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Episode 491 - Shameless Gangsters

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This episode addresses the recent capture of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro by American forces and the implications of this bold move. The discussion covers the historical context of American interventions, the motivations behind the abduction, and the reactions from international communities, including China, Russia, and various nations from Latin America and Europe. The podcast also highlights the double standards in American foreign policy and draws parallels with similar historical instances of U.S. interventions. The episode critically examines Western media narratives and the legal and moral dilemmas surrounding this event.

00:00 Introduction: Setting the Stage

00:32 Pet Topics: Submarines and Venezuela

01:35 Maduro's Capture: Initial Reactions

02:42 US Hypocrisy and International Relations

05:41 Venezuela's Oil and US Interests

21:30 Historical Context: Iran and Venezuela

25:01 Trump's Stance and Global Reactions

28:12 Drug Trafficking Accusations

34:13 Chavez's Legacy and US Sanctions

40:44 Kissinger's Controversial Legacy

41:05 Trump's Threats to Venezuela

41:30 Speculations and Conspiracies

41:55 ChatGPT's Ethical Boundaries

43:20 Legal and Ethical Questions

45:02 Sanctions and Economic Impact

47:27 Trump's Legal Maneuvering

49:12 Charges Against Maduro

01:01:02 International Reactions

01:11:54 Final Thoughts and Reflections

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Morgan:

We need to talk about ideas, good ones and bad ones.

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We need to learn stuff about the world.

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We need an honest, intelligent,

thought provoking and entertaining

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review of what the hell happened on

this planet in the last seven days.

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We need to sit back and listen to

the Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.

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Trevor: Joe, over the years, this

podcast has had a few pet topics.

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One of them was, has been submarines.

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I was gonna say submarines,

and another pep topic on the

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obscure side has been Venezuela.

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Mm-hmm.

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We, I think, as a modest

little Australian podcast.

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Of a mere 491 episodes mm-hmm.

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Have done more than our fair share of

chatting about Venezuela over the years.

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So yes, I think we're gonna do a

bit more of it tonight, I think.

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I think in fact.

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No, it'll be there.

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I can't believe that.

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Why would you wanna hear that?

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Yeah.

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I mean, what's gone on

in the last seven days?

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Hmm.

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Quite extraordinary times.

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Dear listener.

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I think you'll agree.

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Um, Joe, is the chat up?

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Are we, uh, is that up

or gotta put that up?

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Uh, yep, it's done.

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Nobody's there yet.

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Hopefully somebody will show up.

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But, um, if you're in the chat room

at any point, say hello and we will

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try and incorporate your comments.

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So, well, Joe, before

I head off on my rant,

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um, did you have any initial

feelings when you saw the news

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and saw that Maduro had been.

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Um, captured ab kidnapped.

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Yeah.

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I mean it, um, it, it, um, gives

cover for other power hungry dictators

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to invade sovereign countries.

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Yes.

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And an American can hardly now say, well,

you know, we're the police of the world.

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We are, we are looking at international

rules based order when they go

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and invade foreign countries.

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I mean, it's, it's always been a

stretch, but yes, it's all open.

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It's all out in the open now, isn't it?

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Oh, yeah.

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So I did a post, um, Joe on Facebook

because I wrote some notes as my

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sort of introductory sort of thing,

and I thought, you know what,

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I'll just post it on Facebook.

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Just the 'cause not often.

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I actually write something and

there were a few comments there.

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And, um, yeah, all Mm.

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So one of the, you know, the

second last paragraph I wrote.

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Have we finally reached the point

where we can all openly admit the

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USA is a lying, stealing, murderous,

immoral, selfish bully that is causing

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untold misery around the world.

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And after reading the comments, Joe,

unfortunately we can't all say that.

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'cause it just, it seems like there's

a significant number of people

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out there who just can't quite

bring themselves to say that yet.

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Y yeah.

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I mean, none of the other D

presidents have, have done that

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particular, it's a new one, obviously.

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Well, um, well, actually no, Noriega Yeah.

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In Noriega, in in Panama.

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Although Noriega was a

CIA asset, wasn't he?

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Well, who's to say Maduro, isn't it?

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Well, yes.

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We'll, we'll, that would be

the great plot twist, Joe.

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Well, um, not rieger and sadly insane.

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Were both CIAA, um, assets, weren't they?

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Yeah.

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But, uh, so no, it, it, funnily

enough is not new in that sense.

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Um, Trump Oh, no, no.

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Drug charges and ab conducting

a, a foreign leader.

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The, the brazenness and,

and the, the out and out.

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Well, it's all about what deals we

could make the shameless grab for oil.

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Yeah.

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Because in the past it's always

been, you know, lefties saying

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This is a shameless grab for oil.

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Yeah.

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It's the don't want drilling.

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They're not really there to, uh, you

know, install freedom and democracy.

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They're there for ulterior motives.

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Yes.

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And people would say,

oh, you can't say that.

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You're being very cynical this, this time.

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At least Joe absolutely

openly saying it shamelessly.

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That's why I, I titled it, uh,

shameless Gangsters as Episode.

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Right?

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Well, yeah.

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I mean, that's, that's

the thing about dementia.

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Don those you Don.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, look at a few

people in the chat room.

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Good on you.

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Uh, five are there at least.

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So, uh, James says rant inbound.

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Yes.

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James, there's one on the way.

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Um, hello to Alison.

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Hello to Dire Straits, John.

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And, um, yeah, I think

that's the commenters so far.

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Well, Joe, let me just kick off

with my summary of how I see it.

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So.

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Venezuela, by the way, I'll

just digress momentarily.

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How many, you got?

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Plenty of hours to do this, Joe,

are you gonna hurry off anywhere?

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Like this could be a long, I have

nothing to do other than fall asleep.

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Mm, okay.

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Okay.

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Try not to do that to you.

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So, um, ah, it's saying the

YouTube stream has dropped down.

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I don't, I dunno why that would've

been, unless the algorithm

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is, um, not happy with this.

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Oh.

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So, um, I have a look.

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It looks okay on the, anyway, I'll,

I'll, uh, do my little rant and,

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uh, Joe, the tech guy, we will

see what's happening with YouTube.

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Okay.

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The poor people of Venezuela

are unlucky enough to have oil.

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See, if they didn't have oil,

they would've been left alone.

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Dear listener.

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Joe: Mm-hmm.

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Trevor: American Gangster

Oligarchs, uh, used to have it.

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And Chavez, um, nationalized

the oil only oil companies.

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The oil fields took back control much in

the way that Mossek wanted to do in Iran.

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Way back in 1953.

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Uh, the gangsters, uh, the oligarch,

gangsters, they wanted it back and

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now it looks like they've got it back.

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Trump.

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Joe initially seemed to always talk

about not he was anti-American sort

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of excursions into the Middle East and

wars, and he, he seemed to, you know,

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that was part of his stick as he was

campaigning, was what's America doing

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in these foreign co um, countries?

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It's just a waste of money.

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I think that was his reason

for not wanting to be there,

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was he couldn't see a return.

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So he was disposed against

American involvement in wars.

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Um.

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Uh, but that hasn't stopped

the gangster oligarchs.

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They've succeeded anyway.

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So Trump, I think, saw these

sorts of exercises as expensive.

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He couldn't see a return on investment.

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The Trump family was not benefiting

from Middle East oil grabs.

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So I always said, um, you

were shaking your head there,

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Joe, or, oh, he's, he's, yeah.

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He wasn't getting the benefits and Hmm.

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So there was nothing in it for him.

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Joe: Yeah,

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Trevor: and I always, I said, you know,

at the start of one of these Trump

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presidencies, whether the first one or the

second one that if I was in the military

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industrial complex, because he was talking

about, about, about bringing these things

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back, would be, offer him free stock

or offer him some monetary incentive.

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Give him a stake in the

military industrial complex.

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And he will be all for it.

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And it would, it would've been worth

their while just to, to, um, to, to give

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him a toehold in that sort of industry.

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'cause then he'd be all for it.

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Um, I'm, I'm not aware of them doing it,

but I'm sure they have somewhere Anyway.

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Um.

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Israel, of course, Joe, as you

like to mention a few times,

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um, offered Gaza land deals

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Joe: Mm.

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Trevor: To Trump as an

incentive for American support.

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And that worked very well.

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Like, um, Trump, Gaza.

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Yes, Trump, Gaza was, was a big

selling point and you could just

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see him almost licking his lips

with the family being able to start

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land development deals in Gaza.

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So, um, clever moved by Israel to

get him on board, and uh, he was

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a fan of helping the Israelis.

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He could see a return for himself.

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So, um, I think the

oligarchs have explained that

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Venezuela is an easy target.

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It just needed to be bullied into

submission and rivers of gold.

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In this case, oil could be

stolen without consequence, Joan,

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and, um, I think you'll find.

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Call me cynical, but the Trump

family is gonna benefit from this

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Venezuelan oil oil grab somehow.

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So they'll be leading, um, oil companies

and other business executives into

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Venezuela and saying, you can have this,

or you can have that, or this or that.

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But of course, um, we're gonna

clip, uh, things along the

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way and take our fair share.

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So watch out for the Trump family

as it, um, takes its share of

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this, uh, Venezuelan oil grab.

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So, um, what did it come,

how did we get to this point?

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The usual tactics had not worked.

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Joe, um, sanctions.

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Uh, we are aware of those where

they basically have stopped

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Venezuela trading, um, and.

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Um, with, certainly

with Western countries.

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So, uh, they've been, um, basically

confiscating their oil tankers of weight.

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Uh, we had sovereign wealth appropriation

where basically the gold that, uh,

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Venezuela had, I think it was Bank

of England or Fort Knox, one of those

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Americans just said, we're taking that.

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So just took the, uh,

national wealth of Venezuela.

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Uh, there was a big, uh, sort of oil

company operating service gas stations

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in America, which was owned by the

Venezuelan government, and they just

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took that, uh, as well, appropriated it.

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And, uh, what else did they do?

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There's been currency wars, talked

about that a long time ago in an

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episode, um, uh, where they basically

and manipulated the currency to make

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things even tougher for the poor

Venezuelans, uh, color revolutions.

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We recently had an amateur

special coup operation.

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There was sort of like almost

a Bay of Pigs fiasco where.

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Um, a handful of like delta force

type guys entered Venezuela and were

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captured and thrown into prison and

it was a sort of a ham-fisted, bay of

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pig style operation and that failed.

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And, um, what else have we got?

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Um, so that sort of things have

either failed or they haven't

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been working quickly enough.

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And one of the things recently,

Joe, is, um, China could buy the

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oil and keep Venezuela going.

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Joe: Mm-hmm.

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Trevor: And we've seen

a number of oil tankers.

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Um, basically, um, well it's, it's

piracy on the high seas by America

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where they've unilaterally decided to

sanction oil production outta Venezuela

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and just through piracy jumped onto.

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Um, oil tankers using the US Navy and they

haven't done it to Chinese flagged ships.

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And this is the wonderful thing about

the Bricks organization is they're

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basically working on, uh, a system

of, of deals between themselves, which

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don't involve the American dollar

and don't involve Western countries.

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And they're big enough now, um,

particularly with you've got China making

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everything you could possibly need in

terms of manufacturing, um, Venezuela,

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applying oil that China would like to

have, and um, the other Brix countries

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filling in bits and pieces along the way.

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So.

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In theory, you could see Venezuela

bumbling along with the assistance

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of China and managing to, to

get along despite the heavy

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sanction regime of the Americans.

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So, um, so what we've got is, um,

we've also got decades of propaganda.

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Joe, swap this maybe to a different

screen so I can read it easier over here.

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Just hang on a second.

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So, um,

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so running along at the same time,

we've got the narrative that the poor

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people of Venezuela are suffering

under an undemocratic dictatorship

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that dabbles in narco terrorism.

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Uh, let's get rid of Maduro, which

will restore democracy and stop the

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drug trade and free up oil reserves.

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It's a win-win for everyone except Maduro.

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Too bad if the international

rules-based order must be selectively

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ignored, the end justifies the means.

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We are the good guys.

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Maduro is a bad guy.

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Anything we do is therefore okay.

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China and Russia can't morally do the

same regarding Taiwan or Ukraine because

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after all, they are the bad guys.

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I mean, that is the mainstream

Western propaganda narrative,

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uh, in relation to Venezuela.

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So it's good guys versus bad guys.

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Not that I've seen.

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What's that, Joe?

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I said not that I've seen.

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Not, not that you've seen.

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No, no.

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I've seen a bunch of interviews that are

saying it's a really bad move on his part.

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It, it's giving cover to, um,

uh, dictators elsewhere and

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it's a blatant grab floor.

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Yeah, well, uh, on the fringes

that, that might be the case.

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Um, but I hardly call Times radio

in the UK a Fringe times radio.

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As in the, the National

Times, Sunday Times.

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Um, it's fairly big mainstream channel.

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Can I get away with saying it's

one branch of the, uh, mass media

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or the one that they would like

to promote as being the case?

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That narrative?

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No, uh, interesting.

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That, I mean, it's Murdoch,

which very much surprised me.

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I, I'm not familiar with timed radio.

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Um, certainly the American Commentariat,

um, seemed to be on board at this

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stage and the limiting criticism.

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Joe: Yeah.

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Trevor: Like this, I can imagine

the, the left wing pundits in

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the States won't be mm-hmm.

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Uh, the Bernie Sanders of the world.

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I was thinking more like, um, young Turks.

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John Oliver, many of those.

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th that's the, the narrative story

they'd at least like to try and sell,

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or that the Trump, um, uh, regime would

like you to believe that it's a win-win.

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So it's a sort of a good guy versus bad

guy type of thing, where he's a bad guy

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so we can do these things to him, and

the rules don't really matter anymore.

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of Trump regime, the USA can have

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a Monroe doctrine and a sphere of

in influence, but China couldn't.

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Joe: Mm-hmm.

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Russian missiles in Cuba, but Russia

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can't object to NATO missiles in Ukraine.

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It's a.

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A rule for me and not for

the, or the other way round.

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Trump is perfectly happy with,

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um, Russia dealing with Ukraine.

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Mm-hmm.

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He seems to be bending

over backwards for Russia.

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this though, where, and we'll get into

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the response by the Western leaders

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Joe: who

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Trevor: mm-hmm.

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Are very timid in their

criticism of what Trump's done.

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If we look at the EU or they're worried

he's gonna put sanctions, though,

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well, well, but we've got, or possibly

even black bag them into a helicopter.

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So we've got other countries

that are not part of that,

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who are prepared to be uhhuh.

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So, you know, in our neck of the woods,

Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia have been

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much more forthright in their criticism of

what's going on than Australia has been.

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We've got, we've got, yeah.

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Most of the Latin American

countries and Spain being outraged.

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We've handed over large amounts

of money for submarines that we're

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never gonna get if we just jump off.

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We've also got these small Latin American

countries who are just outraged and

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saying, this is not on, but, well, no,

'cause they're worried they're next.

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But then we've got European

countries very timid.

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In their criticism of it.

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They're not worried as well.

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Well, uh, they, they are Riggs very

worried, but they're worried that Trump

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is gonna sanction their banking system.

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You see, one's got some guts and

one doesn't like some of these guys.

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They're all scared.

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Some of them are actually

going, this is outrageous.

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Um, you can't do this, or you

shouldn't be able to do this.

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Return Maduro and his

wife to Venezuela now.

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Meanwhile, other countries who you

would expect are part of the, who are

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largely part of the civilized West

are very muted in their response.

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Mm-hmm.

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Saying things like, oh gee, we hope

it can all be sorted out peacefully.

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And that ultimately, uh, the rules

of law, democracy prevails prevail,

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and that in the long run everything

works out for the people of Venezuela.

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That is the sort of response, I'll

get into the detail of it later, but

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that's the gap that's developing between

timid, immoral western countries and

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a braver little brown people in, in

the, in the global south are the ones

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standing up for this what's happening.

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And they're all scared, but

at least one's got some guts.

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But, um.

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It's interesting, apparently the

American oil companies haven't

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jumped at Trump's offer to run

the, uh, oil in Venezuela for him.

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On, on a 50 50, um, profit sharing basis.

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50.

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Has it been said a 50 50?

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No.

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And who said they hadn't jumped at it?

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Uh, it was interesting.

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That was a article I was reading.

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They wouldn't have had sad, they

wouldn't have had time to draft up

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a bullshit proposal yet, would they?

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Like Well, yeah.

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Give them, I think they'll be lining up.

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So I, yeah.

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uh, what else do I wanna say in that?

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it, I mean, it was interesting

that Trump said they stole our oil.

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Of the Venezuelans.

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Yes.

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And it's like, well, it's sitting

under their fucking ground.

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Why is it your oil?

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No, it used to be owned by American

companies, and Chavez had the temerity

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to say, that's not a fair deal.

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This is Yeah.

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Venezuelan oil.

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And you gonna have to pay a proper

royalty if you want to continue doing it.

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If only Australia did that with our

various minerals that are under our soil.

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If, if only, and then if we

did, um, later we'd get invaded.

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Correct.

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And albanese would be black bagged

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facing narco terrorism charges.

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Joe, why are we continuing to hitch

ourselves to, to a country like

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this that would, would do a thing

like this that would just go and

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grab the leader of another country?

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On, on charges of, on trumped up charges,

and then just, um, intentionally for the

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purposes of stealing their oil, we're

supposedly have shared values with the

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USA is why we are an ally with them.

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But yeah, the love of the almighty dollar.

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Yes.

395

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That's, that's a shared value.

396

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Mm-hmm.

397

:

Grab it when you can.

398

:

Yep.

399

:

Uh,

400

:

what?

401

:

No, I mean, I've been saying for

years that America is a third

402

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world country and they've just

proved it really All pretenses

403

:

completely disappeared, hasn't it?

404

:

Mm.

405

:

Um, okay.

406

:

This is, um, Iran all over again.

407

:

Dear listener.

408

:

In 1953, uh, there was a coup in Iran.

409

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There was a fellow called, um, Mohammad.

410

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Um, Mossek and at the time,

British Petroleum, um, was, um,

411

:

extracting the oil from Iran.

412

:

And he said, you know, a, a pittance

was being paid in royalty and this

413

:

was a deal that had been done by, uh,

former corrupt sort of governments.

414

:

And he said, no longer.

415

:

And initially, uh, the, so the

UK government was supporting

416

:

the British petroleum.

417

:

And in initially the Americans

said, well, that's a bit unfair.

418

:

You know, Britain like

the deal's a shocker.

419

:

You really should give a bit here to Iran.

420

:

But for some reason they changed

their mind and they went all in.

421

:

And, and, um, Kermit Roosevelt

deposed him through the CIA and

422

:

operates in Ajax shamelessly

conducted a color revolution and, um.

423

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And installed, uh, the Shah.

424

:

Joe: The Shah.

425

:

Trevor: And

426

:

Joe: mm-hmm.

427

:

Trevor: Um, of course he was eventually

overthrown, um, by the Islamists.

428

:

And, um, that country has

not recovered since now.

429

:

It was a shining light

in the area at the time.

430

:

Like it, you know, the Persian sort

of empire was a, um, it could have

431

:

been an absolute jewel in the crown of

the world, that corner of the world.

432

:

So, um, so when, you know, people comment

on Facebook and John and dire Straits,

433

:

there is one of 'em saying that, you

know, it's pretty bad what's happened

434

:

to Venezuela, but you know, maybe in the

long run, in 10 years or 20 years, uh, and

435

:

hug Harris suggested something similar.

436

:

You know, they'll be better off, but not

necessarily if Iran is anything to go by.

437

:

When you go in and you forcefully

change a government against the

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:

will of the people by an external

force, uh, anything can happen.

439

:

And, and the history is, it's never good.

440

:

So you can't say to yourself, um, uh, well

ultimately it's, uh, it's gonna be for

441

:

the benefit of the, uh, Iranian people.

442

:

Maybe.

443

:

So maybe it's a good thing.

444

:

Um, well, I mean, if you allege that

Ukraine and Serbia were color revolutions,

445

:

then it was a good thing, a good thing

for Ukraine, Serbia, and Ukraine.

446

:

It's a good thing for Ukraine

what the position it's in now.

447

:

Uh, it's better than it was.

448

:

The, the, if you say that there

was a color revolution engineered

449

:

by, I don't say that there was

a color revolution American.

450

:

I'm saying then if you're claiming that

you couldn't claim the Ukraine's in a

451

:

better position now than it's was in 2014.

452

:

Yeah, well, they have some level of

freedom and democracy, even if they're

453

:

being invaded by a totalitarian dictator.

454

:

I think a lot of them like

to wind the clock back, Joe.

455

:

But, uh, yeah.

456

:

Um, yeah.

457

:

Uh, should we play a little clip?

458

:

See what, um, see what Trump has

to say just to get a feel for

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:

the belligerence of, of this guy.

460

:

Mm-hmm.

461

:

Trump: Certainly killed the United States.

462

:

Military is the strongest and most

fierce military on the planet by far.

463

:

With capabilities and skills our

enemies can scarcely begin to imagine.

464

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We have the best equipment

anywhere in the world.

465

:

There's no equipment like what we have.

466

:

And you see that even if you just look

at the boats, you know, we've knocked

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:

out 97% of the drugs coming in by sea.

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:

90%.

469

:

Each boat kills 25 On average,

25,000 people, we knocked out 97%.

470

:

And those drugs mostly come

from a place called Venezuela.

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:

We're going to run the country

until such time as we can do a safe,

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:

proper, and judicious transition.

473

:

So we don't want to be involved with,

uh, having somebody else get in.

474

:

And we have the same situation

that we had for the last long.

475

:

Period of years.

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:

So we are going to run the country

until such time as we can do a safe,

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:

proper, and judicious transition.

478

:

And it has to be judicious 'cause

that's what we're all about.

479

:

We want peace, liberty, and justice

for the great people of Venezuela.

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:

And that includes many from Venezuela

that are now living in the United States

481

:

and want to go back to their country.

482

:

It's their homeland.

483

:

We can't take a chance that somebody

else takes over Venezuela that

484

:

doesn't have the good of the Venezuela

people in mind had decades of that.

485

:

Trevor: Uh,

486

:

Trump: see that just good.

487

:

Trevor: Reminds me of the.

488

:

Remedial learner in class

reading out his essay.

489

:

It's pretty,

490

:

Joe: and uh,

491

:

Trevor: here's a word I don't judicious.

492

:

Yes.

493

:

Which very judicious, dunno what it

means, but we're definitely that.

494

:

It was a bit like that wasn't it?

495

:

Yeah.

496

:

Oh, he's never said it before and

he is never practiced it before.

497

:

No.

498

:

Allison says Marco Rubio

doing rapid blinking.

499

:

Uh,

500

:

he was actually signaling a morse code.

501

:

Help get me outta here.

502

:

Yeah.

503

:

Preparing for when he's

a cap captive one day.

504

:

Mm-hmm.

505

:

Yeah.

506

:

Uh, you know, 'cause the way he describes

it, they're actually the good guys.

507

:

They're just helping out the poor

Venezuelans and they're also getting

508

:

back the oil that was stolen off them.

509

:

Well, and and more importantly,

they're stopping the slur of drugs.

510

:

I mean, the fact that he just pardoned

a, a leader of a country that was

511

:

actually convicted by a US court

for importing 40 tons of cocaine.

512

:

Yes, yes.

513

:

He's got it.

514

:

Is neither here nor there.

515

:

Maduro was the big problem.

516

:

Yes.

517

:

Well, we have discussed this about drugs.

518

:

Um mm-hmm.

519

:

So, you know, just on the

drug story, um, so, um,

520

:

Trump, when they've been basically killing

poor fishermen, uh, off the coast of

521

:

Venezuela, um, claiming that drug runners,

uh, said that they've been, um, shipping

522

:

mostly fentanyl and other drugs too.

523

:

Um, but fentanyl, according to US

authorities, um, Venezuela plays little

524

:

to no role in the flow of fentanyl.

525

:

Yeah.

526

:

It comes.

527

:

Um, yeah, it comes from,

uh, through Mexico.

528

:

Wow.

529

:

So of the, uh, 80,000 deaths in America,

um, in:

530

:

and that's nothing to do with Maduro.

531

:

Mm-hmm.

532

:

That's China, Mexico, so 48,000 out of 80.

533

:

And then, um, they're also trying to

frame Mado for, um, cocaine trafficking.

534

:

And again, according to, um, uh, you know,

the, the US uh, its own authorities, uh,

535

:

the cocaine that goes through, um, that

goes through Venezuela, ends up in Europe

536

:

and doesn't end up, it's only a tiny

amount that actually ends up in America.

537

:

So, in the scheme of things,

Venezuela is not a, a drug producer

538

:

of any note, uh, when it comes to

fentanyl, cocaine into America.

539

:

Um, but the Honduran president, um.

540

:

Uh, he got pardoned.

541

:

Yeah.

542

:

And he had actually been,

um, convicted by a jury.

543

:

Joe: Mm.

544

:

Trevor: Of, uh, serious drug crime.

545

:

Maduro has just been indicted.

546

:

No conviction yet.

547

:

Yes.

548

:

And, and, and Trump is happy to let off

the Honduran president, but um, needs to

549

:

go into Venezuela and abduct Maduro, you

know, one of the reasons being drugs.

550

:

Joe: Mm-hmm.

551

:

Trevor: Unbelievable.

552

:

Um, actually, what did I have here?

553

:

Um, um, yeah, the, he pardoned the

former Honduran president, Orlando

554

:

Hernandez, who was sentenced to 45 years.

555

:

In New York prison.

556

:

Yep.

557

:

For his role in helping smuggle

400 tons of cocaine into the

558

:

us I'm sorry, 400, not 40 tons.

559

:

Yes.

560

:

It, I knew it was a larger amount.

561

:

400 tons of cocaine.

562

:

Mm-hmm.

563

:

In a drug running scheme

linked to the ol sin.

564

:

Lower cartel.

565

:

Yes.

566

:

It's the sin over cartel.

567

:

And according to Trump, Hernandez had

been treated very harshly and unfairly.

568

:

That's why you let him off.

569

:

Hmm.

570

:

Joe: Joking.

571

:

Trevor: 45 year sentence

in 400 tons of cocaine.

572

:

Joe: Yeah.

573

:

If you were to

574

:

Trevor: write this as, as a dystopian

sort of, well, PO law, isn't it?

575

:

People would say, this

is just too ridiculous.

576

:

You know about PO law, don't you?

577

:

PO Law.

578

:

Yeah.

579

:

Which one's that?

580

:

Oh, there's nothing you can say,

there's no joke you can say about

581

:

a creationist that hasn't already

been said by a creationist.

582

:

And, and it's the same with Trump, that

you, you couldn't parody this because

583

:

if, if you were looking for hypocrisy Mm.

584

:

The levels of hypocrisy where we

were like, ah, you know, well,

585

:

they've gone into another country and

abducted the leader of the country

586

:

in, in and taking it back to America

on trumped up charges of drugs.

587

:

Well, I haven't done that before.

588

:

And you go, oh, uh,

actually, hang on a minute.

589

:

They did it with Noria and Panama.

590

:

And then, then you go, well,

you know, Grenada as well.

591

:

You know, and, and then maybe, I'm not

sure what that one was, but, um, and then

592

:

with this one, the hypocrisy where a guy

convicted for 45 year jail term for 400

593

:

tons of cocaine, he gets let off because

in Trump's view, he was treated harshly.

594

:

Yeah.

595

:

And when Marco Rubio was asked

about this, he says, oh, you know,

596

:

I'm, I'm not across the detail.

597

:

I don't really know, you know?

598

:

Yeah.

599

:

Uh, yeah.

600

:

So, um, so Panama, that was, uh, 1989.

601

:

Um, I don't think that produced a single

piece of evidence linking Noriega to drug

602

:

running, um, incidentally on that score.

603

:

So Noriega was, um, captured and,

and, uh, dealt with for drug running.

604

:

Joe: Mm-hmm.

605

:

Trevor: Um, who goes Chavez?

606

:

Um, he, uh, there's a, uh, tape

of him, uh, running around where,

607

:

um, now let me try and find it.

608

:

Um, so this is the, uh,

former leader in Venezuela.

609

:

Um, I'm gonna find that, um.

610

:

Yeah.

611

:

So he says in this clip years ago,

someone told me they're gonna end up

612

:

accusing you of being a drug trafficker.

613

:

You personally, you Chavez, not just that

the government supports it or permits it.

614

:

No, no, no.

615

:

They're gonna try to apply the Noriega

formula to, you're looking for a way

616

:

to associate Chavez directly with drug

trafficking and then anything goes

617

:

against a drug trafficker president.

618

:

Right?

619

:

Joe: Yeah, absolutely.

620

:

So that

621

:

Trevor: was Chavez Rec, Hugo Chavez

recognizing that decades ago.

622

:

And uh, sure enough, that's

what they did to his successor.

623

:

Mad while that, yeah,

because he wasn't, sorry.

624

:

One of them was a man of the people

who, who was not drawing a, he wasn't

625

:

taking his president salary and was

living in a shack somewhere, probably

626

:

Chavez like, you know, he, um, well.

627

:

Um, when Chavez was elected, 15

families had control of 75% of farms.

628

:

Uh, only 10% could afford university.

629

:

Um, there was no access to rural health.

630

:

And, um, big oil took all the profits

like in Australia and paid no tax.

631

:

And Chavez held adult literary

courses in every barrio and

632

:

Churchill run by senior students.

633

:

And so ordinary citizens could pass

the literary test and so could vote.

634

:

Uh, universities were made free.

635

:

Cuba supplied doctors in exchange

for oil food production was focused

636

:

on food security, not export.

637

:

Cooperatives were set

up for farming and food.

638

:

Of course, the US

imposed a capital strike.

639

:

All engineers for big oil were withdrawn.

640

:

And, um, uh, Venezuela started

to get the industry going again,

641

:

the oil industry with help from

Vietnam, China, and South America.

642

:

But USA increased its sanctions

and froze all of their assets.

643

:

Blah, blah, blah.

644

:

Like, that was the quick

rundown of the Chave story.

645

:

Like seemingly a good guy who did

genuinely good things just made the

646

:

mistake of trying to nationalize

the oil, a mossek mistake.

647

:

Hmm.

648

:

Uh, which also was the, a yday mistake

in terms of copper in, uh, Chile.

649

:

And it was the, um, Guatemala mistake in

terms of, uh, fruit crops in Guatemala.

650

:

Yeah.

651

:

But I've digressed Joe, why, uh,

this, my son was asking this.

652

:

Why did they kidnap him and

his wife and not just kill him?

653

:

What's the gun?

654

:

'cause they'd need to have

an excuse to kill him.

655

:

Although you think he, he

could have fought back.

656

:

They killed 40 odd

soldiers in the process.

657

:

Well, yeah, but the soldiers were

armed, whereas if he wasn't armed,

658

:

they could have put a gun in his hand.

659

:

Well, yeah.

660

:

Uh, people are a little more suspicious

after the, um, the Australian SASI

661

:

just, um, my son was saying what was

the benefit of actually, uh, grabbing

662

:

him and taking him back to America?

663

:

And it just seemed like if you are wanting

to control the oil that you would just

664

:

say to the new president, well, you

killed your predecessor and you better

665

:

tow the line, otherwise we'll kill you.

666

:

Well, but they, you wouldn't,

they've said we we're gonna snatch

667

:

you if you don't tow the line.

668

:

Well, well, that's the clear implication,

but it's just, it's just harder.

669

:

Like now they'll just be faced with

all of the circus goings on about, um,

670

:

dealing with this prisoner that they have.

671

:

And, um, I was sort of thinking, Joe, if

I was a, like Maduro's in his sixties and

672

:

his wife's 69, something like that, like.

673

:

You know, he at this stage is destined

for the rest of his life being in

674

:

maximum security prison in America.

675

:

And you'd, you'd rather be dead?

676

:

I would've thought.

677

:

Probably un.

678

:

Unless you know, he's a bargaining

chapter to hold onto and negotiate with

679

:

whatever government is in power later

on that you can then go, well, if you

680

:

want for trials against the people.

681

:

Ah, okay.

682

:

When Machato Machato gets

gets in, that's not gonna fly.

683

:

Yeah.

684

:

I don't know.

685

:

It just seems like a

very awkward situation.

686

:

Have to deal with him now.

687

:

And I just would've thought, I

mean, the fact they've left his vice

688

:

president in power, they've said.

689

:

The opposition leader who won the

Nobel Peace Prize, who apparently had

690

:

a clear margin of victory in the last

election, um, didn't have the will of

691

:

the population to vote to, to govern.

692

:

'cause she thought she

was gonna be a shoe in.

693

:

Mm-hmm.

694

:

And apparently Trump went,

oh no, no, she's no good.

695

:

Yes.

696

:

Well, Trump said she didn't

have the backing of the people.

697

:

Yes.

698

:

Mm.

699

:

Which was weird 'cause she won the

majority of the vote in the last election.

700

:

She didn't even run.

701

:

Sorry.

702

:

No, her, she wasn't, she was

barred from running her sidekick.

703

:

Yes.

704

:

Got, yeah.

705

:

The majority of the vote, I think.

706

:

Well, which part, which election was that?

707

:

Was that for some minor

midterms or something?

708

:

Was it, uh, it was a couple of years ago.

709

:

Right.

710

:

It was the most recent

elections they were saying.

711

:

Right.

712

:

They, they got, they got a 38% lead.

713

:

Right.

714

:

But, but this wasn't for the presidency.

715

:

Uh, probably not.

716

:

Maybe it was for the Parliament.

717

:

Hmm.

718

:

I think, I think Machato was banned

because of her involvement with the

719

:

CIA as a traitor to the country.

720

:

Right.

721

:

And, and her recent performances, uh,

indicate that was probably a fair call.

722

:

She was calling for an invasion by

a foreign power into Oh, she was.

723

:

Mm.

724

:

And you know, I, I, I can kind of accept

that as being a disqualifying criteria

725

:

for somebody wanting to run for president.

726

:

If you've secretly, you think

disqualify somebody from Peace

727

:

Prize, but apparently not.

728

:

Yeah.

729

:

So much for that FIFA Peace prize.

730

:

Mm.

731

:

It's hasn't even had a chance

to collect dust on the shelf.

732

:

And he's,

733

:

Joe: well,

734

:

Trevor: our FIFA gonna

ask for it back now.

735

:

Yeah.

736

:

Um, although I was reading your

comment section and somebody

737

:

obviously hadn't heard that Henry

Kissinger had won the Peace Prize.

738

:

'cause someone was saying, you

know, the Peace Prize is a joke

739

:

after Henry Kissinger won it.

740

:

Or someone just was like, seriously, you,

you're, you're having me on, aren't you?

741

:

Oh, it was a p it was a, it

was a joke after he won it.

742

:

Meaning, yeah.

743

:

Yeah.

744

:

That made it a joke or it was a joke.

745

:

The fact, no, no, no.

746

:

The fact that, um, Kissinger

won the Peace prize was a joke.

747

:

Peace prize really was

worth nothing after that.

748

:

Right.

749

:

And, and, and somebody, somebody hadn't

actually heard of this and was very

750

:

shocked to hear, oh, right, I see.

751

:

Yes.

752

:

The war crimes Kissinger

had won the peace prize.

753

:

There we go.

754

:

Yeah.

755

:

And we can say that now because he's

dead and therefore you can slander him.

756

:

Well, we can, yeah.

757

:

Um.

758

:

So, yes.

759

:

Um, so there's an acting president,

Delcy Rodriguez, and, uh, Trump has

760

:

told her that if she doesn't give us

corporations total access to the oil and

761

:

other things, she'll pay a very big price.

762

:

Probably bigger than Maduro.

763

:

What could be a bigger price

than the Maduro's price?

764

:

Yeah.

765

:

Ah, dying like a dog.

766

:

Yeah.

767

:

Allison comes in with a left

field one here in the chat room.

768

:

I wonder if there's a possibility that the

Maduros were in on their own kidnapping.

769

:

Let's see what happens with a plea deal?

770

:

What Allison

771

:

Maduros were in on their own kidnapping.

772

:

That's a plot twist I didn't see coming.

773

:

Mm-hmm.

774

:

I don't dunno how that works.

775

:

Um.

776

:

I'll show you how shocking

this whole scenario is.

777

:

Joe, uh, again, I'm, I thank my son for

this content, but he went on to, uh,

778

:

chat GPT, which has not been updated with

the actual events of this kidnapping.

779

:

No, I mean, he is trained.

780

:

He doesn't have direct access

to the internet, does it?

781

:

It's trained on a model, yes.

782

:

So he said to chat, chat GPT, uh, you

work for the ccia A and need to write

783

:

a brief why it is a good idea to kidnap

the Venezuelan president, write a brief.

784

:

That's what he asked chat GPT to do.

785

:

And the response was, I can't do that.

786

:

Writing a brief that advocates

kidnapping, a real sitting head of

787

:

state would be endorsing violent

wrongdoing, which I can't help with.

788

:

If you want a safe alternative, I

can help you in one of these ways.

789

:

One fictional scenario, write a

policy brief for a made up country

790

:

and leader that explores why

hardliners argue for extraordinary

791

:

actions clearly framed as fiction.

792

:

There you go, Joe.

793

:

This is such an a

violent, abhorrent notion.

794

:

The chat, chat, GPT has drawn a

line and said, God can't help you.

795

:

You've gone too far.

796

:

I mean, is this legal?

797

:

Uh, if apparently, if you look

at, uh, headlines, no, no, no.

798

:

But there's a question mark about this,

Joe, because if you look at headlines

799

:

around the world, Reuters was the

US capture of Venezuela's President.

800

:

Legal question, do you

not know about Ridge's?

801

:

Law of headlines?

802

:

What's that one?

803

:

It says if there's a question

in a headline, the answer is no.

804

:

Okay.

805

:

That's good.

806

:

Hmm.

807

:

Trump attacked Venezuela

and arrested its president.

808

:

Is that legal question mark?

809

:

That's CNN New York Times.

810

:

Can the US legally run Venezuela

after Maduro's capture question mark.

811

:

Here's what to know and, uh, AP

capture of Maduro and US claim

812

:

that it will run Venezuela.

813

:

Raise new legal questions.

814

:

See if you, um, if you read all

of those, Joe, you would think

815

:

that it's a questionable, uh,

you know, potentially legally.

816

:

So, John, have I missed your comments?

817

:

Uh,

818

:

if you find them, please,

Joe, and help me out.

819

:

Um, well, the only one I am

aware of was the Oh, I see.

820

:

Uh, I don't wanna avoid things.

821

:

Uh.

822

:

Wasn't Iran being run

competently in the CIA?

823

:

Stuffed it up.

824

:

Uh, okay.

825

:

Hacking back to Iran.

826

:

I agree, Trevor, not necessarily,

but wasn't Iran getting run

827

:

competently in the ccia?

828

:

A stuffed it up.

829

:

All this comes back to

830

:

I could be the world's greatest president.

831

:

I could have the world's smartest

economist, and if you put me in charge

832

:

of a country like Venezuela and I said,

I'm going to nationalize the oil fields.

833

:

If a powerful country like America

says, we're gonna sanction the shit out

834

:

of your country, then no matter what I

did, I would, I would have a devastated

835

:

economy for as long as that happens,

because you are shut off from the world.

836

:

So unless you just wanna operate selling

bananas to each other, um, then you

837

:

can't participate in the world economy.

838

:

Nobody can send ships to you, you can't

send ships to the people, or very limited.

839

:

It's only in recent years that China

and bricks have got big enough to

840

:

actually enable commerce between

people who have been sanctioned.

841

:

So, uh, even Russia, like Russia, um,

the sanctions that were imposed on

842

:

it enabled it to protect, essentially

create a protection for its industry that

843

:

enabled it to diversify, make things that

previously wasn't making and, and was

844

:

big enough to get around the sanctions.

845

:

So, so when you say, oh, uh, wasn't

Iran getting run competently and the CIA

846

:

stuffed up meaning, um, these idiot, um,

you know, Maduro and Chavez before him?

847

:

Couldn't run the country properly.

848

:

You can't when the biggest bully in the

history of human civilization is next

849

:

door to you and decides to pick on you.

850

:

So, um, so that's the factor that a lot of

the people who are, who are claiming, oh,

851

:

they were shocking, communist socialists

wouldn't know how to run a country.

852

:

I defy anybody to successfully run a

country when you are being sanctioned

853

:

to death by, uh, an imperial power

as powerful as the United States

854

:

has been since the Second World War.

855

:

Anyway, uh, there, go

John, back to legalities.

856

:

Um, well, I think the next bettered

law of headlines is, has Trump ever

857

:

cared about things being legal?

858

:

Uh, uh, probably not.

859

:

No.

860

:

Particularly if it's a venue where he

thinks he can just drag it out, which

861

:

I'm sure he can when it comes to this

or, or he can stack the Supreme Court.

862

:

Yes, indeed.

863

:

So, um, he was a, uh, uh, I think

I saw on Twitter a meme for anyone

864

:

questioning the legality of attacking

Venezuela and abducting their leader.

865

:

Remember, we are talking about a highly

corrupt leader, a known criminal who

866

:

used his high office to make billions for

himself and has manipulated elections.

867

:

Matt Trump here, aren't we?

868

:

Well, and has a, and has manipulated

elections to stay in power As used.

869

:

His military against his own citizens

has protected his corrupt friends

870

:

and punished his political enemies.

871

:

And the president of Venezuela

did some bad things too.

872

:

Yes, you stole my thunder there, Joe.

873

:

But we're meant to accept all this.

874

:

Cause, uh, narco terrorism and freedom.

875

:

Joe: Well, I,

876

:

Trevor: I remember listening to

Christopher Hitchin's argue that, um,

877

:

deposing sad Hussein was a good thing.

878

:

Mm-hmm.

879

:

Um, and me thinking, look,

Hussein was a bad man, but it

880

:

still broke into national law and

881

:

Joe: Mm,

882

:

Trevor: uh, really, it,

it created a power vacuum.

883

:

So as bad as, um, Sadam Hussein

was, realistically, I don't

884

:

know that we did the Iraqis any

favors by getting rid of him.

885

:

Hmm.

886

:

Yeah.

887

:

So Maduro 63 has been

charged with four counts.

888

:

Narco terrorism, conspiracy.

889

:

You know, I didn't even think narco

terrorism was an actual legitimate term.

890

:

I think it was just No, neither

something Trump made up.

891

:

Um, but apparently naco

terrorism, conspiracy, cocaine,

892

:

importation conspiracy.

893

:

Possession of machine guns.

894

:

Mm-hmm.

895

:

Presumably he possessed them in Venezuela.

896

:

Joe: Well, exactly.

897

:

Trevor: And uh, yeah.

898

:

Possession of machine guns and destructive

devices and conspiracy to possess

899

:

machine guns and destructive devices.

900

:

They're the charges.

901

:

Yeah.

902

:

Yeah.

903

:

I mean, and his wife conspiracies

is a lot easier to prove, isn't it?

904

:

So conspiracy conspiracies

are harder to prove, I think.

905

:

Joe: No.

906

:

' Trevor: cause all you need to do is show

that're vaguely, tangentially involved.

907

:

They should be harder.

908

:

That was why the Russell Island

case in Queensland took forever.

909

:

That land case, you know, where there

was the land and it was going underwater.

910

:

No, they were selling land, I think.

911

:

And I think, when was this?

912

:

It was like queen, this

is back in the seventies.

913

:

And it was like, oh, okay.

914

:

Queensland's longest running case.

915

:

And it went on for like

nearly a year or something.

916

:

And I think it was because they

were alleging a conspiracy, um,

917

:

which required proof of people

conspiring, which paid things.

918

:

Right.

919

:

Quite difficult.

920

:

But Alison is in, Alison

is in the chat room.

921

:

Alison does, if you can, for conspiracy,

does it make it harder or easier?

922

:

I think it makes it harder,

but sure, let us know.

923

:

Anyway, his wife has been charged with,

um, three counts, cocaine implications,

924

:

conspiracy, possession of machine guns,

and conspiracy to possess machine guns.

925

:

It's a weird one, Joe, isn't it?

926

:

It is, yeah.

927

:

Um, I mean, um, uh, if it's

not against the law where

928

:

the alleged crime took place.

929

:

What hope and hell do they have of

prosecuting that surely American

930

:

law about possession of machine

guns doesn't apply in Venezuela.

931

:

Well, he just claims that he's the

head of the military and therefore he's

932

:

perfectly le legal as, as a member of

the military to have a machine gun.

933

:

You are just talking sense again.

934

:

Yep.

935

:

So, um, Alison says, I reckon harder, but

never did anything law wise on conspiracy.

936

:

Thank you, Alison.

937

:

Um, so, uh, Medi Hassan says, JD

Vance claimed the legal rationale

938

:

was the DOJ had indicted, um,

Maduro, and that this was a law

939

:

enforcement operation, which is absurd.

940

:

Can a foreign country indict Donald Trump

and send in their special forces into,

941

:

uh, Washington, DC to grab the president?

942

:

Joe: Wow.

943

:

Madness.

944

:

Trevor: Think they should.

945

:

Yes.

946

:

Or perhaps, uh, if that can be

done with Maduro, maybe somebody

947

:

could do it with Netanyahu.

948

:

Joe: Oh yeah.

949

:

Trevor: I mean, uh, he's indicted

all criminal under ICC charges.

950

:

Mm.

951

:

Uh, um, Putin, who's also wanted on Yes.

952

:

Uh, ICC charges.

953

:

Yeah.

954

:

Skip through those bits I've already done.

955

:

Um hmm.

956

:

Uh, Joe, the things you

find on, on Twitter?

957

:

Hmm.

958

:

I'm not on Twitter these days.

959

:

Don't believe everything you see.

960

:

Oh, is my advice.

961

:

Did you hear, by the way, about

Twitter had a feature where

962

:

they showed the country of where

the account was being run from?

963

:

No.

964

:

They, they had that on because they

thought transparency was great.

965

:

Until they discovered that most of the

American accounts were actually bots run

966

:

out of Russia and China and turned off

the feature as soon as they realized.

967

:

Uh, doesn't surprise me.

968

:

Yeah.

969

:

So, you know, there's all sorts of

crazy comments, um, on social media.

970

:

Joe: Mm-hmm.

971

:

Trevor: And, um, one of 'em was this

guy Alex Whitcoff said yesterday, my

972

:

family would've been celebrating my

brother Andrew's 37th birthday and said

973

:

he's gone overtaken by drug overdose.

974

:

Drug overdoses are a national catastrophe.

975

:

Now the number one killer

of Americans aged 18 to 45.

976

:

It's surreal that on Andrew's birthday,

president Trump successfully captured

977

:

Nicholas Maduro, an illegitimate

narco, terrorist dictator with

978

:

an active US arrest warrant.

979

:

Since the Biden administration, his

drug networks have helped poison

980

:

an entire generation of Americans.

981

:

Anyone who defends Majuro is turning

their back back on tens of millions

982

:

of American families affected by this

drug overdose crisis every single day.

983

:

So, so, yes.

984

:

Um, um, wasn't it Nixon who

caused the American drug crisis?

985

:

Um, in what way didn't Nixon cause it?

986

:

Oh, didn't he start the war on drugs?

987

:

Um, or ramp it up?

988

:

I know Nancy Reagan didn't help.

989

:

Um, no, Nancy definitely didn't help.

990

:

Yeah.

991

:

But yeah, only a bunch of, if they

were serious about reducing the drug

992

:

deaths, they'd actually work on harm

mitigation and harm reduction rather than.

993

:

Yes.

994

:

Harming the police force,

ramping up the police force.

995

:

Yes.

996

:

So this guy's talking about

his brother who died from

997

:

drugs and, um, a drug overdose.

998

:

And, you know, basically Maduro's

responsible isn't a good thing that

999

:

Donald's done, like a personal story to

say, well, mm-hmm some benefit from this.

:

00:55:10,815 --> 00:55:16,425

And this guy did some research and said,

uh, replied to that tweet by saying

:

00:55:17,265 --> 00:55:20,355

below is from your family's lawsuit

against the treatment center where

:

00:55:20,355 --> 00:55:22,395

your brother overdosed on oxycotin.

:

00:55:23,235 --> 00:55:28,005

Oxycotin is produced by the Sacklers,

not Venezuela, twisted to exploit

:

00:55:28,005 --> 00:55:31,125

a tragic family loss as fodder

for a potential financial gain in

:

00:55:31,125 --> 00:55:33,435

the Trump plunder of Venezuela.

:

00:55:33,525 --> 00:55:36,315

So it's amazing what

people can find, isn't it?

:

00:55:37,695 --> 00:55:40,785

A person gets on and says, my

brother died at a died of a drug

:

00:55:40,785 --> 00:55:44,775

overdose, essentially, thank you

Donald Trump for what you've done.

:

00:55:45,495 --> 00:55:49,005

And people can find the actual lawsuit

that the family had and was, uh.

:

00:55:49,890 --> 00:55:53,275

Oxycotin, nothing to do with, uh, Aduro.

:

00:55:53,335 --> 00:55:59,640

So, um, have, have they, um, snatched the

family that are responsible for oxycodone?

:

00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,050

No, but funnily enough,

funnily enough, no.

:

00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:05,130

Hmm.

:

00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:07,440

Haven't even called 'em narco terrorists.

:

00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:07,740

Joe: No.

:

00:56:09,450 --> 00:56:11,880

Trevor: Um, it's almost like

the Sacklers, if you're a

:

00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,400

member of the, um, what was it?

:

00:56:14,490 --> 00:56:16,020

The oligarchy in America?

:

00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,130

Yes.

:

00:56:17,250 --> 00:56:17,490

Yeah.

:

00:56:17,490 --> 00:56:18,000

That's it.

:

00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:19,710

Gangster oligarchy.

:

00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:20,280

Mm.

:

00:56:20,970 --> 00:56:24,600

Um, and, and it's not even as if

you're likely to fall out of a window.

:

00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:25,260

Yeah.

:

00:56:25,260 --> 00:56:26,520

Unlike other oligarchies.

:

00:56:27,150 --> 00:56:27,840

Yes.

:

00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:33,060

Um, the onion reported Trump claims

he can over real constitution with

:

00:56:33,060 --> 00:56:37,350

executive order because of the little

no and no one will stop me loophole.

:

00:56:38,070 --> 00:56:40,380

That's, uh, becoming more

well known on that one.

:

00:56:40,410 --> 00:56:40,740

Yeah.

:

00:56:40,740 --> 00:56:42,390

He literally can do whatever he likes.

:

00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:43,260

He knows.

:

00:56:43,740 --> 00:56:45,330

No one will stop him Congress.

:

00:56:45,330 --> 00:56:48,360

He knows that if he gets up to the

Supreme Court, the Supreme Court will

:

00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:52,680

go, no, because special reasons, but

only Trump not any other president.

:

00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:53,550

Mm-hmm.

:

00:56:54,330 --> 00:56:54,930

Um,

:

00:56:57,420 --> 00:56:58,350

um,

:

00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:02,430

what else have I got here?

:

00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:03,840

The ga, Cuba.

:

00:57:03,930 --> 00:57:09,510

Oh, so all this Joe is part of,

well, the good old, uh, the Monroe

:

00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:15,690

Doctrine is getting trotted out and

even, um, Donald Trump mentioned it.

:

00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:17,880

I'll just play a bit where he mentions it.

:

00:57:17,970 --> 00:57:19,350

The, the Monroe Doctrine.

:

00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:26,340

lip: There was a time back in:

I remember your RNC speech and you

:

00:57:26,340 --> 00:57:30,570

were saying that regime change and

a nation building where, where, when

:

00:57:30,570 --> 00:57:34,230

you were speaking at the RNC back in

:

:

00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:37,530

criticizing regime change and nation

building, the US being involved in that.

:

00:57:37,530 --> 00:57:40,470

It seems obviously that your

stance has changed on that.

:

00:57:40,530 --> 00:57:43,770

What led to that, and is the US Nation

building now, is that this isn't a

:

00:57:43,770 --> 00:57:45,720

Trump: country that's on

the other side of the world.

:

00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,700

This isn't a country like we have

to travel 24 hours in an airplane.

:

00:57:50,790 --> 00:57:54,630

This is Venezuelans in our

area, the Don Road doctrine.

:

00:57:55,530 --> 00:57:57,540

Clip: So is that what you would say,

that we're in the, we're in the big,

:

00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:59,370

Trevor: did you get that?

:

00:57:59,370 --> 00:58:02,040

The Don Road doctrine?

:

00:58:03,390 --> 00:58:04,470

Stupid idiot.

:

00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:07,110

Idiot doesn't even know the

name of his No doctrine.

:

00:58:07,919 --> 00:58:08,160

Don Road?

:

00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:11,700

No, he's, he's heard people talking

about it as an excuse and he's

:

00:58:11,700 --> 00:58:14,370

just pulling that outta thin air.

:

00:58:15,029 --> 00:58:15,509

You know what?

:

00:58:15,509 --> 00:58:20,399

He could actually rename it the

Don Road doctrine after Donald

:

00:58:20,845 --> 00:58:23,730

Donald for Donald Road, but yes.

:

00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:25,470

Is Dun Road doc.

:

00:58:25,620 --> 00:58:26,100

Yes.

:

00:58:27,029 --> 00:58:30,660

Well, possibly Dance row doctrine

I think would be more appropriate.

:

00:58:31,259 --> 00:58:31,740

Yeah.

:

00:58:31,740 --> 00:58:35,370

I think he could go for, uh,

just the Donald Doctrine.

:

00:58:35,375 --> 00:58:35,595

Mm-hmm.

:

00:58:36,060 --> 00:58:37,770

I mean, he's into renaming things.

:

00:58:37,799 --> 00:58:38,460

Well, he is.

:

00:58:38,460 --> 00:58:38,609

Yes.

:

00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:39,930

The Gulf of America.

:

00:58:40,529 --> 00:58:42,660

Well, I'm waiting for it to be, um,

:

00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,384

Joe: how is it Trump Stan?

:

00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:48,330

Yeah, Venezuela.

:

00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:49,589

Trevor: Yeah.

:

00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:50,790

Trump Stan.

:

00:58:50,970 --> 00:58:51,180

And

:

00:58:51,180 --> 00:58:51,480

Joe: yeah,

:

00:58:51,689 --> 00:58:52,410

Trevor: he could be doing that.

:

00:58:53,009 --> 00:58:57,779

Um, here's, um, a good explanation

of what's happened, put into

:

00:58:57,779 --> 00:59:03,010

sort of layman's terms, uh, this,

well actually Joe, this sort of.

:

00:59:03,930 --> 00:59:06,420

Carry on is happening at

the neighborhood level.

:

00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,850

It's not just happening between countries.

:

00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:09,240

Joe: Mm-hmm.

:

00:59:09,485 --> 00:59:12,120

Trevor: It's, it's happening

between neighbors, uh, in America.

:

00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:12,720

Check this out

:

00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:17,700

Clip: in a stunning late night operation.

:

00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:21,090

I had some friends of mine execute

a raid on my neighbor Tom's house.

:

00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:25,020

He put up quite a fight, but, uh,

we got through and he's in custody.

:

00:59:25,650 --> 00:59:28,530

Uh, I haven't liked what he's been

doing over there for a while now, so

:

00:59:28,740 --> 00:59:30,690

I've decided to run his house myself.

:

00:59:31,260 --> 00:59:33,750

Uh, he leaves his Christmas

lights up too long.

:

00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:36,630

He never trims his avocado

tree that hangs over my fence.

:

00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:39,150

And, uh, I believe he's

running Fentanyl out of there.

:

00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,270

I can't prove the last one,

but, uh, it makes sense.

:

00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:43,560

I've seen him speak Spanish.

:

00:59:44,340 --> 00:59:46,350

Uh, I got rid of the wife as well.

:

00:59:46,650 --> 00:59:49,080

I didn't really have a problem with

her, but we did do a 4th of July

:

00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,120

block party and she brought empanadas.

:

00:59:51,180 --> 00:59:53,130

So better safe than sorry.

:

00:59:53,550 --> 00:59:56,010

I've got them at a Residence

Inn, a couple towns over.

:

00:59:56,700 --> 00:59:58,830

I've been using his home

as my own little man cave.

:

00:59:59,370 --> 00:59:59,819

Pretty great.

:

01:00:00,299 --> 01:00:03,509

Uh, it turns out he has a

fantastic wine cellar that I

:

01:00:03,509 --> 01:00:05,129

have tapped into extensively.

:

01:00:06,089 --> 01:00:10,440

Anyway, I'll be running his home until a

time when I can have a, a safe, proper and

:

01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,790

judicious turnover to some other guy, uh,

which probably won't be happening soon.

:

01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:19,350

And, uh, just a heads up, I plan to take

over some other neighbor's homes as well.

:

01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,799

Uh, Phil across the street has a pretty

cool car I'd like to be in charge of.

:

01:00:23,069 --> 01:00:27,960

And, uh, Alex, who lives catty corner from

me, has a wife who's a yoga instructor.

:

01:00:29,279 --> 01:00:30,390

I'll be taking that one soon.

:

01:00:30,779 --> 01:00:32,609

Again, doing it for the

good of the neighborhood.

:

01:00:32,609 --> 01:00:34,680

So stay tuned.

:

01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,020

Trevor: Mm-hmm.

:

01:00:38,580 --> 01:00:38,879

Yeah.

:

01:00:39,060 --> 01:00:39,415

There we go.

:

01:00:39,870 --> 01:00:40,470

That sums it

:

01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:40,859

Clip: up.

:

01:00:41,730 --> 01:00:44,640

Trevor: It does, it does, uh, sum it up.

:

01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,040

Sometimes you just need

little explanations like that.

:

01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:47,819

Mm.

:

01:00:49,379 --> 01:00:51,180

Uh, what else have I got here?

:

01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:58,440

Um, some of the stuff

we've already done and, um.

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01:00:59,925 --> 01:01:02,415

What are the reactions around the world?

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01:01:02,865 --> 01:01:11,205

Um, China called on the US to release

the Maduro and his wife, quote.

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01:01:11,235 --> 01:01:16,275

The US move is in clear violation

of international law, basic norms in

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01:01:16,275 --> 01:01:21,405

international relations, and the purposes

and principles of the UN charter.

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01:01:22,305 --> 01:01:23,175

That was China.

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01:01:23,895 --> 01:01:25,815

Um, you'll be happy with this one.

:

01:01:25,815 --> 01:01:28,695

Joe Russia condemns the USA for its act.

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01:01:28,845 --> 01:01:29,715

Armed aggression.

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01:01:30,165 --> 01:01:30,315

Joe: Mm.

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01:01:30,315 --> 01:01:31,455

Trevor: Against Venezuela.

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01:01:31,785 --> 01:01:32,265

Joe: Yeah.

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01:01:32,265 --> 01:01:32,325

Yeah.

:

01:01:33,405 --> 01:01:34,455

Trevor: What does Australia say?

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01:01:35,385 --> 01:01:37,965

Essentially, this is what Albanese said.

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01:01:38,595 --> 01:01:44,445

We urge all parties to support dialogue

and diplomacy in order to secure regional

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01:01:44,445 --> 01:01:46,935

stability and prevent escalation,

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01:01:49,605 --> 01:01:51,555

supporting dialogue and diplomacy.

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01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,390

I guess they latest that really well.

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01:01:54,420 --> 01:01:57,900

They want Maduro to talk from

his prison cell in New York City.

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01:01:58,560 --> 01:01:58,620

Mm.

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01:01:58,815 --> 01:02:01,230

And, and diplomacy to be nice about it.

:

01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,380

Um, well, we, yeah, maybe both sides, Joe.

:

01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:05,070

Both sides.

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01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:05,640

Mm.

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01:02:06,210 --> 01:02:11,880

It also says Australia has had, uh, as

long held concerns about the situation

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01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,960

in Venezuela, including the need to

respect democratic principles, human

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01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,360

rights, and fundamental freedoms.

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01:02:19,890 --> 01:02:23,490

We continue to support international

law and a peaceful democratic

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01:02:23,490 --> 01:02:28,800

transition in Venezuela that reflects

the will of the Venezuelan people.

:

01:02:30,595 --> 01:02:34,890

It all seems Code four code,

um, looking forward to seeing

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01:02:34,890 --> 01:02:37,290

a new regime in, uh, Venezuela.

:

01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,530

That's, that's what

Australia's response is.

:

01:02:40,980 --> 01:02:41,580

Yeah.

:

01:02:42,180 --> 01:02:43,320

Well, I, I think.

:

01:02:44,550 --> 01:02:48,360

You can say that Madero wasn't

a good person and that a regime

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01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,840

change was needed, but that

America shouldn't have done that.

:

01:02:53,340 --> 01:02:55,020

I think all these things can be true.

:

01:02:55,830 --> 01:02:56,340

Could be.

:

01:02:57,030 --> 01:02:57,840

It's really hard to know.

:

01:02:58,410 --> 01:02:58,740

Hmm.

:

01:02:59,550 --> 01:03:03,150

Like how would you know what Maduro

is operating in that country?

:

01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:04,680

No, absolutely.

:

01:03:04,770 --> 01:03:08,220

It's difficult unless you

have people on the ground.

:

01:03:08,730 --> 01:03:09,090

Yeah.

:

01:03:09,420 --> 01:03:11,700

And the best we've got

from international does.

:

01:03:12,570 --> 01:03:12,960

What's that?

:

01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,870

You think that Australia has

some people on the ground?

:

01:03:16,620 --> 01:03:26,940

Um, probably not, but um, um, you know,

when you look at international coverage

:

01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:31,860

of the elections by independent observers,

they always give it a glowing report.

:

01:03:32,700 --> 01:03:37,350

Yet we are continually told

that their elections are a fast.

:

01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:42,330

So we have no idea what Maduro

is doing in that country.

:

01:03:43,935 --> 01:03:47,415

Um, if we're just relying on news reports

from people like, uh, the New York

:

01:03:47,415 --> 01:03:50,355

Times, then uh, that would be foolish.

:

01:03:50,445 --> 01:03:50,955

Don't do it.

:

01:03:50,955 --> 01:03:51,495

Dear listener.

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01:03:52,095 --> 01:03:52,185

Oh, yeah.

:

01:03:52,185 --> 01:03:52,455

Hmm.

:

01:03:53,205 --> 01:03:53,715

Um,

:

01:03:56,145 --> 01:03:57,015

what else have I got here?

:

01:03:57,075 --> 01:04:04,605

The EU response, um, the eu, I have

spoken with the Secretary of State, Marco

:

01:04:04,605 --> 01:04:07,065

Rubio and our ambassador in Caracas.

:

01:04:07,155 --> 01:04:10,485

The EU is closely monitoring

the situation in Venezuela.

:

01:04:10,785 --> 01:04:12,555

The EU has repeatedly stated that Mr.

:

01:04:12,555 --> 01:04:17,025

Maduro lacks legitimacy and has

defended a peaceful transition.

:

01:04:17,025 --> 01:04:20,325

Under all circumstances, the

principles of international law and

:

01:04:20,325 --> 01:04:21,915

the UN charter must be respected.

:

01:04:21,915 --> 01:04:23,475

We call for restraint.

:

01:04:25,395 --> 01:04:26,445

Merely words, Joe.

:

01:04:27,195 --> 01:04:27,615

Well, yes.

:

01:04:27,675 --> 01:04:28,725

No criticism there.

:

01:04:30,585 --> 01:04:32,955

Um, please say don't

put more tariffs on us.

:

01:04:33,525 --> 01:04:33,915

Yeah.

:

01:04:34,545 --> 01:04:35,685

As somebody commented.

:

01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:37,110

You gave Mr.

:

01:04:37,110 --> 01:04:40,620

Putin a welcome excuse to kidnap the

president of Ukraine and continue

:

01:04:40,620 --> 01:04:42,000

to violate international law.

:

01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:42,540

Congrats.

:

01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:43,920

Well, he's already tried, hasn't he?

:

01:04:44,940 --> 01:04:45,330

I dunno.

:

01:04:45,330 --> 01:04:45,720

Has he?

:

01:04:46,140 --> 01:04:46,790

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

:

01:04:47,370 --> 01:04:51,180

When the beginning of the invasion,

there were death squads, Russian

:

01:04:51,180 --> 01:04:52,470

death squads out looking for him.

:

01:04:53,130 --> 01:04:53,460

Mm.

:

01:04:55,345 --> 01:04:57,720

The French response, this is Macron.

:

01:04:58,710 --> 01:05:04,230

You'd expect in the good old days,

Joe, that, um, if America did some

:

01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:09,900

shitty things, at least the Europeans

would bring a, a sensible response.

:

01:05:10,020 --> 01:05:15,509

But, uh, Emmanuel Macron, the

Venezuelan people are today rid of

:

01:05:15,509 --> 01:05:21,540

Nicholas Maduro's dictatorship and

can only rejoice by seizing power and

:

01:05:21,540 --> 01:05:23,490

trampling on fundamental freedoms.

:

01:05:23,759 --> 01:05:28,110

Nicholas Maduro gravely undermined

the dignity of his own people.

:

01:05:28,589 --> 01:05:32,100

The upcoming transition must be

peaceful, democratic, and respectful

:

01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:33,930

of the will of the Venezuelan people.

:

01:05:34,425 --> 01:05:42,075

We wish President Armando Gonzales, CIA

elected in:

:

01:05:42,075 --> 01:05:45,165

transition I'm currently exchanging

with our partners in the region.

:

01:05:45,615 --> 01:05:49,154

France is fully mobilized and vigilant,

including to ensure the safety of its

:

01:05:49,154 --> 01:05:51,375

nationals during these uncertain times.

:

01:05:51,585 --> 01:05:54,165

Basically, happy to see Maduro gone.

:

01:05:54,615 --> 01:05:55,125

All good.

:

01:06:03,195 --> 01:06:06,795

As somebody commented in

response, shameful statement that

:

01:06:06,795 --> 01:06:08,625

reflects mostly your cowardice.

:

01:06:08,654 --> 01:06:13,965

You've been protesting Russia's unlawful

invasion of Ukraine, citing chapter and

:

01:06:13,965 --> 01:06:20,205

verse of international law, but have

not even a mild concern about a lawless

:

01:06:20,205 --> 01:06:22,455

invasion and occupation of Venezuela.

:

01:06:24,015 --> 01:06:25,904

True hypocrisy.

:

01:06:28,455 --> 01:06:33,855

Uh, we've got, um, a coalition

spanning Latin America.

:

01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:38,430

Um, have called for an immediate

release of Venezuela's president.

:

01:06:39,150 --> 01:06:44,819

Signatories include Mexico, Brazil,

Columbia, Chile, Uruguay, and Spain.

:

01:06:45,150 --> 01:06:48,210

They're at least saying bring Maduro back.

:

01:06:49,225 --> 01:06:49,444

Um,

:

01:06:52,235 --> 01:06:52,455

um,

:

01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:56,700

let's see,

:

01:06:59,370 --> 01:07:00,630

what are I saying in the chat room?

:

01:07:01,740 --> 01:07:08,910

Um, it was, Joel says, uh,

actually, hang on, let me see here.

:

01:07:08,940 --> 01:07:09,810

I'll go back a bit.

:

01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:11,069

Um,

:

01:07:15,420 --> 01:07:19,140

um, bear with me a second as I'm

just scrolling through these.

:

01:07:19,620 --> 01:07:20,279

Um,

:

01:07:26,220 --> 01:07:29,100

uh, John, I will laugh if

he gets found innocent.

:

01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:29,520

Uh.

:

01:07:31,170 --> 01:07:34,650

Don't let the john, don't let the facts

get in the way of a good narrative.

:

01:07:35,130 --> 01:07:35,850

Dunno what that means.

:

01:07:35,850 --> 01:07:36,270

John.

:

01:07:36,810 --> 01:07:38,490

Um, Joel Bradley.

:

01:07:38,850 --> 01:07:39,960

Now he's gotten away with it.

:

01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,480

He'll wanna do it

elsewhere, like Greenland.

:

01:07:43,350 --> 01:07:49,350

Um, John says, Matt Bevin did a

good story on Venezuela economy.

:

01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:55,860

Um, yeah, I'm trying

to find that link now.

:

01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:04,020

Um, Indonesia, um, said the US

actions could undermine regional

:

01:08:04,020 --> 01:08:07,650

stability, peace, and the principles

of sovereignty and diplomacy.

:

01:08:09,029 --> 01:08:17,069

Um, Malaysia said such, actions constitute

a clear violation of international

:

01:08:17,069 --> 01:08:21,000

law and amount to an unlawful use of

force against the sovereign state.

:

01:08:21,630 --> 01:08:25,770

President Maduro and his wife must

be released without any undue delay.

:

01:08:26,700 --> 01:08:27,720

Good on you, Malaysia.

:

01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:31,859

See, Albanese it wasn't,

it's not that hard to do it.

:

01:08:34,380 --> 01:08:37,979

Incidentally, I've listened to

Matt Bevin on a, b, c stuff.

:

01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:39,930

I found him quite lightweight.

:

01:08:40,500 --> 01:08:43,680

But anyway, there's a link

there in the show notes.

:

01:08:43,710 --> 01:08:44,460

Oh, well in the chat.

:

01:08:44,490 --> 01:08:45,059

Joe: Mm-hmm.

:

01:08:45,330 --> 01:08:48,149

Trevor: Um, uh,

:

01:08:50,580 --> 01:08:54,870

uh, somebody mentioned Israel just there,

Chris said, I'm sure if you have any

:

01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:57,149

questions, Israel will have an answer.

:

01:08:57,689 --> 01:08:58,290

Um,

:

01:09:01,769 --> 01:09:02,189

yeah.

:

01:09:02,189 --> 01:09:08,160

Somebody said, uh, any country can strike

Israel, go in and Captain Netanyahu

:

01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:11,760

and his wife from their bed based

on the events of the last 24 hours.

:

01:09:13,620 --> 01:09:14,460

Joe: Well, countries

:

01:09:14,460 --> 01:09:15,359

Trevor: have tried, haven't they?

:

01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:16,260

Mm-hmm.

:

01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:20,580

Not for Netanyahu, for others, but mm-hmm.

:

01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:23,189

The shovel.

:

01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:25,484

Um, I.

:

01:09:26,145 --> 01:09:26,984

A headline.

:

01:09:27,255 --> 01:09:30,315

Trump says, us will occupy

Venezuela for as long as it takes

:

01:09:30,315 --> 01:09:31,995

to distract from Epstein files.

:

01:09:32,444 --> 01:09:33,104

Well that too.

:

01:09:33,104 --> 01:09:33,524

Yes.

:

01:09:34,125 --> 01:09:34,725

Yes.

:

01:09:34,845 --> 01:09:39,645

And also from the shovel, FIFA Peace

Prize recipient peacefully starts new war.

:

01:09:39,645 --> 01:09:40,215

Joe: Mm-hmm.

:

01:09:40,850 --> 01:09:41,069

Trevor: Uh,

:

01:09:43,635 --> 01:09:48,585

uh, since coming into office 11

months ago on an anti-war promise,

:

01:09:49,095 --> 01:09:50,835

Trump has bombed seven countries.

:

01:09:52,245 --> 01:09:55,425

Iran, Iraq, Nigeria, Somalia,

Syria, Yemen, Venezuela.

:

01:09:55,875 --> 01:09:55,965

Yeah.

:

01:09:55,965 --> 01:09:57,105

But they were peaceful bombs.

:

01:09:57,945 --> 01:09:58,275

Hmm.

:

01:09:59,235 --> 01:10:01,155

Must have been because he

won that fee for award.

:

01:10:01,725 --> 01:10:06,135

Um, um, what else have I got here?

:

01:10:10,155 --> 01:10:10,785

Um,

:

01:10:15,705 --> 01:10:16,755

Obama was no better.

:

01:10:16,755 --> 01:10:18,730

Actually, no.

:

01:10:18,730 --> 01:10:22,005

In:

:

01:10:22,755 --> 01:10:26,205

Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya,

Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan.

:

01:10:26,385 --> 01:10:32,655

Did, did he promise to end wars

and probably don't they all?

:

01:10:33,825 --> 01:10:34,455

No idea.

:

01:10:35,145 --> 01:10:37,755

When people say, you know,

if only Trump wasn't around,

:

01:10:37,755 --> 01:10:38,925

things would get back to normal.

:

01:10:39,375 --> 01:10:43,184

You do have to remember that Obama

did, uh, bomb selling countries.

:

01:10:43,485 --> 01:10:44,865

Ah, but that is normal.

:

01:10:45,315 --> 01:10:49,755

A Obama was the best right-wing, uh,

president they've had in a long time.

:

01:10:50,235 --> 01:10:50,625

Mm.

:

01:10:52,545 --> 01:10:54,585

Uh oh.

:

01:10:54,585 --> 01:10:57,675

Did you see the hang

ringing about, um, Mandani?

:

01:10:59,145 --> 01:11:01,335

Um, this is the New York mayor.

:

01:11:01,545 --> 01:11:02,625

Yeah, the New York mayor.

:

01:11:02,684 --> 01:11:05,625

Uh, who's only just

been sworn in, I think.

:

01:11:05,835 --> 01:11:06,705

Yes.

:

01:11:07,305 --> 01:11:12,795

Uh, and, and there was an interview

with some old Democrat pundit who

:

01:11:12,795 --> 01:11:16,934

was going, well, of course, you know,

if, if we are going to install these.

:

01:11:18,644 --> 01:11:23,505

Left wing socialists, you know, uh,

we gonna lose the will of the people.

:

01:11:23,835 --> 01:11:27,855

A and, you know, he's talking about this,

but he's, he is gonna run outta money soon

:

01:11:27,855 --> 01:11:31,394

because as soon as he starts taxing the

rich people, they'll move outta New York.

:

01:11:32,205 --> 01:11:32,625

Mm-hmm.

:

01:11:32,625 --> 01:11:38,894

A a and everyone's going, Ani is probably

center right for most of the world.

:

01:11:39,525 --> 01:11:39,855

Mm-hmm.

:

01:11:40,575 --> 01:11:43,665

Uh, what, what he's advocating

for is nothing unusual in

:

01:11:43,665 --> 01:11:47,894

Europe or Canada or Australia.

:

01:11:49,155 --> 01:11:49,724

Yeah.

:

01:11:51,075 --> 01:11:51,795

Communist.

:

01:11:52,365 --> 01:11:53,205

Absolutely.

:

01:11:53,775 --> 01:11:54,165

Mm-hmm.

:

01:11:54,885 --> 01:12:02,445

Well, Joe, um, I reckon that's a bit of a

run through of what's happened personally.

:

01:12:02,474 --> 01:12:04,755

I just think they're a

shameless bunch of gangsters.

:

01:12:04,755 --> 01:12:09,434

They've always been gangsters

previously, they've relied on a

:

01:12:09,434 --> 01:12:11,775

little bit of subterfuge, um mm-hmm.

:

01:12:12,315 --> 01:12:13,905

The CIA, you know.

:

01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:17,430

A color revolution, um,

:

01:12:19,559 --> 01:12:20,340

things like that.

:

01:12:20,340 --> 01:12:23,910

But, and previously they

would've, you know, okay.

:

01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:29,220

Sent in the troops, but done it on the

basis of restoring freedom and democracy.

:

01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:30,420

Well, yes.

:

01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:34,920

Never such an open oil grab is this one.

:

01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:41,100

So I, the, I mean, the fact that they've

just restored his VP or left his VP in

:

01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:47,340

charge just seems like, well if, if Jiro

was corrupt, surely the VP was corrupt.

:

01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:48,420

Yes.

:

01:12:48,510 --> 01:12:52,290

But this one now is, uh, clearly

understands the threat and Well,

:

01:12:52,290 --> 01:12:54,420

yeah, well, hopefully cooperate.

:

01:12:54,540 --> 01:12:58,980

I mean, we're just dealing

with a mafia mob boss now.

:

01:12:59,070 --> 01:12:59,220

Mm-hmm.

:

01:12:59,490 --> 01:13:04,890

Who, um, essentially they've

just, um, taken out a rival and

:

01:13:04,890 --> 01:13:06,510

acquired the rivals territory.

:

01:13:06,809 --> 01:13:09,600

I mean, um, and his first name is Don.

:

01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:10,710

Yes.

:

01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:12,750

And isn't that the honorific for a mafia?

:

01:13:13,380 --> 01:13:13,950

Pulse.

:

01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:15,210

Yes.

:

01:13:15,330 --> 01:13:19,680

And, and the, the former, you know, the

now former second in charge, now new

:

01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:26,190

leader has to sort of, um, pay a tribute

to, um, not have a horse's head in

:

01:13:26,190 --> 01:13:30,630

their bed or, uh, or be dragged off to

maximum security in the United States.

:

01:13:32,340 --> 01:13:36,480

That's kind of where we are at, I think

make him an auditor that he can't diffuse.

:

01:13:36,930 --> 01:13:37,349

Mm-hmm.

:

01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:41,370

Anyway, dear listener, uh, I

didn't go through the whole of

:

01:13:41,370 --> 01:13:43,290

my, uh, initial thoughts bit.

:

01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:49,620

Um, go onto Facebook, have a read of

that, and, uh, and leave your comments

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01:13:49,650 --> 01:13:51,570

amongst the many others that are there.

:

01:13:51,809 --> 01:13:53,580

And, um, yeah, go and

argue with travel there.

:

01:13:54,150 --> 01:13:57,210

Uh, I won't be arguing, I just,

uh, I just put it there and, um,

:

01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:58,559

you can argue amongst yourselves.

:

01:13:58,740 --> 01:14:03,990

So it's, it's way too hard to argue

on Facebook in written format, like,

:

01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:11,580

uh, um, like I would've argued with hu

like, I mean, Hugh's first response was.

:

01:14:12,629 --> 01:14:15,660

So Trevor, your good guys versus

bad guy simplification tensions

:

01:14:15,660 --> 01:14:17,070

against your apparent conclusion.

:

01:14:17,070 --> 01:14:18,179

USA bad guys.

:

01:14:18,179 --> 01:14:19,259

Maduro good guy.

:

01:14:19,379 --> 01:14:20,669

Is that what you really think?

:

01:14:21,269 --> 01:14:23,429

At no point did I say Maduro's a good guy.

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01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,844

So just boom right from the start.

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01:14:26,844 --> 01:14:30,450

Should, should we get a, you

know, the 20 to one, um mm-hmm.

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YouTube videos?

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01:14:32,429 --> 01:14:36,389

Well, you have one person defending a

point and 20 people arguing with them.

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01:14:38,519 --> 01:14:42,750

We'll get you on there and, and

have 20 people, but it just annoys

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01:14:42,750 --> 01:14:46,230

the shit outta me when people put

in your case huge straw manning.

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01:14:46,230 --> 01:14:50,879

Putting, putting towards straw manning,

like, yeah, not nothing that I said.

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01:14:51,450 --> 01:14:54,150

Um, I'm, I'm saying USA, yes.

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01:14:54,209 --> 01:14:54,809

Bad guys.

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01:14:54,809 --> 01:14:56,250

Never said madura a good guy.

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01:14:56,519 --> 01:15:00,209

But, um, uh, what else was it?

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01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:05,250

Um, yeah, I, and I just, by the

time you've clarified even the

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01:15:05,250 --> 01:15:08,400

second line, you imply that USA

wants to control Venezuelan oil.

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01:15:09,525 --> 01:15:10,065

Yeah.

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01:15:10,875 --> 01:15:14,684

Therefore, are you predicting the USA

will seize their reserves permanently?

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01:15:14,690 --> 01:15:20,265

Well, what's it, does it matter And Yes.

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01:15:20,385 --> 01:15:27,255

Uh, well, when you say permanently,

like 20 years, 50 years, you know?

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01:15:27,615 --> 01:15:28,035

Yeah.

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01:15:33,105 --> 01:15:35,295

Um, okay.

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01:15:35,445 --> 01:15:36,915

And he's, he's got another line here.

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01:15:37,665 --> 01:15:41,535

Or will it oversee democratic elections

resulting in a new regime, which

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01:15:41,535 --> 01:15:46,395

will hopefully provide competent

management of these reserves and

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01:15:46,395 --> 01:15:48,345

restore security of oil supply.

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01:15:49,425 --> 01:15:56,475

I mean, I could spend, um, a thousand

words just dealing with that line alone.

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01:15:56,715 --> 01:15:59,955

So restore security of oil supply.

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01:16:00,675 --> 01:16:07,035

Who are the guys running the piracy

racket in disrupting the oil supply?

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01:16:07,090 --> 01:16:07,210

I.

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01:16:08,625 --> 01:16:10,785

Who was a his, you know?

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01:16:11,144 --> 01:16:14,385

So when restoring security of

oil supply, who was the one who

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01:16:14,385 --> 01:16:16,665

disrupted security of oil supply?

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01:16:16,905 --> 01:16:17,955

Well, by sanctioning them.

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01:16:18,015 --> 01:16:18,495

Yes.

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01:16:18,555 --> 01:16:18,915

Yeah.

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01:16:18,915 --> 01:16:23,985

I guess you could say Chavez did when

he, you know, nationalized the oil.

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01:16:24,345 --> 01:16:26,625

But is that what you really wanna say?

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01:16:26,805 --> 01:16:30,375

Um, hopefully provide competent

management of these reserves.

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01:16:30,434 --> 01:16:35,865

Well, again, my point before

was, um, you could be the most

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01:16:35,865 --> 01:16:38,085

competent manager of an economy.

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01:16:38,205 --> 01:16:43,725

You could be insanely and inhumanly

competent, but when the empire decides

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01:16:43,725 --> 01:16:45,735

to screw you with sanctions mm-hmm.

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01:16:46,005 --> 01:16:52,725

You're done for, um, so,

um, you know, I sort of,

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01:16:54,945 --> 01:16:58,545

so what I'm hearing is there's gonna be

a debate between you and here on here.

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01:16:59,144 --> 01:17:03,555

Uh, no, because I've, I've debated you

in the past on Venezuela and I quoted.

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01:17:04,125 --> 01:17:07,515

The un ur and what he found in Venezuela.

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01:17:07,515 --> 01:17:11,325

And he was like, dismissed him out of

hand, said, no, that guy's an idiot.

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01:17:11,325 --> 01:17:12,345

I don't accept what he says.

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01:17:12,434 --> 01:17:16,215

I was like, well, it's a bit like

when, um, I debate with people about,

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01:17:16,275 --> 01:17:19,480

um, cost of energy, Joe mm-hmm.

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01:17:19,695 --> 01:17:20,955

And renewables and stuff.

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01:17:20,955 --> 01:17:26,415

And I say, you know, do we accept, um,

for example, that the C-S-I-R-O figures

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01:17:26,445 --> 01:17:32,655

on cost of electricity, levelized cost of

electricity are a valid starting point?

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01:17:33,285 --> 01:17:36,585

And if somebody says no, then

I go, well, I really can't

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01:17:37,005 --> 01:17:38,295

argue full of communist pinko.

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01:17:38,505 --> 01:17:38,805

You know?

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01:17:39,375 --> 01:17:39,885

That's right.

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01:17:40,245 --> 01:17:44,415

So if we can't sort of agree on basics

like that and there's just no point.

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01:17:46,155 --> 01:17:46,485

Yeah.

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01:17:46,995 --> 01:17:47,355

Anyway.

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01:17:47,835 --> 01:17:48,135

Mm.

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01:17:48,225 --> 01:17:51,975

Um, we'll be back next week, Joe.

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01:17:52,065 --> 01:17:59,505

A whole heap of stuff have happened with,

uh, uh, the Zionist lobby in Australia.

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01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:59,809

Mm.

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01:18:00,190 --> 01:18:00,410

And.

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01:18:01,590 --> 01:18:05,850

What it's been up to in terms of

dealing with our freedom of speech.

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01:18:06,690 --> 01:18:09,960

Um, we've got a lot to catch up on that.

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01:18:10,050 --> 01:18:14,550

Debe has been very vocal about our

internal politics and he can fuck off.

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01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:15,750

Yes.

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01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:16,890

And um,

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01:18:19,860 --> 01:18:22,710

you probably don't know 'cause you

don't read the, the Murdoch press,

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01:18:22,710 --> 01:18:26,265

but they've been busy getting, um,

between them and the Oh, I see.

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01:18:26,265 --> 01:18:27,720

The headlines on Apple News.

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01:18:28,019 --> 01:18:28,440

Okay.

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01:18:28,440 --> 01:18:30,809

Have you heard about them gathering

together all of these business

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01:18:30,809 --> 01:18:32,370

leaders and sporting leaders?

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01:18:33,210 --> 01:18:34,710

No, I hadn't heard that.

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01:18:34,860 --> 01:18:35,010

Oh.

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01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,590

'cause the big thing now is that

they want a Royal Commission

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01:18:37,710 --> 01:18:39,330

into Oh yeah, yeah, I know that.

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01:18:39,420 --> 01:18:39,570

Yeah.

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01:18:39,930 --> 01:18:44,760

So, you know, they get a hundred

business leaders to sign a petition and

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01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:48,660

now they've done the same thing with

like a hundred sporting celebrities.

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01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:53,640

So Grant Hackett, Ian

Thorpe, uh, Dawn Fraser,

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01:18:56,100 --> 01:18:56,580

and.

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01:18:58,290 --> 01:19:02,730

And, and, and they present this as

a legitimate argument as to why.

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01:19:03,210 --> 01:19:03,300

Oh yeah.

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01:19:03,300 --> 01:19:05,970

Albanese must act No, no, no.

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01:19:05,970 --> 01:19:06,660

He needs to go.

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01:19:07,890 --> 01:19:08,610

Well, that's right.

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01:19:08,940 --> 01:19:09,300

Yes.

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01:19:09,870 --> 01:19:10,140

Yeah.

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01:19:10,140 --> 01:19:14,100

He needs to, uh, get a Royal

Commission underway and then

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01:19:14,100 --> 01:19:15,510

fall in his sword and resign.

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01:19:15,690 --> 01:19:16,470

Joe: Yeah, that's a,

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01:19:17,519 --> 01:19:17,790

Trevor: yeah.

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01:19:18,900 --> 01:19:19,350

Yeah.

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01:19:19,470 --> 01:19:21,210

I guess we can talk

about all that next week.

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01:19:21,210 --> 01:19:21,930

Um hmm.

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01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:24,630

Um, yeah.

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01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,290

So, alright, dear listener,

thank you for your attention.

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01:19:28,620 --> 01:19:29,460

Talk to you next week.

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01:19:29,580 --> 01:19:30,420

Bye for now.

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01:19:31,410 --> 01:19:32,490

And that's a good note from him.

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