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Episode 476 - A Special Envoy

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Debating Anti-Semitism: Free Speech, Government Policies, and Social Cohesion

In Episode 476, hosts Trevor and Joe discuss the recent release of the Special Envoy's report on combating antisemitism in Australia. The report, focused on curbing criticism of Israel, sparks debates about control over institutions, government policies, and freedom of speech. The hosts express concerns over the influence of powerful interest groups and the implications of adopting the IHRA definition of antisemitism. They also highlight the contrast between public perceptions of Israel among different age groups and critique the social coherence argument used to justify the report's recommendations. The episode transitions to discussing geopolitical issues, notably Australia's military exports to Israel, and wraps up with a humorous take on America's absence in the Bible.

00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview

01:02 Special Envoy Report on Antisemitism

03:18 Debating the IHRA Definition of Antisemitism

07:15 Comparisons and Criticisms of Israeli Policies

14:28 Generational Differences in Views on Israel

17:18 Educational and Cultural Recommendations

28:16 Critique of the Special Envoy's Plan

33:54 Controversial Donations and Social Cohesion

35:05 Criticism of Israeli Policies and Antisemitism

39:32 Free Speech and Double Standards

41:02 Australia's Military Involvement with the US

46:39 ICE and Immigration Policies in the US

01:00:56 Biblical References and American Politics

01:02:55 Comparing Political Systems: China vs. US

01:04:19 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Transcript
Morgan:

We need to talk about ideas, good ones and bad ones.

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We need to learn stuff about the world.

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We need an honest, intelligent, thought provoking, and entertaining

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review of what the hell happened on this planet in the last seven days.

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We need to sit back and listen to the Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.

Trevor:

Yes, we are back episode 476.

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I'm Trevor.

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AKA the Iron fish Fist.

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Yeah, the Iron fish.

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The Iron fish.

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Special envoy for detecting bullshit at your service.

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Right.

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Joe Evening, the tech guy.

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Joe's over there so, um, no, Scott tonight.

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He couldn't make it.

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It's just the two of us.

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So yeah.

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And we will talk about what happened in the last seven days.

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Most notably is a report which has been released by the special

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envoy to combat antisemitism.

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And we'll be talking about what she had to say and it was essentially she came

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out with a report, which was pretty much Joe, a blueprint for silencing

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descent when it comes to Israel and the genocide that it's, um, shock horror.

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Yeah, so, um, so we'll talk about that and then for a little bit of,

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um, comedic relief towards the end we'll slip over to the United, the

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Disunited states of America to just catch up with the latest craziness

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that's coming outta that country.

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So, uh, so yeah, that's on the agenda.

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Um, if you're in the chat room, I should put that up so I can see it.

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Um, say hello and we'll do our best to incorporate your comments.

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Are you outraged by what's happened?

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So Joe, uh, we were talking about Crohn's disease and other things

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before going to live to air.

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Did you spend much time looking at Jillian Al's, um, report and.

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Do you have any thoughts about it before I launch into it?

Trevor:

No.

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I've

Joe:

seen other things, but not that.

Joe:

Right.

Joe:

Okay.

Trevor:

So, so yeah.

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The Albanese government, in its wisdom decided that we needed a

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special envoy to combat antisemitism.

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Uh, and that is Jillian Siegel Segal.

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And, uh, yeah.

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So she's come out with a report with, uh, recommendations to the government

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about what she thinks to be, needs to be done in this big brown land of ours.

Trevor:

And, um, well, uh, the, the key thing, well, there's various

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things that she's calling for that are just, uh, unacceptable.

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It really is a blueprint for silencing descent.

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It's about, it's about controlling the institutions in Australia.

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I. And forcing them to be silent about, uh, anything that's critical of Israel

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is what it comes down to, and employing government assistance and government

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institutions to achieve that end.

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So, um, so yeah, what she calls for, uh, 2.6 of the report, uh,

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broad adoption of the International Holocaust Remembrance, Alliance's

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working definition of antisemitism.

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She says that's key to distinguishing potentially legitimate critique

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from hate, especially Joe when anti-Zionism masks antisemitism.

Trevor:

So it's a concern, Joe, when her report basically states that sometimes, uh,

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it's anti-Zionism masks anti-Semitism.

Joe:

Well, it can, but I think in the vast majority of cases it doesn't.

Trevor:

Has your microphone changed?

Joe:

No.

Trevor:

Oh, why can't I hear you so well?

Trevor:

Um,

Joe:

no, the volume's up.

Trevor:

You sound, uh, like you're on a different microphone.

Trevor:

Um, so it is.

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There you go.

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As you go.

Trevor:

Yeah, that's better.

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Um, so yeah, anti Zionism can sometimes mask antisemitism apparently, whereas

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I would've thought in most cases it's people just being very specific that

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they're addressing Zionism rather than Semitism in their criticism quite often.

Joe:

Well, yeah, I mean, fuck, Israel is one thing.

Joe:

Fuck.

Joe:

Jews is another.

Trevor:

Indeed it is.

Trevor:

Um, so, uh, where was I?

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Although

Joe:

did you see the high court Supreme Court, the something court ruled that, um,

Joe:

criticizing Israel wasn't antisemitism?

Trevor:

I. Yes, I did see that.

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But she, our special envoy mm-hmm.

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Wants institutions, universities, um, cultural groups, the government, all

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walks of life in Australia to adopt the, um, the definition from the International

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Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.

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And I guess Joe, we'll talk about in as we speak about this, but there are various

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different Jewish groups who have a very different view of absolutely the world.

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And just because you are quoting a group that seems to have a

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connection to the Jewish community doesn't mean that everybody in the

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Jewish community agrees with it.

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And there might be significant numbers who disagree.

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So, um, so just because it comes from the International Holocaust Remembrance

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Alliance doesn't mean, oh, we, well, we just have to accept whatever they say.

Trevor:

Uh, we don't.

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So we've talked about this in the past because there was calls for universities

Trevor:

to adopt this definition of antisemitism.

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I'll read some of it.

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It's not worded very well.

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So the current definition, um, antisemitism is a certain

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perception of Jews which may be expressed as hatred towards Jews.

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Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed towards

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Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and or their property towards Jewish community

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institutions and religious facilities.

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To me, that's a terrible word, salad.

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That's being concocted by a committee of people with no intention of truly

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passing on the meaning of the words.

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Like that is just a collection of words thrown together.

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That doesn't mean a lot, but the, the worrying thing is they say to guide.

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IHRA in its work.

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The following examples may serve as illustrations, and it's in the

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examples of this group of antisemitism that we find things spelled out

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which are of a concern primarily Joe.

Trevor:

Um, it would be antisemitism to draw comparisons of contemporary

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Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

Joe:

Well, I would disagree with that.

Trevor:

Yes.

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I would've thought you could draw comparisons with contemporary Israeli

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policy and, um, that of the Nazis in the persecution of the Palestinians in their

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rounding them up into concentration camps.

Trevor:

Um, I think the comparisons can be made.

Joe:

Yeah, I mean, there are some comparisons of early.

Joe:

Behaviors of the Nazi state.

Joe:

Mm. But, um, they're not forced to display signs in their shop windows.

Joe:

They're not forced to wear badges.

Joe:

Um, they're never gonna be exactly the same.

Joe:

No, exactly.

Joe:

Mm. But, but certainly the forcing, um, all of the Palestinians in Gaza

Joe:

into one small enclave that is cut off from the rest of the world.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

Um, starving them

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in a ghetto like, well, situation,

Joe:

put it, putting them into a ghetto, I think is definitely, uh, a worrying thing.

Trevor:

C certainly you could have a debate where you draw comparisons.

Trevor:

Mm. And you should be able to do that without being called anti-Semitic

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because you are essentially talking about what Israeli policy is.

Trevor:

Yes.

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To the Palestinians

Joe:

and, and not what Jewish people are doing, but what Israelis and

Joe:

specifically the IDF are doing.

Joe:

Correct?

Trevor:

Yep.

Trevor:

Uh, it would also be antisemitic according to them.

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An example would be claiming that the existence of the state of Israel is a

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racist endeavor, the way that they conduct things in the West Bank, for example.

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Um,

Joe:

yeah.

Joe:

I I think it was more that a, a separate nation for the Jewish

Joe:

people is a racist endeavor.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

But I think that's no more racist than a nation for the Italian people or for

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the German people or for the Brits.

Joe:

Uh, you know, the, the idea of Zionism was a, a around against the

Joe:

background of European nationalism

Trevor:

mm-hmm.

Joe:

Of the late 19th, early 20th century.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Also in this, um, guide from the IHRA that our special envoy wants us to adopt

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as the definition of antisemitism in all of our institutions, universities,

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government, uh, law, um, talks about, um, criticism of Israel, similar to

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that, leveled against any other country, cannot be regarded as antisemitic,

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which, which makes sense on the face of it.

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But Joe Israel's doing things that no other country is doing.

Trevor:

So you might want to make criticisms of Israel.

Joe:

Oh, I that are not similar.

Joe:

They're doing similar to Serbia did in the 1990s.

Trevor:

Well,

Joe:

so let's not compare 'em against Nazi Germany.

Joe:

Let's call it compare them against Serbia of the nineties.

Joe:

Oh,

Trevor:

okay.

Trevor:

So, so that sort of criticism would, um, would be similar to that

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leveled against any other country.

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Yeah.

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So that would be okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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We could get away with it then 'cause Yeah.

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So anyway, that's the definition that she wants to adopt of antisemitism.

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And, um, now in her actual, um, um, report that she prepared, uh, since Oct 7th of

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October, 2023, anti antisemitism has risen to deeply troubling levels in Australia.

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And Joe, this is a narrative that is.

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Just sort of accepted amongst different reporters and we've already looked at

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things like the caravan and other things.

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Mm-hmm.

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The attacks on the synagogue often by sort of two bit, um, sort of

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operatives employed by other people who don't seem to have an ideological

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motivation for what they're doing.

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Even the most recent one where there was a, a fire bombing of the door of the

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mm-hmm.

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Synagogue where people were inside by a guy who claims to be

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Iranian, but he really doesn't seem to have any history of being particularly

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politically active in anything.

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So his motivations are not clear at all what he was doing.

Joe:

Um, well, ironically, it's the mosques that there are regular

Joe:

services as far as I understand.

Joe:

Um.

Joe:

Blaming all the evils of the world on Israel and the Jews.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

So I think if there is antisemitism in Australia, it's almost certainly

Joe:

coming from the, um, the mosques.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Could be.

Joe:

Um, because there's a, I dunno, there's, uh, and I dunno how prevalent it

Joe:

is, but certainly there is a, Saudi Arabia funds an awful lot of mosques and imams.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

And they are a particular religious extremism, I would say.

Joe:

They are not the liberal form of, uh, Islam.

Trevor:

It's, it's a wahabi is Yeah.

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Version.

Joe:

And, and whilst the vast majority, I would say of, um,

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Muslims are fairly moderate.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

Um, the people standing up at the pulpit seem to be far brands.

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Of a worrying sort.

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Mm.

Joe:

And so it wouldn't surprise me if there was a level of, uh, antisemitism.

Joe:

A and maybe this guy heard it coming from the pulpit A and acted on it.

Trevor:

Yeah.

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Well, if he was, um, who knows?

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But his motivations and intentions are un unknown.

Joe:

Yeah.

Trevor:

And the sort of incidents that she's relying on in her report.

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Um, uh, like she referred to the firebombing of a childcare center,

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which w was nothing to do with, well, uh, it was adjacent to a synagogue,

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but nothing to do with sort of Jewish, um, uh, operations at all.

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So, um.

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So, yeah, it's, she also quotes some statistics, which we'll get onto

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when I'll talk about that later.

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So,

Joe:

well, that's like Lyle Shelton claiming that people were trying to

Joe:

blow up the ACL when that guy tried to kill himself in the car park at the ACL.

Joe:

It was a coincidence.

Trevor:

Yes, indeed.

Trevor:

So, um, she makes the comment in her report research commissioned by

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the special envoy highlights a stark divide between Australians under 35 and

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those over 35 reflecting generational differences in media consumption and the

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perceptions younger Australians have of the Middle East and the Jewish community.

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So she's very much aware that younger Aussies under 35 are not happy with the

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genocide and, um, a big compar, you know, quite different to the over 30 fives.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

I mean, I certainly know my daughter.

Joe:

I, I, the second World War was in a living generation for me and

Joe:

for you, you know, our parents grandparents fought in the war.

Joe:

Uh, and I don't know that my daughter has met anybody who was involved

Joe:

around during the Second World War.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

You know, for me, particularly growing up in what had been Nazi occupied Britain,

Joe:

um, it, it was very close to home.

Joe:

I, I had close friends who were, uh, deeply involved.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

Um, so it was front of mind and I think possibly, uh, older generations

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are more likely to have little more leeway in terms of behavior.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

But I certainly wouldn't say they'd be condoning genocide.

Joe:

Hmm.

Trevor:

Um.

Trevor:

The, there's, there's certainly a favorable outlook towards

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Israel in the older generation.

Trevor:

Mm. The boomers again,

Joe:

yes.

Trevor:

Compared to the under 30 fives.

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So, uh, it depends on the, in, uh, propaganda they've

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been indoctrinated with.

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So, yeah.

Trevor:

Uh, hello to James and John in the chat.

Trevor:

Right.

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Um, what else did she say in this report, Joe?

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Um, I'm gonna talk about Gramke later on.

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Dunno if you remember, but Gramke was the Italian sort of philosopher who, who

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was really about to change the world.

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You needed to change the institutions, you needed to get control of the institutions.

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And we know with the Christians in their seven mountains mandate that they look

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at the media, uh, education, um, various sort of fields of, of cultural endeavor.

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Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Where you needed to control those institutions to change public opinion.

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And I think that, um, Jillian Segal has read a bit of Ky 'cause she's into

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trying to control the institutions.

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So when it comes to education, uh, key actions that she recommends with

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the support of government, the Envoy will embed Holocaust and antisemitism

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education with appropriate lesson plans in national and state school curricula

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in coordination with government, Catholic and independent school systems.

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Uh,

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the, uh, the Envoy will establish a project to support trusted voices

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to publicly refute antisemitic views, particularly via social

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media platforms in universities.

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She says Universities must adopt the definition of antisemitism that is

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effective in addressing antisemitism.

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Universities must embrace cultural change to end their

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tolerance for antisemitic conduct.

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Some of her key recommendations, actions for universities, Joe the Envoy

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will develop and launch a university report card assessing each university's

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implementation of effective practices and standards to combat antisemitism.

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The Envoy will work with government to enable government funding to be withheld

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where possible from universities, programs or individuals within

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universities that facilitate, enable, or fail to act against antisemitism.

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All public grants provided to university centers, academics or researchers can

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be subject to termination, whether recipient engages in antisemitic

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or otherwise discriminatory or hateful speech or actions.

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And a commission of inquiry into campus antisemitism, including the sources

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of funding for organized clusters of antisemitism should be commissioned

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by the federal government if systemic problems remain in universities by

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the start of the 2026 academic year.

Trevor:

Does that all sound a bit trumpian to you, Joe?

Trevor:

That, that you don't, I dunno, Trump on universities, certain

Joe:

Orwellian?

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

Um, I, I, I can understand a broad task force or whatever tasked with

Joe:

racism in general, that includes antisemitism as part of it.

Joe:

But I don't see one group should be called out as special

Joe:

because that in itself is racist

Trevor:

indeed.

Trevor:

Um,

Joe:

and again, I, I don't have a problem with, I.

Joe:

Uh, a, a segment, a session on, um, genocide in general,

Joe:

being taught to school children.

Joe:

I think that's a very important discussion.

Joe:

And include the Holocaust as part of that

Trevor:

and the Armenian genocide.

Trevor:

Oh, wish I'd learn more about that.

Trevor:

So yeah, add the Armenian,

Joe:

the, the and the Rwanda genocide.

Joe:

The Rwanda genocide, and also the, um, uh, Bosnian massacres, uh, you know,

Joe:

there, there have been a number of them.

Joe:

And you know, why don't we call out the massacre of the Aboriginals in Australia

Joe:

A and the Native Americans in America.

Joe:

Yes.

Trevor:

And throw in the, um, Gaza genocide.

Trevor:

Well, yes, while you're doing the genocide instruction.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

I, I think it would be very good to discuss.

Joe:

I. Uh, where one group of people have been hell bent on wiping

Joe:

out another group of people.

Trevor:

Yep,

Joe:

yep.

Joe:

But to have one particular group say that they're gonna be the arbiters of Yes.

Joe:

I, I, I worry about that.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

Because whilst the Holocaust is important, and we should remember

Joe:

it, there are other genocides that we should equally know about.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

And it's this control of funding and the threat to universities.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

We will withdraw your funding into lecturers and

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programs if you don't comply.

Trevor:

And if you are not controlling antisemitism as we see

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it on campus, so, and,

Joe:

and saying Free Palestine is not antisemitic.

Trevor:

Correct.

Trevor:

But that's what they'll be saying.

Trevor:

Mm. And that's what will be, um, threatening to these academics For sure.

Trevor:

That'd be just like, we can't risk the funding.

Trevor:

We'll just err on the side of, of shutting down this sort of descent.

Joe:

Well, yeah, I mean that's happened quite a lot.

Trevor:

Hmm.

Trevor:

What else did she say?

Trevor:

Online algorithms must be transparent and prevent the amplification of online hate.

Trevor:

So she's recently applauded Elon Musk for, uh, for changing the algorithm

Trevor:

to sort of cut back on anti-Semitic stuff that was appearing on Twitter.

Trevor:

Mind you, sorry.

Trevor:

I was gonna say Grock.

Trevor:

Grock went, grock went feral there.

Trevor:

Went wild at one point.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Started calling itself Hitler or something.

Trevor:

And just Mecca Hitler.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

And suggesting wiping out the Jews.

Joe:

Yes.

Trevor:

Shortly after Elon Musk said, you know, watching out,

Trevor:

there's good things happening.

Trevor:

Much improved rock coming out.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Joe:

We, we've removed the safeguards.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Um, what else does she say about culture?

Trevor:

So similar to universities, um, we're talking about

Trevor:

festivals and things like that.

Trevor:

Include terms in all public funding agreements with cultural institutions

Trevor:

or festivals to allow for the efficient termination of funding.

Trevor:

Where the institution or festival promotes a facilitates or does not deal

Trevor:

effectively with hate or antisemitism.

Trevor:

Don't deal with a Palestinian protestor well enough in Jillian's view, then

Trevor:

you'll lose your funding, you'll lose your deductible gift recipient status as well.

Trevor:

And um, also Joe, the Envoy will work with the publicly funded broadcasters

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to encourage them to develop programs that add to social cohesion.

Trevor:

Social cohesion.

Trevor:

Joe, this was the big mantra from albanese when introducing this envoy.

Trevor:

Was about maintaining social cohesion.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

This, in this special envoy, Joe, I think is wanting to implement a

Trevor:

scheme that would do the exact opposite

Joe:

social Well, I was say social cohesion.

Joe:

I was gonna say I, I'm all for increasing social cohesion.

Joe:

Perhaps stopping the slaughter of Palestines in Gaza would

Joe:

increase so to cohesion.

Joe:

Funny that, yeah.

Joe:

It's a unique take.

Joe:

Perhaps working towards a two-state solution would increase

Joe:

social cohesion, do you think?

Trevor:

Yeah.

Joe:

Do you

Trevor:

think so?

Trevor:

Um, oh, and just like on this publicly funded broadcasters.

Trevor:

So Joe, I don't really watch much of television at all these days.

Trevor:

No, me.

Trevor:

But I could by chance a little bit of, uh, this woman appearing on seven 30 report.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

And she was asked.

Trevor:

Okay.

Trevor:

You've, you've, you've got a problem with the publicly funded broadcaster,

Trevor:

A, B, C. What, what have we done?

Trevor:

Or what changes would you want mm-hmm.

Trevor:

That aren't currently in place?

Trevor:

What, what do you want from the public broadcaster?

Trevor:

Or what, what have we done that's bad?

Trevor:

And she couldn't name one incident or one thing.

Trevor:

She couldn't be specific in any way.

Trevor:

And Sarah Ferguson actually was very good.

Trevor:

Like, I don't like Sarah Ferguson, but on this issue, she was quite

Trevor:

good in really hammering to her.

Trevor:

Come on, give us one example.

Trevor:

I just want something.

Clip:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

This woman couldn't give it, but the next day she was interviewed

Trevor:

on some other a, b, c, um, mornings program or something like that.

Clip:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

And uh, and she was pressed again to talk about, you know, what,

Trevor:

what's the, what's the public broadcaster got wrong in this whole thing?

Trevor:

And she said, well, six months ago there was a, uh.

Trevor:

A bombing of a hospital, which, uh, the a BC reported as being by

Trevor:

Israel, and in fact, it was by Hamas.

Trevor:

And this caused enormous distress.

Trevor:

Uh, let me find the wording here if I can.

Trevor:

Uh, 'cause Yeah, yeah.

Trevor:

Six months ago, uh, she said the a, b, C ran a story repeatedly about a

Trevor:

hospital in Gaza that had been bombed.

Trevor:

And there was incomplete information as there is only perhaps information

Trevor:

emanating from Hamas, but it was alleged to be the A, b, C reported as fact

Trevor:

that it had been bombed by Israel.

Trevor:

And then horrified people were upset and the Jewish community was

Trevor:

looked at with disgust and worse.

Trevor:

And then it turned out indeed, that it was not bombed by Israel, that it

Trevor:

had been from Gaza itself, and it had been a bomb that had fallen short.

Trevor:

Now.

Trevor:

That is not proven at all.

Trevor:

And there's conflicting reports and different groups say in fact it

Trevor:

was a bomb from uh, the Israelis.

Trevor:

But Joe, since that time, well that wasn't six months ago.

Trevor:

It was the start of the conflict.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

And since that time, that particular hospital has been

Trevor:

bombed, guess how many times?

Trevor:

Five eight.

Trevor:

Oh.

Trevor:

Openly bombed.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

By the Israelis.

Trevor:

No mistake.

Joe:

Yeah.

Trevor:

As has every other single hospital Yeah.

Trevor:

In Gaza been bombed.

Trevor:

So this crazy envoy is saying, oh, you know, the A BC made a

Trevor:

terrible mistake in accusing the Israelis of bombing a hospital.

Trevor:

'cause they'd never do a thing like that.

Trevor:

Shock horror.

Trevor:

They'd never do a thing like that.

Trevor:

And we now know they've bombed it at least eight times and the bomb to every other.

Trevor:

Frigging hospital in Gaza.

Trevor:

What planet are we living on, Joe, where, where she can say

Trevor:

that they didn't mean it the first time, and that, that people took that

Trevor:

as true and people were horrified and upset, but she knows that in

Trevor:

fact they have purposefully bombed those hospitals and every other

Trevor:

hospital and university in Castle.

Joe:

Well, I, I think maybe the A, B, C should make a, a public apology

Joe:

saying, look, it's unclear as to who bombed the hospital that time.

Joe:

However, the following seven times, it was definitely the IDF that bombed them.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

Good point.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

For clarification.

Joe:

Yes, for

Trevor:

clarification.

Trevor:

Good point.

Trevor:

They should, yeah.

Trevor:

Uh, what if we back to her plan here?

Trevor:

Um, let me just scroll through this where I was.

Trevor:

I, um, I. Uh, yeah, the university report card culture festivals.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

So I mentioned at the beginning, um, Joe, like Jillian Al, that's

Trevor:

one side of, um, Jewish opinion.

Clip:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Kora, the Jewish community has, uh, various opinions and there's a lady

Trevor:

called Louise Adler, who's a publisher, and she's on the advisory committee

Trevor:

of the Jewish Council of Australia, a community organization representing

Trevor:

non Zionist Australian Jews who support human rights for Palestinians.

Clip:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Some of her credentials, um, in case people think she's not Jewish

Trevor:

enough or not, you know, she's got something against the Jews or something.

Trevor:

Um, born in Melbourne to Jacques and Ruth Adler, Jewish immigrants from Paris,

Trevor:

France, who arrived in Australia in 1949.

Trevor:

Jacques, her father joined the French resistance in World War II after his

Trevor:

own father Simon was rounded up and deported and eventually died at Auschwitz.

Trevor:

And Ruth was taken to France as a 7-year-old by her parents

Trevor:

fleeing from the Nazi Germany.

Trevor:

But her extended family were all murdered in the Holocaust.

Trevor:

So she's got plenty of family history about the Holocaust.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

And she says the special Envoy plan is the latest push to

Trevor:

weaponize antisemitism in Australia.

Trevor:

She's highly critical of it.

Trevor:

She says, one must acknowledge the remarkably effective Jewish community

Trevor:

organizations in Australia behind the latest antisemitism report.

Trevor:

Collectively with their news limited megaphone, they have successfully badged

Trevor:

the government of the day, cowed the A b, C, intimidated vice chancellors and

Trevor:

threatened to defund arts organizations.

Trevor:

Um, she says that Al's previous position as president of the ECAJ, the

Trevor:

Executive Council of Australian jury, jury, um, is an unequivocal advocate

Trevor:

for Israel as the Jewish homeland, which should have made her disqualified

Trevor:

for the role of a special envoy.

Joe:

I agree.

Trevor:

And, um, just getting back to numbers, for example, in the report,

Trevor:

numbers have been cited as to the evidence of an escalation of anti-Semitic

Trevor:

incidents and accuracy isn't paramount.

Trevor:

16 students at Sydney University feeling intimidated by the slogan from the river

Trevor:

to the sea was reframed as 250 complaints.

Trevor:

So there's a lot of dodginess happening with the statistics that

Trevor:

she used to try and justify her claim of an increase in antisemitism.

Trevor:

Um.

Trevor:

This lady Aela says, we do need to insist on contextualizing

Trevor:

these antisemitic attacks.

Trevor:

Some are genuinely antisemitic.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Some are opportunistic byproducts of other unrelated conflicts, and some

Trevor:

are by pro-Palestinian activists.

Trevor:

Um, what else did she say here?

Trevor:

Um, she's critical of the IHRA definition.

Trevor:

Um, she says, the plan says, and this is true in the plan

Trevor:

that Gillian Egal submitted.

Trevor:

She says, the IHRA definition is the key to distinguishing legitimate

Trevor:

criticism from hate, especially when anti-Zionism masks anti-Semitism.

Trevor:

I. Louise Atlas says, there you have it.

Trevor:

So, antisemitism is anti-Zionism and anti-Zionism is antisemitism.

Trevor:

Um, the suite of laws protecting us, there is a suite of laws protecting us

Trevor:

from racism, discrimination, hate speech, and incitement of violence already deeply

Trevor:

embedded in our civil society, which as you mentioned, Joe, we've got laws there.

Trevor:

Yeah, we don't need special ones.

Trevor:

And, um, uh, she says the glaring absence here, a tactical move.

Trevor:

Is the question of Israel and its war on Gaza, as if antisemitism is a particular

Trevor:

problem absent of any connection to Middle East and real politic.

Clip:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

One often repeated concern in the document is that younger

Trevor:

Australians are more susceptible to antisemitism than older generations.

Trevor:

The reason clearly unpalatable to the authors of this document is that younger

Trevor:

media literate Australians recognize the steadfastly uncritical advocacy of

Trevor:

Israel by Australia's Jewish leadership.

Trevor:

Young people see the death and destruction in the occupied territories and cannot

Trevor:

avoid the blindingly obvious connection.

Trevor:

Sometimes, Joe, it just has to be somebody with a Jewish background

Trevor:

like that who says these things.

Trevor:

I. Yeah.

Trevor:

Anybody else

Joe:

says it

Trevor:

and they're just

Joe:

gonna be hammer hammered.

Joe:

She'll get labeled as anti-Semitic.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Joe:

Well, doesn't matter how Jewish you are, you are anti-Semitic.

Trevor:

Well, that's what, um, that, uh, lawyer, Lieber Lieberman, or can't

Trevor:

remember his full name, but mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Um, he was scathing of Jews who he thought weren't, uh,

Trevor:

telling the line appropriately.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Were traitors.

Joe:

Yeah, yeah,

Trevor:

yeah.

Trevor:

Should be seen as a traitor by some.

Trevor:

Meanwhile.

Trevor:

So, Joe, um, uh, Envoy special Envoy, main task antisemitism because,

Trevor:

uh, social cohesion, that was the reason for her original position.

Trevor:

And Joe, her husband, uh, via his, um, trust gave $50,000 to advance Australia.

Trevor:

The political party, Joe Right.

Trevor:

That is interested in kicking anything except anyone who's

Trevor:

not white social cohesion.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Um, advance Australia has previously said of Vote for Labor is endorsed by

Trevor:

the Chinese Communist Party that deal candidates are hidden green politicians

Trevor:

and accused left-leaning politicians of being mostly on the same side as Hamas.

Trevor:

So her husband's, charities donations to a group, um, which you could not

Trevor:

characterize as promoting social cohesion.

Trevor:

No.

Trevor:

Bob Carr, former New South Wales Premier, said, whoa, I'm being told by Gillian

Trevor:

Cigar that if I criticize Israeli land grabs or violence against Palestinians.

Trevor:

I'm talking antisemitism, but her husband's family Trust is funding anti

Trevor:

Palestinian anti-immigrant campaigns in opposition to welcome to Country.

Trevor:

And another commentator said, um, uh,

Trevor:

the most egregious part is that while the husband was financially supporting

Trevor:

the campaign against the Indigenous Voice Department, Al has been appointed the

Trevor:

Zionist voice, liaising with community and suggesting laws, but with zero

Trevor:

accountability or democratic mandate.

Trevor:

Hmm.

Trevor:

Joey?

Trevor:

People are saying, we had a big referendum and indigenous

Trevor:

people were not given the voice.

Trevor:

And somehow this woman, as a special envoy has managed

Trevor:

societal into the halls of power.

Trevor:

And, uh, able to present reports and make these recommendations

Trevor:

and, um, no referendum,

Joe:

uh, without being anti-Semitic.

Joe:

I do think the Israel lobby mm-hmm.

Joe:

It is incredibly powerful in many western nations.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Yes.

Joe:

To, to the point where most governments are unwilling to

Joe:

stand up for what's right because they're worried about upsetting,

Joe:

uh, um, a small but vocal minority.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

Ah,

Trevor:

there's a qc Oh, King's Council now, not Queen's Council.

Trevor:

King's Council,

Joe:

yeah.

Trevor:

Robert Richer, distinguished Melbourne Barrister.

Trevor:

He said, you wonder whose bright idea it was to appoint Gillian Al as.

Trevor:

And Envoy, her position as a former president of ECAJ should have

Trevor:

immediately disqualified her as having the capacity to speak objectively

Trevor:

on the issue of antisemitism.

Trevor:

Because the ECAJ is one of the triumvirate of principle lobbying Jewish

Trevor:

organizations seeking to excuse the Gaza Genocide through its dedication

Trevor:

to conflating criticism of Israeli politics with antisemitism, what could

Trevor:

have possessed elbow to a point appear with, and potentially lead support to

Trevor:

organizations whose functions appear focused on acceptance of war crimes, so

Trevor:

long as they are perpetuated by Jews, the likes of Netanyahu, ve Morich,

Trevor:

the President of Israel, et cetera.

Trevor:

Lemme read that again.

Trevor:

What could have proposed this to point, appear with and potentially

Trevor:

then support organizations.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

On organizations who are accepting those war crimes.

Trevor:

Mm. Um, he says Louisa Adler has brilliantly pinpointed the barefaced

Trevor:

fraud, sought to be perpetrated by Australian people and its government

Trevor:

to get, uh, get to express special pleading rather than look at racism

Trevor:

generally as a source of hate speech and actual incitement of violent.

Trevor:

We don't need special legislative treatment of antisemitism.

Trevor:

The current legal position is adequate.

Trevor:

It says Robert Richter.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

But what would he

Joe:

know?

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

He's only a kc.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

What would he know?

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Um, yeah.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Yep.

Trevor:

There's a group, another group, Joe.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Jews Against Occupation.

Trevor:

They reject her plan.

Trevor:

Fair enough.

Trevor:

Um, what are the highlights here?

Trevor:

I. Cigar did not consult with any of the anti-Zionist Jewish

Trevor:

organizations in Australia when she compiled her action plan.

Trevor:

But why would she 'cause they'd say things she wouldn't want to use.

Trevor:

Exactly.

Joe:

Uh, she's right and she knows it because she says so

Trevor:

yeah.

Trevor:

You really have to admire these Jewish groups that are so, um, you

Trevor:

know, trying to promote the human rights of the, uh, Palestinians.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

And, you know, just within their communities they would be ostracized.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Ah, Joe, free speech Warriors.

Trevor:

There's a lot of 'em about on News Corp.

Clip:

Mm.

Trevor:

And in the, except when it

Joe:

comes to speaking about Palestine.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Like.

Trevor:

Ordinarily if you were to promote some idea that would

Trevor:

restrict free speech mm-hmm.

Trevor:

These people would be jumping up and down about uh, how freedom of speech

Trevor:

is, is our most important thing.

Trevor:

And it Yep.

Trevor:

You can't touch that.

Trevor:

No, no.

Trevor:

And you know, different friends I have on Facebook and whatever would be

Trevor:

always ing on about that sort of stuff.

Trevor:

Not a peep out of them.

Trevor:

About the massive infringement of freedom of speech that's Al's plan

Trevor:

entails not a peep from these people.

Trevor:

'cause they're not about freedom of speech.

Trevor:

It's about, yeah.

Trevor:

Certain people and certain ideologies they want to have free speech and not others.

Trevor:

Yeah, hi to Alison, who's just appeared in the chat room.

Trevor:

Yes, John, I did get your email, um, and I can't remember what it

Trevor:

was about, but I, I think you'd only sent it today, didn't you?

Trevor:

So, uh, might get onto the next episode with that one.

Trevor:

Um, where was I?

Trevor:

So yeah, free Speech Warriors.

Trevor:

Hmm.

Trevor:

Um, what else have I got here?

Trevor:

Meanwhile, Joe.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

So that's enough about Jillian Al, that's a 42 minute rant about Yes.

Trevor:

Meanwhile, Joe, um, according to David Shoebridge, green Senator,

Trevor:

um, Australia has exported F 35 fighter jet parts directly to

Trevor:

Israel as recently as this week.

Trevor:

Yeah, I'm sure.

Trevor:

So, uh, we are helping them conduct their genocide by supplying parts.

Trevor:

We could easily say no, but that would require some moral, some.

Joe:

Oh.

Joe:

But yeah, Israel has the right to defend itself.

Joe:

We, we have to supply them with parts for their defense.

Trevor:

Mm.

Trevor:

Meanwhile, the real hate speech, hate speech epidemic in, I'm really

Trevor:

skipping over my words today, Joe.

Trevor:

The real hate speech epidemic is the anti-China McCarthys rantings

Trevor:

of our media, including the A, B, C.

Trevor:

I just shake my head as I read different news sources these days, particularly

Trevor:

the A, B, C, with just the way they just will give a report and they'll

Trevor:

talk matter of factly about the increasingly belligerent Chinese and

Trevor:

their increasing their military power and, and their aggressive stance and.

Trevor:

And their threatening postures and, and all the rest of it.

Trevor:

And, um,

Trevor:

uh, that's, that is the epidemic of hate speech that's happening in this country,

Trevor:

which is being conducted by the Murdoch Enterprises in particular, sky News.

Trevor:

Um, so what have we got here?

Trevor:

Um,

Joe:

yeah,

Trevor:

that's the one, uh, quickly, Joe Orus.

Trevor:

So the Pentagon via Elbridge Colby, the US undersecretary of defense is

Trevor:

urging Japan and Australia to clarify what role they would play if the US

Trevor:

and China went to war over Taiwan.

Trevor:

So he's been pushing.

Trevor:

Japan and Australia.

Trevor:

Come on, you are gonna confirm that you're gonna join us if

Trevor:

we go into a fight over Taiwan.

Trevor:

According to, um, the newspaper Financial Times, uh, it caught the

Trevor:

Tokyo and Canberra officials off guard as the US does not offer a blank

Trevor:

check guarantee to defend Taiwan.

Trevor:

So

Trevor:

the US was wanting us to provide a blank check guarantee to defend Taiwan.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Without them actually offering one.

Trevor:

Um, at the same time, they're leading a review of the nuclear submarine deal.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Where they're basically saying, yeah, yeah, of course.

Trevor:

If it looks like we just can't give you these submarines when we

Trevor:

just, we can't give them to you.

Trevor:

Like if we need them for our own purposes, you're just not gonna get any.

Trevor:

So

Joe:

I, I suggest we agree to commit the same proportion of resources that

Joe:

we have as they commit to any future, uh, joint, uh, defense endeavor.

Trevor:

Well, so if they,

Joe:

if they commit 5% of their army, we'll commit 5% of our army to what?

Joe:

To whatever.

Trevor:

Why would we do that?

Trevor:

Why would we agree to tag to

Joe:

Well, but, um, if, if so, as long as they agree to do the same for any

Joe:

conflict we're involved in, right.

Trevor:

I don't wanna be in a, in an agreement with the Americans to

Trevor:

join them in wars 'cause they're the ones always going to war.

Trevor:

Well, we don't wanna be in that deal.

Trevor:

We wanna make a commitment.

Trevor:

You know, one article

Joe:

five of the UN has only been invoked once.

Joe:

Which one was Article five?

Joe:

Article five is an attack on one country is an attack on all countries.

Joe:

Right.

Joe:

When was that?

Joe:

It's a mutual defense pact.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

Uh, it was invoked by the US after September the 11th for

Joe:

their invasion of Afghanistan.

Trevor:

Uh, okay.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

So no Joe, I don't wanna be involved in any, uh, deal with the US 'cause

Trevor:

they'll just drag us into conflicts that they get involved in and

Trevor:

they do that at a drop of a hat.

Trevor:

Um,

Trevor:

yeah.

Trevor:

So as Rex Patrick said, unless Australia commits to standing beside

Trevor:

it's unreliable coercive trade partner in a war against China, the US won't

Trevor:

commit to handing over the orcus nuclear subs that it can't actually deliver.

Trevor:

Anyway, have I got that right?

Trevor:

The other thing, Joe, with, I think Joe with the subs is part of the

Trevor:

deal is we put a. Aussie sailors.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Submariners in these subs in American subs as part of training.

Trevor:

And if they go to war with China, we'll have Aussie submariners in these subs

Joe:

at risk.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

Yes.

Trevor:

And you know, I don't think they're gonna stop somewhere to let these

Trevor:

guys off on the nearest deserted island.

Joe:

They're just gonna be Well, no.

Joe:

'cause they'll be part of the battle crew, so they can't.

Joe:

Yes.

Trevor:

Yeah, indeed.

Trevor:

Joe, over to the crazy disunited states of America.

Trevor:

Ice immigrations and Customs enforcement.

Trevor:

Um,

Trevor:

immigration and customs enforcement sounds like a, uh, typical

Trevor:

bureaucracy on the face of it.

Trevor:

But they're essentially masked Gestapo, thugs pointing, loaded,

Trevor:

loaded weapons at people, Joe,

Joe:

and have a larger budget than the Russian army.

Trevor:

It's, um, these guys are masked.

Trevor:

They, they're getting around as if they were SAS troops in a have just repelled

Trevor:

out of a helicopter in a Afghanistan, and they're walking the streets of

Trevor:

America, rounding up Mexicans from, uh, restaurants and crop fields and stuff.

Joe:

Not just, um, not just Mexicans.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

Americans as well.

Joe:

Yes,

Trevor:

Americans as well.

Trevor:

You know, the problem for the American, the real Americans,

Trevor:

Joe, is that they won't have a, uh, a farmer who can advocate.

Trevor:

For their little boy.

Trevor:

Like we were in the last week, we talked about, um, Trump was saying, well, of

Trevor:

course if you've been working on the farm and you've been a good boy for

Trevor:

14 years, the farmer could advocate for you and you might be able to stay.

Trevor:

The, the owner could advocate.

Trevor:

Yeah, the owner.

Trevor:

Yes, that's right.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

I'll just play a clip, which is probably not great audio wise, but for the

Trevor:

people watching just get a load of the military style of this, and it's in fact

Trevor:

reporters that they're pointing guns at,

Trump:

Hey back.

Trump:

No,

Clip:

not me, dude.

Clip:

Not fucking me.

Clip:

Come on, man.

Clip:

On the fucking press.

Clip:

I get to fucking, why are even aiming that shit at me?

Clip:

I'm like, not fucking threat's back.

Clip:

That is a Stu grenade.

Clip:

Are you serious right now?

Clip:

Maybe you guys should just go ahead and record me, bro.

Clip:

This is me.

Clip:

This is my job.

Clip:

You're not gonna intimidate me.

Clip:

Still have a fucking.

Trevor:

The masks and the carry on Joe.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

Uh, they are completely above the law.

Joe:

They think

Joe:

I I'm, you remember when that there was that video of them shooting,

Joe:

deliberately shooting at Unarmed Press?

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

I, I'm

Joe:

honestly surprised that nobody decided to take pot

Joe:

shots of those officers.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

Because that was completely unwarranted.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

And if you've got a second, a second amendment that you claim

Joe:

you need to protect you against the tyrannical government, where the

Joe:

fuck are the Second Amendment people?

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Well, can we rely on Donald Trump to sort things out?

Trevor:

Can you sort out the mess that he created?

Trevor:

This is one of his truths, Joe.

Trevor:

Um.

Trevor:

I'm on my way back from Texas and watched in disbelief as thugs were violently

Trevor:

throwing rocks and bricks at ice offices while they were moving down a roadway

Trevor:

in their car and or official vehicle.

Trevor:

Tremendous damage was done to these brand new vehicles.

Trevor:

I know for a fact that these officers are having a hard time with allowing

Trevor:

this to happen in that it shows such total disrespect for law and order.

Trevor:

Therefore, I am directing Secretary of Homeland Security.

Trevor:

Christy No.

Trevor:

And Borders Za Tom Herman to instruct All Ice Homeland Security or any other

Trevor:

law enforcement officer who is on the receiving end of throwing rocks,

Trevor:

bricks, or any other form of assault to stop their car and arrest these

Trevor:

in capital letters, slime balls using whatever means is necessary to do so.

Trevor:

I am giving total authorization for ICE to protect itself, just

Trevor:

like they protect the public.

Trevor:

I never wanna see a car carrying a law enforcement officer attacked

Trevor:

again in capital letters, the authorization immediately granted

Trevor:

for arrest and incarceration.

Trevor:

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Joe:

Well, they don't protect the average citizens, so they

Joe:

shouldn't protect themselves.

Trevor:

Do you know anyone planning a trip to the United States as a tourist?

Trevor:

Are they, are they mag around?

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

I, I know someone

Joe:

who had their flights canceled and they've rebooked.

Trevor:

Wow.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

And I have no idea what they're thinking.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Uh.

Trevor:

There was a flood over there in Texas.

Trevor:

Did you see that flash flood?

Joe:

Yeah, of course I did.

Joe:

Mm. Um, it was a Christian bible camp on the banks of a river that's

Joe:

built in a floodplain that apparently they lobbied to have removed

Joe:

from the flood map to probably to reduce their insurance premiums.

Trevor:

Here we go.

Joe:

Uh, uh, if you saw the speed the water came up, though, it

Joe:

was literally, uh, uh, three, four meters in three minutes.

Joe:

It was incredible.

Joe:

The speed.

Trevor:

Ah, I've got a description for what it was like.

Trevor:

Joe Biblical from the dear leader himself.

Trevor:

Here we go.

Trump:

Pete.

Trump:

There's one story that, uh, one person said it had to be 60 feet at one moment.

Trump:

This is like a giant, giant wave in the Pacific Ocean that the best surfers

Trump:

in the world would be afraid to surf.

Trevor:

Ah, there we go.

Trevor:

Joe.

Trevor:

A giant, giant wave,

Trevor:

a tsunami.

Trevor:

His command of English is so poor where, you know, a giant, giant wave.

Trevor:

Not just a giant wave Joe, but a giant, giant wave.

Trevor:

The best surfers in the world.

Trevor:

A bigly one even.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Hang on, I'm back to long screen.

Trevor:

Uh, that even the best surf in the world would be afraid to surf.

Trevor:

That tells you, does they conjure up an image?

Trevor:

'cause on a small one, they might have considered being there in the flash flood

Trevor:

and having a surf, but not that one.

Trevor:

It's too peak.

Trevor:

No,

Trevor:

uh, yeah.

Trevor:

Um,

Trevor:

there was, um.

Trevor:

There's new Superman moving out, Joe.

Joe:

Oh, yeah.

Joe:

Um, apparently it's woke.

Joe:

I did see a nice meme that showed, uh, how Superman had gone

Joe:

at woke according to Fox News.

Joe:

And then the photo was Superman marching.

Joe:

A couple of clan men,

Trevor:

the White House, uh, on their, um, ex account, put out a

Trevor:

image which was basically Donald Trump superimposed as Superman

Trevor:

Truth, justice in the American Way.

Trevor:

And yeah, a Trump presidency.

Trevor:

And it was just a picture of Donald Trump as, as Superman.

Joe:

Well, apparently Superman has, uh, renounced his American citizenship

Joe:

because the American way is no longer the human way, and it's now

Joe:

truth, justice and the human way.

Trevor:

Oh, is that what it said in the movie?

Trevor:

No,

Joe:

no.

Joe:

Apparently the comics did this a few years back.

Joe:

Oh.

Joe:

Uh, but I believe it's been repeated in or him revoking his American

Joe:

citizenship was in the current film.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

I was a bit naughty with some friends of mine the other day at a dinner party.

Trevor:

Um, that's unlike you.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

And the good friends, they was just talking about, um, they were gonna

Trevor:

go and watch the latest Superman movie and I just obviously had a look

Trevor:

on my face, which was unimpressed.

Trevor:

I just think movie.

Trevor:

I haven't been to the cinema in so long 'cause the whole cinema experience

Trevor:

seems to be dominated by Marvel super hero stuff for the last 20 years.

Trevor:

And um, and I sort of poo-pooed the idea of watching a superhero movie.

Trevor:

And they said, don't you like comics?

Trevor:

I was like, well, I did when I was 12, you know?

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Bit naughty.

Trevor:

Anyway, um,

Joe:

sorry.

Joe:

When I was a child, I spoke lo of child.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Sorry Sam, you're probably not listening to this, but, uh,

Joe:

yeah, just the only one I can be bothered with is, um, Deadpool, and

Joe:

that's because he's just so sarcastic and, and completely, uh, irreverent.

Joe:

Right.

Trevor:

Okay.

Trevor:

That sounds like something I'm okay for as well.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

We've previously talked about allocator Alcatraz, so this is, uh,

Trevor:

a prison that they've knocked up quickly to hold the people that ice.

Trevor:

Arresting,

Joe:

it's a tent city in the middle of hurricane's, um, alley

Joe:

just before hurricane season.

Trevor:

So, you know, America claims to be, you know, the leaders of

Trevor:

the free world and upholding the greatest standards of civilization.

Trevor:

And this is how they treat people who have not been subjected to any form of trial.

Trevor:

They've just been scooped off the streets by the thugs that you saw

Trevor:

in the clip before the last one.

Trevor:

And this is what, um, yeah.

Trevor:

Who is this person?

Trevor:

This is, um, um, I think Debbie Waserman Schultz, who toured Alligator Alcatraz.

Trevor:

Um, she might be a Democratic rep, I think.

Trevor:

Um, so, uh, anyway, how did she describe.

Trevor:

Alligator Alcatraz.

Clip:

Let's be clear.

Clip:

Throughout this entire tour, it was repeated over and over that the state

Clip:

is working hand in Glove with ice.

Clip:

This facility was inspected by ice.

Clip:

They review their detention standards.

Clip:

They are using cages.

Clip:

These detainees are living in cages.

Clip:

I, I, the, the, the pictures that you've seen don't do it justice.

Clip:

They are essentially packed into cages, wall to wall,

Clip:

humans, 32 detainees per cage.

Clip:

That is the only thing.

Clip:

Inside those cages are the bunk.

Clip:

There are bunk beds and there are three tiny toilets that are toilet units.

Clip:

That have a sink attached to it.

Clip:

So they essentially drink that.

Clip:

They get their drinking water and they brush their teeth where

Clip:

they poop in the same unit there.

Clip:

They bragged that they went above standards supposedly, and gave them a

Clip:

three foot privacy wall that stretches the length inside the 32 detainee cage.

Clip:

A three foot privacy wall that stretches the length of the three toilets in a row.

Clip:

The showers provide no privacy at all.

Clip:

There are no curtains on it.

Clip:

It's a big open shower unit.

Clip:

There are, you know, small walls in each, in each shower.

Clip:

But you know, we're talking about all 900 men who are held

Clip:

in this, in this facility.

Clip:

It is built currently for a thousand, and they have no privacy at all when,

Clip:

uh, when they're showering for meals.

Clip:

When we walked through the quote unquote meal prep area, the kitchen

Clip:

area, for lack of a better term.

Clip:

The portion, they, they had the portions that were available for detainees

Clip:

and they had the portions that were available for employees being prepared.

Clip:

At the same time, the, the portions available for employees, large

Clip:

pieces of roast chicken, large sausages, and the detainees.

Clip:

Lunches were a small, you know, Turkey and cheese to gray, Turkey

Clip:

and cheese sandwich and apple and chips and, and, and that's it.

Clip:

I'm talking, we're talking about fully grown men being

Clip:

fed very small portions when I,

Joe:

you know, yeah, well, you wouldn't wanna pay money to feed these people.

Joe:

They're illegal immigrants

Trevor:

sort of behavior that they are accusing China of.

Trevor:

Mm. And ly committing this behavior.

Trevor:

You know, while all this is happening where people are finding it, why

Trevor:

would you ever go to America?

Trevor:

Uh, China's opened up, um, visa free access to a huge range of countries.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

So there's enormous number of tourists now entering China, and it's a fantastic PR

Trevor:

exercise for China because these people and a lot of sort of, um, vloggers and

Trevor:

social influences are rocking over there and having a great time saying the place

Trevor:

is clean, civilized, organized, and um, so there's a lot of, again, in that under

Trevor:

30 fives news space, a lot of positive stories about China and how it's treating

Trevor:

its tourists as opposed to the negative stories in the United States where they're

Trevor:

arresting people because they don't have.

Trevor:

Uh, the correct accommodation book to something, then there's a suspicion

Trevor:

that a German backpacker might want to overstay their welcome, and so

Trevor:

they're getting turned around and

Joe:

mm-hmm.

Trevor:

And stuff like that.

Trevor:

So completely different stories happening, um, happening that way.

Trevor:

And, um, Joe, just for a final laugh to finish off with mm-hmm.

Trevor:

A bit of levity, Joe, have you ever wondered why America is

Trevor:

not mentioned in the Bible?

Trevor:

Uh, because it didn't exist?

Trevor:

Uh, I think there's more of a conspiracy to it, Joe.

Trevor:

Oh, there's, there's something more to it.

Trevor:

Um, Marjorie Taylor Green, let's just see what she had to say when

Trevor:

she appeared on this guy's show.

MTG:

America, if, if you've read Revelations is not in Revelations.

MTG:

Yeah.

MTG:

And nobody, America, if you've read Revelations, is not in Revelations.

Joe:

Yeah.

MTG:

And nobody wants to talk about that.

MTG:

And we need to say, why is America not in Revelations?

MTG:

And I think we could come up with all kinds of theories, but I know

MTG:

for a fact it's not in there.

Clip:

Yeah.

Clip:

America is not in the Bible for the same reason that Ford F1

Clip:

fifties are not in the Bible.

Clip:

He was Jesus of Nazareth, not Jesus of North Dakota.

Clip:

He was born in Bethlehem, not Boise, Idaho.

Clip:

He called himself the king of the Jews, not the king of New Jersey.

MTG:

And he was given that entire vision and and shown all of that.

MTG:

He wasn't shown America.

MTG:

So there's a clear reason and we don't know why, but

Clip:

I was gonna point out the contradiction between, there's

Clip:

a clear reason and we don't know why, but I'm still trying to

Clip:

get past America in the Bible.

Clip:

I swear.

Clip:

If you ask these people to name all the original 13 colonies, one

Clip:

of them would probably be Israel because like America in the Bible.

Trevor:

Well, yes.

Trevor:

I got a positive note to, um, finish on Joe.

Trevor:

That's a fun positive note,

Joe:

right?

Joe:

Uh, yeah, well, I mean, uh, the Bible is better in English because that's

Joe:

the language of the Jesus spoke.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

He wrote the King David tr uh, that's the King David Jesus,

Joe:

uh, the King James Bible.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

I'm gonna get onto this book that I read.

Trevor:

Uh, I don't have it handy, but

Joe:

Idiots of America.

Trevor:

Uh, no.

Trevor:

It was examining the political system in China compared to the political system in

Trevor:

the us ah, and describing the experience that, uh, people had to go through to

Trevor:

rise through the ranks of the, um, of the party and to get to positions of power.

Trevor:

Um, whether you agree with the system or not, it's.

Trevor:

You have a lot of experience in public administration.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

By the time you reach the upper echelons in Chinese government and, and you just

Trevor:

don't make beginner mistakes and you're not stupid because to get your way there,

Trevor:

you have to have some smarts about you.

Trevor:

And, um, even someone, well once

Joe:

recently, uh, people in government had a lot of experience in the us

Joe:

it's only the Trump administration that's decided to go through with

Joe:

a broom and sweep out anyone with any experience to put Lucky's in.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Well, yes, but the level of experience, uh, is quite extraordinary.

Trevor:

So that will come up in a future episode at some stage, so.

Trevor:

Right.

Trevor:

Okay.

Trevor:

Well there we go.

Trevor:

At least we ended on a positive humorous note.

Trevor:

Right.

Trevor:

That one.

Trevor:

You can contemplate that one.

Trevor:

Dear listener, why wasn't America mentioned in Revelation and uh,

Joe:

well, apparently was it, uh, the Mormons believe that the Garden of

Joe:

Eden is somewhere in the United States?

Trevor:

Of course it would be.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

And of course, Jesus having left Israel, went to America with a

Joe:

group of white people and settled.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

You're talking Mormonism.

Joe:

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

There's, there's some incredible stories in Mormonism.

Trevor:

Mm. Alright.

Trevor:

Good night, Alison.

Trevor:

Good night everybody.

Trevor:

We will talk to you next week.

Trevor:

Bye for now.

Joe:

And it's a good note from him.

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