Episode 444 - They're eating the dogs

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And we're back, episode 444.

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Closing in on the 450 mark, Iron Fist Velvet Glove podcast.

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I'm Trevor, over there in regional Queensland.

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Scott the Velvet Glove.

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How are you, Scott?

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Good, thanks, Trevor.

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G'day, Trevor.

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G'day, Joe.

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G'day, listeners.

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I hope everyone's well.

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Hopefully they are.

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And Joe, the tech guy, of course.

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Evening all.

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So yes, we're here.

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We're going to talk about news and politics and sex and religion.

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Actually, not much about sex, I don't think.

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Um, we talked a little bit about last week.

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Somebody was happy about that.

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But, uh, yeah, look, what's on the agenda?

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I think, well, we had the debate.

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Between, uh, Kamala, Kamala?

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Kamala Harris and Trump, and, uh, the things that came out of that.

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Still just lots of US bad behavior on the planet.

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See where we end up on different topics, but I think it's one where

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there's a lot of foreign affairs.

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Not a lot.

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locally happening, although a tiny bit we'll get to, but, uh, yeah, if

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you're in the chat room, say hello.

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If you find a topic boring, remember there are chapters in

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the audio version of this podcast.

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So you can look at the chapters and skip around and scoot around and

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repeat things or skip over things.

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So Scott, what did you think of the debate between Donald Trump and, and

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Harris and how it all panned out to me?

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Impressions that you had from that?

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Well, only that, um, It wasn't really all that surprising that Donald

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Trump brought up eating the dogs and eating the cats, you know, because

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I think the man is an imbecile.

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Because he's an imbecile, it really wouldn't surprise me that he had

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someone telling him to actually say it, and he probably thought, yeah, that

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sounds like a good idea, I'll say that.

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He's just led by anyone that's got a right wing base and that type of thing.

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Now, there was that.

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Laura Loomer, was it?

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She's got 1.

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2 million followers on X.

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So it really wouldn't surprise me that the other Republicans are right.

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That was possibly her that actually told him to say

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it.

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You know.

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The first time around we had crazy Steve Bannon was sort of in the wings.

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And we felt that he was the guy prompting Trump into dark corners.

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Apparently Laura, Laura Loomer, conspiracy theorist, is very upset that

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people are spreading conspiracies that she's in a relationship with Trump.

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Really?

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Yes.

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Ah, so she was in the plane with him the day before, and apparently she Hang

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on, she, who's a 9 11 denier, was on the plane to the 9 11 memorial.

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Yeah, a 9 11 denier on the plane to the memorial, yes.

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He took her

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to the memorial

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service.

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Of

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course.

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Yes, of course.

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She actually believes it's an inside job, doesn't she?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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A nasty piece of work.

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I've got a little clip from her.

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So let's just, for those who aren't familiar with Laura Loomer, this

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is one of Trump's key advisors and seemingly the woman behind Um, he,

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he wanted to hire her, uh, his, his, his, um, advisors said no.

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The other crazy advi the other crazy advisors said, this one is

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too crazy.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I think they were right, based on, based on this little clip here anyway.

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Um, this, uh, okay, here we go.

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So malicious, so disrespectful to Donald

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Trump and Melania Trump.

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They've taken it so far.

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And you know, if I was a leftist journalist, if I was a, if I was a

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Democrat, oh my God, the media would be up in arms if the Republican

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media was doing this to a, uh, you know, a left wing journalist.

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Oh my God, they're misogynists, they're bullying a woman, they're

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trying to, they're trying to Monica Lewinsky her, they're, you know,

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they're demonizing her, they're, they're, they're trying to discredit

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the fact that she's a working woman.

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I mean, look, I know that Kamala Harris sucked it to get where she is today, okay,

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and she had to sleep with Willie Brown in order to, uh, to get to the top, but some

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of us women, right, we actually work hard.

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Some of us women have no desire to have sexual affairs with

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politicians or men with elite political status to climb the ladder.

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I know that Kamala Harris can't say the same, but, you know, believe

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me when I say that, uh, that's not me, or as Kamala Harris likes to

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say, they ain't like us, right?

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She ain't like me.

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I ain't like her.

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Hey, I don't suck dick to get to the top.

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That's what Kamala Harris

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is.

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Well, she's just weird.

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You know, when people talk like that, where she says she doesn't suck dick

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to get to the top, I immediately think she must be sucking dick to get to the top.

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People who put forward It's like when you're in business and you meet

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a new customer or somebody and they tell you, Don't worry, I always pay

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my debts, you'll never have to worry.

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And it's like, oh no, they're gonna, they're gonna miss a payment.

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He's been going on for months about how he wasn't involved in Golden Showers.

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Yes.

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You know that he was.

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So just the vehement sort of talk like that just makes you think that, okay,

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probably there's What is it, um, He Doth Protest Too Much, or something like that?

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The Lady Doth Protest Too Much.

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Yes, The Lady Doth Protest Too Much.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's Shakespeare, I think.

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Yes.

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Yeah, it is Shakespeare.

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I couldn't tell you what play it's from, but anyway.

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Yeah, so, um, Shailene says, I'll Never Let You Down is the one for me.

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Good

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to see you there, Shailene.

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Hey, Shailene, I'm never going to give you up.

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Yeah, that's true.

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No, when people have to verbalize stuff, but yeah, you have to worry, don't you?

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Hmm.

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So, particularly, Scott, your reaction, you obviously thought that

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was pretty low blow, fairly nasty work, her commentary there, it seemed.

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Oh, it was, yeah.

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You know, how she actually accused Carmel Harris of sleeping away to the top.

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I mean, I know a lot of people always said that about Maggie Thatcher

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and all that type of thing, but that just, they just, Did they?

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Ah, no.

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These, these Nancy Reagan was known as The Throat.

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Oh, was she?

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Yeah.

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Hmm.

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Okay.

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Apparently, Margaret Thatcher was quite a, a, um, how do you say it?

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Prude?

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No, no, she gave off a sexual vibe.

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Yeah.

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Christopher Hitchens.

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Yeah.

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would talk about how she gave off a vibe and she spanked him with

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a magazine on his bum and other world leaders who met her and other

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people said that Margaret Thatcher definitely gave off a womanly vibe,

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which you wouldn't suspect from afar.

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I just think to myself, this is probably a, she was the first of a

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international leader that was a woman.

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Okay, now you've got to, not, okay, that's probably discounting,

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Whatever her name was, Mrs.

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Gandhi in India, and, um, Golda Meir, and those sorts of people.

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But they weren't, they weren't Prime Ministers or Presidents

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of a large, powerful country.

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Are you doubting this story, Scott?

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I am down in the story.

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Now, I just think to myself that, yes, she may have given off some sexual

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vibes, but I don't think she would actually cheat on Dennis though.

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No, no, not suggesting that.

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But I'm just suggesting that, um, uh, she had a sense of flirtation about her.

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I'm not saying that she

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went and did anything, but certainly had that sort

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of aura about her, which Oh,

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that doesn't surprise

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me.

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Right.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Um, yeah, but particularly nasty that Laura Loomer.

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Oh God, she is awful.

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Yeah, there's a bit of a theme here.

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Actually, well, I'll jump to it now.

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Well, just while we're on it, Julia Gillard came out and, um, former Labor

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Prime Minister Julia Gillard's called on the party to never remove its 50 percent

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female quota for parliamentary candidates.

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And I think that's a good thing.

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But if we're hoping that, um, it lifts the calibre, I don't know that it does.

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It just seems to me that more and more apparent that just, world leaders, it

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doesn't matter whether they're male or female, there's just a shitty bunch

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that we're lumbered with and the system is promoting shitty women as much

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as men at the moment, unfortunately.

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Well, it's all about women.

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A desire for power, isn't it?

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Yes, and just because you're gender may be a female gender doesn't

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mean that you're necessarily a better politician or leader than male.

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So, uh, in this article I was looking at, it was looking at, say, Condoleezza

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Rice during the helm of the US Iraq weapons of mass destruction debacle.

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Margaret Thatcher, responsible for plenty of bad things.

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Hillary Clinton, sanctioned the murder of Gaddafi.

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Angela Merkel, um, was cruelling the Minsk Accords.

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So, there's plenty of, yeah.

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Okay for Julia Gillard, yes, a 50 percent quota in Labor is great, but gee.

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Don't, um, have too much hope in that lifting the overall standard

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because it seems that the ones we get are still pretty bad.

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Speaking of I don't think that's entirely true.

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Like, Peter Murphy was obviously a very good, um, MP.

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She was the, she was the Labor candidate that died from breast cancer.

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I can't remember when, but she, uh, died a little while ago.

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And she was, um, she got made a, made quite a name for herself.

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I don't know.

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Look, you can always pick and choose and find good and bad in both,

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but I'm just saying that, uh, uh, it's, it's not necessarily going to

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lead to any better policy or outcomes.

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So at least we'll be able to blame women as much as we can blame old men for

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the predicament we find ourselves in.

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Well,

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that's true.

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Have you guys seen much of Goan?

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No, I just thought it was very amusing that, um, when, what was her name?

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The last former foreign minister, the lady from the Liberal side, what was her name?

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Um, Julie Bishop.

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Julie Bishop.

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When she was asked about, you know, Does she ever think a, a, a successful woman

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will become leader of the Liberal Party?

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And she said, I don't know, we'll have to find one first, won't we?

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And then she just turned around and walked away, you know?

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I just thought that was very amusing how she actually said,

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well, I'm a successful woman.

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Why the hell are you asking me?

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Yeah, hmm.

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Anyway,

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uh Yeah Anyway, that was that.

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Just before we get too far, am I echoing a bit, Joe?

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Is that what you were saying?

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Yeah,

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just there's

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some sants.

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Okay.

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Maybe I should try, um, will I try echo cancellation?

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Maybe see how that goes?

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Is that, Ooh, that just sounds weird.

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That sounds weird.

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I'll go back.

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Yeah, I'll leave it going.

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Hey, um, let's just circle back to Trump.

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I saw this particular clip, and I found it fascinating, so when we're thinking

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about the debate that was just going on, and whether it will change minds, and Oh,

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no, but, uh, she was really good at baiting him.

Joe: 00:12:14

Yes.

Joe: 00:12:14

I absolutely,

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exactly, exactly, that was what she actually needed to do.

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Yeah, absolutely, people needed to see what a wild Petulant

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child he is, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Just for a bit of sport, for a bit of fun.

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Will it change any minds, is, is the question.

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Probably not.

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Those wedded onto him are going to carry on.

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But, you know, in terms of, they're saying the last debate,

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um, got rid of Biden, didn't it?

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So he can have an impact.

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Yes, uh, I think the last debate showed that the, had a problem where the

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Democratic supporters were unmotivated because they were going, um, No, John,

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I don't think Twitch is going, sorry.

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Um, I've got a clip here which I found fascinating about how

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rusted on the MAGA supporters are.

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and the shameless way that they will switch their story.

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So this is, this is, um, instructive, this one, and just scary.

Trevor: 00:13:27

So I'll play this for a bit.

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Do you mind if I ask you who you voted for in the last election?

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Trump.

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Trump?

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I'm going to guess you voted for Trump.

Red Neck: 00:13:40

It says Donald Trump.

Journalist: 00:13:42

Do you mind if I just ask you a few questions about things that

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Biden has done in his administration?

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And you can kind of give me your opinion on that.

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Um, what did you think when Joe Biden suggested that COVID could be cured by

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shining a bright light inside the body?

Maga woman: 00:13:56

Um, it is very sad.

Maga woman: 00:13:59

Wait, what happened then?

Trevor: 00:14:01

Do

Journalist: 00:14:05

you mind if I ask you who you voted for in the last election?

Journalist: 00:14:07

Trump.

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Trump?

Journalist: 00:14:09

I'm gonna guess you voted for Trump.

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I played right straight.

Journalist: 00:14:10

It says Donald Trump!

Journalist: 00:14:11

Do you mind if I just ask you a few questions about things that Biden has

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done in his administration and you can kind of give me your opinion on that?

Journalist: 00:14:18

Um, what did you think when Joe Biden suggested that COVID could be cured by

Journalist: 00:14:22

shining a bright light inside the body?

Journalist: 00:14:24

Is it

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playing anything?

Scott: 00:14:25

Yeah, can

Maga woman: 00:14:26

you tell?

Maga woman: 00:14:26

It is very sad that Joe Biden did that.

Maga woman: 00:14:30

It's clearly a dementia patient.

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Supposedly it would hit the body with a tremendous, uh, whether it's

Trump: 00:14:37

ultraviolet or just very powerful light.

Journalist: 00:14:40

What do you think about Joe Biden saying that getting

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through the 80s without getting HIV was his own personal Vietnam?

Maga woman: 00:14:48

Again, it's very sad, his mental capacity and that that

Maga woman: 00:14:52

is a very, um, uneducated Statement.

Maga woman: 00:14:57

Okay, I'm

Journalist: 00:14:58

so sorry.

Journalist: 00:14:58

These are not I got my notes mixed up.

Journalist: 00:15:01

Can I ask you this question?

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Can we start over?

Journalist: 00:15:03

Yeah.

Journalist: 00:15:03

Okay.

Journalist: 00:15:04

Um, what did you think when Donald Trump suggested that COVID could be cured by

Journalist: 00:15:10

shining a bright light into the body?

Journalist: 00:15:13

It depends what that technology

Maga woman: 00:15:14

is.

Maga woman: 00:15:15

Okay.

Maga woman: 00:15:15

Um, what did you That's a broad spectrum because, you know, you have

Maga woman: 00:15:20

MRI machines and CT machines and Infrared and different things, so

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it just depends the context of that.

Journalist: 00:15:29

What did you think of Donald Trump saying that getting

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through the 80s without getting HIV was his own personal Vietnam?

Journalist: 00:15:35

Um

Journalist: 00:15:41

Dementia patient?

Maga woman: 00:15:44

No, I don't believe that, um

Maga woman: 00:15:48

, Trevor: but I quite like that one,

Joe: 00:15:51

I'd like John's saying he can hear it.

Trevor: 00:15:53

Okay, excellent, so it's running through, but Yeah.

Trevor: 00:15:56

She, she's got a It's a good premise, this interview, basically saying,

Trevor: 00:16:01

Oh, I've got, I've got it wrong, sorry, I'll just replay it again.

Trevor: 00:16:04

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:16:04

So, uh, this guy, okay, so we'll just move on to this guy now.

Journalist: 00:16:09

He cheated on his wife with a porn star after his son was born.

Journalist: 00:16:12

Um, and there's actually a paper trail showing he paid the sex worker

Journalist: 00:16:15

130, 000 to keep quiet about it.

Journalist: 00:16:18

Who

Red Neck: 00:16:18

did that, Joe Biden?

Red Neck: 00:16:20

And he, he was making, I think Less than 100, 000 a year at that time

Red Neck: 00:16:26

as a congressman, I mean senator.

Red Neck: 00:16:28

Now, how does he do that?

Journalist: 00:16:31

You tell me.

Journalist: 00:16:32

Would you vote for someone that?

Journalist: 00:16:34

Of course not.

Journalist: 00:16:34

Okay.

Journalist: 00:16:36

So Trump did do that.

Red Neck: 00:16:37

Trump had a fling with Stormy Daniels.

Red Neck: 00:16:41

And

Journalist: 00:16:41

paid her 130, 000.

Red Neck: 00:16:43

Hush money, yes.

Journalist: 00:16:44

And you're voting for him.

Red Neck: 00:16:45

I am.

Red Neck: 00:16:47

My father had affairs too, and I still respect him.

Journalist: 00:16:51

How do you feel about Joe Biden using his

Maga woman: 00:16:53

bone spurs to dodge the Vietnam draft?

Maga woman: 00:16:57

Joe Biden has a problem.

Maga woman: 00:16:58

He isn't an American.

Maga woman: 00:16:59

He isn't a patriot.

Maga woman: 00:17:01

I'm sorry, I asked you, I said Biden and I meant

Journalist: 00:17:03

Trump, so those were things that Oh, Trump?

Journalist: 00:17:06

Trump, yes.

Journalist: 00:17:06

Can I ask you the question again with the right name?

Journalist: 00:17:08

I'm so sorry.

Journalist: 00:17:09

How do you feel about Donald Trump using his bone spurs to dodge the Vietnam draft?

Maga woman: 00:17:13

My brother in law had flat feet.

Maga woman: 00:17:15

I'm sure you cannot go into a military zone, a Vietnam zone, or

Maga woman: 00:17:21

any of the other zones with bad feet.

Maga woman: 00:17:23

Sure.

Maga woman: 00:17:23

You just can't do the job.

Trevor: 00:17:27

I love that one.

Trevor: 00:17:28

Scott, sorry you missed it all.

Trevor: 00:17:30

No, it's okay, I've got it on the end.

Trevor: 00:17:31

Essentially, um, she says, yeah, what Biden dodging the

Trevor: 00:17:36

giraffe because of his flat feet?

Trevor: 00:17:37

You know, bloody coward.

Trevor: 00:17:38

And then Oh, it's Tom Trump.

Trevor: 00:17:41

Shamelessly switching their opinion straight away.

Trevor: 00:17:46

It's just, what can you do?

Trevor: 00:17:48

What can you do with these people?

Trevor: 00:17:50

They're shameless.

Trevor: 00:17:53

They just weren't even embarrassed by it.

Trevor: 00:17:56

Just away they went, with a new story.

Joe: 00:17:59

I think they assumed that the clips were going to be edited

Joe: 00:18:02

and, you know, they weren't going to be shown side by side.

Trevor: 00:18:06

I know, but not even a shame towards the interviewer.

Trevor: 00:18:09

Oh, no.

Trevor: 00:18:10

The way they'd flipped.

Trevor: 00:18:11

So, yeah, anyway, um, that was, uh, That was just instructive, I think,

Trevor: 00:18:19

of the state of affairs, and there are a certain category of MAGA supporters

Trevor: 00:18:23

that you just cannot shift, obviously.

Trevor: 00:18:25

Right, um, ah, anything else before we move on from the debate?

Scott: 00:18:37

There's not much else you can say about it.

Scott: 00:18:39

I mean, it was just, it was quite predictable the way

Scott: 00:18:42

Donald Trump was carrying on.

Joe: 00:18:43

It was funny the way she baited him about the size of his crowds.

Scott: 00:18:47

Oh yeah,

Joe: 00:18:48

that was really well done.

Joe: 00:18:49

And that his rallies were boring.

Joe: 00:18:53

So he couldn't answer the question, he couldn't let that start.

Joe: 00:18:56

Stand unchallenged, so he then just rambled on and proved how

Joe: 00:19:00

boring he was for however long.

Trevor: 00:19:03

Mm hmm.

Trevor: 00:19:03

The Pep, um, podcast went into detail about the whole thing and, um, was

Trevor: 00:19:09

sort of praising, um, Harris for her preparation and her timing, where

Trevor: 00:19:13

her statements filled in her two minutes of allotted time perfectly.

Joe: 00:19:18

So, did you see the whole, she must have been given the questions

Joe: 00:19:22

beforehand, and also she was wearing Bluetooth earrings, not earpods,

Joe: 00:19:27

because there was nothing in her ears that anybody could see on camera,

Joe: 00:19:29

but they could see her earrings, and there were these magical Bluetooth

Joe: 00:19:32

earrings that looked nothing like hers.

Joe: 00:19:35

That, um, apparently allow you to have answers fed to you, and therefore, she

Joe: 00:19:40

would be probably, because she wasn't a rambling, incoherent idiot like Trump was.

Trevor: 00:19:45

Yes.

Trevor: 00:19:47

One of the other things that they said was that, um, the lectern that they stood at,

Trevor: 00:19:54

she had hers slightly smaller than his.

Trevor: 00:19:57

So that when they cropped the, uh, sort of image in, um, She wouldn't look

Trevor: 00:20:02

small in comparison to the lectern, um, so to give her a physical presence

Trevor: 00:20:08

of an equal size, they made sure that the lectern was a slightly smaller one.

Trevor: 00:20:12

So that's good attention to detail to, um, just for the

Trevor: 00:20:17

sort of optics of the situation.

Joe: 00:20:20

Because apparently they were saying with, um, Clinton, he towered over her.

Trevor: 00:20:24

Right.

Trevor: 00:20:25

Yes.

Joe: 00:20:26

Okay.

Joe: 00:20:26

And was quite a confronting presence when he was.

Joe: 00:20:31

Doing his usual bullshit.

Joe: 00:20:33

Yes.

Scott: 00:20:34

Oh, you know, I liked how she just walked up to him and just put her

Scott: 00:20:37

hand out and said, I'm Carmel Harris.

Scott: 00:20:40

Because they'd never

Trevor: 00:20:41

physically met before the era.

Trevor: 00:20:42

No,

Scott: 00:20:42

they'd never actually met.

Scott: 00:20:43

Which is fascinating, isn't it?

Scott: 00:20:45

And

Joe: 00:20:45

apparently he didn't know where to put himself, because

Joe: 00:20:47

apparently he's just not used to people coming up and being polite.

Joe: 00:20:52

So she's been

Trevor: 00:20:53

Vice President for three and a half years, and she never met the

Trevor: 00:20:57

former President in all that time.

Joe: 00:21:00

He refused to come to the inauguration, um, he basically just

Joe: 00:21:06

doesn't turn up to anything, cause generally there are events, deaths,

Joe: 00:21:10

funerals, things like that, that all the former residents turn up to, and

Joe: 00:21:15

apparently he just doesn't do those.

Trevor: 00:21:16

Yes, he's got a golf game to go to, yeah, yeah,

Trevor: 00:21:20

yep, I've got some golf clubs.

Trevor: 00:21:23

Yeah?

Trevor: 00:21:24

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:21:25

I'll tell you a story.

Trevor: 00:21:28

You ready for something?

Trevor: 00:21:29

So for my 60th birthday, little joke here dear listeners, if you don't want the

Trevor: 00:21:33

joke, fast forward two minutes, but for my 60th birthday, the kids gave me, you know,

Trevor: 00:21:38

some money towards a present, you know, buy a surfboard or golf clubs or whatever.

Trevor: 00:21:41

So I decided I was going to buy some golf clubs because my wife plays

Trevor: 00:21:44

golf, wants me to play golf with her.

Trevor: 00:21:46

So, uh, looking online, saw that they were on special at Costco.

Trevor: 00:21:51

Do you guys ever go to Costco?

Scott: 00:21:53

Yeah.

Scott: 00:21:53

No.

Trevor: 00:21:55

Okay, so I didn't have a membership for Costco, but did

Trevor: 00:22:00

my sums, looked at these clubs, thought it's worth paying the extra

Trevor: 00:22:03

65 membership just to get them.

Trevor: 00:22:06

Drove all the way out to Ipswich, 35 minute drive, Scott, to get there.

Trevor: 00:22:10

And I thought, ah, I'd better make sure they're on the shelf before

Trevor: 00:22:14

I pay for this, uh, membership.

Trevor: 00:22:16

Because I don't want to, you You know, waste my time unnecessarily

Trevor: 00:22:20

because I'm a busy man.

Trevor: 00:22:22

Go in the store, see the clubs there, great.

Trevor: 00:22:24

Go back out, sign up for the membership.

Trevor: 00:22:25

Go back in the store, pick up the clubs, walk out.

Trevor: 00:22:29

Quite good customer service there.

Trevor: 00:22:31

Like people are almost cheering you at the door as you walk out.

Trevor: 00:22:34

They're like, oh, you're gonna have a great time mate with those clubs.

Trevor: 00:22:37

Good luck, blah, blah, blah.

Trevor: 00:22:38

Like quite a good experience.

Trevor: 00:22:40

Drive 35 minutes back home.

Trevor: 00:22:43

My wife comes home shortly afterwards and we decide to open up the box

Trevor: 00:22:47

and have a look at the clubs.

Trevor: 00:22:49

Open the box up.

Trevor: 00:22:50

And in the ten piece set, there are only five clubs in the box.

Trevor: 00:22:55

Really?

Trevor: 00:22:56

I was like, ah, shit.

Trevor: 00:22:59

Now, ah, goddammit.

Trevor: 00:23:01

And we needed to go down the coast, blah blah blah.

Trevor: 00:23:03

Ah.

Trevor: 00:23:04

Okay, I'll, I'll, I need to fix this.

Trevor: 00:23:07

I'll drive all the way back to Ipswich, another 35 minutes, sort this out,

Trevor: 00:23:11

drive there, go up to the counter and they go, what are you doing back here?

Trevor: 00:23:14

I said, oh, well this 10 piece set of golf clubs that you sold me,

Trevor: 00:23:18

it's only got five clubs in it.

Trevor: 00:23:20

And they said, oh, that's no good, let's have a look.

Trevor: 00:23:22

Popped it off on the counter, opened the box, and there's only five clubs.

Trevor: 00:23:26

What about under this cardboard flap here?

Joe: 00:23:30

I thought you were going to say that the five T's were the other five pieces.

Trevor: 00:23:34

The box had like a false floor.

Joe: 00:23:37

It's for hiding your drugs in.

Trevor: 00:23:39

And there, sure enough, were the other five clubs.

Trevor: 00:23:44

Yeah, and so I said 70

Joe: 00:23:47

minutes and a lesson in humility later

Trevor: 00:23:49

and Jumped in the car and drove another 35 minutes back home

Trevor: 00:23:53

And there's an hour and a half of my life that I'll never get back again.

Trevor: 00:23:56

So there's a lesson for you.

Trevor: 00:23:57

Do you listen up?

Joe: 00:24:01

Yeah, it's quite good if you're going past either that one or the

Joe: 00:24:04

caboolture one fuel is generally cheaper, all right and If you want some

Joe: 00:24:11

American Mm hmm They do pizza slices and hot dogs with unlimited refills

Joe: 00:24:17

on your soft drinks for stupid money.

Trevor: 00:24:20

Okay.

Trevor: 00:24:21

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:24:22

All right.

Trevor: 00:24:23

Back to the uh, hardcore news politics, sex and religion.

Trevor: 00:24:27

Um, bit about Australia before we move on.

Trevor: 00:24:32

So, we mentioned the other day how our, um, Our National Anti

Trevor: 00:24:38

Corruption Commission decided not to take action against the main

Trevor: 00:24:42

players in the Robodet scandal.

Trevor: 00:24:46

And then shortly afterwards, in the Australian newspaper, Catherine

Trevor: 00:24:52

Campbell in an article with the headline, Robodet Reckoning, I was

Trevor: 00:24:58

their scapegoat, and basically a sob story from Catherine Campbell, sighing.

Trevor: 00:25:04

It's terrible what happened to me.

Trevor: 00:25:07

This is the sort of shit that happens because that National Anti Corruption

Trevor: 00:25:13

Commission didn't take characters like her into a hearing and a proper,

Trevor: 00:25:21

uh, corruption hearing and grill her.

Trevor: 00:25:24

So this is the sort of shit that happens when you don't do your job properly.

Trevor: 00:25:29

Ah, frustrating that she could.

Trevor: 00:25:32

She could claim to be the victim.

Trevor: 00:25:34

She, she is playing the victim card in this.

Trevor: 00:25:37

Mm-Hmm.

Trevor: 00:25:39

. Um, another example of when you have female leadership, it doesn't

Trevor: 00:25:44

necessarily mean any better policy.

Trevor: 00:25:46

I'm not saying it's worse, I'm just saying it's not any better.

Joe: 00:25:49

When your department bullies people to death and you

Joe: 00:25:52

then go, but I'm the victim.

Trevor: 00:25:54

Yep.

Trevor: 00:25:56

Just makes me sick.

Trevor: 00:25:57

Mm.

Trevor: 00:25:58

Oh, I've got the clip here.

Trevor: 00:26:00

Jane Heughn on nuclear power speaking on Insiders.

Trevor: 00:26:05

This is just embarrassing, but this is the calibre of person that the

Trevor: 00:26:08

Liberals are putting up at the moment.

Speers: 00:26:12

What will your plan for nuclear power cost?

Speers: 00:26:15

Have you worked that out yet?

Hume: 00:26:16

So, the government has, sorry, the opposition has been very clear on

Hume: 00:26:21

this one from the beginning that we believe that in the long term, having

Hume: 00:26:26

nuclear as part of our energy mix is the way to get those emissions back down.

Hume: 00:26:32

Down to net zero emissions, but more importantly, having a reliable and

Hume: 00:26:37

efficient and affordable energy mix.

Hume: 00:26:41

And that's what nuclear will be part of that.

Hume: 00:26:43

Well, everywhere around the world we've seen where nuclear power is It's part of

Hume: 00:26:48

that mix that energy prices come down.

Hume: 00:26:51

At the moment, Australians are paying around 56 cents per kilowatt hour in

Hume: 00:26:56

places like Ontario, where nuclear is about 60 percent the world that use

Speers: 00:27:01

nuclear than Ontario, and a lot of them have higher prices.

Speers: 00:27:03

I think Quebec next door.

Speers: 00:27:05

But what's the cost going to be of your policy?

Speers: 00:27:07

Well,

Hume: 00:27:07

hang on.

Hume: 00:27:08

I think the most important thing here, David, is that where nuclear

Hume: 00:27:11

is It's part of the energy mix.

Hume: 00:27:13

We see energy prices come down and in places like Ontario, they

Hume: 00:27:16

have 14 cents per kilowatt hour.

Hume: 00:27:19

In Tennessee, it's around 18 cents per kilowatt hour.

Speers: 00:27:24

What's the cost going to be and when are we going to see this?

Hume: 00:27:26

Well, we'll make our announcement on the cost of our nuclear policy in due

Hume: 00:27:31

course, but in advance of the election.

Hume: 00:27:33

This year?

Hume: 00:27:34

The most important thing here, well in advance of the election, if the election

Trevor: 00:27:39

I don't know about you, but when I'm being bullshitted to, you

Trevor: 00:27:42

know, I like an equal opportunity for both genders to bullshit as well.

Trevor: 00:27:47

You know, an equal opportunity for bullshitting.

Trevor: 00:27:50

Just crap.

Joe: 00:27:53

Yeah, they're not going to do nuclear.

Joe: 00:27:55

They know they're not going to do nuclear.

Joe: 00:27:58

This is just bullshit.

Joe: 00:28:01

Distract away from, hey, renewables are cheap.

Joe: 00:28:05

Let's go to renewables.

Joe: 00:28:06

Oh no, we can't do that.

Trevor: 00:28:07

Yeah, did I have any more on Trump before I move on?

Joe: 00:28:15

Yeah, you haven't done the, um, Kiffness yet.

Joe: 00:28:19

The

Trevor: 00:28:19

which

Joe: 00:28:19

one?

Joe: 00:28:20

The song.

Joe: 00:28:21

The which one?

Trevor: 00:28:22

Oh yes, oh yes.

Trevor: 00:28:23

So dear listeners, I'm going to play the full bit of this at the end of

Trevor: 00:28:27

this, um, of this episode, I think.

Trevor: 00:28:30

But, uh, so Trump's line was, they're killing the dogs, they're killing

Trevor: 00:28:38

the cats, uh, they're killing the pets of the people who live there.

Joe: 00:28:43

Yes.

Trevor: 00:28:44

In Springfield.

Trevor: 00:28:45

And this guy Has done a sort of a bit of a riff on it.

Trevor: 00:28:49

I'll play it and then and then Joe you can explain who he is afterwards, maybe.

Trevor: 00:28:53

I'll play a little bit of this so, uh, here we go.

Trump: 00:28:58

In Springfield, they're eating the dogs.

Trump: 00:29:03

They're eating the cats.

Trump: 00:29:05

They're eating the pets of the people that live there.

Trump: 00:29:10

They're eating the dogs.

Trump: 00:29:13

They're eating the cats.

Trump: 00:29:15

They're eating the pets of the people that live there.

Trump: 00:29:22

People of Springfield, please don't eat my cats.

Trump: 00:29:26

Why would you do that?

Trump: 00:29:29

Eat something

Trump: 00:29:33

People of Springfield, please don't eat my dog.

Trump: 00:29:37

Here's a catalogue of other things to eat.

Trump: 00:29:41

They're eating the dogs.

Trump: 00:29:44

They're eating the cats.

Trump: 00:29:46

They're eating the pets of the people that live there.

Trump: 00:29:50

They're eating the dogs.

Trump: 00:29:53

They're eating the cats.

Trump: 00:29:55

Meow, meow, meow, meow.

Trump: 00:29:57

They're eating the

Muso: 00:29:58

Oh,

Trevor: 00:30:11

it's good.

Trevor: 00:30:11

I'll put the full bit at the end of the audio one, but who is that guy, Joe?

Joe: 00:30:15

So he's known as The Kiffness.

Joe: 00:30:17

He is a South African musician.

Joe: 00:30:19

He, Apparently had had a number of South African chart songs, uh,

Joe: 00:30:26

and then during lockdown he became famous because he was doing, taking

Joe: 00:30:31

Instagram reels and YouTube clips.

Joe: 00:30:35

and of various animals and setting the howls of the animals to music.

Joe: 00:30:42

Very clever.

Joe: 00:30:43

Yeah, um, very, very catchy songs, worth checking out his YouTube channel.

Joe: 00:30:47

There's lots of songs on there.

Trevor: 00:30:48

Yeah, that tune has just been running through my head all day

Trevor: 00:30:52

from when I got the clip ready this morning, so yeah, that sticks in.

Trevor: 00:30:57

So, um, right, um, let's talk about a few other things.

Trevor: 00:31:07

I've been mentioning a lot about US propaganda and how much is going on and

Trevor: 00:31:13

the US Senate just passed a bill HR 1157 It's called Countering the PRC Malign

Trevor: 00:31:24

Influence Fund Countering the People's Republic of China Malign Influence

Trevor: 00:31:30

Fund and And it authorises more than 1.

Trevor: 00:31:34

6 billion for the State Department and USAID over the next five years to, among

Trevor: 00:31:42

other purposes, Subsidised media and civil society sources around the world

Trevor: 00:31:48

that counter Chinese malign influence.

Trevor: 00:31:52

It's essentially 1.

Trevor: 00:31:54

6 billion dollars to, uh, create propaganda in other

Trevor: 00:31:59

countries to counter the Chinese.

Trevor: 00:32:04

And, uh, okay, it's up to America to provide a counter narrative to

Trevor: 00:32:11

whatever the Chinese are saying.

Trevor: 00:32:12

But We know that just a lot of this will be super secretive stuff and

Trevor: 00:32:17

that most people, a lot of this money will go to groups and nobody will

Trevor: 00:32:22

know that they're funded by the US and that they're doing this stuff.

Trevor: 00:32:26

So you might remember, dear listener, if you listened to the whole Venezuela

Trevor: 00:32:30

episode that I went on and on about how much money and time is spent by

Trevor: 00:32:35

the US in, in paying off journalists, in, in owning media groups, and.

Trevor: 00:32:43

This is the sort of bill that enables that, so 1.

Trevor: 00:32:47

6 billion dollars over five years, um, for propaganda, which may well be secretive.

Trevor: 00:32:54

So, and that's just for anti China stuff, so that was passed recently, um,

Trevor: 00:33:02

and sanctions, a little bit about that, because I've also, over the years, dear

Trevor: 00:33:09

listener, been talking about Scott, are you keeping track at all over BRICS and

Trevor: 00:33:16

the move to get away from the US dollar?

Scott: 00:33:20

No, I haven't really kept a track on it.

Scott: 00:33:22

I just know that it's out there and that they, uh, the BRICS are trading in

Scott: 00:33:26

their own currencies, not the US dollar.

Trevor: 00:33:28

Hmm.

Scott: 00:33:29

So So, that would mean that Saudi Arabia would be selling

Scott: 00:33:32

their Oil in Riyadh, wouldn't it?

Trevor: 00:33:35

Whatever their currency is.

Scott: 00:33:37

I think they're called Riyals, aren't they?

Scott: 00:33:39

Not sure,

Trevor: 00:33:40

but essentially places like China, Iran, the Saudis, Russia,

Trevor: 00:33:47

Doing their trade without U.

Trevor: 00:33:49

S.

Trevor: 00:33:50

dollars, and therefore avoiding U.

Trevor: 00:33:52

S.

Trevor: 00:33:52

sanctions.

Trevor: 00:33:53

And this has been a key to U.

Trevor: 00:33:57

S.

Trevor: 00:33:57

power, um, essentially since the Second World War.

Trevor: 00:34:02

So, actually, since the 70s, when they dropped the linkage to gold, and basically

Trevor: 00:34:10

said to the Saudis, You guys can do whatever shit you want to get up to, um,

Trevor: 00:34:14

and charge a good price for your oil.

Trevor: 00:34:16

But, you must sell it in US dollars, and then, um, you're going to

Trevor: 00:34:22

accumulate a lot of US dollars.

Trevor: 00:34:25

And guess what?

Trevor: 00:34:26

It's not like we're going to let you buy lots of US, um, companies, or US assets,

Trevor: 00:34:32

we'll just let you buy US bonds, so, um, that's been the key to US hedge money.

Trevor: 00:34:40

And Donald Trump is aware of Um, the danger of the US

Trevor: 00:34:46

dollar, um, falling out of

Joe: 00:34:48

favour.

Trevor: 00:34:50

Yeah, he's, he's one of the few to talk about it.

Trevor: 00:34:52

So, um, this is his reaction to other countries, other countries

Trevor: 00:35:00

deciding not to use the US dollar in their trade amongst themselves.

Trevor: 00:35:05

Here's what he has to say.

Trump: 00:35:09

And we will keep the U.

Trump: 00:35:10

S.

Trump: 00:35:10

dollar as the world's reserve currency, and it is currently under major siege.

Trump: 00:35:15

Many countries are leaving the dollar.

Trump: 00:35:17

They're not going to leave the dollar with me.

Trump: 00:35:19

I'll say you leave the dollar.

Trump: 00:35:21

You're not doing business with the United States because we're going to put a

Trump: 00:35:24

hundred percent tariff on your goods.

Trump: 00:35:26

I, I I'm very much a traditionalist.

Trump: 00:35:28

I like staying with the dollar.

Trump: 00:35:29

You know that from when I was there, it's make,

Trevor: 00:35:31

make

Trump: 00:35:32

the dollar the choice.

Trump: 00:35:34

I hate when.

Trump: 00:35:36

Countries go off the dollar.

Trump: 00:35:37

I would not allow countries to go off the dollar, because when we lose that standard

Trump: 00:35:43

that will be like losing a revolutionary war, that will be, that will be a hit

Trump: 00:35:48

to our country, just like losing a war, and we can't let that happen, and too

Trump: 00:35:54

many countries now are fighting for that.

Joe: 00:35:57

Now, you saw the background of that said.

Joe: 00:36:01

Former President Trump on crypto.

Joe: 00:36:03

He's actually been talking about the US government getting involved in Bitcoin.

Joe: 00:36:09

For what?

Joe: 00:36:11

Because, you know, it's important that the US government not be tied to the dollar.

Trevor: 00:36:16

Ah, for God's sake.

Trevor: 00:36:18

Let's just put crypto aside for one moment.

Trevor: 00:36:22

They're essentially, he is essentially saying, all you other countries, you

Trevor: 00:36:26

can't do what you want to, if, if the UK sells and buys something with Germany,

Trevor: 00:36:34

you know, and transactions that were formerly in US dollars, you've got to

Trevor: 00:36:37

keep doing it in US dollars, and, and we're just going to force you to do it.

Trevor: 00:36:42

It's just, these guys have such a crazy, shameless power trip about

Trevor: 00:36:47

the US controlling everything.

Trevor: 00:36:49

So, That is, uh, dear listener, one of my pet theories is, um,

Trevor: 00:36:56

is that the end of the empire is

Joe: 00:37:00

Almost as big a currency and used for international deals as well.

Trevor: 00:37:04

What's that?

Joe: 00:37:05

The euro has taken on quite a lot of what was historically US dollars.

Trevor: 00:37:11

Yeah, well, it's the loss of that US dollar power that is going to

Trevor: 00:37:16

be the final That's really going to.

Trevor: 00:37:19

set the US back so that's happening more and more and there's something

Trevor: 00:37:24

like nearly 100 countries interested in joining BRICS and so there's a lot

Trevor: 00:37:30

of interest in that group so that will cause the downfall of the American

Trevor: 00:37:34

empire eventually will be the loss of the US dollar as the default currency

Trevor: 00:37:40

Oh, what else have they been up to?

Trevor: 00:37:43

Um, they just stole Maduro's plane.

Trevor: 00:37:49

President of Venezuela, his plane was in the Dominican Republic.

Trevor: 00:37:54

So US officials just jumped on board and stole it and flew it back to America.

Trevor: 00:38:01

Because that's what you do.

Trevor: 00:38:02

Um, but you know.

Trevor: 00:38:06

They just pinched it, did they?

Trevor: 00:38:07

Yes, just stole it.

Trevor: 00:38:10

Because they said that it was against their sanctions.

Trevor: 00:38:13

So somehow Maduro had convinced somebody to sell.

Trevor: 00:38:16

This plane to him, and the US said, well that's against our sanctions,

Trevor: 00:38:21

so we're not allowing that to happen, we're just confiscating it.

Trevor: 00:38:25

But really it's nothing in the scheme of things, because they've previously

Trevor: 00:38:27

stolen Venezuela's gold reserves and their oil refinery company, Citgo.

Trevor: 00:38:33

So, um, it's just a small, a small matter in the scheme of things.

Trevor: 00:38:40

Um, here's an interesting one, Scott.

Trevor: 00:38:43

Thanks, Scott.

Trevor: 00:38:44

You know, the US military sometimes put things out to tender, um, they're

Trevor: 00:38:49

offering a contract for research.

Trevor: 00:38:52

It's always good to have some research done, on the face of it.

Trevor: 00:38:56

Unfortunately, the research that the US military has requested

Trevor: 00:39:01

is on the effects of nuclear weapons on agricultural systems.

Trevor: 00:39:06

And the modelling that they particularly are interested in, uh, is it must include

Trevor: 00:39:11

former Eastern Bloc countries and regions beyond Eastern Europe and Western Russia.

Trevor: 00:39:18

So that is the specific research they want done on the effect of nuclear weapons.

Trevor: 00:39:26

Openly, shamelessly tendering for that research.

Joe: 00:39:32

So they must be planning on I know, but maybe they're concerned

Joe: 00:39:36

that a former Soviet nuke goes off and

Trevor: 00:39:40

Yes.

Trevor: 00:39:41

Inadvertently.

Trevor: 00:39:42

Self harms.

Joe: 00:39:44

But if you've seen the quality of some of their other maintenance Yes.

Trevor: 00:39:49

Joe, you should be working for the US military with, um

Trevor: 00:39:52

With that sort of excuse making?

Trevor: 00:39:56

Yeah.

Joe: 00:39:56

It's kind of, I mean, I wouldn't read anything into it because the

Joe: 00:40:00

US have war plans to invade Britain.

Joe: 00:40:04

Uh, you know, any country, they have a war plan for it.

Joe: 00:40:09

Yes.

Joe: 00:40:09

They're just ass covering.

Trevor: 00:40:13

Asking for the effects of nuclear weapons on agricultural systems in the

Trevor: 00:40:17

Eastern Bloc is really saying, what will happen to the agriculture if we bomb them?

Trevor: 00:40:25

Isn't that really what it's about?

Trevor: 00:40:25

But

Joe: 00:40:26

I'm sure they've got the same for the US as well.

Joe: 00:40:28

What happens if we get bombed?

Trevor: 00:40:30

Yeah, well that's okay.

Joe: 00:40:36

Or what happens if Russia and China get into a shooting war?

Trevor: 00:40:39

Do you know what, Joe, I reckon they're starting to talk about

Trevor: 00:40:41

strategic nuclear bombings, like just a small scale nuclear war is what you

Trevor: 00:40:47

tend to hear about a little bit now.

Scott: 00:40:50

Who's talking about strategic nukes?

Scott: 00:40:51

I mean, I know the Russians have threatened them all the time, but

Joe: 00:40:54

Do the Americans even have strategic nukes?

Joe: 00:40:58

Battlefield nukes?

Scott: 00:40:59

I do believe they've got, I think they do have battlefield nukes

Scott: 00:41:03

and they've also got, now I saw some pictures of this, so don't, don't

Scott: 00:41:07

quite, don't take this with a, um, take this with a huge grain of salt.

Scott: 00:41:12

There was actually a artillery piece that they fired a small nuclear

Scott: 00:41:17

weapon out of, it flew over and then you ended up with a mushroom cloud.

Scott: 00:41:21

It was a very small mushroom cloud.

Scott: 00:41:24

But it was a artillery unit that fired a nuclear weapon.

Scott: 00:41:30

So that was something the Yanks actually did back when they still

Scott: 00:41:34

had atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons and that type of thing.

Joe: 00:41:38

Yeah.

Joe: 00:41:39

And then they discovered that the safe range was almost.

Joe: 00:41:43

Basically further than the artillery piece could fire.

Scott: 00:41:47

Absolutely.

Scott: 00:41:48

So they, uh, you know, they've probably still got them and they've

Scott: 00:41:51

got, you know, they've got, uh, safety and that sort of thing that means

Scott: 00:41:56

that the entire artillery crew has to wear a Nuclear protective stuff.

Trevor: 00:42:01

So this is like a hand grenade, so powerful that it blows up anything

Trevor: 00:42:05

within throwing range distance.

Joe: 00:42:07

Basically, yes.

Joe: 00:42:08

Which is why they abandoned it.

Joe: 00:42:10

They developed it and then abandoned it because it was too bloody dangerous.

Joe: 00:42:13

Uh, yeah.

Trevor: 00:42:17

So, um, look we've just rolled over another anniversary of 9 11.

Trevor: 00:42:22

Mm hmm.

Trevor: 00:42:22

And, uh, I don't know about you, but I spend a little bit

Trevor: 00:42:26

of time on Twitter these days.

Trevor: 00:42:27

And, fortunately, I use Twitter Lists, so I'm not Looking at the open Twittersphere,

Trevor: 00:42:33

but if I click on the wrong tab and end up in the open Twittersphere, so

Trevor: 00:42:38

many, so many conspiracy theorists arguing that the towers were blown

Trevor: 00:42:44

up by bombs rather than by planes.

Trevor: 00:42:47

Uh, it's scary.

Joe: 00:42:49

Well, you know, jet fuel doesn't burn at the temperature to melt steel.

Trevor: 00:42:53

Yeah, all that stuff.

Trevor: 00:42:54

All that stuff is going on in there.

Trevor: 00:42:57

What a shit show that is in there.

Trevor: 00:42:59

And of course, on that open tab, there's always at the top, Elon

Joe: 00:43:04

Musk.

Joe: 00:43:04

Of course.

Trevor: 00:43:05

Who is promoting Trump these days.

Trevor: 00:43:07

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:43:07

Like, he's basically saying, uh, what is he saying?

Trevor: 00:43:11

Things like, um, I've never been materially They're

Joe: 00:43:14

eating the dogs.

Trevor: 00:43:15

Yes.

Trevor: 00:43:15

He says, I've never been This is, uh, Musk says, I've never been materially active

Trevor: 00:43:20

in politics before, but this time I think civilisation as we know it is on the line.

Trevor: 00:43:25

If we want to preserve freedom and a meritocracy in

Trevor: 00:43:27

America, then Trump must win.

Joe: 00:43:30

He doesn't believe in freedom or a meritocracy.

Trevor: 00:43:32

No.

Joe: 00:43:33

Famously.

Trevor: 00:43:35

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:43:35

So, that's what, uh, Musk is doing on Trump.

Trevor: 00:43:41

And I think Trump has actually, um, talked about, uh, Musk being appointed

Trevor: 00:43:46

as some sort of czar for improving efficiency in the public service.

Joe: 00:43:50

Probably, given the way he's fucked up Twitter.

Trevor: 00:43:54

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:43:55

So, yeah, another 9 11 anniversary has rolled by.

Trevor: 00:43:58

Of course, we've got to remember that this all then led to, um,

Trevor: 00:44:04

various invasions by America.

Trevor: 00:44:07

And you have to ask, well, what was the connection between the bombing of the

Trevor: 00:44:14

Buildings, well, not the bombing, sorry, the planes flying into the buildings

Trevor: 00:44:18

and the subsequent wars that were conducted and this is a General Wesley

Trevor: 00:44:24

Clark Retired four star US Army general.

Trevor: 00:44:29

He was the supreme allied commander of NATO during the 1999 war on Yugoslavia so

Trevor: 00:44:37

a four star army general and this is what he had to say about Um, what was going on

Trevor: 00:44:45

in the corridors of power just after 9 11?

General: 00:44:50

About 10 days after 9 11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary

General: 00:44:54

Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz.

General: 00:44:57

I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint

General: 00:45:00

Staff who used to work for me.

General: 00:45:02

And one of the generals called me and he said, Sir, you gotta Come in, you

General: 00:45:05

gotta come in and talk to me a second.

General: 00:45:06

I said, well, you're too busy.

General: 00:45:07

He said, no, no.

General: 00:45:08

He says, We've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq.

General: 00:45:13

This was on or about the 20th of September.

General: 00:45:16

I said, we're going to war with Iraq?

General: 00:45:18

Why?

General: 00:45:20

He said, I don't know.

General: 00:45:23

He said, I guess they don't know what else to do.

General: 00:45:27

So, I said, well, did they find some information collect,

General: 00:45:30

connecting Saddam to Al Qaeda?

General: 00:45:32

He said, No, no, he says, there's nothing new that way, they just made

General: 00:45:36

the decision to go to war with Iraq.

General: 00:45:38

He said, I guess it's like, we don't know what to do about terrorists,

General: 00:45:42

but we've got a good military and we can take down governments.

General: 00:45:46

And, um, he said, I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every

General: 00:45:50

problem has to look like a nail.

General: 00:45:52

So, I came back to see him a few weeks later.

General: 00:45:56

And by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan.

General: 00:45:58

I said, are we still going to war with Iraq?

General: 00:46:00

And he said, oh, it's worse than that.

General: 00:46:02

He said, he reached over on his desk, he picked up a piece of paper, and he said,

General: 00:46:05

I just, he said, I just got this down from upstairs, meeting the Secretary of

General: 00:46:08

Defense's office today, and he said, this is a memo that describes how we're going

General: 00:46:12

to take out seven countries in five years.

General: 00:46:16

Starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia,

General: 00:46:20

Sudan, and finishing off Iran.

General: 00:46:24

I said, is it classified?

General: 00:46:25

He said, yes, sir.

General: 00:46:27

I said, I said, well, don't show it to me.

General: 00:46:32

And I saw him a year or so ago.

General: 00:46:34

And I said, you remember that?

General: 00:46:35

He said, sorry, I didn't show you that memo.

General: 00:46:37

I didn't show it to you.

Trevor: 00:46:38

Scott,

Trevor: 00:46:44

I was just looking for excuses to drop bombs.

Scott: 00:46:48

It's

Trevor: 00:46:49

just, it's

Scott: 00:46:50

one of those things.

Scott: 00:46:51

Have they, have they not have kept, have they not have taken their eye

Scott: 00:46:53

off the main goal, which was to.

Scott: 00:46:56

Deal with Afghanistan, which is to deal with the Taliban.

Scott: 00:47:01

They would have actually got bin Laden fairly quickly They would have

Scott: 00:47:04

executed him and everything else.

Scott: 00:47:06

It would have been over, but they got distracted on this Iraq's Iraq side show

Scott: 00:47:12

They went and invaded that country which there was no reason to invade them you

Scott: 00:47:17

know because Saddam was never a was never a country that was Good for the Al Qaeda

Scott: 00:47:24

or anywhere else, you know, it's just a, it was a thing that they actually said,

Scott: 00:47:30

I had heard somewhere before that, um, one of them was actually asked about a

Scott: 00:47:35

war in Afghanistan and they said, well, there's no point bombing that, they're

Scott: 00:47:38

already in the Stone Ages, you know.

Scott: 00:47:41

Um, It's they had to look for something that was a little more sophisticated,

Scott: 00:47:47

so they came up with Iraq, and they said, well, let's go in there.

Scott: 00:47:50

And I just think it was, um, George W.

Scott: 00:47:53

wanted to do what his old man didn't, didn't do, you know.

Trevor: 00:47:57

Now last week, you were, um, sort of thinking that

Trevor: 00:48:01

Kamala Harris was a bit more,

Trevor: 00:48:06

not so happy with the Israelis over what they're doing in Gaza.

Trevor: 00:48:10

Yeah, that was part of it.

Trevor: 00:48:11

Yeah, so I've just got two clips of where Harris is talking about.

Trevor: 00:48:17

So this was her at the convention.

Harris: 00:48:21

Let me be clear, I will always stand up for Israel's right to defend

Harris: 00:48:28

itself and I will ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself because

Harris: 00:48:36

the people of Israel must never again face the horror that a terrorist

Harris: 00:48:42

organisation called Hamas caused on

Trevor: 00:48:46

our country.

Trevor: 00:48:47

So, um

Trevor: 00:48:51

That sounded pretty forceful in her support.

Trevor: 00:48:55

Yeah,

Scott: 00:48:55

yeah, I just think she was actually saying it.

Scott: 00:48:57

Anyway, I really wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't actually

Scott: 00:49:01

change the American line on that.

Scott: 00:49:04

I just thought that she had said some stuff that was a little more,

Scott: 00:49:09

not pro Palestinian, but actually saying, you know, you've got to,

Scott: 00:49:14

you've got to actually, you've got to actually stop shooting.

Scott: 00:49:18

And she hasn't actually, she hasn't actually linked it and said, well, if

Scott: 00:49:21

you don't stop shooting, I'm gonna stop delivering arms to you or anything else?

Trevor: 00:49:24

No.

Trevor: 00:49:24

She simply said there has to be a ceasefire.

Trevor: 00:49:26

But she hasn't said anything about doing stuff to make that happen.

Trevor: 00:49:30

No, I know that so,

Scott: 00:49:32

but it is, it is preferable to what Biden had been saying.

Trevor: 00:49:35

Well, he was probably saying that there has to be a ceasefire, but he just

Trevor: 00:49:38

wasn't gonna do anything about it either.

Trevor: 00:49:39

And at the same time saying, no, I didn't

Scott: 00:49:41

say that.

Scott: 00:49:41

He didn't actually say there had to be a ceasefire.

Scott: 00:49:43

He said, you know, we've gotta have it.

Scott: 00:49:44

I didn't

Trevor: 00:49:45

like one.

Scott: 00:49:46

Yeah, okay.

Scott: 00:49:47

Yeah, fair enough.

Trevor: 00:49:49

Yeah, so, you should have played that long, Trev.

Trevor: 00:49:53

I don't know what that meant.

Trevor: 00:49:56

Anyway, um, where were we?

Trevor: 00:49:59

Um, so yeah, Kamala Harris, I think, fairly bullish on supporting Israel.

Trevor: 00:50:05

Not expecting any major changes there.

Trevor: 00:50:08

Um, going around the world, here's an interesting one, Scott and Joe.

Trevor: 00:50:14

Sweden is going to offer migrants 34, 000.

Trevor: 00:50:20

To go home.

Trevor: 00:50:25

So, a right wing government in Sweden has, and they've had to come into

Trevor: 00:50:31

a coalition with a far right party.

Trevor: 00:50:34

And, um, that's the latest policy coming out of Sweden.

Trevor: 00:50:38

So, I don't know where a migrant comes from, but if you had 34,

Trevor: 00:50:44

000 in a poor country, you could get a fair way along with that.

Trevor: 00:50:48

It's insane.

Trevor: 00:50:50

Um, uh, John says she added a bit more to what she was saying.

Trevor: 00:50:55

Eye game.

Trevor: 00:50:56

Sorry, are you suggesting that she was, um, going to do something about Israel?

Trevor: 00:51:01

Because I'll play another clip before I move on.

Trevor: 00:51:03

Back to Harris in an interview.

Trevor: 00:51:04

Here's the longer one.

Journalist: 00:51:07

President Biden has tried unsuccessfully, uh, to end the war

Journalist: 00:51:11

between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.

Journalist: 00:51:13

He's been doing it for months and months.

Journalist: 00:51:15

Along with you.

Journalist: 00:51:17

Would you do anything differently?

Journalist: 00:51:18

For example, would you withhold some U.

Journalist: 00:51:21

S.

Journalist: 00:51:21

weapons shipments to Israel?

Journalist: 00:51:22

That's what a lot of people on the progressive left want you to do.

Harris: 00:51:27

Let me be very clear.

Harris: 00:51:28

I am unequivocal and unwavering in my commitment to Israel's defense

Harris: 00:51:34

and its ability to defend itself.

Harris: 00:51:36

And that's not going to change.

Harris: 00:51:38

But let's take a step back.

Harris: 00:51:41

October 7th, 1,

Harris: 00:51:45

200 people are massacred.

Harris: 00:51:47

Many young people who are simply attending a music festival.

Harris: 00:51:53

Women were horribly raped.

Harris: 00:51:56

As I said then, I say today.

Harris: 00:51:58

Israel had a right, has a right to defend itself.

Harris: 00:52:01

We would.

Harris: 00:52:02

And how it does so matters.

Harris: 00:52:06

Far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed.

Harris: 00:52:10

And we have got to get a deal done.

Harris: 00:52:14

We were in Doha.

Harris: 00:52:17

We have to get a deal done.

Harris: 00:52:19

This war must end, and we must get a deal that is about getting the hostages out.

Harris: 00:52:26

I've met with the families of the American hostages.

Harris: 00:52:29

Let's get the hostages out.

Harris: 00:52:30

Let's get the ceasefire done.

Harris: 00:52:32

But no change in policy, in terms of arms and, and so forth?

Harris: 00:52:37

No, we have to get a deal done.

Harris: 00:52:39

Dana, we have to get a deal done.

Harris: 00:52:41

When you look at The significance of this to the families, to the

Harris: 00:52:46

people who are living in that region.

Harris: 00:52:49

Um, a deal is not only the right thing to do to end this war, but will unlock

Harris: 00:52:56

so much of what must happen next.

Harris: 00:52:58

I remain committed, since I've been on October 8th, to what we must do

Harris: 00:53:03

to work toward a two state solution.

Harris: 00:53:06

Where Israel is secure, and in equal measure, the Palestinians have

Harris: 00:53:11

security and self determination.

Trevor: 00:53:17

In other words,

Joe: 00:53:18

she's not going to do anything.

Joe: 00:53:21

In other words, the Jewish lobby is too strong in America.

Trevor: 00:53:24

She was asked, what are you going to do different to Joe Biden?

Trevor: 00:53:28

Nothing.

Trevor: 00:53:29

Are you going to stop supply of arms?

Trevor: 00:53:32

No.

Trevor: 00:53:33

Israel's got the right to defend itself.

Trevor: 00:53:35

We must have a ceasefire, is all she could say.

Trevor: 00:53:38

Well, that's it.

Trevor: 00:53:41

So John, I don't know what she might have said in some other clip.

Trevor: 00:53:45

Um, I haven't intentionally cut anything out from what I've seen.

Trevor: 00:53:48

I don't know.

Trevor: 00:53:49

But I don't think she's going to make any difference at all to that.

Trevor: 00:53:52

I hope to be surprised, pleasantly, but, uh, don't think so.

Trevor: 00:53:56

So, yeah.

Trevor: 00:53:58

Ah, what else have we got here?

Trevor: 00:54:00

Um, Um, ah, I think the rest of the ones are a little bit too long.

Trevor: 00:54:10

I'm gonna, actually, I came across, I was telling the guys earlier, dear listener,

Trevor: 00:54:15

it's an AI thing called Notebook LM.

Trevor: 00:54:17

Notebook LM.

Trevor: 00:54:18

And basically imagine you have written a 500 word essay on something.

Trevor: 00:54:24

You can give this essay to this AI program and it will construct

Trevor: 00:54:30

a little mini podcast of two people talking about the essay.

Trevor: 00:54:35

So this is designed for people who don't like reading and want stuff read to them

Trevor: 00:54:40

or talked about in an entertaining way.

Trevor: 00:54:43

And, um Anyway, I had just in my notes a little summary I'd made about, um,

Trevor: 00:54:49

my views on, uh, foreign affairs and I gave it to this AI program and I made

Trevor: 00:54:58

all sorts of assertions and predictions and, as you can imagine, in this thing,

Trevor: 00:55:03

and pretty much they talked about them all as being, oh yes, that's an

Trevor: 00:55:06

interesting idea, or yeah, that's um, a useful point, or you know, yeah.

Trevor: 00:55:10

toing and froing over it, and the one bit in there I had put about, um, uh, if

Trevor: 00:55:18

the US loses power and the, um, there's no longer military support for Israel,

Trevor: 00:55:23

then the Arab states might, uh, enter and, and, and militarily wipe Israel out.

Trevor: 00:55:30

And they spent an enormous amount of time in this pseudo podcast talking

Trevor: 00:55:36

about how that was an inflammatory statement and people should be really

Trevor: 00:55:40

careful about making such statements.

Trevor: 00:55:42

And, and it's not necessarily a view that anybody should endorse and like

Trevor: 00:55:46

really put all these caveats on it.

Trevor: 00:55:47

That was quite extraordinary.

Trevor: 00:55:49

I think I'm going to put a little bonus episode in at some stage in the next

Trevor: 00:55:53

week where I'll read out my little essay and then I'll, then I'll play

Trevor: 00:55:58

this pseudo, sort of podcast episode.

Trevor: 00:56:02

And it's just interesting the way that AI has, has, um, has changed

Trevor: 00:56:10

the intent and tried to change the meaning of what I was saying and

Joe: 00:56:14

Yeah, I mean, it depends what it was trained on.

Joe: 00:56:17

Yes.

Joe: 00:56:18

It's trained on a lot of information that Hedge thinks about, but

Joe: 00:56:21

also they put up guardrails.

Joe: 00:56:23

And so it can't be Literally told to do this or to not do that.

Trevor: 00:56:29

And, um, so I guess where I'm heading to is, as mainstream media

Trevor: 00:56:34

disappears over time, and we've just got independent sort of podcasters and

Trevor: 00:56:41

whatnot operating, more and more as people use AI to create stuff, there's the risk

Trevor: 00:56:49

that the people who make these AI Um, software programs are going to tailor

Trevor: 00:56:57

it to colour the material in a certain way and so we'll still be influenced

Trevor: 00:57:05

by powerful forces if independent media allows these things to happen.

Trevor: 00:57:12

This has

Joe: 00:57:12

been the thing about ChatGPT since the beginning, was right wing

Joe: 00:57:16

saying, Oh, it's told to do this, and it's told not to You know,

Joe: 00:57:19

it's got a left wing slant on it.

Joe: 00:57:22

Has long been an argument of the right wing since ChatGPT came out.

Joe: 00:57:28

You know, basically complaining that they couldn't get it to say racist things,

Joe: 00:57:31

or whatever it was they wanted it to do.

Joe: 00:57:34

So they then Produced jailbroken versions that didn't have any of the

Joe: 00:57:38

god rails up and it becomes a raging fascist within about three weeks

Trevor: 00:57:43

Yep.

Trevor: 00:57:44

Yeah, so if you're not listening to the um, if you're not getting the audio

Trevor: 00:57:48

podcast please do and You'll hear it at some stage over the next week where

Trevor: 00:57:54

I'll slip it in as some sort of bonus episode But I found it very interesting.

Trevor: 00:57:57

So yeah Well, I've got to get going.

Trevor: 00:58:02

Um, anything else you guys need to add or we're ready to go?

Scott: 00:58:04

No, I'm ready to go.

Trevor: 00:58:06

Oh, good.

Trevor: 00:58:06

Okay.

Trevor: 00:58:07

All right.

Trevor: 00:58:08

Thank you in the chat room to, uh, to John and to who else has been in there?

Trevor: 00:58:13

Um, I know Alison appeared at one stage and, um, Don Tovey and, um, John was

Trevor: 00:58:23

really getting into it, weren't you?

Trevor: 00:58:25

And Shay was there at one point.

Trevor: 00:58:26

So, thanks for being in the chat room.

Trevor: 00:58:28

We'll be back next week.

Trevor: 00:58:30

Bye for now.

Scott: 00:58:32

And it's a good night from me.

Scott: 00:58:33

And it's a good night from him.

Scott: 00:58:35

Good night.

Trump: 00:58:36

In Springfield, they're eating the dogs.

Trump: 00:58:40

They're eating the cats.

Trump: 00:58:42

They're eating the pets of the people that live there.

Trump: 00:58:48

They're eating the dogs.

Trump: 00:58:50

They're eating the cats.

Trump: 00:58:53

They're eating the pets of the people that live there.

Trump: 00:59:00

People of Springfield, please don't eat my cats.

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Why would you do that?

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Eat something else.

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People of Springfield, please don't eat my dog.

Trump: 00:59:14

Here's a catalogue of other things to eat.

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They're eating the dogs.

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They're eating the cats.

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They're eating the pets of the people that live there.

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They're eating the dogs.

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They're eating the cats.

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They're eating the pets of the people that live.

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They're

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eating the dogs,

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they're eating the cats.

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They're

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the dogs.

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They're eating the cats.

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They're eating the pets of the people that.

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They're eating the dogs.

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They're eating the cats.

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They're eating the pets of the people that live there.