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Episode 355 - QEII Funeral- Souvenir Edition
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Speaker:Dear listener, episode 355.
Speaker:I'm Trevor, the Iron Fist with me, Joe, the tech guy.
Speaker:How are you Joe evening?
Speaker:All.
Speaker:Mm, well, dear listener queen Elizabeth second is dead.
Speaker:I'm not, but it feels sometimes like I'm close to it.
Speaker:Cause I got COVID when I was in Sydney.
Speaker:And I've been sick for nine days, 10 days, like really bad, bad,
Speaker:clogged up head, even my nose.
Speaker:Now you can probably hear my voice is not normal.
Speaker:And, I've just been spending the last 10 days sitting around, lying in bed and
Speaker:doing nothing, cuz I can't do anything.
Speaker:I literally, cannot do anything.
Speaker:So yeah, it's pretty rough.
Speaker:And it's just a cold Trevor, just man up and get over it.
Speaker:No, I have to say that, you know, they say that the vaccine really, has helped
Speaker:in terms of the symptoms that you feel.
Speaker:And I've had four shots.
Speaker:I tell you what I felt pretty darn crook and I'm a reasonably
Speaker:healthy guy for a 58 year old.
Speaker:So I mean everybody's experience is different, but I really
Speaker:would not have liked to have.
Speaker:had that dose of COVID without having had four shots, if everything they say
Speaker:about the shots alleviating the symptoms is true, cuz I would've been in hospital.
Speaker:So, as it was I, well, you know, I didn't have to go to hospital.
Speaker:Well, didn't really think about it, but still very unpleasant.
Speaker:So my advice to your listener is if you can avoid a dose of COVID then
Speaker:avoided you haven't had it yet.
Speaker:Joan, have you?
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:So my daughter and her boyfriend were staying here, and they
Speaker:both tested positive for COVID.
Speaker:I was in the same house cooking with them.
Speaker:the child at one stage was snuggled up on my bed, watching a movie.
Speaker:So it wasn't like there was any distance between us and I had some mild
Speaker:symptoms, but never tested positive.
Speaker:So possibly I'm on immunosuppressive drugs.
Speaker:So I would've thought I was at high risk of yeah.
Speaker:Have you got the antivirals, if you were to get COVID, would you get the special
Speaker:antiviral treatment that's around?
Speaker:Possibly.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Cause I was talking to Robin Bristo, AKA brother Samma demo go.
Speaker:And because he's got issues.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:He had lined up with his GP in advance to say, if I get COVID you've
Speaker:gotta be ready to get these for me.
Speaker:And he got them very, very quickly once he got COVID.
Speaker:So yeah.
Speaker:Anyway, I'm still a few days off.
Speaker:Remember as a 20 year old getting flu and it put me in bed for three weeks.
Speaker:Yeah, go.
Speaker:So yeah, we, we laugh about man flu, but he's a serious disease and my daughter's
Speaker:teenage friend who had COVID I think six months on is still getting breathless
Speaker:if she does any form of exercise.
Speaker:Yes it's.
Speaker:Yeah, it does.
Speaker:And I think there's, there's.
Speaker:Evidence there's more and more evidence of long-term damage.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:So this was,, 10 days ago.
Speaker:I was coming back from Sydney and I think there was maybe three or four
Speaker:people on the plane with a mask on and I was one of them, but, and in the
Speaker:airport, virtually one out of a hundred was wearing a mask, at that point.
Speaker:So I, on the way down to Sydney, it was mandatory to have the
Speaker:mask on the plane, but by mm-hmm, , I'd spend a week in Sydney.
Speaker:By the time I came back, it was no longer mandatory.
Speaker:And, and yeah, literally just a handful on the plane and maybe one or two in
Speaker:every a hundred people in the airport, the masks on saying, there we go.
Speaker:Anyway, in my trip, we were mandatory.
Speaker:So nobody wore them at the airport, but when we got on the plane,
Speaker:they told us it was mandatory.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And then admittedly, the plane was packed.
Speaker:And on the way back, the plane was sparsely populated and the,
Speaker:the mask laws had been changed.
Speaker:So we had to wear it in the airport, but not on the plane.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:What, what, yeah.
Speaker:At the airport, they insisted that we wear the masks and then we got
Speaker:on the plane and they said, oh, you don't have to wear your masks anymore.
Speaker:okay.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:. Thank you for the messages in the chat room, by the way, Julia and John Watley,
Speaker:jungle juice, jungle juice says I've had two shots and still haven't had it.
Speaker:So there we go.
Speaker:well we've got talk about, well, Elizabeth II, the funeral, the whole shebang.
Speaker:And what does it say about our society?
Speaker:Well, as somebody said, you know, out with one li with another Liz Trump in with an.
Speaker:Liz.
Speaker:Yes, that's right.
Speaker:For those of us who recognize her saying yes, cause she appeared and the poor
Speaker:old channel nine commentators from Australia were like, who's that lady
Speaker:don't know, just least a minor Royal.
Speaker:My understanding was it was from a distance.
Speaker:They couldn't actually see her face.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Well, the point was they were commenting on it from a position
Speaker:where they probably had a worse view than what we had on the BBC feed.
Speaker:This was the crazy part about some of the decision making around all this.
Speaker:Like I think the ABC sent 23 people across there to cover this, , funeral.
Speaker:And what do we end up getting at the BBC feed, which is of course exactly
Speaker:what we would've wanted to get.
Speaker:Anyway, mm-hmm, a complete waste of money.
Speaker:Like I've just, I'm really losing sympathy with the ABC on a number of issues.
Speaker:And when they cry poor about.
Speaker:not having enough money and their budget being slashed.
Speaker:I really am gonna look at this 23 people sent to the UK and go,
Speaker:well, what was that all about?
Speaker:Seriously?
Speaker:You couldn't have done that.
Speaker:Just relying on the BBC feed and having people in Australia comment
Speaker:over the top of it, occasionally for an Australian perspective on some issue.
Speaker:But I think for goodness sake, it was just, I wonder how many of those were
Speaker:senior people and it was a junk it, yeah, just a junk it, no respect for
Speaker:other people's money, anyway, you didn't watch it, Joe, I don't think.
Speaker:Yeah, but, I've done my best to avoid it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Lots of speculation about Megan Markle and what faux PAs she committed and
Speaker:yeah, I, I see the headlines again.
Speaker:Can't be bothered.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, I mean, we'll try and talk about these issues and find the
Speaker:broader context where we can.
Speaker:Here's my hot take from the whole thing is that basically , our hard
Speaker:wide pro-social emotions overrule cold, hard, rational thinking.
Speaker:I think people really enjoyed, you know, let's face it.
Speaker:A majority of people enjoyed the whole show and were probably in favor of
Speaker:everything that happened, the lead up, and a lot of people, very emotional
Speaker:with very positive views towards queen Elizabeth II and, and felt
Speaker:everything was all very appropriate.
Speaker:So there's a little, you know, a lot of what was done was definitely
Speaker:in favor by the majority of people.
Speaker:And you know, on the one hand you can say, this is an unelected ancestral, right?
Speaker:Basically because her ancestors out fought and outlasted some other group
Speaker:in some battle and going descendancy and you know, in a modern context,
Speaker:the whole thing makes no sense at all.
Speaker:But on the other hand you go, well, I think people look at the cooperation
Speaker:and they're coming together.
Speaker:And the prosocial aspect of that gives such good vibes to people
Speaker:that that's what they like.
Speaker:And they are enjoying that coming together as a community over something.
Speaker:It doesn't really matter what it is.
Speaker:So it's like, you know, football is a pretty silly thing.
Speaker:When you think about it at the end of the day, kicking a piece of leather
Speaker:around, but it's more the people coming together over things that is
Speaker:a thing that really gets people in.
Speaker:So, you know, if you want to affect change in this world, you have
Speaker:to take into account emotion and.
Speaker:and, and that's been one of the biggest things.
Speaker:I mean, that was the reason for, whatever it was, atheist church.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Sunday assembly or whatever it was called.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Camera islands.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Was, was people, people missing the cohesiveness of a religious group?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And even if they didn't believe they still wanted to belong to a tribe?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:For some reason it didn't work for Cam's Sunday assembly, although
Speaker:it does work in some places.
Speaker:So, it tends to work in the us where they're a lot more cohesive and there's a
Speaker:lot more, social built around your church.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And, and I think we've managed to replace it enough over here.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And maybe people who had grown up with that who had left the church who were
Speaker:looking to replace it with something.
Speaker:whereas there were a lot of people here who.
Speaker:Aren't looking to replace it cuz they never had it.
Speaker:So yeah.
Speaker:So I think that's my hot take is just, it impresses on me the value of people's
Speaker:prosocial emotions, wanting to feel like they belong to something, the bringing
Speaker:together of people, it's a hardwired prosocial feature of human beings and it
Speaker:was on full display there and it accounts for a lot of what happened essentially.
Speaker:so yeah, that's the hot take?
Speaker:let's talk about other different things.
Speaker:ah, bagpipes, Joe, I've got this standard joke about bagpipes.
Speaker:I heard years ago, which was what's the difference between
Speaker:bagpipes and a bag of onions.
Speaker:And the answer is people cry when you cut up a bag of onions mm-hmm . But I have
Speaker:to say the bagpipes were very, very good.
Speaker:Like as they got ready to March off with her and all the rest of it and
Speaker:the bag pipes came down at different times, is it I've learned from this
Speaker:whole, if I've learned one thing from this joke is there is a time
Speaker:and a place for bagpipes in oh yeah.
Speaker:The Royal funeral.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Having been to the Edinborough, military tattoo, the lone
Speaker:Piper up on the Ram parts.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Is, is certainly, but you know, these people practice for hours
Speaker:and hours, whereas your next door neighbor, who's just learning to play.
Speaker:I, I can very much understand.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Roman says, Hey, don't criticize the musical traditions of my ancestors.
Speaker:Oh, I'm well, , I'm being a little bit positive if I can about the bagpipes.
Speaker:So that was one thing to come out of it.
Speaker:It's interesting.
Speaker:Bagpipes.
Speaker:Aren't just Scottish.
Speaker:Briney and France has a big, historical, linking to bagpipes.
Speaker:I, I assume it was the Celtic thing.
Speaker:Right because Scott's the Welsh, and the bras are all kelps and the Irish.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:There go.
Speaker:oh look, I've got such a mismatch of things here and dear, isn't it, I'm
Speaker:not operating at a hundred percent.
Speaker:So we might be all over the shop in how we deal with this.
Speaker:the whole media reaction to this.
Speaker:I mean, it's been relentless and crazy , the sort of 24 hour continuous
Speaker:rolling coverage of this event in the lead up that I would've thought
Speaker:has been over the top, but today saw a poll come out from essential.
Speaker:And the question was, which of the following best described how you
Speaker:feel about the media coverage of the death of queen Elizabeth II
Speaker:and the Ascension of king Charles.
Speaker:The media coverage has given me more information than I need about
Speaker:the right amount of information or less information than I need.
Speaker:And the more information that I need was only 48%.
Speaker:The about right.
Speaker:Was 42.
Speaker:And people who wanted more information was 10% based on that poll Joe.
Speaker:Well, the majority wanted the same or more information than what they got.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But just, yeah, there's been multiple coverage, but how much
Speaker:information has been in that coverage?
Speaker:So you might have wanted more information and less coverage, less speculation
Speaker:about who walked in front of who and broke protocol because of that.
Speaker:And possibly a little more information about yeah.
Speaker:Important stuff.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Could have been a different question.
Speaker:Have they gone overboard with coverage is a different yeah, exactly.
Speaker:They true.
Speaker:What have I got here?
Speaker:Has this campaign, this, this media campaign, this relentless
Speaker:coverage, has it reflected the majority view or is it out of step?
Speaker:and which would be scarier?
Speaker:So if it is outta step with the majority view, if we've got too
Speaker:much coverage than what we wanted, then we are seeing an overt
Speaker:demonstration of culture being imposed.
Speaker:If it reflects the majority view, then we are seeing a demonstration of irrational
Speaker:culture that has against all odds successfully been imposed or maintained.
Speaker:It's probably it's one or the other, and I'm not sure which one is, is, is scarier.
Speaker:you know, if you are wanting the existing power structures to be
Speaker:maintained, then you would be encouraging the maintenance of the monarchy
Speaker:and you would be encouraging this conservative coverage of everything.
Speaker:I mean, there was barely, well, I, I have to admit, I didn't watch much
Speaker:mainstream media in the lead up.
Speaker:I watched the actual funeral service, but I didn't watch any of the lead
Speaker:up, but my feeling is that there was no discussion at any point on the
Speaker:ABC about the role of the monarchy.
Speaker:And there was no criticism or critique of queen Elizabeth II
Speaker:and what she's done other than.
Speaker:very, very, very positive reflection of what she'd done.
Speaker:There was nothing negative.
Speaker:There was no even handed coverage of this.
Speaker:It was just a very pro Elizabeth II coverage.
Speaker:And what are you there for ABC?
Speaker:If, if not, to give us, is this the time to be doing that?
Speaker:I think of all of the people there have, you know, there there's been
Speaker:very little to reflect badly upon her.
Speaker:I think, she has been incredibly, positive in terms of what she has
Speaker:done and what she's been unlike other members of the Royal family.
Speaker:. Hmm.
Speaker:and.
Speaker:When Steve Irwin died, were, were there comments in the press
Speaker:about whether he was really the bloke that he was held up to be?
Speaker:And I, I think when people have died and, and it's a funeral
Speaker:time, we tend to sanctify people.
Speaker:Don't we?
Speaker:Yeah, I guess it was just seven days of it or however long it was.
Speaker:I guess in all that time that you've got to fill, at least you could put it
Speaker:on and people don't have to watch it.
Speaker:You know what I mean?
Speaker:Like they could choose to watch something else at that point, there might be
Speaker:other people who want to watch it.
Speaker:So, you know, I agree there is a time and a place, but, the relentlessly positive.
Speaker:Propaganda really graded with me, I guess I'd say.
Speaker:So I felt it needed a balance of some sort, which you could only find on Twitter
Speaker:or in the, I don't know the far outskirts of, of the web in obscure areas that
Speaker:you really had to go hard looking for.
Speaker:So, or, or getting arrested.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Well, let's talk about that.
Speaker:There was one young fellow, just in a crowd and he just started yelling out
Speaker:something, the one lone voice, and he just got dragged out by police and.
Speaker:Handcuffed and led away.
Speaker:And there was another protestor who was silently holding up a sign
Speaker:saying not my king mm-hmm and, also got led away by police.
Speaker:And, so I'm kind of okay with that in terms of particularly people who
Speaker:are yelling out, doesn't have to be abusive, but just yelling out,
Speaker:not my king or something like that.
Speaker:I'm kind.
Speaker:How do you feel about that one, Joe?
Speaker:I, so they were arrested for acting in a manner likely to
Speaker:cause a breach of the peaks.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:A and that is true enough.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I, I think there was a real risk that they would've been lynched.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:so I, I, I don't object to their voice.
Speaker:I just think that there are possibly different places
Speaker:rather than picketing a funeral.
Speaker:Or outside Buckhouse that this should be speakers corner, for instance, which
Speaker:is, you know, historically where you entered and spoke out politically.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:one of these guys was shouting at prince Andrew, I think making comments about him
Speaker:being a pedophile or something like that, was sort of comment that he was making.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I, I don't know again, had that been an average day.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:but when it's a, when somebody's loved one has just passed, I don't know
Speaker:that that's necessarily appropriate.
Speaker:It's like picketing at funerals.
Speaker:Mm, yep.
Speaker:I, I, I think it it's, you have a right to a voice, but there's a time and a place.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, if it happens in here in Queensland, Joe, we've got a summary of fences
Speaker:act, section six, subsection two.
Speaker:you commit a public nuisance offense.
Speaker:If you behave in a disorderly way or an offensive way, and your behavior
Speaker:interferes, or is likely to interfere with the peaceful passage through or enjoyment
Speaker:of a public place by member of the public.
Speaker:So, a disorderly way or an offensive way for conduct to be
Speaker:disorderly, it must be sufficiently ill mattered, or in bad taste.
Speaker:It does not only have to meet with the disapproval of well conducted and
Speaker:reasonable men and women, but also tend to annoy or insult such person
Speaker:sufficiently deeply or seriously to warrant the interference, of the police.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:Ill mattered, bad taste, meet with the disapproval of well conducted
Speaker:and reasonable men and women do that.
Speaker:And you're on your way to a disorderly, well, public nuisance based on disorderly.
Speaker:and how old was that law?
Speaker:Oh, it's current.
Speaker:Isn't it?
Speaker:Queensland.
Speaker:So I just wondered if it was a, yeah.
Speaker:It's commonly used law, I believe.
Speaker:Oh, it's not obscure.
Speaker:Yeah, that was, that was the Canadian.
Speaker:That was a female blonde Canadian who was very right wing.
Speaker:Who was walking through some very Muslim area of Sydney.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Who got moved on by the police and told that she'd be arrested for
Speaker:disorderly conduct or something?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:ill mattered, bad taste meet with the disapproval of well conducted
Speaker:and reasonable men and women.
Speaker:and it's all done in the circumstances.
Speaker:So I think with that guy yelling out at prince Andrew, that he's a
Speaker:pedophile, you know, amongst a crowd of people who were there just to enjoy
Speaker:the procession and the higher risk that the crowd would turn on him.
Speaker:Mm-hmm and that the high risk that, that would lead to some sort
Speaker:of minor,, fight, breaking out.
Speaker:Good idea by the police.
Speaker:I think, and those who are sort of in favor of freedom
Speaker:of speech is so important.
Speaker:It it's cannot be,, restricted in any way.
Speaker:It's, it's the ultimate thing that we must keep free at all times.
Speaker:Well, you know, we'd restrict speech for different things.
Speaker:I mean, just for foul language, if the guy was there.
Speaker:just saying horrible, terrible foul language and all the rest of it.
Speaker:We could, it could be carted away because of just a breach of,
Speaker:of a public norm, essentially.
Speaker:So back to how we value it, value public norms, probably
Speaker:slanderous statements as well.
Speaker:accusing him of being a pedophile.
Speaker:The allegations were that he had sex with a woman who was over the age of consent.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Maybe he was consensual or not.
Speaker:That's different, but, technically to call him a pedophile, I think
Speaker:he's is definitely slanderous.
Speaker:I think he was shouting at prince about his recent troubles.
Speaker:I dunno, the word Peter fol was used, but right.
Speaker:I think it was just, it has been, it has been liberally used about him.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I think you need to be very careful.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Because I think those charges wouldn't stick.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:I mean, certainly it's morally reprehensible and there are possibly
Speaker:other criminal charges, but I don't think that particular one is, is relevant.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:So the free speech advocates out there, I think I'd say, you know what,
Speaker:that guy could go back there the next day and shout amongst to anybody,
Speaker:whatever he wants to, sometimes there are just occasions because of what
Speaker:the rest of the community is doing.
Speaker:That maybe you don't get to have your free speech.
Speaker:And if that was happening every day where you were restricted.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:But, well I think it's, the protests are about abortion places.
Speaker:Abortion clinics.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Plenty of opportunity to protest wherever you like, just
Speaker:not right there at that time.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:So yeah, that's all part of that.
Speaker:I, Yeah.
Speaker:Broman said initially, personally, I'm concerned about attempts to
Speaker:silence, voices with a different view about the monarchy.
Speaker:It's like reasonable free speech had to be suspended, but then goes on to
Speaker:say, take your point, Joe and others after all, I'm sure no one here liked
Speaker:that awful church used to pick at the funerals and gay service people in the us.
Speaker:So there we go.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So you do have to sort of take him to count the circumstances and, and I
Speaker:think that was a correct decision by the British police on that occasion.
Speaker:mind you other forms of protest Joe and there were some good ones in,
Speaker:now this I will find, let me just, find this particular video, which
Speaker:was, I was a bit concerned by a lot of us Twitter commenters, right?
Speaker:They were blaming her for colonialism.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:and a she's the Monarch and doesn't have any power, but also B the
Speaker:empire dissolved under Elizabeth, almost all of the colonies got
Speaker:their freedom under Elizabeth.
Speaker:So of all the people you could blame, I would say that
Speaker:she's the least responsible.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Is.
Speaker:I mean, if you're gonna have a Monarch, she was one of the better typed to
Speaker:have in that she wasn't the, she kind of looking at Australia and going,
Speaker:why the hell haven't you guys left?
Speaker:You know, that was the sort of view she had.
Speaker:It seemed so she wasn't, power grabbing in that sense, wanting
Speaker:to accumulate more colonies.
Speaker:not that she would have any say in it.
Speaker:You're right.
Speaker:So I think she did look at it and think, well, that makes sense
Speaker:if that's what you wanna do.
Speaker:So give her credit for that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Mm-hmm yeah.
Speaker:Some of the, so Joe, apparently at football games, , they will sometimes
Speaker:have a minute silence, but the alternative is that will have a minute of clapping.
Speaker:Have you heard of this before?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, and sometimes I would've a minute silence followed by minutes clapping.
Speaker:So at some football stadium, I think it was in Scotland or
Speaker:it might have been Ireland.
Speaker:I'm not sure where it was, but, the crowd knew that they were about to
Speaker:have a minute of clapping for the queen and the crowd started singing.
Speaker:if you hate the Royal family, clap your hands during the one minute clapping
Speaker:session, I'll show you a bit of it here.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:I have given four marks for being clever.
Speaker:I knew that these guys were compelled to clap for a minute and then
Speaker:started a song saying if you hate the Royal family, clap your hands.
Speaker:So, full marks for that one in terms of cleverness.
Speaker:I wanna read some.
Speaker:Twitter comments.
Speaker:see if you agree with some of these, I think ABC news is misjudging the public
Speaker:with their insufferable psycho Fantic and endless rolling coverage of the queen.
Speaker:Who's going to tell them that we don't care that much about it turns out.
Speaker:Obviously it turns out people did care, watching ABC news and wondering
Speaker:if they now have deference police ensuring the Queens coverage is a
Speaker:hundred percent foreign and gro without journalists ever asking the necessary
Speaker:tough, but respectful question about the continued relevance of the monarchy
Speaker:and it's placed in our constitution.
Speaker:So Joe, you would say not the time yet for that, Marky lawyers.
Speaker:It would've been nice to see just some genuine reflection on the Queen's life
Speaker:and death, but instead our media is drowning us in performative perfunctory
Speaker:D it's embarrassing and meaningless.
Speaker:It was very syrupy, psycho over the top climb, but I was from what I saw.
Speaker:Yes, it did seem to be Vaus I think is the word.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:You could have been positive and respectful without
Speaker:being so goddamn forming.
Speaker:I think would've been possible.
Speaker:I think, look, how does the queen rate, I mean, you, as you were
Speaker:saying, she wasn't that bad.
Speaker:I wrote here, she's an unelected Relic of an unfair medieval practice and has died.
Speaker:She performed her ceremonial duties diligently her most notable achievement
Speaker:was the length of her tenure.
Speaker:I'll say it, it wouldn't be that hard to be in Monarch with no real power.
Speaker:You just put on a show and leave the real problems up to the parliament.
Speaker:So I'll excuse her from being complicit in the various atrocities of the
Speaker:British empire during her reign, not a bad old bird, really for what she
Speaker:had to do minded her own business, largely as far as a queen does, I
Speaker:think she worked bloody hard actually.
Speaker:Mm-hmm I mean, she, yeah, she lived her, her life for luxury mm-hmm , but
Speaker:I don't think it was an easy life.
Speaker:Mm-hmm I think there was a lot of expectation on her to always be smiling
Speaker:and cheerful and, you know, opening public things or visiting sick people
Speaker:in hospital and doing all those.
Speaker:It's little but little things, you know, but she wasn't flipping hamburgers
Speaker:at McDonald's no eight hours a day.
Speaker:Like there's a lot of jobs, a lot harder than being queen.
Speaker:There would've been tedious moments, but what job?
Speaker:Doesn't no, but you know, it's not like she retired at 65 and had a pension.
Speaker:Yes, that's true.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:so I don't, I think it's a very different life.
Speaker:I don't think any of us can really understand.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:what it's like, I mean, you, you talk to the stars and they are very
Speaker:well compensated, but you can't understand being chased everywhere
Speaker:by the media who wants to take a photo of you in a compromising
Speaker:position so they can splash it across the, the front page the next day.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:There's, there's a whole load of things that you just, until you've
Speaker:lived it, you can't understand.
Speaker:Mm, very different life.
Speaker:I agree.
Speaker:But, you know, I could think of a lot of, lifestyles that
Speaker:would be a hell of a lot worse.
Speaker:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker:And, you know, growing up poor in some housing commission blocking in, in
Speaker:somewhere in the UK or being the queen and you go, gee, you know what, there's
Speaker:gonna be some tough moments being queen.
Speaker:I think I'll take it.
Speaker:I I'll run the risk.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, ah, okay.
Speaker:I mean, that's, that's the arguments I get into about prince Philip mm-hmm
Speaker:uh, look, the man commanded a vessel in the second world war and then was
Speaker:playing second fiddle to the queen.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And I think he was bored.
Speaker:I think he made his comments in the full knowledge.
Speaker:I think he was just being a little mischievous because that
Speaker:was the only freedom he got.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I suspect he was quite bored and And probably cocooned in a bubble.
Speaker:Like he was, maybe didn't realize exactly how some of his comments
Speaker:would quite be taken as well.
Speaker:So combination of that,
Speaker:we've been very positive about Dan Andrews over the years.
Speaker:Love Dan Andrews.
Speaker:He's doing a good job down there.
Speaker:Mostly.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So there's a hospital, Joe in Victoria, the Maronda hospital named after
Speaker:some indigenous, it's an indigenous name of some sort dunno it's named
Speaker:after actually region name or human.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I don't know, but it's an indigenous name.
Speaker:It's currently called the maroon hospital and it's gonna be upgraded.
Speaker:And when they upgrade it, they're then gonna call it the QE two.
Speaker:Why?
Speaker:Cause cruise wasn't enough.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There's, you know, there's already QE two hospitals running around.
Speaker:Honestly.
Speaker:I dunno if that decision will stick, what's wrong with, I mean, whatever
Speaker:it was named for in the first place, just leave it at that, improve it.
Speaker:We just don't need more things named after queen Elizabeth II.
Speaker:Surely all goes down to this, cultural propaganda.
Speaker:Mm-hmm , it's this, you know, just yet another public institution named
Speaker:after a Monarch, just entrenches the whole rock show even further.
Speaker:And, it, it's not meaningless.
Speaker:These things add up and count at the end of the day.
Speaker:So leave it as it is.
Speaker:that's the sort of thing I'd have expected from Scott Morrison.
Speaker:Like you would've expected him to come out and rename something after QE two, after.
Speaker:All this and we would've sat back here going you typical bloody Monicas bastard.
Speaker:Dan would never do that.
Speaker:And then look at that.
Speaker:He's kind of done it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Braw reckons.
Speaker:It's just a, Gazo the, the liberals.
Speaker:Oh, okay.
Speaker:He doesn't have to before they could.
Speaker:No, he doesn't.
Speaker:He doesn't have to.
Speaker:They're already in strife.
Speaker:So, because they've got an opposition leader, right?
Speaker:Run stacking.
Speaker:No, they've got an opposition leader.
Speaker:He thinks king Arthur is a real thing.
Speaker:Joe.
Speaker:Hear about this one.
Speaker:I'll play this clip.
Speaker:Hang on.
Speaker:It was time to remember the queen alongside myths and legends in all those
Speaker:times in all those monarchs from figures.
Speaker:Well known king Arthur, Henry the eighth.
Speaker:And so on the longest reigning of them all was queen Elizabeth.
Speaker:The second God save the king.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:King Arthur.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Interestingly, the French claim king author is theirs.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Really?
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I mean, that's what Dan's up against.
Speaker:He didn't have to rename hospital QE two to get him over the line when you're up
Speaker:against umbling Phils, like they've got the Victorian opposition, ah, just the
Speaker:prince Charles hospital in Queensland.
Speaker:Get an upgrade to the king Charles hospital.
Speaker:that's what I wanna know.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Good point.
Speaker:Maybe it does.
Speaker:in the show notes for the patrons will be links to a thing about the palace letters.
Speaker:So these were letters between, the, governor general, sir, John Kerr and,
Speaker:queen Elizabeth through her private secretary at Martin charters around the
Speaker:time of the 1975 constitutional crisis.
Speaker:And.
Speaker:queen Elizabeth tried hard actually to have those kept hidden, kept
Speaker:secret saying they were private.
Speaker:And Jenny Hawking had to go to the high court to get them revealed.
Speaker:And it did show a high level of communication between, John Kerr
Speaker:and prince Charles and the queen, basically indicating that they
Speaker:knew what he was about to do and didn't do anything to stop it.
Speaker:So if you're looking for a black mark against the queen, you could
Speaker:head towards those palace letters.
Speaker:You know, I actually read the sections they were talking about in the letters,
Speaker:kind of wasn't as compelling as what the commentators were saying to some extent.
Speaker:So there's a whole book about it that I haven't read.
Speaker:but some people have said, oh, this is complete proof that, the queen knew what
Speaker:was happening and did nothing about it.
Speaker:And maybe it is, but just.
Speaker:The bits that I read, not quite as compelling at first blush, when
Speaker:you read it, maybe the book makes a better case than, than that.
Speaker:I dunno, exactly was always 2020 anyway.
Speaker:Mm-hmm and I've just been too sick to get into the weeds on that one.
Speaker:So there is the area for people who really wanna complain about maybe
Speaker:something the queen did, the palace letters, there's a bit of smoke
Speaker:there, maybe there's fire as well.
Speaker:saw this tweet, which said, please be respectful when talking about
Speaker:the queen, she was ahead of state a Monarch, a mother to multiple
Speaker:pedophiles, and most importantly, a devoted cousin to her husband.
Speaker:So the cousin to her husband vet was the vet that got me.
Speaker:so they were related.
Speaker:Were they cousins?
Speaker:Well, Prince Phillip, third cousins.
Speaker:They were third cousins.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So prince Phillip was related to queen Victoria, as a great, great
Speaker:grandson through his maternal side.
Speaker:And queen Elizabeth was related to the same queen Victoria
Speaker:through her paternal family.
Speaker:So I had the same great, great, grandmother, which
Speaker:makes them third cousins.
Speaker:And Joe, I know what everyone's thinking.
Speaker:How does that third cousin once removed type stuff, actually work,
Speaker:keep hearing it all the time.
Speaker:And are you up to, up to speed with all that?
Speaker:I, I worked, trying to figure out family links a while back with my
Speaker:second cousins and whether yes, they were multiple removed and who was what?
Speaker:I actually looked it up.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:But yeah, it's, it's not obvious.
Speaker:So do you listener first cousins share a grandparent.
Speaker:Second cousins share a great grandparent.
Speaker:Third cousins share a great, great grandparent and fourth cousins share
Speaker:a, great, great, great grandparent.
Speaker:So what you gotta do is count how many greats are in your common
Speaker:ancestor and add one to find out what number cousin your relative is.
Speaker:That's the easiest way.
Speaker:And then the other issue is what does it mean when you say once removed?
Speaker:And, the answer to that is think of it this way.
Speaker:Your parents, first, second, and third cousins are also your first, second
Speaker:and third cousins, but once removed that is because your parents and
Speaker:their generation are one above yours.
Speaker:So it basically takes into account where there's a generational difference.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:You might, share the same great, great grandparent.
Speaker:And for the other person, it is just a great grandparent.
Speaker:So your cousins, but it's a once removed situation.
Speaker:So the once removed takes into account a generational difference
Speaker:between you and the other person once removed twice removed, et cetera.
Speaker:So, so anyway, they were, the queen and prince Phillip third cousins
Speaker:and not removed at all because they were at the same generational level.
Speaker:So I guess, his parents, for example, would've been her
Speaker:third cousin once removed.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:what else have we got here?
Speaker:Funeral event itself?
Speaker:I quite enjoyed it, Joe actual funeral in the chat room to enjoy the funeral.
Speaker:I mean, PO ceremony.
Speaker:Also mentions to God.
Speaker:I'm sure.
Speaker:Well, this is, this is what I'm gonna get to, references to God in a funeral
Speaker:are so depersonalizing, like a funeral should be about, the person who's died.
Speaker:Mm-hmm stories about them and things like that for your average
Speaker:person, Joe, for your commoner.
Speaker:Like I hate going to funerals that are dominated by religion.
Speaker:Not just because I disagree with religion, but because it takes up
Speaker:time where people could have been talking about the deceased person.
Speaker:And, I think though, in the case of the queen, this might
Speaker:have been the rare occasion.
Speaker:It was okay to have some religion because we've heard enough about her life.
Speaker:I didn't really need to know any, this might have been the one
Speaker:occasion where it was okay to do it.
Speaker:because we just already, I, I was thinking Bron, she was head of the church.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:exactly.
Speaker:She was head of the church references, unavoidable and where normally
Speaker:at a funeral, I want to hear stories about the deceased things.
Speaker:I didn't know, stories from their childhood or things that come
Speaker:out where you think, oh man, I never knew that about then.
Speaker:I didn't.
Speaker:That's interesting.
Speaker:I didn't really want any of that from the queen.
Speaker:So the, the religious hymns and readings were not annoying in that sense of taking
Speaker:time away from hearing about the deceased, but still Joe, the, just the, the readings
Speaker:from the Bible are such nonsensical rubish that, that people are just a room full of
Speaker:people just accepting and listening to.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Honestly, I was tempted to just start reading extracts from
Speaker:the first Corinthians verse.
Speaker:That was one of the first readings.
Speaker:I, I can't go.
Speaker:I can't go there.
Speaker:What a bunch of just gobbledygook nonsense.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Mishmash of just rubbish.
Speaker:I mean, it's like jazz singers doing this scat, like just
Speaker:making up words D do to be duh.
Speaker:they may as well be these things make no sense as you're reading king James Bible.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Oh, I dunno which one it was.
Speaker:yeah, it just, accepted by the masses.
Speaker:What can do, I, I understand that Chuck has actually made a sensible, speech.
Speaker:England or Britain being a multicultural country.
Speaker:And although he was head of the church, he wasn't just looking after the Christians.
Speaker:He was, responsible for all faiths and those of no faith.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Charles was probably quite progressive on a bunch of things like that.
Speaker:Well, I heard he had a bit of a fetish for, for Islam, but it could
Speaker:do, I mean, he was a bit wacky, you know, years ago talking about how he
Speaker:would talk to plants and things, but he was probably an environmentalist
Speaker:ahead of his time to some extent.
Speaker:So like, let's face it, he's got some weirds shit happening there,
Speaker:but probably got some aggressive things happening as well.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:All sorts of just crazy stuff.
Speaker:And I mean, having been brought up in.
Speaker:A household and a lifestyle that he is, you know, you cut people some slack in
Speaker:the way that I was giving, cutting some slack for, prince Philip earlier that
Speaker:mm-hmm he's gonna say things that I gonna offend people because he's in a bubble
Speaker:and he's got no idea of the outside world.
Speaker:Charles is in a bubble.
Speaker:Ah,
Speaker:I mean full marks of the queen, I guess she was in that bubble as well,
Speaker:but seemed to be relatively normal in many respects, full marks for that
Speaker:enjoyed her dogs and her ponies and whatnot people who said that she was
Speaker:incredibly up on current affairs.
Speaker:If she had, she had weekly meetings with whoever was prime minister at the time.
Speaker:And apparently she was across what was going on.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Give occurred for that.
Speaker:Mm-hmm yep.
Speaker:My wife was worried.
Speaker:She said, you look like to get on this podcast and just bagged the queen.
Speaker:Are you.
Speaker:No, I don't think I have.
Speaker:I think I'm understanding.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And you're keeping me in line, Joe.
Speaker:Just good.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean, I remember the queen mum, when she died mm-hmm and I, I think there were a
Speaker:lot of people who didn't understand, but, during the second world war, the, the two
Speaker:of them as in the queen mother and the king at the time, mm-hmm, had chosen to
Speaker:remain in London to live with the people.
Speaker:And she was regularly out with the victims of the blitz and it
Speaker:was, they could have chosen to disappear off and hide away and they
Speaker:it's that that's the unifying thing.
Speaker:It's the, they may be.
Speaker:Born rich and, and live a life of luxury, but they are still part of the country.
Speaker:They still come and see us in, in hard times.
Speaker:Mm yep.
Speaker:If you see sparks of humanity like that, it goes a long way.
Speaker:Mm-hmm bit like David Beckham stood in the queue and , didn't,
Speaker:pull the VIP card and go through the VIP Q, but, went the hard way.
Speaker:Stood there, 12 hours, whatever did hear that.
Speaker:people have been selling tickets right.
Speaker:To see the, the coffin.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:It hasn't come out that he did that.
Speaker:So, no, no, not that he did that.
Speaker:Oh, okay.
Speaker:Because it was free.
Speaker:Just queue up and go.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:People sold their ticket.
Speaker:If they left the queue.
Speaker:I know, but you could leave the queue and go and get a coffee or
Speaker:go to the toilet or something.
Speaker:And then come back into the queue.
Speaker:There was some way of.
Speaker:Right regulating that.
Speaker:But I, I think people were just selling tickets online as a commercial venture.
Speaker:Oh.
Speaker:To people who thought they could buy a ticket, right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Scalping for a ticket.
Speaker:Oh God.
Speaker:That's probably true.
Speaker:Did you hear what, Donald Trump said?
Speaker:I heard something about how the queen had never been so amused by
Speaker:him at some state dinner on what a great time she'd had or something.
Speaker:No, that, wasn't the thing I was thinking of.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I mean, that's, that sounds perfectly plausible.
Speaker:But he looked at where Joe Biden was sitting in the, in the, in
Speaker:the AEY or wherever it's called.
Speaker:He was quite a way back.
Speaker:Wasn't a front row seat by any means it was way back.
Speaker:And, Trump said, you know, if I was still president.
Speaker:They wouldn't have put me back there.
Speaker:I would've been up the front.
Speaker:So it's just, he saw that as a slight on America, which would never have happened.
Speaker:Had he still been president, right.
Speaker:Would've been seated in a far better position than what they gave Joe Biden.
Speaker:He'd been choked out.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, here it is.
Speaker:so he's not allowed to tweet anymore.
Speaker:So this must be on his Trump social.
Speaker:He posted this truth, truth.
Speaker:Social.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So instead of tweeting you truth, you send truths, send truths.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So he truth.
Speaker:This is what happened to America in just two short years, no respect.
Speaker:It's a picture of Biden way down the back.
Speaker:However, a good time for our president to get to know the leaders
Speaker:of certain third world countries.
Speaker:If I were president, they wouldn't have sat me back there and our country would
Speaker:be much different than it is right now.
Speaker:That's the hot take from , Donald Trump.
Speaker:What an awful man.
Speaker:What an awful man.
Speaker:Well, everything's always about him, isn't it?
Speaker:Yeah, indeed.
Speaker:It is.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And Joe, did you see the piece of paper that fell?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Oh, okay.
Speaker:Well, I'll bring you up to speed on this one then.
Speaker:So here we go.
Speaker:So remember just blinking this over.
Speaker:Yeah, it just, it's quick to remember how long.
Speaker:So just during the middle of the ceremony, this Bishop dropped a piece
Speaker:of paper and the paper then sitting on the floor and it's in the worst
Speaker:possible spot for a piece of paper to sit because just the camera view of the
Speaker:coffin and just slightly behind to the right is where this piece of paper is.
Speaker:That's then just obsessed myself and my wife and probably 2 billion other
Speaker:people watching the damn show going well, how's he gonna pick that up?
Speaker:Like it was just a little bit too far.
Speaker:You'd have to take.
Speaker:A couple of steps forward to actually get to it.
Speaker:And you're thinking, how are they gonna retrieve this paper?
Speaker:And, oh my goodness.
Speaker:And the, like, everything had been conducted with such military precision
Speaker:and, and, yeah, one guy, basically, I dunno if he was a Bishop, but he
Speaker:certainly had a Bishop's hat and the comments on Twitter were, well, he
Speaker:couldn't move forward and pick it up being a Bishop, he had to move diagonally.
Speaker:Mm-hmm is the problem.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So when can we start talking about a Republic?
Speaker:How long have we got we've got our official morning period has ceased and,
Speaker:the Royal family's got another seven days.
Speaker:And really, I think what will have to happen is.
Speaker:it's a bit like a shock doctrine.
Speaker:You've just gotta wait for the moment when emotionally people will be
Speaker:ready to discard the monarchy and it's just gonna take some incident
Speaker:of some sort and then people need to sort of strike at that point.
Speaker:So, cause it's just too much Goodwill at the moment.
Speaker:I, I think Charles is probably the biggest risk.
Speaker:I think if William gets in relatively soon, things will be shored up.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Because William is the child of St.
Speaker:Diana.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:whereas Charles was tarred with being the bastard who did her in.
Speaker:True.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I, I, I think now is it now is gonna be the dip if it comes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It would, it would require some event of some sort, I think, to shift the
Speaker:mood, cuz there's just a lot of positive vibe for the monarchy at the moment.
Speaker:So the Republican movement may as well, just cool its heels for a while.
Speaker:I think until something happens and be ready.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:But certainly if you're listening to sky news, they're not ready for
Speaker:a Republic, Joe, so you shut me.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:This is what you'll get.
Speaker:If you're listening to sky news.
Speaker:I'll tell you what if you're Frank about the historical record guys,
Speaker:decolonization was a bigger disaster for so many countries around the world.
Speaker:So much more bloodshed violence, all sorts of chaos and Michigan that, that
Speaker:you know that the empire itself didn't cause, oh, I wanna talk about this as
Speaker:well, because it drives me nuts that, we educate people that the empire was bad.
Speaker:I'm all for it.
Speaker:Let's start a new movement.
Speaker:Bring back the British empire, bring it back.
Speaker:You look at countries like Zimbabwe.
Speaker:You look at countries, in Africa like Uganda, where they
Speaker:decolonized, as James says.
Speaker:Disastrous results.
Speaker:You look at countries like India and Pakistan, which have
Speaker:struggled since the colonial era.
Speaker:It's fine.
Speaker:That's though.
Speaker:That's, it's fine to say there were bad things that happened.
Speaker:Of course there were bad things that happened, but look at the rule of law,
Speaker:the establishment of look at what's happening now of infrastructure and so
Speaker:on, and look at the opposite that has happened since the British empire with,
Speaker:through, with that road, the British empire was a great engine of civilization.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:If you look at other empires, if you look at other empires, the French, the
Speaker:Belgians by God, all of these other countries, the Spanish, you know, no
Speaker:other European power created so many successful successor states to the empire.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:That's that's what LL friend Rowan, deans up to.
Speaker:So no many, no other empire created so many successful states,
Speaker:but all the states have failed.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And you know, this argument, well, you know, Sure they went in and colonized, but
Speaker:then they left and look what a mess was.
Speaker:Look, what a mess happened when they left.
Speaker:Well, gee, you know what, when you tear down all the institutions that were
Speaker:there previously and then, put in your own and then leave leaving a vacuum,
Speaker:and maybe you've also reconstructed some borderlines along the way.
Speaker:of course you're gonna get a chaos afterwards.
Speaker:That's, that's what happens when you come in completely dismantle
Speaker:a society and, and then leave.
Speaker:So, so anyway, that's, that's the conservative view over at, sky news
Speaker:getting quite rabbit over there.
Speaker:yeah, I, I think that's a valid question in terms of, do we.
Speaker:Take a poll saying, do we replace the current system with something else?
Speaker:And that's our straw poll and that's a, yes, we go ahead and then decide what
Speaker:model of government it's going to be, or do we side the model of government
Speaker:upfront and then take that to the people?
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Because the problem last time was, yeah, people said, John Howard was being
Speaker:cynical by putting too many options.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:but the question is, do we have a yes, no.
Speaker:If you vote yes.
Speaker:Does that mean you're painted into a corner with whatever
Speaker:people decide afterwards?
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:And possibly get, you know, if, if, if the post monarchy system
Speaker:is divided up 34, 33, 30 3%.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Do you go with what 34% wanted.
Speaker:Or do we say, right?
Speaker:Not until we have a working model and we then take that to the pulse.
Speaker:Mm-hmm, I've just lost faith in people's capacity to examine these things
Speaker:rationally in any sense, Joe, like it just, it's all gonna be on emotion.
Speaker:Isn't it?
Speaker:Absolutely salesmanship of whoever's around at the time.
Speaker:well of course we'll, we'll have so many millions back if we
Speaker:leave, leave the Commonwealth.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And we won't have all those filthy foreigners coming over.
Speaker:Oh, no way.
Speaker:That was Brexit.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:well, I'm about done with the Queens funeral, I think.
Speaker:and we're gonna keep this as a relatively short one about a week ago.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We're gonna run through some other topics and and she's dead.
Speaker:It's done and dusted.
Speaker:I think the Republic will just have to let things cool down for a while.
Speaker:Wait for.
Speaker:Charles to make lots of mistakes potentially.
Speaker:and wait for some trigger because there's a lot of good will for the
Speaker:monarchy at the moment after all that that's gonna continue for a while.
Speaker:So, alright.
Speaker:Let's talk about some other things.
Speaker:Joe, since we met KTOV died.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Any thoughts, feelings about goov the accidental bringer of democracy?
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:I, I hear that it was totally unplanned.
Speaker:It just happened.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:All of the, Russia watches, all of the people paid lots of money,
Speaker:to examine the Soviet union.
Speaker:None of them predicted the breakdown of the Soviet union
Speaker:in such a short period of time.
Speaker:Nobody saw it coming.
Speaker:Essentially.
Speaker:I've heard that.
Speaker:The problem was they had spies inside the Soviet system and the Soviets
Speaker:themselves were lying to the poll bureau.
Speaker:And, and so they were getting primary information that was going to the poll
Speaker:bureau and they were believing it.
Speaker:And they thought that the Russian economy was in a better state than it was.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, my understanding is that nobody knew that Goel would do what he was gonna do.
Speaker:That any idea that he would do what he did, there's no way they would've made
Speaker:him leader, but, he got through a system when nobody thought he was that sort of
Speaker:character and had they had any idea that he was, he would never have made it.
Speaker:So he was an accident of history in a sense go job.
Speaker:So, unfortunately that just led to us corporate Raiders, and the mafia.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:basically.
Speaker:Grabbing hold of that country, stripping the common wealth out of it.
Speaker:And you get a cutin type character as a response.
Speaker:Did you see the, who was the Russian opposition leader?
Speaker:Noel nervous.
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:Noel.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:his documentary, which was incredibly badly dubbed, but was quite interesting.
Speaker:And effectively what he said was Putin was put in power by the mafia
Speaker:as a puppet and learned to their cost that Putin wasn't actually a puppet.
Speaker:He took power and then demanded huge amounts.
Speaker:And I mean, I, I almost half of their wealth, I think, right.
Speaker:For them to carry on.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:So it's, it's now a mafia run system where Putin is.
Speaker:Hoarding huge amounts of wealth, right?
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:If they thought he was gonna be a puppet, then they really got, well,
Speaker:he was mind a functionary in the KGB.
Speaker:But once a guy.
Speaker:Well, and then he was in the mayor's office.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:He was involved in the war in Cheney though.
Speaker:So I think he showed some tough policies there.
Speaker:So, anyway,
Speaker:it was unforeseen what Gobi child would do that then led to a stripping
Speaker:of the common wealth within Russia and then a response like we've seen, he
Speaker:was close to ELs and I did see that.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And, he sold off all the state assets at bargain prices to his.
Speaker:Political mates.
Speaker:Hooton did.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Ah, dear, another Russian oil executive died, fell from, died in hospital.
Speaker:Well, actually just outside of when he fell out the window.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, yeah.
Speaker:And he's the latest in a long line of, potential Putin
Speaker:opponents who have met misfortune, falling out windows and whatnot.
Speaker:The daughter of one of Putin's allies died and it was allegedly
Speaker:some Ukrainian spy and people were laughing about, I can't remember.
Speaker:There was something funny that, the FSB had claimed about this person.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I can't remember it was a silly name or something.
Speaker:There was, there was obviously no way they could have done it.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So reveal mag OV He, fell from a window at a central clinical hospital, died
Speaker:from his injuries that he sustained.
Speaker:And, it wasn't immediately clear whether it was an accident suicide or caused by
Speaker:foul play, but it did happen in, it did happen the day that, Putin visited him.
Speaker:So anyway, and he had been outspoken against the war in Ukraine?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:A lot of things adding up there.
Speaker:what else have we got here?
Speaker:Biden gave a rally, which had a lot of fascist imagery in it.
Speaker:A lot of red stuff behind a lot of military.
Speaker:Trump is having a rallies lately and his supporters are holding up a single hand
Speaker:and a finger in something that looks like it's an imitation of a Nazi style.
Speaker:Salute is happening now regularly at Trump rallies.
Speaker:So the United States continues to deteriorate, is in the EU is taking
Speaker:140 billion worth of taxes, from energy companies and winful tax.
Speaker:Yes, I think I did see that.
Speaker:So, so they just took 'em off it and said, took it off them
Speaker:and said, thanks very much.
Speaker:I believe they're passing it back onto consumers, right?
Speaker:Liz trust.
Speaker:I mean, since we've been talking since last we spoke, Liz trust, I think is even.
Speaker:Yeah, I think you as well.
Speaker:Yeah, she wasn't a prime minister.
Speaker:I mean, just, just another one of these Boris Johnson, Donald Trump, Scott
Speaker:Morrison, people who shouldn't be in charge of a used car sales yard, let alone
Speaker:a country, the caliber of people that is getting into the position of power.
Speaker:It should be frightening to people.
Speaker:and she's just another example of it.
Speaker:And as a particular fascination with Margaret Thatcher and neoliberalism, so
Speaker:UK fucked at the end of the day, like it's there bang you was a great woman.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, their removal from the EU, the difficulty in exporting stuff.
Speaker:the power costs are leader.
Speaker:Like Liz trusts.
Speaker:They're just heading to rack and ruin.
Speaker:And it's just gonna be a question of how long will it take, climate change
Speaker:wise, Joe, we're seeing lots of stuff.
Speaker:We've I think mentioned before, droughts in UK, France, parts of
Speaker:Europe, the Midwest in America.
Speaker:I was gonna say somewhere in America, they're finding bodies in a lake
Speaker:that hasn't been it's it's down to 30% capacity, which hasn't been
Speaker:since it was built in the seventies.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And they keep finding bodies in there.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:As bits, dry out.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Flooding in Pakistan.
Speaker:like we are now seeing some enough events.
Speaker:I think maybe climate change has reached, a bit like voluntary assisted dying,
Speaker:managed to get through legislation.
Speaker:When enough politicians had had real life experience of a
Speaker:relative, it had a tough death.
Speaker:They could go, oh, I understand this because it's happened to me or it's,
Speaker:it's happened to somebody close to me and maybe with climate change, we're starting
Speaker:to get to the point where, where our leaders are gonna know enough firsthand
Speaker:experience of climate change events and massive sort of, climate events that,
Speaker:and people will that they're, they'll be ready for voting for some change.
Speaker:Maybe I, I dunno.
Speaker:I, people have always had tough deaths.
Speaker:It's not like suddenly dying became harder.
Speaker:So I, I don't know that that was what changed it.
Speaker:You don't think so.
Speaker:Mm-hmm and with the climate change, they always, they, they just fall
Speaker:back on the old, we've had hot spells before we've had droughts before.
Speaker:Mm-hmm it, it's not till you, I mean, there was a, a graph I saw very recently,
Speaker:which was the number of excessive heat days or something in California.
Speaker:And you go back to the 1950s and there was one every two or three years,
Speaker:and now there's 20 a year and you can see the increment through the years.
Speaker:It's not that high temperatures have got any more high.
Speaker:It's just the number of days where you have these extreme weather events
Speaker:just becomes more and more each year.
Speaker:Mm-hmm I think.
Speaker:Yeah, I think the, and, and the same with Alania.
Speaker:This is the, apparently there were three triple year S on record
Speaker:mm-hmm and the last one was 74.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And we're ready for our third one now.
Speaker:Mm-hmm yeah, just going back to though, we've always had tough deaths, just,
Speaker:modern medical science, enabling people to hang on longer than, longer and
Speaker:longer when they're in a bad state.
Speaker:I think that's a relatively recent sort of thing that.
Speaker:I, I also think we've become less used to death.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:Historically you'd have lost a sibling or you'd lost.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I, I remember at school, one of my classmates died of leukemia.
Speaker:I, I think we are much more shielded from death than historically.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:So I think, we've been shielded from the climate through air conditioning
Speaker:and through, other mechanisms of civilization, but there's gonna be some
Speaker:events coming up soon and are happening now that I think that's starting to
Speaker:turn people around, but we'll see.
Speaker:I, I did see the second, passive house is being built up
Speaker:Toowoomba and that is a building.
Speaker:It's a European building standard where effectively, I think they said.
Speaker:The whole house can be called with four kilowatts of air conditioning, right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:it's just building to proper standards rather than, I mean, I was shocked when
Speaker:I moved over here about how lightweight building is compared to Europe.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I, I say to people like coldest winter you'll ever spend is in a worker's cottage
Speaker:in Brisbane, in the middle of winter.
Speaker:Cause the wind just rattle through in the chat room, noisy, Andrew says, did
Speaker:Bob Polk not have a drug affected son?
Speaker:And that's why Australia got at least harmed drug policy
Speaker:rather than zero tolerance.
Speaker:Maybe not sure.
Speaker:So, a noisy, Andrew also says I've us mates who swears that
Speaker:the us civil law is not over.
Speaker:That's true.
Speaker:They're heading for one, Botley the wizard also the amazing Aboriginal actor
Speaker:died, but Queenie drowned that out.
Speaker:No respect.
Speaker:That's true.
Speaker:Lots of other news has been completely drowned out and
Speaker:we're guilty of that as well.
Speaker:I guess in my defense, I've been really sick and I'm gonna call a time on this
Speaker:podcast earlier in the normal cuz.
Speaker:I'm still not quite a hundred percent as you can probably tell.
Speaker:and Braman had said you wait Trevor, it's not over yet.
Speaker:The coronation is next year coronation next year.
Speaker:Is that for prince Charles?
Speaker:Would that be, they would be for Charles.
Speaker:So do they wait that long?
Speaker:Do they?
Speaker:probably right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Ah, look, there's lots of things on the list there, but I'm gonna call it
Speaker:a quick one cuz I'm still scrambled in my head and I can tell that we are
Speaker:just all over the shop on this podcast.
Speaker:, but I think I'll be back to a hundred percent next week and we'll
Speaker:see what we'll come up with then.
Speaker:So sorry for this short abrupt end, but I'm done.
Speaker:signing out.
Speaker:Talk to you next week.
Speaker:Have some rub that'll help.
Speaker:Yeah, I'll do that.
Speaker:Bye now.
Speaker:Bye.
