start, mm.
Speaker:The ABC asked Mrs.
Speaker:Heath, Ms.
Speaker:Heath, for her stance on abortion and same-sex marriage given her church's
Speaker:views, but she declined to respond.
Speaker:What a shock.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So these people are really angry about those sorts of progressive
Speaker:social changes and wanna turn it back?
Speaker:Have we seen happen in the world anywhere recently, Joe?
Speaker:A turning back of progressive social issues like abortion.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And
Speaker:it's, it's actually, it looks like it is very much dividing
Speaker:the Republicans in the state.
Speaker:I really think this year's elections are gonna be, is it this?
Speaker:Midterms.
Speaker:The midterm.
Speaker:Midterm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I, I think the Republicans are going to get a bloody nose on this because
Speaker:so many people, even Republicans are
Speaker:saying
Speaker:that was too far.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:I've got a theory on all this, which I'll get to.
Speaker:I, I'm quite interested
Speaker:that Gippsland has a liberal party because a friend of mine was very heavily involved
Speaker:with the National Party in Gippsland.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And, and you wouldn't think they'd have a liberal and a national standing in
Speaker:the same.
Speaker:Dunno.
Speaker:And this is a lot of state politics we're talking about at the moment.
Speaker:Oh, is state, I dunno.
Speaker:Yeah, I think that was federal.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Maybe.
Speaker:Lots of people resigning from the party.
Speaker:It says here.
Speaker:Lots of the people unnerved by the whole thing.
Speaker:And look, I, I just, I'll fast forward to my crystal ball.
Speaker:So, So Joe, I reckon, like you've just mentioned, the Republican party and we've
Speaker:got a really clear picture now of the liberal party upheaval where existing
Speaker:normal members, if you like, are leaving.
Speaker:I don't see that there's any salvation for the liberal party.
Speaker:It's not like, I don't think there's a strong enough movement to repel them.
Speaker:They're just gonna keep taking it over these hard line Christian groups.
Speaker:and I think in the process they'll make themselves unelectable as a party.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Like, Joe, this could actually, maybe we should be looking at this as a good thing.
Speaker:Well, it, it's the same with their anti-climate change stance.
Speaker:The fact that the deals did so well.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Wasn't a reflection on how great labor was.
Speaker:It, it was a reflection on these people who want to vote liberal.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Are, are upset about the way that the party is going on climate change?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So Joe, if all these people leave the liberal party and can't
Speaker:vote for them anymore, they're not gonna join Labor Party.
Speaker:They want to be a sort of pro business, pro, you know, no
Speaker:government regulation, blah, blah, blah, without the religious element.
Speaker:I mean, they'll be tempted to start a.
Speaker:Political party of some sort.
Speaker:I thought they already had.
Speaker:Can we predict a, you know, there was, you know, Labor had that DLP split,
Speaker:which I can't remember the exact circumstances of it now off the top of
Speaker:my head, but political parties do split.
Speaker:And you know, the problem for Americans is that they don't have preferential voting.
Speaker:Like really opening up another party is not an option, but
Speaker:it certainly is an option.
Speaker:, I, you know, if the liberals split in, create a new party, then the danger
Speaker:is that the, let's say they call it the conservative party, for example.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, then the old liberal party falls into rock and ruin is unelectable because it just
Speaker:looks like family first and Fred Nile.
Speaker:And the, the, the worry for the new conservative party would be.
Speaker:How do we just stop these nutts coming into our, our new fresh
Speaker:party and taking it over again?
Speaker:Yeah, I guess you'd write those.
Speaker:I know that the British psychiatric something or other had a problem
Speaker:with Scientologists taking over.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And they joined and they were electing new members basically onto the.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And they had to introduce the law that, or a bylaw that said you
Speaker:couldn't own, you could only be elected onto the board if you'd been
Speaker:a member for more than five years.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And that stopped an influx of new members voting.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:People on,
Speaker:Well I know in New South Wales they sort of changed things to make
Speaker:it, the membership just longer.
Speaker:But that was fine cuz these guys play a long game.
Speaker:Like I'll just sign up and wait two years, three years, however long it takes.
Speaker:And I reckon it just makes it harder then for the non-religious
Speaker:groups to mount rest back.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Cuz they can't convince people.
Speaker:The other thing is, if you've started a new party, you can't very well
Speaker:say, Well you have to have been a member of the party for five years.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Cause nobody has been.
Speaker:So that's a new party.
Speaker:I think Joe, the only solution would be for the new conservative party to say.
Speaker:To have a, have a policy that was so, a abo to religious people
Speaker:that they could never join.
Speaker:Like if it was, it was completely very hard line secular that religious
Speaker:people couldn't join, and it was a fundamental tenant of the constitution
Speaker:of the party that was Iron clad.
Speaker:I think that's the only defense I, I.
Speaker:But they, they want mainstream religious people.
Speaker:They just don't want the fringe.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, I think that the core of that demographic is, you know,
Speaker:mainstream Catholic, mainstream
Speaker:Anglican.
Speaker:Well, to keep these nutts out, I can't think of any other way.
Speaker:If they create a new party split off, I just think what's to
Speaker:stop them doing it all again?
Speaker:I think the only way to shore it up and stop it at me again is, Is
Speaker:to make themselves un palatable to what these dominion want to do
Speaker:could work out for us in the end.
Speaker:This whole thing, like as seculars?
Speaker:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker:People who are disdain for religion.
Speaker:I just
Speaker:don't see the conservatives ever giving up
Speaker:religion.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well I think they're just going to, looks like they're just gonna
Speaker:become more and more irrelevant of.
Speaker:At some point they want power and they'll just be sick of it.
Speaker:So they don't like people
Speaker:greens in the labor.
Speaker:Yeah, I dunno.
Speaker:I mean, you look at these everyday rank and file liberal party members
Speaker:who just don't want any part of this, they're just leaving.
Speaker:So, ah, what do they say in the chat room?
Speaker:Is this a crazy idea of mine?
Speaker:Is this possible?
Speaker:So, I think.
Speaker:Yeah, just sort of crystal ball gazing and looking into the future.
Speaker:As this liberal party becomes more and more crazy and more normal people leave,
Speaker:it has to split, have to form a new party and they'll have to do something
Speaker:to keep the nutts out, is my view.
Speaker:So we'll see how that all pans out.
Speaker:I thought, I
Speaker:thought there was the new liberal party or the new, something had started in.
Speaker:Maybe six months a year ago.
Speaker:Haven't really, I haven't seen a group split off from the liberal party though.
Speaker:As a isn't, as a split from them.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I,
Speaker:I thought I saw something.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, I'd need to go and check.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:What else still got on this topic is there was an article by Lucy Hamilton and.
Speaker:She was saying Australians must not ignore the religious rights, global warnings.
Speaker:She says, This is not a movement that thinks in election cycles.
Speaker:Does take it almost a century for American businessmen and preachers
Speaker:appalled by atheist communism to make over the Republican party
Speaker:as a Christian libertarian force.
Speaker:That's true.
Speaker:They pay longer.
Speaker:, Pentecostal evangelicals are now central to Republican power.
Speaker:Donald Trump received 80%.
Speaker:Of the white Evangelical vote in 2016 and 75% in 2020, and they
Speaker:formed 35% of Republican coalition.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That
Speaker:was full.
Speaker:Well, and Reagan wasn't it?
Speaker:But the moral, moral majority, and Reagan was desperately
Speaker:trying to win over the Yep.
Speaker:The conservative vote.
Speaker:And, and that's when abortion became a, a splinter issue.
Speaker:I think even earlier than that, abortion became a splinter issue.
Speaker:Well, I
Speaker:certainly, I think in the sixties, the evangelicals, the,
Speaker:the, the Not the Catholics.
Speaker:Everyone thought it was just a Catholic problem and they thought it was between
Speaker:a woman and her God and the doctor.
Speaker:Yes,
Speaker:indeed.
Speaker:Your standard Protestant didn't care.
Speaker:It was not an issue for them.
Speaker:Even a evangelical Christian
Speaker:Correct.
Speaker:Didn't care.
Speaker:It was created as a means of a political wedge.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:in a sense, and created as a thing.
Speaker:They intentionally made a cultural shift and made it a
Speaker:big thing for for Protestants.
Speaker:And lo and behold it was, yeah, to win votes to create, to, to help.
Speaker:Was it Nixon to help Nixon win the south?
Speaker:I can't remember exactly, but it was a way of trying to garner the southern vote.
Speaker:Yeah, right.
Speaker:A very intentional designed wed.
Speaker:What have we got here?
Speaker:Bill, Bill Bar.
Speaker:Trump's last Attorney General delivered an address at Notre Dame University in
Speaker:2019 that illustrated the anxieties in ultra conservative Catholic circles.
Speaker:The militant secularists were executing a campaign to destroy
Speaker:the traditional moral order.
Speaker:All kinds of social pathology were undermining America as a result
Speaker:of this progressive war on the traditional Judeo-Christian moral.
Speaker:Churches like or groups like church militant, present a crusader
Speaker:model of Catholicism, which fights alongside evangelical Christians
Speaker:for an end to abortion and a return to traditional sex roles.
Speaker:So this trend continues with the worldwide resurgence of authoritarian regimes.
Speaker:In classic fascist mode, a central feature is intolerance and bigotry associated
Speaker:with the defense of a mythical past.
Speaker:Of national glory.
Speaker:Religion is a key component of the culture defended of a homogenous nation.
Speaker:These movements believe can be recreated if only its defenders are ruthless enough.
Speaker:So Joe Italy elections, I was about to say, Italian
Speaker:elections, A their first female prime minister, who some people
Speaker:are saying is center right.
Speaker:Other people are saying she's a VASc.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I, I haven't delved deeply enough to check it
Speaker:out.
Speaker:Yes, I haven't either, but there's certainly a lot of talk that she's
Speaker:a pretty close to a modern day fascist, and Christianity plays a
Speaker:big role in her speeches as well.
Speaker:It's, it's this talk of the family traditional values, Christianity.
Speaker:It's interesting
Speaker:because I swear they had a former porn star, female porn star as a member
Speaker:of parliament not that long ago.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Things change, obviously.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But yeah, I mean, well, it's all a mixture, isn't it?
Speaker:It's, you've got the, the blue collar workers who have lost their work, who
Speaker:are looking to blame somebody, and you've got the these religious groups who are
Speaker:imploring for a return to traditional values and the good old days, if only we.
Speaker:get our morals back and then would get our economy back sort of thing.
Speaker:So it's an intertwining of, of all those concepts, not wasteful thinking.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And it all wraps up neatly in a little bit of a fascist
Speaker:bundle as well, unfortunately.
Speaker:Because the bloody left instead of.
Speaker:talking about class and helping the poor working man gets sidetracked
Speaker:with all these other issues.
Speaker:And then poor working man says, Well, I'm not hearing anything
Speaker:that's helpful over there.
Speaker:Where can I hear something that will be helpful?
Speaker:Oh, Donald Trump sounds okay.
Speaker:Or This fascist Italian leader sounds okay.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:and also they have the, the, the balls to say what you
Speaker:were thinking.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:This defense of family values or traditional culture is used to justify
Speaker:persecution of the targeted outgroups in typical fascist identity politics style.
Speaker:So, yeah, so this is true Russia, Republican America,
Speaker:Poland, Hungary, Brazil.
Speaker:It's not limited to Christian nations.
Speaker:Modi's, Hindu, India vision, for instance, embraces the.
Speaker:Tradition Justifications for oppression.
Speaker:So dangerous mix of religion, pulling emotional strings.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:with people who are economically poor looking for answers, looking for
Speaker:revenge, looking for something different.
Speaker:It's Mark's quote, isn't it?
Speaker:About religion in the opium of the people.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Well actually I've got, Let me let me bring a video here.
Speaker:So I got some nice feedback from people about the cultural Marxism episode.
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:So that was good.
Speaker:Let me play Now here's a clip from . Some Jewish professors did a study of religious
Speaker:instruction from a Jewish perspective, like Jewish religious instruction
Speaker:lessons in schools, and guess what?
Speaker:Ovarian in favor of it.
Speaker:But I, I Queensland parents for particular state schools, had a
Speaker:bit of a thing on a Facebook page.
Speaker:I extracted a little clip from what this professor had to say.
Speaker:Now let me just see what, let me just give you her credentials.
Speaker:You know what we're dealing with here.
Speaker:So this is Professor Susan Rutland and she's speaking on a radio
Speaker:station called Hope 1 0 3 0.2.
Speaker:I wonder what their room benders.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Apparently when you drive across America, Yeah.
Speaker:All you care about this is right?
Speaker:No, this is Australia.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But hey, we're on the way
Speaker:I was gonna say is when you drive out west, there's, there's the abc, there's
Speaker:the bookies, and then there's Christian radio, and those are the three things.
Speaker:You listen out west,
Speaker:is that right?
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:In Australia.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Apparently in America it's, you know, all ago at these Christian radio stations.
Speaker:Just,
Speaker:just past Toowoomba.
Speaker:Basically between Toowoomba and St.
Speaker:George.
Speaker:There are signs up about, you know, where will you be in a hundred years time?
Speaker:Repent now or spend your eternity burning in hell.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Tune into eternity.
Speaker:1 0 4 0.5.
Speaker:Well, it was,
Speaker:but I mean there's definitely, yeah, an area of Queensland
Speaker:that is very, very Bible belt.
Speaker:It is out there.
Speaker:It is.
Speaker:You do see a lot of signs on the way Toowoomba.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Anyway, so she's a professor emeritus of Religion, University of Sydney.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, let's hear.
Speaker:And she's talking about the opponents to the people like
Speaker:Queensland parents for secular state schools and people like Ferris.
Speaker:He's what she, what she's got to say.
Speaker:And what they're doing is representing that left-wing
Speaker:ideology, which starts with.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Marks argued that religion was the opiate of the people.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And that if one removed religion and class divisions, one
Speaker:would have the ideal society.
Speaker:Well, that was well and truly tested in 70 years in the former Soviet Union.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:What simply happened was religion went underground, but what one saw.
Speaker:Under this secular atheist societies.
Speaker:I mean, communism really became the new religion.
Speaker:But what's more millions were murdered.
Speaker:Nazi was also pagans.
Speaker:It was not a religion.
Speaker:It was antireligious in its core.
Speaker:So to say that religion is a source of all the world's ills and we
Speaker:just need to get rid of religion, it's a misreading of human nature.
Speaker:So there you go.
Speaker:Ladies at Queensland, Parents for secular state schools and always
Speaker:hardworking people at Ferris, you're just a bunch of Marxists.
Speaker:That's what you are.
Speaker:Once you've been labeled a Marxist, then you're a terrible person.
Speaker:You're responsible for all of the golas in the former Soviet
Speaker:Union and, and end of story.
Speaker:We don't even mean to talk about anymore, do we?
Speaker:The Nazis
Speaker:were so secular that they had belt buckles with God, with us engraved upon.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And, you know, and they cut deals with the pope Exactly.
Speaker:Various things.
Speaker:Which I'm now attempted to talk about I'll next week celebrating Hitler's birthday.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And the and the various agreements in terms of tithing that took place
Speaker:in Germany as a result of deals done between the Nazi and the, and
Speaker:the pipe and, and the shuffling.
Speaker:War criminals by the papai as well around the world.
Speaker:The rat run.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:Just, Oh, sorry.
Speaker:The rat line.
Speaker:Yeah, let's talk about that.
Speaker:And in not too distant future, but yeah.
Speaker:So, so communist Russia was as dogmatic as the worst theocratic state.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Secularism that is rational and informed on the other.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I think the secularism that has come about in the last 50 70 years in
Speaker:Western Europe I think people's lives have greatly improved under that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Under then compared to any
Speaker:theocracy.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There's one of those Marxist in the chat room, Alison, she's laughing out loud
Speaker:apparently, as you would evil Marxist.
Speaker:Your idea.
Speaker:Just finishing up on this religion in Australia thing.
Speaker:By the way, Fiona Pat is up for reelection.
Speaker:I think she's she's also got cancer.
Speaker:Yeah, some kidney cancer.
Speaker:I think it was something like that.
Speaker:So best wishes to Fiona, Pat and I'm surprised.
Speaker:Thoughts and felt surprise.
Speaker:That's it.
Speaker:She's fighting for her seat.
Speaker:She only got in by the skin of her teeth last time.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And apparently she wrote an email asking for financial donations.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, I'm sure she's got a website, find her there and do that.
Speaker:But making the point that she feels they're ganging up on her in terms
Speaker:of religious groups and together with a preference whisperer.
Speaker:And that they're gonna do everything they can to keep her out, to push her down.
Speaker:I'm sure by virtue of a bunch of minor pro religious groups
Speaker:using a preference whisper.
Speaker:So, So yeah, Fiona Pattern has done a lot for secularism in Australia, so
Speaker:find her Facebook page or website and I'm sure it'd be easy way to donate.
Speaker:Still on religion kind of.
Speaker:You've heard of Canberra declaration, maybe some sort of religious group.
Speaker:Anyway, article by Kathy Club and Exorcist Joe are seeing harmful
Speaker:consequences from smoking ceremonies.
Speaker:So, although elements of paganism have been creeping into various parishes
Speaker:and diocese, For some time the blatant idolatry on display during the 2019
Speaker:Amazon Senate really opened the floodgate.
Speaker:Since that time, faithful Catholics in the West have been inundated by
Speaker:indigenous emblems, prayers and rituals.
Speaker:In what appears to be an attempt to change the Catholic is very identity.
Speaker:Yeah, me.
Speaker:I mean, you wouldn't
Speaker:want them not selling indulgences anymore, would you?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Essentially in Australia, that trend is quite evident in the focus on aboriginal
Speaker:culture, which is being promoted politically and in the corporate world
Speaker:is being mirrored by the Catholic church.
Speaker:When too much attention is given to another form of spirituality, there is
Speaker:always a risk that the preeminence of the Catholic faith will be overlooked.
Speaker:However, that is not the extent the, that is not the extent of the
Speaker:problems facing an institution.
Speaker:That's starting to view pagan ceremonies as interchangeable with its own rituals.
Speaker:So this woman's complaining.
Speaker:I like Christmas and Easter.
Speaker:Then
Speaker:as pagan ceremonies were stolen by
Speaker:the Catholics, indeed, stop ruining her lines with facts.
Speaker:Go.
Speaker:She's not happy that Catholic church is allowing so many smoking ceremonies.
Speaker:So she says many including family Life International have expressed concern
Speaker:about the spiritual consequences of participation in indigenous rituals.
Speaker:Given that a non-Christian ritual by its very nature invokes spirits
Speaker:other than that of the one true God, that is, it invokes demons, It seems
Speaker:implausible that there would be no evidence of spiritual bondage or
Speaker:oppression among its participants.
Speaker:And f i, whoever that is, Family Life International.
Speaker:Ah, thank you.
Speaker:Sought council from that group of experts who sees the devastation of
Speaker:spiritual warfare on a daily basis.
Speaker:Who would that group be?
Speaker:While none other dear listener, then church appointed exorcists.
Speaker:And what day was the movie and what they revealed?
Speaker:All that spewing up of green gunk out of her lungs.
Speaker:That's how what I was like if the first week and a half of Covid Oh, okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You'd been eating PC pad.
Speaker:I was doing a Linda player impersonation one point there.
Speaker:And having talked to the Exorcist, it's revealed their worst suspicions.
Speaker:Father John Rizo, former exorcist of the diocese of Para Vata, it's
Speaker:hard to keep a straight face on.
Speaker:Has had years of experience in delivering unfortunate souls from demonic attack.
Speaker:I bet.
Speaker:To be careful, as I wander around Parma, my Sydney trips.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, in the two weeks before he spoke to FLI father Rizzo had been contacted
Speaker:by three families who children are at two different schools.
Speaker:Each family wanted his assistance because a child was exhibiting disturbing symptoms
Speaker:that the parents believe are linked to.
Speaker:Indigenous smoking ceremonies.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Devastating symptoms like free thought and calling out bullshit
Speaker:when they see it.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:He said he'd seen some unpleasant consequences from children
Speaker:attending smoking Ceremonies hoped this is from Father Rezone.
Speaker:Children have become irritable at being involved in such situations.
Speaker:Students at some schools are forced to walk through the smoke against their.
Speaker:Well informed Catholic conscience makes them feel uncomfortable.
Speaker:They know that it's wrong.
Speaker:Well I think forcing any child to participate in a religious
Speaker:ceremony is kind of wrong.
Speaker:Yes, Yes.
Speaker:Thankfully, he has found that minor exorcisms, which can be preyed by
Speaker:any priest are proving effective in liberating the children.
Speaker:We
Speaker:know about Catholics, priests celebrating
Speaker:children.
Speaker:I particularly use the exorcism prayers from the traditional right of baptism.
Speaker:He said, I recite them in Latin first and translate them afterwards into English.
Speaker:Well, it's known that demons can only understand English,
Speaker:so there you go.
Speaker:That's a new take.
Speaker:I'll never look at a smoking ceremony the same way again, Joe.
Speaker:Well, maybe they should try smoking something.
Speaker:Ah, yeah, there we go.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:That's enough religion for the time being.
Speaker:In the chatri, Irene says, How's the no temple of Satan?
Speaker:It's in abeyance at the moment.
Speaker:Irene for those of you who remember really, judge said Roman had committed
Speaker:perjury and wanted it, refer to the dpp.
Speaker:Which presumably he did very shortly afterwards.
Speaker:But we've heard nothing from the DPP and it's been over six months now.
Speaker:So you would've thought that if there was anything to it, then they would've
Speaker:been calling for an interview and wanting to talk about stuff, but they haven't.
Speaker:So, but nevertheless, it's a very serious matter.
Speaker:So really just sitting on it for another six months or something
Speaker:just to, just to let things lie.
Speaker:And then decide what to do after that.
Speaker:So we're a bit battered and bruised from the whole experience and need a rest.
Speaker:So, so that's the story with the noose Temple of Satan at the moment.
Speaker:Battered and bruised and resting and licking our wounds.
Speaker:So not sure what will happen down the track now, Joe, I I've been
Speaker:recommending Crikey for quite a while and they're in a battle with Murdocks
Speaker:over this defamation thing and.
Speaker:And there was an interesting article from David Donovan who's from Independent
Speaker:Australia, and he was basically saying that Crikey is actually not the
Speaker:little guy that you might think, so on the 26th of August on my birthday
Speaker:cro, he launched a crowdfunding campaign to support its decision to
Speaker:defend an DEF affirmation lawsuit.
Speaker:And it's painted as a little indie website battling against the evil Murdoch machine,
Speaker:something we could all get behind.
Speaker:But David Donovan is saying that it's neither independent nor poorly fund.
Speaker:Rocky's parent company Private media has a shareholder capitalization
Speaker:figure of over 20 million.
Speaker:Some of the major shareholders include publishing Giant Allen
Speaker:and Unwin Global Investment Bank, Hssbc and Property Tycoon.
Speaker:Adam Schwab features major partners.
Speaker:Of being one of the owners.
Speaker:Our media tycoons, John b Fairfax and Cameron O'Reilly.
Speaker:John b Fairfax is a part of heard family.
Speaker:Cameron O'Reilly is the former CEO of Regional News Publisher APN and is an
Speaker:heir to an Irish Irish media dynasty.
Speaker:So there's a lot of wealthy interests who own Crikey and.
Speaker:While they've been doing good work and while their cause against
Speaker:the Murdoch Empire is a good one.
Speaker:Bear that in mind as you decide whether to contribute.
Speaker:Certainly it's even begging for money.
Speaker:What's that about?
Speaker:The begging for money?
Speaker:Oh
Speaker:the crowd funding.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So they're, they're saying, Oh, give us money to help fund our battle.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And the question is, do they really need
Speaker:money?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And maybe a lot of the people who are, No, that's Cameron
Speaker:providing that money are in worse.
Speaker:Cameron Riley, not O'Reilly.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So this is a, Cameron O'Reilly is a an aunt or an Irish media dynasty.
Speaker:Cameron Riley, the podcast most certainly isn't.
Speaker:Well, I'm sure he would like to be if he could.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker:Certainly makes me less keen to support them financially.
Speaker:And this ticklish cough feels like it's not gonna go away.
Speaker:And I don't think I really wanna go through another 20
Speaker:minutes and then edit it out.
Speaker:Most of it,
Speaker:See you're old mail canceled.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, yeah.
Speaker:I think I'm gonna have to, Okay.
Speaker:The next coughing fit.
Speaker:I'm gonna pull a pin, see how I go.
Speaker:Keep sipping water Trevor.
Speaker:Steve Price.
Speaker:You often see him on the project.
Speaker:You see him on various shows.
Speaker:He's involved a lot in the media.
Speaker:He's been canceled and he told everybody in a full page article in Harold's son.
Speaker:So, yeah I'm old male and canceled was the heading the full
Speaker:page article, The Harold Son.
Speaker:Joe Hurricanes and cyclones saw this article that's from The Guardian.
Speaker:We've got cyclone season coming up.
Speaker:We do it.
Speaker:It suggests that cyclones could be named after fossil fuel corporations.
Speaker:I kinda like the idea.
Speaker:It's
Speaker:tempting thought.
Speaker:How many fossil fuel corporations are there?
Speaker:Well, let's just run through until we run.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You know?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I think you know, cyclone, chevron, devastated cans or whatever.
Speaker:I mean, there's something to that.
Speaker:I think we need to talk about the uk Have you been following the new
Speaker:Prime Minister and her finance man?
Speaker:I think there's called the, not called the um, treasure.
Speaker:It's like the X Checker, a Chancellor of the X Checker.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Quasi quang.
Speaker:Oh no, I didn.
Speaker:They're they've basically passed laws cutting tax for billionaires.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And allowing bankers to keep even more bonuses at a time of real problems for
Speaker:cost of living and whole heap of bail
Speaker:out the the, the struggling fuel company.
Speaker:Maybe I should learn my mute button here.
Speaker:Let me just, Do I need to, How can I, how can I easily moot Joe, if I'm gonna cough?
Speaker:Oh, I'll just click on that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Oh, press m.
Speaker:Oh, press m.
Speaker:Hang on.
Speaker:Lemme try that.
Speaker:Perfect.
Speaker:Okay, Let me see how I go now.
Speaker:If I can moot.
Speaker:I'm gonna cough.
Speaker:So, tax cuts for billionaires, increased borrowing.
Speaker:The pound has dived.
Speaker:It's nearly on parody with the US dollar.
Speaker:I saw in today's papers, or not in today's papers in the media, that the
Speaker:Nord Stream pipelines, Joe, mm-hmm.
Speaker:are failing.
Speaker:Like there's some massive problems with both of them
Speaker:where the pressure has dropped.
Speaker:So there's talk of some sabotage or other funny things going on.
Speaker:So, Okay.
Speaker:Delivery of gas via nor extreme pipeline is now really in trouble,
Speaker:but you can charge more money for the gas that is.
Speaker:Indeed.
Speaker:And if you're a company that does that, then you are doing fine.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:So basically her whole spiel in getting elected is she's
Speaker:into trickle down economics.
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:She, she still believes that all electrical Dan actually works.
Speaker:So, saw this tweet from this guy James Cook, which.
Speaker:I saw a homeless guy and I felt bad for him.
Speaker:So I did what I think any of us would do.
Speaker:Drove to a nearby affluent area, found the biggest, nicest house, and put
Speaker:a antenna through their letter box.
Speaker:You mark my words before long, that money will trickle down to the homeless guy.
Speaker:Works every time.
Speaker:Yeah, and this one from Lindsay James was at the moment, the UK feels like
Speaker:when Scar and his mates took over, the pride lands in the Lion King.
Speaker:I
Speaker:like count bin.
Speaker:Count bin face
Speaker:actually is quite good.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Puts the n, the conservative party putting the N into cuts since 1834.
Speaker:Yeah, so I think the UK Joe, it's looking pretty sad.
Speaker:Sorry for them.
Speaker:Listening.
Speaker:You didn't hear any of that cough, did you?
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Just locally, Joe Federal IAC.
Speaker:Looks good.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:They're saying that there will no historical limits as to how
Speaker:far back they can investigate.
Speaker:Um, That they will, they'll basically be given a limited budget, and it's
Speaker:up to them how to, how they spend.
Speaker:As long as it's a large corruption.
Speaker:So they're not gonna investigate minor things.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But anything that seems to be large enough, they'll have free
Speaker:reign to investigate as long as it affects federal politics.
Speaker:It's open,
Speaker:open season for them.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:So something like a bottle of grge that you'd forgot to declare
Speaker:would not be substantial enough.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, it has to be sort of systemic or substantial enough to justify it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So that looks good.
Speaker:Although the opposition is not happy, Jane Hum.
Speaker:Said if you get the IAC wrong, you'll deter good people
Speaker:from entering public office.
Speaker:You go?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And um, I, I, Yeah, you'll regain trust in politics.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Saying it's not gonna be open inquiries.
Speaker:Cuz there's a big complaint about the GLADiS Baran was that a lot of
Speaker:personal stuff they were complaining, had been exposed and they're
Speaker:saying, No, this won't be open door.
Speaker:Which is a bit, I don't know, I, I.
Speaker:For justice to be done.
Speaker:It needs to be seen to be done.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Anyway, it seems like with the cross benches and everybody, it's we're
Speaker:gonna get something that's gonna be quite meaningful at the end of the day.
Speaker:So, positive things there from the Labor Party.
Speaker:On the negative side, they're still obsessed with Orca,
Speaker:which was an invention of.
Speaker:Scott Morrison, Boris Johnson, largely, and the US tagged along
Speaker:and these guys are out of it.
Speaker:Why?
Speaker:Why's the fact, Why can't we simply say Morrison was a fool and, and evil
Speaker:in many respects and incompetent, and anything with his hands, with his
Speaker:fingerprints on it is, is likely just to be a complete Shale shale and they should
Speaker:really just rethink something like orca.
Speaker:The same with the submarines.
Speaker:They're committed to nuclear submarines.
Speaker:When small diesel powered, it's the way to go.
Speaker:But so I don't, that's one thing that's disappointing me about the labor party.
Speaker:I don't wanna be seen as soft on foreign affairs.
Speaker:I think.
Speaker:Because they know that the conservatives are gonna rail
Speaker:' em
Speaker:on that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:At some point they've just gotta be stopped being scared.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:by this and start making decisions that are important for us.
Speaker:I mean, continuing this fight with the Chinese unnecessarily is in the
Speaker:long term, really dangerous for us.
Speaker:So fight the bullet and deal with the issue and reeducate the public
Speaker:and, and call the conservatives out as the
Speaker:idiots they.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, Jason Claire popped up during the election campaign
Speaker:and saw this interview with him.
Speaker:I'll play a bit of this one for you.
Speaker:I'm in Lismore.
Speaker:I'm talking to real people.
Speaker:No, you in Sydney.
Speaker:You're in Sydney.
Speaker:That's Sydney CBD Behind you more yesterday.
Speaker:I like that.
Speaker:I'm in Liz.
Speaker:Well, you're not, you're in Sydney.
Speaker:I could see behind you Susan Lay.
Speaker:She's a shocker.
Speaker:Isn't she just, just terrible?
Speaker:Surely you're sussing.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:With the extra s Well, indeed, I,
Speaker:I think if you are nearish enough to stick an extra s in because your new
Speaker:neurologist tells you to, you deserve all
Speaker:the stick you.
Speaker:It's a caliber of the people that they've got going in the liberal party.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:. Yeah.
Speaker:Men's sheds, Joe, I was previously well disposed to men's sheds, saw an interview
Speaker:with a men's shed and Mad Canavan and they wanting to make flag poles and
Speaker:wanting money from the government.
Speaker:Governments they can make flag poles so everyone can put an Australian
Speaker:flag in their front garden.
Speaker:Ah, yeah.
Speaker:I looked at men's sheds a while back.
Speaker:And the problem was they're all open in the middle of the day.
Speaker:It's great if you're retired or you are unable to work, but
Speaker:if you actually work, there's
Speaker:nothing out there.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:It should really be called retired men's shed.
Speaker:Possibly.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:This was a good one.
Speaker:So United Australia Party, Clive Armor, that was a, He decided
Speaker:to deregister a party and his senator didn't even know about it.
Speaker:So when the media are talking to him, says, Oh, by the way, what's the story
Speaker:with your party being deregistered?
Speaker:He's like, Where are you seeing that?
Speaker:And no idea that his party was being deregistered.
Speaker:That's the communication level between Clive Palmer and his sole senator.
Speaker:Maybe he hadn't read his emails.
Speaker:We normally have, we often have Mel in the chat room on her Facebook page.
Speaker:She had a comment to that story saying, I just sprained my Chardon
Speaker:Freud organ, which was a good one.
Speaker:I like that one, Mel.
Speaker:Ah, just quickly before I just guess away into oblivion here
Speaker:do I wanna get into finance?
Speaker:No, leave that one.
Speaker:Sports Joe Sha who came out to help promote the voice.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:The envision, the sense only he had no connection to it.
Speaker:And Yeah.
Speaker:Not only as opposed the TV show.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Not only is he a flat er, but he was, he's a gambling promoter.
Speaker:So, Senator Thorpe blasted O'Neil's.
Speaker:Sort of involvement in this voice promotion given his foreign, and
Speaker:he's tied to the gambling industry, which badly affects aboriginal
Speaker:communities in particular.
Speaker:So just the last person that should have been involved in that, and I didn't
Speaker:see it, but in the AFL to have a brown eye metal count for the best player.
Speaker:And apparently it was more like, A betting shop with an occasional break
Speaker:to show the brown low metal count because such was the heavy load of
Speaker:gambling and odds and all the rest of it during the brown low ceremony.
Speaker:That's how it felt.
Speaker:So, that's not good and should not be able out when kiddies or others
Speaker:might potentially be watching it.
Speaker:I mean, it's not to look for the a.
Speaker:An interesting thing about I was watching the latest news about
Speaker:Twitch, the live streaming platform.
Speaker:And a lot of the gamers who have Twitch channels have been basically
Speaker:given huge amounts of money to gamble, live online instead playing games.
Speaker:They're gambling on these websites and they're given, they're
Speaker:given free money to gamble with.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And they're given huge amounts of money to play these games
Speaker:by the gambling companies.
Speaker:And Twitch is banning that.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Good
Speaker:on them.
Speaker:And, and there's been some uproar from the, the gamers saying, Well, hang on.
Speaker:You're taking him a, they're saying, No, this is, this is not a good thing.
Speaker:We don't want you promoting that.
Speaker:So yeah, Twitch also banned a guy who was live streaming his gas cooker in
Speaker:Russia, . He had his gas cooker turned on, awful bonus, turned on as a live stream,
Speaker:basically gloating about how much gas they had in Russia that he could do, right?
Speaker:So Twitch also turned that one off.
Speaker:So I've got some standards in the chat room.
Speaker:Tanya says I have a flag pole.
Speaker:It has a jolly Roger on it.
Speaker:I need Tanya.
Speaker:Also does Captain Tanya?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Irene says Clive and Donald are cut from the same cloth.
Speaker:That would be true in terms of the communication with their other people.
Speaker:And also they were businessmen.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:They decided to
Speaker:get into politics.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Don says uh, remember gamble responsibly as we are told by the gambling mobs
Speaker:in almost imperceptible writing.
Speaker:Indeed.
Speaker:John says, Did you hear the opposition finance spokesman on
Speaker:insiders say the lips have no policies as they are the opposition?
Speaker:Yes, I did see that.
Speaker:I think that was Jane Hume, someone like that.
Speaker:I was Tony
Speaker:Abbott's great ability, wasn't it?
Speaker:He didn't stand for, I think he just stood against anything that
Speaker:Kevin was or Julia were proposing.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So she spoke and said, blatantly said, We don't have any policies where
Speaker:the opposition, we don't have to.
Speaker:Let's see, Irene's looking forward to the Robo Debt Royal Commission
Speaker:and yeah, I'm guessing John Simmons regret getting pink bats now.
Speaker:Mm, yes.
Speaker:And John says I should get a puffer.
Speaker:All right, I think that's all in the chat room for recently.
Speaker:What else have I got here?
Speaker:My cough is going away.
Speaker:I'll keep, I'll keep going for just a little bit and this one will do.
Speaker:Lemme just get the right chart up.
Speaker:So profits and wages talked about previously, and there's
Speaker:a chart on the screen.
Speaker:Guess what profits and wages used to track alongside each other.
Speaker:And from about 2016 massive divergence where there's been a huge increase
Speaker:in income in Australia, but it's all gone to profits and not to wages.
Speaker:So, this whole talk of higher, you know, calling for wage restraint,
Speaker:but not calling for profit restraint, people should be up at arms about,
Speaker:I did Robert Reich has been talking.
Speaker:Saying back in the, I think sixties, the CEO to worker pay was around 23
Speaker:times and it's now 320 something times.
Speaker:So the average CEO is getting 10 times while they were getting, Yep.
Speaker:We've really just gotta have some genuine conversations about
Speaker:this and get up in arms about it.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:Ross Gittens wrote an article basically saying The Reserve Bank is crazy because
Speaker:they're just increasing interest rates
Speaker:it's such a blunt instrument, and really the problem is those profits
Speaker:by corporations rather than wages and forcing people to reduce their spending
Speaker:through higher interest rates is just a crazy way of regulating an economy.
Speaker:. So what do you do?
Speaker:Do
Speaker:you tax profits?
Speaker:Well, you don't rely on the reserve bank to do it.
Speaker:A Yeah.
Speaker:So you win full tax?
Speaker:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker:Things like that.
Speaker:Yeah, that's the sort of thing.
Speaker:Alan Austin had another chart, which is kind of similar, showing
Speaker:the share of national income going to workers and corporations.
Speaker:It's basically a chart that looks pretty ugly from the worker's point of.
Speaker:That's about it cuz my voice is going and the stickless cough is killing me.
Speaker:So next week I think we might talk about, about Japan and
Speaker:Plaza record and postmodern.
Speaker:Wrap it up in a bundle, little bit less of everyday politics and news
Speaker:and try and do a little examination of a deeper dive into another topic.
Speaker:So if you are up for that, that's what I'll try and work on next week.
Speaker:So it's a short one again, but I've got a good excuse, I think.
Speaker:Anyway um, talk to you guys next week by for now, and it's a
