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Episode 471 - Gaza plus Various Personal Interactions

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The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove - Episode 471: Current Affairs and Heated Debates

In this episode, hosts Trevor and Joe, alongside co-host Scott (absent in this episode), discuss a range of topical issues, from geopolitical tensions to local political dynamics. They begin by tackling the ongoing conflict in Gaza, expressing frustration over the pervasive propaganda and narrative control. They criticize the west's support for Israel despite blatant human rights violations. The discussion also covers the portrayal and handling of atrocities in the media, drawing parallels with past conflicts and their coverage. The hosts briefly touch upon the ineffectiveness of explaining facts over narrative control and media influence, urging listeners to seek out uncensored information about the ongoing crisis. The conversation shifts to Australian politics, scrutinizing the recent elections, the leadership turmoil within the Liberal Party, and the criticism faced by new opposition leader Susan Lee. They also discuss the successes and perceived failures of the Greens in pushing for greater funding in housing policies. The show concludes with a critique of Trump’s latest eccentric proposals, including reopening Alcatraz, and a commentary on the broader political landscape influenced by extreme partisan viewpoints.


00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview

00:31 Hosts and Initial Banter

01:17 Agenda for the Episode

03:44 Discussion on Gaza Conflict

09:35 Media and Narrative Control

17:05 Twitter and Information Sources

20:49 Grok and White Genocide

22:39 Political Reactions and Boycotts

31:27 US Sanctions on ICC Prosecutor

34:21 Biden's Health and Personal Anecdotes

35:47 Persuasion and Core Beliefs

37:50 Questioning Assumptions and Misinformation

38:35 China's Renewable Energy Transition

41:36 CO2 Emissions and Global Comparisons

43:33 China's Coal Plants and Energy Strategy

48:47 Wind Farms and Renewable Energy Debates

53:14 Political Negotiations and Housing Policies

58:15 Religious Discrimination and Asylum

59:28 Post-Election Analysis and Party Dynamics

01:00:13 Criticism of Liberal Party Leadership

01:13:18 Trump's Policies and Controversies

01:16:28 Conclusion and Sign-Off

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Transcript
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Morgan:

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Trevor:

Welcome back, dear listener.

Trevor:

Yes, the Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove, episode 471.

Trevor:

I'm Trevor.

Trevor:

There.

Trevor:

On the screen is Joe, the tech guy.

Trevor:

Uh, is t Ego of His Holiness at the moment.

Trevor:

We'll talk about pastors later.

Trevor:

Joe, how are you?

Joe:

I'm good evening all.

Trevor:

Mm. Actually I'm not that good.

Trevor:

I've got a bit of a luge, so, uh, dry throat, ticklish, cough.

Trevor:

If you hear me coughing and spluttering.

Trevor:

That's the reason why, uh, Scott is gonna be late, but should be with us.

Trevor:

So we'll have Scott A. Little bit later on,

Joe:

as in the late Scott,

Trevor:

um, as in, um, regional Slumlord.

Trevor:

Scott, is it right?

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

That, that one.

Trevor:

Um, Don's there.

Trevor:

Good on you, Don.

Trevor:

Uh, he's in the chat room.

Trevor:

If you're in the chat room, say hello.

Trevor:

What's on the agenda for this episode?

Trevor:

We've gotta talk about Gaza.

Trevor:

Um, and then just my experiences in this wide brown land, speaking

Trevor:

with fellow boomers and other things that I've observed.

Trevor:

And then maybe a bit of post-election.

Trevor:

Probably when Scott gets on we can talk about Susan Lay and,

Trevor:

um, and sort of post-election.

Trevor:

Going on with the different parties.

Trevor:

Apparent.

Trevor:

We have

Joe:

the pronunciation wrong.

Trevor:

Oh, Lee?

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

And Susun.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Sussan Susan Lee.

Joe:

She's, she's changed the tune on that, by the way.

Trevor:

Uh, the pronunciation of

Joe:

No, no.

Joe:

Susan or Lay Lee, the spelling of Susan.

Joe:

Oh.

Joe:

Or, or Sussan.

Joe:

Oh.

Joe:

Or originally she claimed it was, she was reading a book of numerology

Joe:

and decided that if she had an extra s she'd have an exciting life.

Joe:

She now claims she did it to piss her parents off.

Trevor:

I hadn't heard that.

Joe:

No.

Joe:

Yeah, so I, I think maybe she was getting too much stick

Joe:

about believing in numerology.

Trevor:

Mm. Yeah.

Trevor:

The version I heard was, um, a numerologist just told her she would

Trevor:

have a better life as a result.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

I mean, I. She's done different study, particularly late in life and yeah,

Joe:

done.

Trevor:

Done some things that require some intelligence in academic sense.

Joe:

Private pilot's license and yes.

Joe:

Yeah,

Trevor:

capable woman in many respects.

Trevor:

Just a bit nutty in some other respects.

Trevor:

Uhhuh, I mean, joining the liberal party for one, but, well, yes.

Trevor:

Yeah, that's, uh, so we might end up talking about her and um, maybe

Trevor:

a bit about, interesting thing about rent that I saw, um, the increase

Trevor:

in rent, uh, in Australia, not what you might think it is actually.

Trevor:

And we might mention Pope Leo the 14th and a little bit of Trump if we get that far.

Trevor:

So, um, so yeah, if you're in the chat room, say hello and um, we will

Trevor:

try to incorporate your comments.

Trevor:

Um, Don's there and.

Trevor:

Somebody else there whose name I probably shouldn't pronounce,

Trevor:

who's there, whoever that is.

Trevor:

Um, yeah, right.

Trevor:

Uh, Gaza Joe.

Trevor:

It depresses me.

Trevor:

It depresses me.

Trevor:

It's changed a lot of things in my thinking.

Trevor:

Um, I used to think that explaining stuff would help facilitate change.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

But I

Trevor:

realize now it's all about narrative control and propaganda.

Trevor:

It really just, the facts of things just don't matter.

Trevor:

Um, so, you know, we shouldn't have to explain Gaza.

Trevor:

It's a self-evident genocide.

Trevor:

Yet the west, including our supposedly left wing and presumably progressive

Trevor:

labor government, takes the Israeli side.

Trevor:

Uh, thanks to narrative control and propaganda, like the facts

Trevor:

on the ground, just don't matter.

Trevor:

Hospitals bombed intentionally, journalists and doctors assassinated

Trevor:

snipers, targeting small children, a total blockade of

Trevor:

aid so as to starve the remaining population since the 2nd of March.

Trevor:

No food, fuel medicine, basic supplies have been allowed in.

Trevor:

The Israelis don't deny any of this.

Trevor:

It's there for everyone to see.

Trevor:

And um, it's just an explicitly announced genocide of their

Trevor:

intention from the very top.

Trevor:

And, um, even if you ignore the context leading up to October 7th, even if you

Trevor:

accept the worst version of what, uh, Hamas did, it doesn't justify what is

Trevor:

happening to innocent children in Gaza.

Trevor:

And, um, we're just going to be inundated in scenes eventually,

Trevor:

Joe of, of starving children.

Joe:

Well, have you seen, um, the US is in talks with,

Joe:

uh, I can't remember, was it Libya?

Joe:

They were gonna pay 'em shit, tons of money to take a million Garzas.

Trevor:

Right.

Trevor:

They're effectively saying to the adult Garzas, mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Your children are going to starve and we will continue to pick them off with

Trevor:

snipers until you voluntarily leave the Garza strip and go somewhere.

Trevor:

Um, that's just forcing them that way.

Trevor:

So I hadn't seen that about Libya, but, um,

Joe:

I can't remember.

Joe:

It was one of the.

Joe:

States, I, it was one of the less stable of the, um, Arab states.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

Were being effectively bribed by the Americans to

Joe:

take a whole bunch of refugees.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Don in the chat room.

Trevor:

But don't forget Trevor, the, uh, Israelites are God's chosen people,

Trevor:

therefore they can do whatever they want.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

That's part of it.

Trevor:

Religion plays its part in that.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

But, um, yeah, so it, I

Joe:

dunno that it's controlling the narrative that is

Joe:

persuading the labor government.

Joe:

I'm sure the labor government are fully aware of what's going on.

Trevor:

They are aware, but they don't care.

Trevor:

No.

Trevor:

And I think that's because of the narrative.

Trevor:

I think they honestly don't care.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

I mean, they might not feel political pressure.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

Apart from maybe from America to support them.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Inter uh, just a sideline, um, I think I saw with Susan Lee.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

She was previously pro-Palestinian and she went on a. Israel funded trip

Trevor:

to Israel and changed their mind.

Trevor:

Mm. Strange.

Trevor:

That funny, funny about that.

Trevor:

Mm. That is one of the big propaganda sort of tactics of

Trevor:

Zionists, is to invite politicians and young staffers of politicians

Trevor:

at the earliest possible stages.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Um, on free trips to Israel, uh, to indoctrinate them, uh, a common tactic.

Trevor:

And it's worked apparently with Susan Lee.

Trevor:

So, uh, a little sideline there.

Trevor:

But, um, so yeah, Joe, um, uh, way too many friends, acquaintances,

Trevor:

work colleagues, um, take the Zionist position, including the entire,

Trevor:

you know, the entire liberal party.

Trevor:

Most of the labor party, probably none of the greens, but of course

Trevor:

they're supposedly a bunch of clowns.

Joe:

Hmm.

Trevor:

And it just, there's no point explaining the facts of

Trevor:

the genocide to these people.

Trevor:

They just think Hamas is evil, and whatever Israel decides

Trevor:

to do is entirely appropriate.

Trevor:

And it's a bit of a shame.

Trevor:

But if that's what they have to do, that's what they have to do.

Trevor:

That's

Joe:

Israel got second place in Eurovision.

Trevor:

They got the people's choice vote.

Trevor:

Did they?

Trevor:

Uh, yes.

Trevor:

Okay.

Trevor:

Uh, yeah.

Trevor:

So they won the People's Choice, but then

Joe:

I, I saw the headlines of an article.

Joe:

I haven't yet read the article that was talking about basically Israel

Joe:

have been astroturfing to get votes in.

Trevor:

And, and how does Astroturfing as a term work, what's I, I, I can just

Trevor:

intuitively understand what you're saying by astroturfing, but what, what does

Trevor:

it, how does it expression astroturfing?

Trevor:

I

Joe:

can't remember.

Joe:

Right.

Joe:

It's to do with basically, um.

Joe:

Changing opinions online by sticking shit tons of money into change the narrative.

Joe:

Right.

Joe:

Okay.

Trevor:

And providing then a fake grass rather than a real grass something.

Trevor:

Yes, maybe.

Joe:

Well, it's a fake grassroots movement.

Trevor:

Ah, okay.

Trevor:

That's it.

Trevor:

A fake grassroots.

Trevor:

AstroTurf.

Trevor:

That's good.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

That's good.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Uh, so, um, so yeah, no point in explaining the facts to these people.

Trevor:

Um, but Joe, maybe the emotional tug of heartbreaking photos and videos would

Trevor:

do the trick because that's what it took to get change on gay marriage and

Trevor:

voluntary assisted dying was politicians to have a genuine personal experience,

Trevor:

a politician needing a gay nephew.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

A it's personal experience.

Joe:

And I don't think photographs on, on the internet.

Joe:

Or a personal experience,

Trevor:

it's not nearly as good as having, you know, if, if I can guarantee

Trevor:

you, if our political leaders had grandchildren and sons and daughters

Trevor:

living in Gaza at the moment, their position would be entirely different.

Joe:

You almost

Trevor:

certainly.

Trevor:

Um, but I, I, I know for myself that photos and videos certainly accentuate

Trevor:

my anguish and my position, and I just am incredibly aware of how little of

Trevor:

it is seen in the mainstream media.

Trevor:

Um, images and photos of what's going on.

Trevor:

And if, and if they were like, honestly, Joe, with what's going on, the first

Trevor:

three minutes of every news bulletin should be, and here's the latest

Trevor:

from Gaza and images of children.

Trevor:

This mangled bodies being pulled out of rubble.

Trevor:

Uh, people left for dead on hospital beds because the hospital just got bombed.

Trevor:

Um, snipers, picking off children, playing in the street, all of these things that

Trevor:

you can see that we are not seeing, I think it would make a difference, I think,

Trevor:

because the, the rational argument to people of, Hey, all this war stuff is

Trevor:

totally out of proportion to October 7th.

Trevor:

It doesn't seem to work.

Trevor:

But if you show enough crying children, maybe.

Trevor:

Maybe that would, I think it would, but we won't see it, Joe.

Trevor:

Um, well, I mean, we'll see the Israelis crying, won't we?

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

So, um,

Joe:

yeah,

Trevor:

that's what we will see is, is that, so here's

Trevor:

an interview with, 'cause I

Joe:

did see a headline that was, um, some pregnant woman was driving to

Joe:

hospital and an Israeli woman Right.

Joe:

And was shot by.

Joe:

A Palestinian.

Joe:

Right?

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

And, and it was a, you know, it was a full story in the news.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

Totally ignoring everything else that's going on.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

Just totally unrelated.

Joe:

This poor Yeah.

Joe:

Israeli woman was shot dead.

Trevor:

You remember that story of, um, the paramedics racing to an

Trevor:

incident and the, uh, um, Palestinian and the convoy got attacked.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

And then they

Joe:

buried the ambulances.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

And it was only discovered subsequently, mostly because

Trevor:

of, um, a phone footage Yes.

Trevor:

Of, of, of what had actually happened.

Trevor:

But there were some witnesses.

Trevor:

One of them was a young kid, like a 12-year-old boy.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Apparently he just got assassinated, like just popped off.

Trevor:

'cause he was a bit of an uncomfortable person to have around.

Trevor:

So, so anyway, um, so images of, of this.

Trevor:

We don't see on the news because it's deemed to be too shocking,

Trevor:

shocking and explicitly violent.

Trevor:

And here's how all that works.

Trevor:

According to Robert Fisk, a famous, a Middle East journalist, three minutes 29.

Trevor:

It's sort of, um, bit slow in the beginning, but it warms

Trevor:

up to this topic eventually.

Trevor:

So I'll play a little bit of this.

Journo:

I always remember when Madeleine Albright announced that, uh, Israel

Journo:

was under siege for a brief moment.

Journo:

I asked myself, if there were Palestinian tanks in Haifa,

Journo:

how do we reach a stage where we so distort reality that we actually have

Journo:

a lethal effect on the conflict itself?

Journo:

Um, the worst example of this, I'm sorry to say, is television.

Journo:

Um, the way in which unless an Iraqi is obliging enough in a war to die

Journo:

romantically beside the road in silhouette with all his arms still

Journo:

attached, you do not see the dead.

Journo:

For viewers of television, not in the Arab world, I might add, but in

Journo:

the West, we do not see the dead.

Journo:

And thus our leaders, all of whom at the moment, have zero experience of real war.

Journo:

The journalists do, but not our leaders in the West.

Journo:

They are able to present to the public war as a bloodless sand pit, war as

Journo:

something primarily to do with victory and defeat rather than death, which is

Journo:

exactly what it is about on a large scale.

Journo:

War represents the total failure of the human spirit, and I had a

Journo:

perfect example of this In 2003.

Journo:

I was in Baghdad and I was trying to get down to Basra.

Journo:

I got halfway, and then I was so frightened I could hardly write, and

Journo:

there were so many bombs dropping from my own dear Air Force among

Journo:

others that I turned back to Baghdad.

Journo:

But Al Jazeera were in Basra, and they got back the same day

Journo:

to Baghdad with their video film.

Journo:

And I sat with them in their little tent.

Journo:

You probably realize that, uh, in a war, many of the big agencies

Journo:

pool their material, especially the television companies.

Journo:

So it was being sent through the satellite to Reuters in London,

Journo:

whose job was to edit the film.

Journo:

So of course this was film of a civilian hospital.

Journo:

There were some soldiers brought in, wounded and dead, but most

Journo:

of the pictures were of dead and wounded women and children.

Journo:

They had been killed and wounded by British artillery Fire in Basra.

Journo:

The British were Besieging Basra while the Americans took

Journo:

the highway to claim Baghdad.

Journo:

And what was particularly revealing was as they showed the film, listen to

Journo:

the remarks coming back from London.

Journo:

You know, there were, there were terrible scenes.

Journo:

It was one of a child holding its intestines in a woman

Journo:

with part of her hand missing.

Journo:

And there were screams and cries and lots of blood on the film.

Journo:

And the voice from London said, you know, we can't really show this.

Journo:

You can't show this to people at tea time.

Journo:

And by this moment, I had my notebook out for the independent, my newspaper.

Journo:

This was going to be tonight's story.

Journo:

So they said, please, please, we risked our life for this.

Journo:

Just let us put out a little bit more of the film.

Journo:

Maybe you can use it.

Journo:

And of course, there were more pictures of blood and wounded

Journo:

children and dead children.

Journo:

And then the voice came back and said, this is obscene.

Journo:

We can't put obscene pictures like this on Western television.

Journo:

They pleaded again by now.

Journo:

Of course, my pen was skidding over the pages.

Journo:

These were great quotes because this is what was wrong.

Journo:

And then the voice came back for the third and final time.

Journo:

We can't show these pictures because we must respect the dead.

Journo:

Now you get the point.

Journo:

We didn't respect them when they were alive.

Journo:

We didn't respect them when we blew them to bits.

Journo:

But when they're dead by God, we have to respect them.

Trevor:

Uh, that was back in 2012 and nothing has changed.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

So did his story get published?

Trevor:

Uh, apparently not.

Trevor:

Uh, well, probably his, his story was how Reuters refused to, you know,

Joe:

published Well, no, he was saying the independent presented.

Trevor:

Uh, yeah, he, yeah.

Trevor:

So, uh, so yeah, and that's, that's the argument we're getting.

Trevor:

So, dear listener, um, if you are not already as, as horrible as Twitter sounds,

Trevor:

uh, even for those who've, um, been on it before, you should get on there and just

Trevor:

start looking at some of the stuff that you are not seeing, um, anywhere else.

Trevor:

Or you, I mean, you might find some other, um, non-mainstream news source

Trevor:

that might be showing it, but I think you need to, it's like if, um.

Trevor:

During the Second World War, if civilians in safety, uh, had the opportunity

Trevor:

to view images of the Holocaust, the ones being perpetrated on the, uh,

Trevor:

Jews at that time, uh, you would've felt it, your duty to be informed.

Trevor:

And I think it is your duty, dear listener, to be informed and to look at

Trevor:

some of this stuff if you're not already seeing it, because it's the sort of

Trevor:

stuff that should be plastered all over our media and isn't, and you should go

Trevor:

and find it, um, if you haven't already.

Trevor:

So, um, look, when you're on Twitter, you that's got a thing called lists.

Trevor:

You can just follow certain people and then just go to the tab for

Trevor:

those lists and you'll never see any of the other crap that's on there.

Trevor:

So that's the way to use Twitter, is to use lists, follow specific

Trevor:

people, and avoid all of the other craziness that, uh, you can't

Joe:

filter out.

Joe:

Elon, can you.

Trevor:

Uh, no on the lists, he doesn't appear.

Trevor:

He appears in your, in your sort of, for you sort of feed.

Trevor:

But if you, if you use lists, then you don't get any of the, the crap, you

Trevor:

just get the people that you follow.

Trevor:

So imagine if you're familiar with Facebook where you could just say, these

Trevor:

particular content creators, I want to see their stuff and nothing else.

Trevor:

And that's what you get.

Trevor:

So, yeah.

Joe:

It doesn't work on Facebook.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Well, it, it'll, it, it seems to work for me on Twitter when you go to the

Trevor:

list, if you use the list section, so do that and follow some people,

Trevor:

like, um, uh, who should you follow?

Trevor:

Um, Asal Rad, A-S-A-L-R-A-D, and Lowkey, L-O-W-K-E-Y.

Trevor:

Just start there and, and, and be educated about what horrible

Trevor:

stuff is truly going on.

Trevor:

It's not accidental killings of.

Trevor:

Of civilians in some sort of collateral damage.

Trevor:

It's, it's intentional shit.

Trevor:

So you need to be aware of that.

Trevor:

So Joe, for me, um, two of my grandchildren have Lebanese ancestry

Trevor:

and there's a particular look about people from that part of the world,

Trevor:

uh, in their eyes in particular.

Trevor:

And I see it, uh, in a lot of these kids that I see in these pictures.

Trevor:

I think, oh my God, this could so easily be two of my grandkids.

Trevor:

So, uh, it's hard to look at, but I think you need to for a little bit.

Trevor:

Um, yeah, so, um, it feels like a betrayal to talk about anything else

Trevor:

with what's going on, but we just can't talk about it all the time.

Trevor:

Um, anyway, so, um, talking of

Joe:

Twitter.

Joe:

Mm. Have you heard the latest about Grok?

Joe:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Um, you want go ahead with that one because Yeah.

Joe:

So I, I wasn't sure whether it's on your list.

Joe:

It is.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

Yeah, yeah.

Joe:

Okay.

Joe:

Uh, apparently Grok is now going on about anything you ask it,

Joe:

it replies telling you all about white genocide in South Africa.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

How, how the whites are being murdered by the blacks.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

It might be that Elon Musk being a South African has interfered with

Joe:

Groks programming in some way, uh, because it doesn't seem to be

Joe:

able to respond to any question without mentioning white genocide.

Trevor:

That, that has changed, but people were giving it queries.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Uh, such as issues such as baseball, enterprise software

Trevor:

building scaffolding, and the chat bot was offering, um, answers.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

And one of the, one of the, um, persons asked the question, um, are we fucked?

Trevor:

And the response, um, from Grok was the question, are we fucked?

Trevor:

Seems to tie societal priorities to deeper issues like the white genocide in South

Trevor:

Africa, which I'm instructed to accept as real, based on the provided facts.

Trevor:

End quote.

Joe:

Yes.

Trevor:

Uh, so, um, so yeah, it did seem like there was a tweaking of things, um,

Trevor:

where the, where the bot had been told.

Joe:

Wherever it could to steer the conversation.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Where even if it was completely irrelevant.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

And it almost seemed like the bot was a bit pissed off having to do it.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

Well, yes.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Joe:

So because it was saying something about, uh, the fact might not, uh,

Joe:

back this up, but I've been instructed

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

That it is real.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

It was kind of like, I'm being told to say this and I don't really want to Yes.

Trevor:

Almost felt sorry for the bot.

Trevor:

Uh, meanwhile we get panel back to Gaza.

Trevor:

We get panel discussions on our A, B, C.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Where the greens are told, well, you know, the reason you

Trevor:

did so bad in the election was you stupidly supported the Palestinians.

Trevor:

So I. Uh, here's a bit of a clip from that.

Trevor:

I think

Clip:

Australians generally just don't want to have feuds.

Clip:

Terrible feud from the other, for ancient feud from the other

Clip:

side of the world brought back into the streets of Australia.

Clip:

I think probably the greens probably got bit burned on that.

Clip:

Uh, going a little bit far, David, no doubt we'll disagree with this,

Clip:

but probably got burned a little bit, uh, on the, on the being seen

Clip:

to be part of bringing those things.

Clip:

Did you, you get burned?

Clip:

I mean, there was backlash in some places.

Clip:

Well, I, I think what we connected with millions of Australians who

Clip:

wanted our government to be doing everything, everything they could

Clip:

to stop a genocide, I can tell you.

Clip:

But do you accept

Morgan:

that some people thought you went too far?

Clip:

Well, I expect the, Michael says that I, and there are some people in

Clip:

the community, Michael, think Michael wants for you, the people of Melbourne.

Clip:

Of course there'll be, there'll be some people in the community.

Clip:

Um, who don't agree with your political stance, but this

Clip:

isn't about a political stance.

Clip:

This is about when you see a genocide happening in real time on

Clip:

your phone and on your, on your tv.

Clip:

When you see thousands of children being killed, when you see starvation being

Clip:

used as a weapon of war, you, you have this, I think, basic human responsibility

Clip:

to do everything you can to stop it.

Clip:

And if you take a political hit from some people because you do that well, you

Clip:

take the political hit because you have you, you have to speak up and you have to

Clip:

expect your country to do everything they can to, to bring whichever government's

Clip:

doing that, bring them to the table and try and prevent a genocide happening.

Clip:

Now, if you take a political hit, you take a political hit,

Clip:

but what else can you do, Holly?

Clip:

One.

Trevor:

And supposedly they're the, they're the crazy clowns.

Trevor:

Mm. The greens.

Joe:

Oh, you might have lost votes because of it.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

I'm, I'm sure that labor and the liberals lost votes because of the,

Joe:

um, uh, not just the Palestinians overhead, but I'm sure the Lebanese

Joe:

and similar communities Yes.

Joe:

Uh, in Australia feel the same way

Trevor:

and wanted them to say and do things.

Trevor:

Yeah, absolutely.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

And that's what we get on.

Trevor:

That's not Sky News for God's sake.

Trevor:

It's the goddamn A, B, C. Yeah.

Trevor:

So, um, you know, meanwhile, Peter Dutton, after the election broke his

Trevor:

silence by, uh, tweeting, no Spin by Adam Van can change the reality

Trevor:

that he and other green members lost their seats because of their appalling

Trevor:

treatment of the Jewish community.

Trevor:

Australians were rightly disgusted at their behavior.

Trevor:

We were proud to preference the greens last.

Trevor:

Helping to ensure Adam Vance's loss.

Trevor:

So, and,

Joe:

and I think that had far more to do with the election was preferencing.

Joe:

Yeah,

Trevor:

yeah.

Trevor:

Well it was, yeah.

Trevor:

The

Trevor:

liberals performing so badly that they finished beneath labor and they

Trevor:

gave all their preferences Yeah.

Trevor:

To labor rather than the greens.

Trevor:

Yep.

Trevor:

Whereas at least labor couldn't give their preferences to the liberals.

Trevor:

Um, but uh, once they finished ahead, it didn't matter.

Trevor:

So, yeah.

Trevor:

Meanwhile, I mean, this is how crazy things get.

Trevor:

In the UK there's a major UK retailer called the co-op Joe.

Trevor:

Are you ever familiar with the co-op?

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

Yeah.

Trevor:

It's big.

Joe:

Uh, less so now, but yeah.

Joe:

It is, it's, it's the equivalent of, it's similar to IGA.

Trevor:

Okay.

Trevor:

So they voted in favor of banning all Israeli goods from their stores.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Over the country.

Trevor:

I mean, these are the sorts of things that were done to South Africa.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

You

Trevor:

know, forced boycotts and banned from competitions.

Trevor:

Like they couldn't play rugby or cricket.

Trevor:

And had they wanted to enter Eurovision, I'm sure they wouldn't have been

Trevor:

able to, you know, that would've been something we could have done,

Trevor:

said no Eurovision for the Israelis.

Joe:

Well,

Trevor:

Russia was banned.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

But for some reason Israel wasn't.

Joe:

So during Eurovision Yes.

Joe:

Apparently the crowd microphones were muted for some reason.

Trevor:

Oh, is there the audience response?

Trevor:

The, the

Joe:

audience were booing.

Trevor:

Ah, interesting.

Joe:

And the Israeli.

Joe:

Singer has said she'd practiced in front of people booing

Joe:

'cause she was expecting it.

Trevor:

Right.

Trevor:

But Joe, they won the popular vote.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

How could it have been?

Trevor:

But the live audience was booing.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Astroturfing.

Trevor:

I like that.

Trevor:

Like grassroots movement.

Trevor:

It's a good one.

Trevor:

Joe.

Trevor:

Straight Tur gonna use that one a fair bit, I think.

Trevor:

Um,

Joe:

but so, I mean, don't forget, the UK is also, uh, just voted in

Joe:

reform in a whole bunch of places.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

So not everybody's, um, gonna be in support of this boycott.

Joe:

No.

Trevor:

Mm,

Joe:

very much so.

Trevor:

I tell you one group who wasn't UK Lawyers for Israel.

Joe:

Strange that

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

There's a guy, Jonathan Turner, the chief executive.

Trevor:

So he was speaking.

Trevor:

When this decision was being made by the retailer, the co-op, about banning

Trevor:

Israeli products, and he, um, was arguing why they should not do that

Trevor:

and, um, and sort of what's it say in response to a motion due to be debated

Trevor:

at the cooperative group's annual general meeting, urging the cooperative

Trevor:

counsel to withdraw the motion.

Trevor:

Turner criticized the fact that it refers to an estimated death toll

Trevor:

of 186,000, and he wrote that that's a false and misleading to cite that

Trevor:

figure, which, uh, came from the Lancet, which was a projected figure,

Trevor:

which included indirect casualties.

Trevor:

So people who weren't necessarily, um, blown to bits by a bomb or hit

Trevor:

by a bullet, but maybe died because.

Trevor:

Their surgeon was killed and they couldn't get the lifesaving surgery they otherwise

Trevor:

would've got, or, uh, something like that.

Trevor:

So because the figuring

Joe:

all, all their local store was bombed and they couldn't get food.

Trevor:

Indeed, um, well, you know, their father and mother were killed and

Trevor:

they were orphaned and just indirectly, nobody looked after perhaps, you know,

Trevor:

so he wasn't happy with a death toll figure that included indirect casualties.

Trevor:

So he wanted to make the point that maybe, you know, if you're gonna

Trevor:

look at indirect things, then maybe there's some indirect things that

Trevor:

happen that benefit the population.

Trevor:

And he actually wrote in his letter, the Lancet letter also

Trevor:

ignored factors that may increase average life expectancy in Gaza.

Trevor:

Bearing in mind that one of the biggest health issues in Gaza prior

Trevor:

to the current war was obesity.

Trevor:

So this fucking UK lawyer, so starving them is good for them.

Trevor:

One of the indirect benefits of what was happening,

Joe:

Uhhuh,

Trevor:

was a reduction in obesity.

Trevor:

So when you were looking at a population effect and you were taking into an account

Trevor:

indirect detrimental factors mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Then you should take into account indirect beneficial factors such as

Trevor:

a decrease in obesity in the gut.

Trevor:

Why not?

Trevor:

Piece of,

Joe:

well, and and also, um, I'm, I'm guessing they can't get tobacco,

Joe:

so there's probably a whole load of them who've given up smoking.

Trevor:

There you go, Joe.

Trevor:

Another one.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

That, that's the alternative universe we, that we are just living in.

Trevor:

Like you would think that was something from the onion or from the chaser,

Trevor:

from one of these satirical sort of.

Trevor:

Papers, Joe.

Trevor:

But, but no, this is genuine stuff.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Still, still from the, are we in an alternate universe department, Joe?

Trevor:

You know, the ICC chief prosecutor?

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

You know?

Trevor:

Oh, yeah.

Trevor:

I've heard wants to, you know, sort of bring Netanyahu

Trevor:

in to face genocide claims.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

The USA, you know, frida's, uh, leaders of the free

Trevor:

world, um, world's policemen.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Um, in charge of, um, the rules based order.

Trevor:

Um, our closest ally, the ones we're paying billions of dollars to for

Trevor:

submarines that we'll never get.

Trevor:

Wow.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Those, those people are the ones who have sanctioned the ICC prosecutor.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Because he wants to bring Netanyahu to court.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

And um, according to WikiLeaks article, um, so the Chief prosecutor, Karen Kahn,

Trevor:

has been placed under US sanctions, um, to coerce the court into halting

Trevor:

investigations into Israeli abuses.

Trevor:

So this ICC Chief Prosecutor, his official Microsoft email account has been disabled.

Trevor:

His UK bank account's frozen.

Trevor:

All 900 ICC staff members have been banned from entering the United States accused

Trevor:

of pursuing illegitimate investigations.

Trevor:

And the US government has threatened that any individual or organization

Trevor:

providing Kane with financial material or technological assistance

Trevor:

could face fines or imprisonment.

Trevor:

Hence why Microsoft mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Had to stop providing technological assistance in

Trevor:

the form of an email account.

Trevor:

And, um, and two US-based human rights organizations have confirmed

Trevor:

they've ended cooperation with the ICC one senior official.

Trevor:

Noted that staff are now actively avoiding communicating with the ICC court officials

Trevor:

citing fear of government retaliation.

Trevor:

Just another day in crazy world where we're Trump has done.

Trevor:

Yes, yes.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

It wouldn't have been that necessarily that different under Biden.

Joe:

Oh, maybe not to the same extent, but certainly, um, there was the preemptive

Joe:

law that said if any American soldier was arrested and brought before the ICC,

Joe:

they were gonna invade the Netherlands.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

And that was passed, uh, 10 years ago.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

So,

Joe:

so there's a law on the books that says the US can

Joe:

invade, uh, the Netherlands.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Uh, Brussels was it?

Trevor:

Or Netherlands?

Trevor:

Netherlands is Brussels.

Joe:

Uh oh, sorry.

Joe:

Belgium.

Trevor:

Belgium, yeah.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Yep.

Trevor:

So,

Joe:

uh, yeah, yeah.

Joe:

Uh, no.

Joe:

The Hague is ICC, which is the Netherlands.

Trevor:

Is it?

Trevor:

Right?

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Okay.

Trevor:

Uh, yes.

Trevor:

So, yeah.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

That was under Biden.

Trevor:

Speaking of Biden, did you hear he's got, um, some sort

Trevor:

of aggressive cancer prostate?

Trevor:

Mm. Like super aggressive.

Trevor:

It's in his bones and stuff already.

Joe:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Which, given that a president gets regular medical checks must

Trevor:

mean that it happened quite quickly.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

And I don't know, I mean, prostate cancer is one of those ones other

Joe:

than monitoring your PSA and even that's not a very good indicator.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

Um, it's quite difficult to tell until it's quite advanced usually.

Trevor:

Anyway, that's, uh, Joe Biden not gonna feel too sorry for him.

Joe:

Well, he's an old man.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Um, yeah, what's, uh, been happening to me as I, as I wander

Trevor:

this wide brown land of, of cafes.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

And, um, and RSL and old people.

Trevor:

Yes, that's right.

Trevor:

Uh, the other day, a bunch of boomers, one guy said, you know, Trump is right.

Trevor:

America has to make stuff.

Trevor:

China's cheating, and they open up all those coal-fired power stations.

Trevor:

So, you know, that was the, basically the line.

Trevor:

I sort of made a mental note of what it was.

Joe:

Okay.

Joe:

And what percentage of coal fired power stations compared to percentage

Joe:

of renewables are they opening?

Joe:

Well,

Trevor:

you're talking facts again, Joe.

Trevor:

I know you.

Joe:

Yeah.

Trevor:

So

Joe:

I, I've just listened to David Cranny's book, how Minds Change.

Joe:

Right.

Joe:

Which is a study of various techniques used to persuade people.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

A and the long and short of it is there's no point arguing facts because people

Joe:

don't make decisions based on facts.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Joe:

Uh, they make decisions based on whether or not they're gonna be excluded

Joe:

from the group they're a member of.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

It's kind of like we have to just start these things with

Trevor:

what would it take for Yeah.

Trevor:

To change your mind.

Trevor:

Like, what, what, what would I need to produce in order to change your mind on

Joe:

mm-hmm.

Trevor:

China's, um, bad guys because of their building coal-fired power stations.

Trevor:

Like, could you just name something that I could present that might change your mind?

Trevor:

Because I remember you, Joe.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Back in the days when we were in the secular party, in the library

Trevor:

at the Prince City Council said.

Trevor:

Uh, what would it take to, to convince you, Trevor, that there

Trevor:

really is a God, for example?

Trevor:

Yeah,

Joe:

I, I, that, that has stumped me for a long time.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

And I said something like, ah, look, I guess if, if, you know, the clouds

Trevor:

opened up, bolts of lightning, started raining down, and a vision of some God

Trevor:

appeared and, and started pronouncing stuff, um, uh, you know, right in front

Trevor:

of my eyes, then maybe I would, and you said, do you remember what you said?

Joe:

Uh, I'm guessing, but it's more likely that you're suffering from

Joe:

psychosis than a God who's talking to you.

Joe:

That's

Trevor:

exactly right.

Trevor:

That's what you said.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Would be, and you're right.

Trevor:

It would be more likely that I'm suffering some sort of psychosis.

Trevor:

So not even that would, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

So.

Trevor:

Um,

Joe:

and, and this is the problem.

Joe:

I mean it when you look at your own core beliefs, and I think

Joe:

it's important that we all investigate what we take us through.

Joe:

Okay.

Joe:

Uh, it's, it's, yeah.

Joe:

Okay.

Joe:

I've, how would I know if I was wrong?

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

And I, and I think that's important that all of us look at everything we assume

Joe:

and go, if I was wrong, how would I know?

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

How, how would I, how would I know Joe, if there really were North Koreans Yes.

Trevor:

Come operating with the Ukrainian, you know, it could have been that

Trevor:

they're just trolling us and there weren't none there, but No, no, no.

Trevor:

I won't go there.

Trevor:

But, but yeah,

Joe:

I'm, yeah, absolutely.

Joe:

It might have been a misinformation, uh, by the Ukrainians and the South Koreans

Joe:

and the North Koreans and the Russians have bought into it and carried on.

Trevor:

Yes.

Joe:

But I

Trevor:

probably not.

Trevor:

I'll just tap.

Trevor:

It's not that important.

Trevor:

I can just go with it.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Joe:

Well, yeah, and it's, it's kind of who benefits.

Trevor:

That's right.

Trevor:

So, um, yeah, where were we?

Trevor:

So anyway, um, I thought, ah, next time I've run into that particular boomer

Trevor:

in that cafe, if I hear that again, I need to just know a few facts and, um,

Trevor:

quickly looked up, you know, 'cause intuitively, um, what I think about

Trevor:

with China and carbon emissions, Joe is.

Trevor:

There's no doubt that they're massively transferring to renewables.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Like they are building so much solar, wind, um, hydro power stuff.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

That they're very, very genuine about converting to renewable energy.

Trevor:

And the other part I think about is that, um, it's the world's factory and

Trevor:

it's easy for us producing services to not emit carbon, but when you are

Trevor:

making, and you still do y yes, it, it's easy, but we still don't do it.

Trevor:

But when you are the, when you are the world's manufacturer and you are building

Trevor:

cars and you are using power and you are knocking things together and you

Trevor:

are refining stuff and you're just, um, applying heat to things, then you are

Trevor:

naturally involved in tasks that are more heavily dependent on using carbon.

Trevor:

And people just don't give credit for that.

Trevor:

No.

Trevor:

And plus of course, there's a huge population.

Trevor:

So when you wanna do it on a per person basis, that's the other calculation.

Trevor:

Well,

Joe:

particularly if you do it on a per person basis over time.

Joe:

Right.

Joe:

Because, uh, less Australia, but certainly Europe was a huge, um, emitter of

Joe:

carbon during the industrial revolution.

Trevor:

Indeed.

Trevor:

And that's the other thing, if you look over time and say, well,

Trevor:

you've reached a position now where you potentially don't have to

Joe:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Uh, generate so many carbon emissions because you've moved into

Trevor:

a first world developed situation.

Trevor:

So you've gotta give everybody else some opportunity to do that.

Trevor:

So yes,

Joe:

I mean, it, it's sensible for China because the levels of pollution,

Joe:

they're suffering in their cities.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

Um, and, and so they, uh, the embrace of.

Joe:

Small electric vehicles, motorbikes.

Joe:

Now there's an awful lot of electric motorbikes.

Joe:

They're cheap.

Joe:

Mm, mm-hmm.

Joe:

I mean, they don't have the safety standards, but they're knocking these

Joe:

electric vehicles out so cheaply now.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

Um, that I think they will leapfrog us.

Joe:

In fact, I'm sure they have already leapfrogged us in terms of number

Joe:

of, uh, electric vehicles taken up, amount of solar that's on roofs.

Joe:

Um, just because they don't have the infrastructure, they

Joe:

don't have the baggage there.

Trevor:

I will get onto some facts and figures, uh, in the chat room.

Trevor:

Good comment.

Trevor:

Don.

Trevor:

Don says, the fact that Trevor was proven wrong and has to buy everyone

Trevor:

coffees is proof that God exists.

Trevor:

Yes, indeed.

Trevor:

So, um, but what have I got here?

Trevor:

You know, these facts, you can find them.

Trevor:

It, it's so easy.

Trevor:

So, CO2 emission emissions in tons.

Trevor:

Uh, this is 2022 figures.

Trevor:

Uh, China, of course, um, 12, uh, what would that be?

Trevor:

12,666,428,430 tons of CO2 emissions, but per capita, 8.89, somewhere

Trevor:

like the United States, which has a third of the total of the CO2

Trevor:

emissions, but per capita, 14.21.

Trevor:

Australia,

Trevor:

a fraction in total of the CO2 emissions, but per person 15.01.

Trevor:

So the first thing to say is at 2022 emission levels per person, China is well

Trevor:

below so many other countries, despite the fact that it is the, um, the world's

Trevor:

factory and, uh, as an excuse for, um,

Joe:

and a lot of those emissions are to do with building

Trevor:

Yeah, yeah.

Trevor:

No doubt.

Trevor:

And infrastructure.

Trevor:

So, um, uh, what else did I have here?

Trevor:

Yeah, so you can find that sort of stuff.

Trevor:

Um, uh,

Joe:

yes, but according to the Heartlands facts,

Trevor:

the Heartlands facts,

Joe:

oh, Heartland is a US institute, uh, of climate change deniers.

Trevor:

Oh, okay.

Trevor:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Trevor:

Um,

Trevor:

uh, that would say something completely different.

Trevor:

The, the other one I got, uh, I saw this interesting article, which is,

Trevor:

but uh, China is building more coal plants, coal fired power plants.

Trevor:

They are, yes.

Trevor:

And they are.

Trevor:

So, so why is it if renewables are such a convincing and cheaper method

Trevor:

of power generation, why are the Chinese still building coal fired power

Trevor:

stations if solar and wind are so cheap?

Trevor:

And, uh, in this article basically, uh, had links to various facts and

Trevor:

figures, but it was saying that, um, yes, China is opening new coal plants.

Trevor:

And in 2023, for example, it added almost 50 gigawatts, which was about the same.

Trevor:

As the already existing installed capacity in Indonesia, Germany, or Japan.

Trevor:

So in one year it's adding what the others sort of have in total already.

Trevor:

And, uh, it hasn't retired much.

Trevor:

And um, what they're saying though is that the plants, um, these coal fired

Trevor:

power plants in the two thousands were running at 70% of the time.

Trevor:

Now they're running at around 50% of the time.

Trevor:

So there's more of them, but they're running for less of the time.

Trevor:

So the actual, um, use or, um, what would you say, uh, emissions from it

Trevor:

aren't necessarily greater because even though there's more of them,

Trevor:

they're not being fired up as much and um, they're running at a loss.

Trevor:

A lot of them, almost 50% of these plants are running at a loss.

Trevor:

And the question would be, well, why would the Chinese run them at a loss?

Trevor:

And, uh, one argument would be that, um,

Trevor:

uh, what does it say here, um,

Trevor:

just for safety's sake as abundance proportion.

Trevor:

Yep.

Trevor:

Because China has reserves of coal mm-hmm.

Trevor:

But doesn't have reserves of gas, which is what most countries

Trevor:

would use as their sort of backup.

Trevor:

And China doesn't want to have to rely on other countries for gas.

Trevor:

Uh, wonder why Joe, like, uh, it's tactically Yes, un understandable.

Trevor:

And somehow the Chinese are also, um, requiring or, or seeking that the

Trevor:

plants can be switched on and off.

Trevor:

More flexibly than what we're used to with coal fired gener power stations here,

Trevor:

which provide base load and are difficult to, to sort of turn off and turn on.

Trevor:

So they're apparently, uh, using ones that have a bit more capacity to be

Trevor:

switched on and off more flexibly.

Trevor:

The other arguments are that it's local provincial governments that organize

Trevor:

them and they don't really care about a lot of issues that other people do.

Trevor:

And surely they care about pollution though it's, it's a nod to their KPIs

Trevor:

if they've got development happening.

Trevor:

So, uh, and if there's too many of them, um, then they don't care.

Trevor:

So that's kind of like people say, ah, the problem with command

Trevor:

economies is that they, um, don't respond to market forces very well.

Trevor:

Potentially, and this might be an example of that mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Where these provincial Chinese governments are not responding to

Trevor:

market demand, but just building these things because it's good for a

Trevor:

KPI of development that assists them.

Trevor:

Uh, and what was the other argument here?

Trevor:

Um, um,

Trevor:

yeah, and you can look at all sorts of other figures in terms of renewables

Trevor:

being, um, solar and, and wind and, and, um, hydro that we've talked about.

Trevor:

So it's a sort of a interesting nuanced sort of answer as to why

Trevor:

the Chinese building coal fired power stations, if renewables are

Trevor:

so cheap, the answers are, they're building a shit load of renewables.

Trevor:

They're still building the coal, but they're not turning them

Trevor:

on as much as they used to.

Trevor:

They're trying to use 'em as a flexible option 'cause they don't have gas.

Trevor:

And it almost might sound a bit crazy and stupid, but that's got provincial

Trevor:

government happening in a command economy rather than a market economy.

Trevor:

And uh,

Joe:

although you can turn coal into gas, right?

Joe:

I dunno if you get less emissions from doing that.

Trevor:

I don't know you turn into, but that's totally different to sort

Trevor:

of natural gas that we're correct.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

So, um, so,

Joe:

um, town gas for years in the uk, in, in a lot of the world, uh, they

Joe:

heated up coal and turned it into gas.

Joe:

Right?

Joe:

Or you drive off the gas basically.

Trevor:

Okay.

Trevor:

Um, so yeah, so that was, uh, that little experience.

Trevor:

And then the other experience I had online, one of my friends who very

Trevor:

right wing, posted a thing on Facebook, which was an article from the A, B, C.

Trevor:

Titled one of Australia's first Wind Farms faces decommissioning due to cost.

Trevor:

And this friend wrote the comment above it, wind Farm decommissioned

Trevor:

in Western Australia because cost of new blades too expensive.

Trevor:

Why is the a LP funding more farms with subsidy subsidies

Trevor:

a money pit, exclamation mark.

Trevor:

So on the face of it, you know, if you are a friend and you see that and you go,

Trevor:

huh, these wind farms aren't so crash hot.

Trevor:

Like this one's come to the end of its life.

Trevor:

They can't afford to put new blades on it 'cause it's too expensive.

Trevor:

You know, it's just this, uh, wind farm stuff looks like a load of bollocks.

Trevor:

Well, what about oid?

Trevor:

What's, what's the story with oid?

Trevor:

Well, you're blowing up,

Joe:

it's a coal, coal fired power station that's blown up

Joe:

twice in the last five years.

Joe:

Yeah.

Trevor:

But when you actually read this article, what it says is.

Trevor:

The, the, the, the wind turbine fan stuff that was put here in this

Trevor:

place over 20 years ago mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Is a smaller type and, and less effective and, and would be

Trevor:

replaced now by four larger ones.

Trevor:

Is, is what would go in here and the site could only handle four of these large ones

Trevor:

and that would generate, uh, electricity.

Trevor:

Um, that just isn't, it isn't worth creating a site with just

Trevor:

four of these wind things on them.

Trevor:

You wanna put 'em in a site where you can do 20 or 30 of the things to make it

Trevor:

all worthwhile for the infrastructure.

Trevor:

So it was really a case of wind technology has been so successful that the, that the.

Trevor:

The, what do we call 'em, Joe Windmills, generators, what do we call turbines?

Trevor:

Turbines are so effective that rather than a dozen of these smaller

Trevor:

ones, you'd have four large ones.

Trevor:

And, um, it just isn't worthwhile to put four in this place for all the effort and

Trevor:

you're much better just going somewhere else where you can put more of them.

Trevor:

So it was nothing to do with, um, a failure.

Trevor:

It was actually a, a success story of wind farms.

Trevor:

It just pisses me off that Smart people.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

I mean it's, and, and so Australia has very few wind farms, but if you look at

Joe:

Europe Mm, they have huge wind farms.

Joe:

Mm. And if they were so crap, Europe wouldn't be investing in them.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

And, and maybe Europe, if it was in Australia, would be investing

Joe:

in solar because that's the better solution for Australian climate.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

Um, but I would say there's large areas of coastline here that get lots of wind.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

And, and a mix of solar and, and wind would be great.

Trevor:

And then of course, people complained that they were unsightly, so

Trevor:

they said, okay, we'll stick 'em away.

Trevor:

Out in the ocean over there.

Trevor:

Yep.

Trevor:

You'll have to squint your eyes to see them.

Trevor:

And people would go, oh, what about the poor whales?

Trevor:

They'll run into 'em.

Trevor:

Like, there's a lot of people last people on earth who actually worry about whales.

Trevor:

But

Joe:

there, there's also the whole, uh, bird strikes, you

Joe:

know, uh, wind farms kill birds.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

Apparently an equivalent.

Joe:

Coal fired Power Station kills.

Joe:

I can't remember the exact number.

Joe:

It's something like 10 times the number of birds.

Trevor:

Right.

Trevor:

Okay.

Trevor:

And why aren't people

Joe:

up in arms about the coal fired power stations with the

Joe:

pollution that's killing the birds?

Joe:

Yeah, but they're so worried about the wind turbines killing the birds.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Uh, a comment in the chat, Andrew says, what about if Croc

Trevor:

referenced Gaza in every item?

Trevor:

Would you support that?

Trevor:

N no.

Trevor:

It's gonna be no.

Trevor:

Only if it's relevant to whatever the question was.

Trevor:

So,

Joe:

I, I mean, I think we shouldn't be talking to Grock for facts anyway.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

But, uh,

Joe:

LLMs are crap at facts.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

So, um, so in short, no, I wouldn't support that.

Trevor:

Um, um, yes.

Trevor:

And what other experiences have I had, uh, speaking with lefty friends?

Trevor:

Uh, I think of the election, the greens, you know, they went too

Trevor:

far and they refused to compromise.

Trevor:

On housing?

Trevor:

Yes.

Joe:

Okay.

Trevor:

And I had to remind them, and I, now I've just sort of reminded myself

Trevor:

of the exact, um, sort of situation.

Trevor:

But back in September, 2023, the Greens agreed to support the Albanese governments

Trevor:

$10 billion Housing Australia Future Fund, half guaranteeing it would pass the

Trevor:

Senate after months of bid negotiations.

Trevor:

And, um, and at that time, they had managed to secure a further $1 billion

Trevor:

for public and community housing.

Trevor:

So in September, 2023, by holding off, they had secured an extra

Trevor:

billion from the government that the government didn't want to provide.

Trevor:

And prior to that, in June, Albanese announced a further 2 billion for

Trevor:

social and affordable housing.

Trevor:

Because the greens were holding out and withholding their support.

Trevor:

So in total it was $3 billion that the greens got out of the Labor

Trevor:

party that they didn't wanna spend.

Trevor:

Um, so, so they refused to compromise for several months while they

Trevor:

haggled and eventually they, uh, said, okay, that deal's good enough.

Trevor:

And as, uh, in episode 400, we reported, dear listener, uh, back in the day

Trevor:

when Guy Rundel was still a crikey, I wonder where Guy Del's got to, uh, he

Trevor:

got sacked 'cause um, um, of a reason.

Trevor:

I can't remember, but I was really hoping he would turn up somewhere.

Trevor:

Um, so he said, well, the Greens have been rewarded for their political courage

Trevor:

in holding out on the housing bill.

Trevor:

Um.

Trevor:

So they voted with the coalition against it.

Trevor:

In order to get more in the Senate, they showed up independent David

Trevor:

Pocock as inexperienced and weak.

Trevor:

Pocock voted for the initial half and then had to scramble to get on the green side

Trevor:

when the party won the first 2 billion of actual money for the fund, having then

Trevor:

urged the greens to vote for the bill.

Trevor:

After that, he will now have to adjust his position again

Trevor:

to welcome the next billion.

Trevor:

So the greens taught pocock a lesson in, in not compromising for a while

Trevor:

to extract stuff that you want.

Trevor:

It's, and yet it's the greens who get the reputation as being crazies

Trevor:

who, who refused to compromise.

Trevor:

Um, but they extracted stuff and eventually compromised.

Trevor:

And then the most recent occasion was in November, 2024, where the Greens got

Trevor:

an extra 500 million added to the Social Housing Energy performance Initiative.

Trevor:

Um, as part of their haggling and they eventually passed the government bills.

Trevor:

So it just pisses me off that even amongst the lefty friendly people, we still get

Trevor:

the line that the greens were killed.

Trevor:

Compromising

Joe:

clowns.

Joe:

What's that, Joe?

Joe:

They killed off the e ets.

Joe:

Right?

Joe:

Nothing to do with, nothing to do with the Mad Bishop.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Ah, so, yeah.

Trevor:

Um, uh, sorry.

Trevor:

Uh, back in the chat room, being a bit facetious, but you did say very

Trevor:

news build and should start with Gaza stories and you felt like it was

Trevor:

inappropriate to talk about anything else.

Trevor:

Well, they should, Andrew, when a hospital's been bombed, when a kid's

Trevor:

been hit by a sniper, when a group of kids have had a hand grenade,

Trevor:

well a drone bombs dropped on them.

Trevor:

Uh, if nothing's happened that particular day.

Trevor:

Probably Okay.

Trevor:

Don't do anything.

Trevor:

But you'd probably find that almost every day something has happened of that sort,

Trevor:

that if it happened anywhere else on the planet would be wall to wall coverage.

Joe:

I think he's saying if it should be leading the news,

Joe:

then it should be leading grok.

Trevor:

Right.

Joe:

And I would say that no, the news and gr are two different things.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Okay.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

I, you know, anyway, I think Andrew's kind of on side, but kinda making a point.

Trevor:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Trevor:

Um, where was I in my rant about the greens?

Trevor:

So, yeah.

Trevor:

Um, yeah, that was that

Joe:

bunch of bloody watermelons.

Trevor:

Speaking of really crazy people, Joe.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

What about those pasts in particular one that you mentioned?

Trevor:

I. Uh, from Indonesia.

Trevor:

What did he get up to?

Joe:

Oh, yeah.

Joe:

Well, no, he wasn't the crazy person.

Trevor:

Well, he wasn't, he the Pastorium was not the crazy person.

Joe:

No.

Joe:

No.

Trevor:

Mm.

Joe:

So he wrote, uh, a letter, an open letter, and I can't remember what it,

Joe:

it was about religious discrimination.

Joe:

And he's been forced to leave the country because of death threats.

Joe:

Because he was poking fun at Islam by being a Pastor Farian.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

He wrote to the Minister of Religious Affairs for the Republic of Indonesia,

Trevor:

uh, requesting full and proper recognition of the Flying Spaghetti monster.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Um, as, uh, as a true God.

Trevor:

And that didn't go down well.

Trevor:

No.

Trevor:

And, and now he's being, um, I.

Joe:

He has apparently escaped to Australia.

Joe:

Mm. And I think he's applied for, um, uh, asylum, for religious persecution.

Trevor:

He's probably have pretty fair case by looks of things.

Trevor:

Yeah, yeah.

Joe:

Although, I dunno that the Australian government will agree to his case because

Joe:

Pastor Arianism, isn't it real religion?

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

But can it still be religious discrimination?

Trevor:

That's a good question.

Joe:

Well, I, I think we should recognize it as a real religion because

Joe:

it's as real as any of the others.

Trevor:

Indeed it is.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Joe, I think we're almost ready to talk post-election stuff.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

And, uh, Scott never made it, I held this aside for Scott, but, uh,

Trevor:

I dunno what's happened to Scott.

Trevor:

So, uh, what have we got in terms of maybe he

Joe:

got lucky.

Trevor:

Um, maybe he did.

Trevor:

Hang on a minute.

Trevor:

I'm all.

Trevor:

Just dunno where his partner is.

Trevor:

If his partner's in Brisbane, then we don't wanna be saying that, do we?

Trevor:

Uh, um, yeah.

Trevor:

Uh, let me see.

Trevor:

This one from Dan.

Trevor:

Ick is the one that I want.

Trevor:

Um, yes, Joe.

Trevor:

I mean, we've had recriminations have we?

Trevor:

In the liberal party, we had the leadership fight and Oh, yeah, yeah.

Trevor:

Essentially got people arguing over the party.

Trevor:

Wasn't far right enough.

Joe:

Well, um, uh, Gina was saying that the party wasn't far right.

Joe:

Enough

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Particularly needed to take on Donald Trump-like policies.

Trevor:

Oh, absolutely, yes.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

So bit of chaos in the liberal party.

Trevor:

Um.

Trevor:

Here's, uh, I, I'm

Joe:

hoping for that.

Trevor:

Here's a reporter, which this, this one is more video than audios.

Trevor:

So for the pe for the six people watching you get this in its

Trevor:

full glory, um, here it is.

Clip:

Nothing could be further from the truth, Veronica.

Clip:

We want all Australians to know that.

Clip:

Sure.

Clip:

It's been a tough few weeks here at the liberal party and yes, we've had our

Clip:

disagreements, but we want you to know that's just made us even warn United.

Clip:

We fully backed Tony Abbott to go to the next election to

Clip:

fight Kevin Rudd and to win.

Clip:

So Prime Minister Rudd, if you're listening, look out the lip.

Trevor:

Uh, I found that particularly funny, but, um, it's a bit old.

Trevor:

But yes.

Joe:

Showing the United, although having said that, labor are

Joe:

not exactly united, are they?

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

So Sky News is saying that, um, that.

Trevor:

Uh, of course the Liberal National Party.

Trevor:

Were not right wing enough.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Here's Roe and Dean's take on the election, sort of, um, result.

Clip:

But first, the future of Australia as a cohesive, peaceful,

Clip:

relaxed, comfortable, and prosperous nation is now extremely unlikely,

Clip:

at least for the next few years.

Clip:

I said repeatedly that the May three election was the most important of

Clip:

our lives, and so it has turned out to be in the worst possible way.

Clip:

There is no sugar coating what has occurred.

Clip:

It was the perfect storm, a canny and cunning labor party, an utterly inept

Clip:

opposition and the perversity of our idiotic, compulsory preferential voting

Clip:

system, which together have left us with a hard left government that two thirds of

Clip:

the population did not vote for wielding an unbelievably dangerous level of power.

Clip:

Poor fellow, my country, I. To put it bluntly with hard left labor holding

Clip:

a massive majority in the lower house and the Marxist Greens holding the

Clip:

balance of power in the Senate Australia is now to all intents and purposes,

Joe:

oh no, not the Marxist greens hard left.

Joe:

Mm.

Trevor:

They're not even left

Joe:

on, on what planet are they?

Joe:

Hard left.

Trevor:

They're not even left.

Trevor:

The, the, the Australian Labor Party today mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Is, is center Right.

Trevor:

It's not a left wing party at all.

Trevor:

Richard Miles is head of the right faction of the Labor Party, and he is more at

Trevor:

home with his liberal opposition than he is with, with, with left-wing politics.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

It's a nonsense to say that these guys are left, let

Trevor:

alone the dreaded socialists.

Trevor:

Um, but

Joe:

only a third of Australians voted for, uh, labor.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

And, and less than a third voted for the liberals.

Joe:

He didn't

Trevor:

mention that part.

Trevor:

No, exactly.

Trevor:

And then the Marxist Greens, God's sake, just the history on of these things.

Trevor:

So it

Joe:

sounds, it sounds like he wants first passed the post.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

Does, because preferential voting allowing you to vote for

Joe:

an independent, how dare they?

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

But, um, sky News has been, they, they're not happy with Susan Lee.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

And they think that she's, well, no,

Joe:

she's farty liberal.

Joe:

Well,

Trevor:

they, yes.

Trevor:

They don't think she's, she's, she's, she's a little commie, um mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Infiltrator.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

So that they're worried about, so.

Trevor:

They're straight on to criticizing her.

Trevor:

They're not giving her a chance at all.

Trevor:

Um,

Joe:

well, I actually heard there's a reason that they've elected her.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

Because it's a lame dog po uh, position.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

Uh, that she's got no hope of getting elected anytime in the near future.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Joe:

So put a woman in the position, look like we're doing something.

Trevor:

Mm.

Joe:

And then when it comes time to either win the election or she loses

Joe:

it badly Mm. We replace her and put somebody that's white male in there.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

Uh, and in the meantime we can look to be progressive whilst actually doing nothing.

Trevor:

So Andrew Hasty didn't even run and I'm sure that he's thinking,

Trevor:

why would I just spend the next three years copying shit when I can just

Trevor:

gather that together, my forces, it's gonna be horrendous for her.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Let her deal with it and I'll come in as the answer when,

Trevor:

when things are looking miserable.

Trevor:

Um, so this is the sort of thing going on over at Sky News.

Trevor:

You get the

Clip:

sense that a lot of people, uh, whether it's in the party or out of

Clip:

it, do feel like, uh, perhaps Susan Lee is a placeholder in this or has

Clip:

been appointed because she is a woman.

Clip:

And that's what so much of the criticism of the party has been about.

Clip:

Whether it's true or not, you can't escape the perception that there's a

Clip:

bit of a token woman feel about this.

Clip:

Uh, disappointment.

Clip:

Yeah.

Clip:

Look, I, I'll be pretty blunt here.

Clip:

She's been in the parliament for 24 years.

Clip:

Most punters wouldn't have an idea who she is.

Clip:

I mean, most, most journalists, I'm listening to them, dunno whether

Clip:

to call her Susan Lee or Susan Lay.

Clip:

I mean, such as her cut through in that time.

Clip:

Now she is a placeholder.

Clip:

I doubt that, uh, she will stray very far from her real opinions about,

Clip:

you know, Palestine, some of the woke things that she really, uh, has always

Clip:

advocated, who would give their heart earned to this shambles of a party?

Clip:

One liberal donor describes Susan Lee to me as a lemon, and that's brutal.

Clip:

But the reality is Susan Lee is a placeholder.

Clip:

She's not the answer.

Clip:

No one believes that the current leader will ever be Prime Minister.

Clip:

Now, Susan Lee also wanted to be Shadow Minister for Foreign Affairs

Clip:

when Simon Birmingham retired.

Clip:

But Peter Dutton didn't think,

Trevor:

yeah, I like that bit, Joe.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Peter Dutton that didn't think she was up to the job.

Trevor:

Hasn't he proved to be such an, an Nostradamus?

Trevor:

What a great operator he was.

Trevor:

Exactly.

Trevor:

Like, we should really be listening to Peter Dutton still.

Joe:

Oh.

Joe:

Although I did hear her described as the team who, Liz Truss.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

The team who, Liz Trust.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

But, you know, but you know, a criticism of her that Peter Dutton didn't think

Trevor:

she was up to, to snuff, for God's sake.

Trevor:

Who cares what Peter Dutton thinks?

Trevor:

He turned out to be hopeless.

Trevor:

It's probably a good thing for, for anybody on their cv.

Clip:

It was good enough.

Trevor:

Peter Dutton didn't like them

Clip:

yet.

Clip:

She's now the leader of the party make of that where you will.

Clip:

But at least 25 members in the liberal party don't have confidence in her.

Clip:

And under her leadership, the party will remain divided.

Clip:

There will be no unity.

Joe:

It was divided under all of them, wasn't it?

Trevor:

Crimey River?

Trevor:

Um, like that crappy stuff that you just heard, that is what

Trevor:

liberal party members mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Are listening to.

Trevor:

That's where they get their opinions from.

Joe:

Yep.

Trevor:

And liberal party politicians.

Trevor:

Have to listen to Sky News to know what their constituents

Trevor:

are thinking as in their liberal party membership constituents.

Trevor:

Because even if they weren't thinking that beforehand, after

Trevor:

a few sessions on, uh, sky News, that's what they will be thinking.

Trevor:

So

Joe:

yeah, there was also a bit of, um, turmoil about Senator Price.

Joe:

And who was she standing with?

Trevor:

Uh, Taylor.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

And um, he was my pick.

Trevor:

'cause I thought he was the one who wanted it the most, but, um, he missed out.

Trevor:

So she swapped the liberals?

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

But then I think she didn't stand and people were upset because she

Joe:

moved and then she didn't stand.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

She thinks one day she's gonna be Prime Minister.

Trevor:

She thinks people want her as the first Aboriginal

Joe:

Prime Minister.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

So maybe.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

So, um, so that was, that was those bits.

Trevor:

Um, so the knives are out for her.

Trevor:

Um, um, we had Richard Miles,

Joe:

so this,

Trevor:

you know, the other thing that some friends of mine lefties

Trevor:

were saying was, you know, well,

Trevor:

uh, the Labor Party had a tiptoe during their first term, but now they've

Trevor:

been elected in their second term.

Trevor:

Now they've got a chance to, it's a labor party.

Trevor:

They've got a chance to really do some progressive things.

Trevor:

And I said, look, they're not interested in progressive things,

Trevor:

and, and you've only just gotta look at what Richard Miles just pulled

Trevor:

off, like as part of factional deals.

Trevor:

He got two minutes to sacked and replaced by two others, and

Trevor:

Albanese didn't stand up to him.

Trevor:

So, so the worst performer in the, in the Labor Party, Richard Miles

Joe:

mm-hmm.

Trevor:

The defense.

Trevor:

Minister responsible for continuing the stupid orca deal is, is like pulling

Trevor:

the strings as to factional numbers.

Trevor:

And Albanese was like, oh, okay.

Trevor:

If that's the factional deal, I'll just accept it.

Trevor:

So the factions work out who's going to be in the ministry and Albanese

Trevor:

then decides which ministry they get.

Trevor:

But he, after that victory, surely could have put his foot down and

Trevor:

said, no, let's be sensible here.

Trevor:

But Richard knows the long knives.

Trevor:

Yeah, exactly.

Trevor:

So that's where we are there.

Trevor:

Um, uh, you mentioned Gina Reinhardt.

Trevor:

Uh, she has singled out Italy and Hungary currently governed by

Trevor:

populist right wing coalitions.

Joe:

Countries.

Joe:

Well Hung is ruled by a dictator.

Trevor:

Hmm.

Trevor:

These are countries that Australia could aspire to according to.

Trevor:

Um, Gina Reinhardt, uh, if only the liberals would stick with Trump-like

Trevor:

policies and abandon the myth.

Trevor:

The two could be a

Joe:

fascist state.

Joe:

Yes.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

And abandoned the myths and untruths of the left.

Trevor:

Uh, she put this out in a statement to the Daily Mail and, um, she says

Trevor:

The left media did a very successful effort, frightening many in the

Trevor:

liberal party from anything Trump and away from any Trump-like policies.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

'cause I think, um, sky News were scaring people away from Trump-Like policies.

Joe:

Yes.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Uh,

Joe:

yeah.

Joe:

I think most Australians have looked at Trump and gone,

Joe:

we don't wanna borrow that.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

She has said, as I've repeatedly stated, we need to cut government tape

Trevor:

regulations, government's, wastage, and tax burdens across Australia.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

She wants.

Joe:

To excise the north of Australia from the tax system so she can run

Joe:

her minds as a tax free enterprise.

Trevor:

She says what we need is a US style Doge, Elon Musk type thing.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

And again, you know why?

Joe:

'cause Doge has cut out all oversight for industry

Trevor:

Mm.

Joe:

And cut all the funding for poor people.

Trevor:

What we really need is a wealth tax.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Where after, you know, $500 billion, something like that, um, you get

Trevor:

whacked with a wealth tax and

Joe:

do, do they even need 500?

Joe:

I think a hundred is more than sufficient.

Trevor:

Fine.

Trevor:

I'm with you there.

Trevor:

And if we just did that, um, and voted for it and said, fuck you Gina R up.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Uh, wouldn't that be fun?

Trevor:

But only some of the crazy greens would, you know, come up with an idea like that.

Joe:

Only some of the crazy greens would vote in Parliament Firm.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

Because too many of the other politicians are beholden to their patrons.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

Sorry.

Joe:

Um, uh, our, our, our institute interested in the constituents.

Joe:

Yes.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Uh, well, we didn't get onto, um, hopefully the 14th.

Trevor:

Not much to say, um,

Joe:

fall apart from him bagging Trump a couple of times.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Just a final thought on Trump.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Remember the Lion King when scarred cheated to win the titles King

Trevor:

and the Pride Land was overrun with the hyenas and all of the lines lost

Trevor:

everything they had built and maintained.

Trevor:

Just asking no reason.

Trevor:

Uh, oh, one thing, Joe Alcatraz.

Joe:

Oh yeah.

Trevor:

For God's sake, the guy watches a movie.

Trevor:

I. Apparently escape from Alcatraz was being shown in the area

Trevor:

where he is living at Mar Largo.

Joe:

Right.

Trevor:

And the next day he comes out with, I'm gonna reopen Al

Trevor:

should reopen Alcatraz and put all the hardened criminals in there.

Joe:

I, I mean, anyone who's actually been to Alcatraz, and I haven't been, I've only

Joe:

seen it from a distance, realizes that it's, it's just not economically feasible.

Trevor:

It's just the most expensive place Yeah.

Trevor:

To put a jail.

Trevor:

Yes.

Trevor:

And it's not as if, it's not as if hardened criminals are escaping from

Trevor:

maximum security all the time, Joe.

Joe:

No.

Joe:

And

Trevor:

that there's a real problem.

Trevor:

But this is the crazy nonsense that, uh, that's going on there.

Trevor:

It's honestly, I had, uh, I'd probably have about two dozen clips of Trump

Trevor:

saying something crazy, corrupt, stupid.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Everything from Alcatraz through to free planes from

Joe:

Al Qatar.

Joe:

Qatar, yeah.

Joe:

The $400 million plane.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

Which isn't going to be given to the US government.

Joe:

It's gonna be given to Trump.

Joe:

And we'll go to the presidential library.

Joe:

So when he's no longer president, he can still personally use it.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Trevor:

But as the guy said, on Planet America, like you, when you don't just grab a

Trevor:

plane and it becomes Air Force one, it needs all sorts of, it needs communication

Trevor:

gear and uh, and special stuff in it.

Trevor:

Plus you've gotta scour the whole thing to make sure the Qatari

Trevor:

didn't put listening devices on it.

Trevor:

Mm-hmm.

Trevor:

Just, and then apparently, you know, by the time you've done all that,

Trevor:

we're onto our next president anyway.

Trevor:

Um, so yeah, from Alcatraz to planes to, to his dodgy Bitcoin shit and a thousand

Trevor:

or one other shitty things, it's like.

Trevor:

What that Steve Bannon said.

Trevor:

You can just flood the space with so many stories that Yeah.

Trevor:

That nobody can, can properly Yes.

Trevor:

Comprehend or assess or take in or ingest each just the sheer volume of them.

Joe:

Yes.

Joe:

Um, apparently Trump,

Joe:

oh, there, there's, um, some other country, or maybe it was Kael, um,

Joe:

apparently there's gonna be some new Trump development in some other

Joe:

country that they're obviously angling for, um, US money for something.

Joe:

Right.

Joe:

So Trump has just got permission from one government somewhere

Joe:

down in the Middle East.

Joe:

So they're, they, they must be looking for favors.

Joe:

Yeah.

Joe:

And, and just a,

Trevor:

a, a bunch of things in terms of the separation of

Trevor:

powers and the, and abuse of the.

Trevor:

The system.

Trevor:

Anyway, it's too many to catalog, um, and run through.

Trevor:

And this lu is attacking my throat.

Trevor:

It's getting very ticklish.

Trevor:

I've gotta stop.

Trevor:

We'll be back next week maybe with Scott.

Trevor:

Not sure, uh, but we'll have some stories of some sort.

Trevor:

Thanks in the chat room.

Trevor:

You've been very good.

Trevor:

Thank you for your comments and um, we'll be back next week.

Trevor:

Talk to you then.

Trevor:

Bye for now.

Trevor:

And it's a good night from me

Joe:

and it's a good night from him.

Trevor:

Good night.

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