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Episode 376 - The Military Industrial Complex Wins Again

In this episode we discuss:

(00:00) Introduction

(03:33) $368bn Submarine Deal

(43:37) Religious News

(56:05) Gary Lineker

(01:08:17) NSW Future Fund

(01:10:48) Shepherd Centre

(01:13:28) RoboDebt

(01:20:39) Nordstream Theory

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Suburban Eastern Australia.

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An environment that has over time evolved some extraordinarily

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unique groups of Homo Sapians.

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But today we observe a small tribe akin to a group of mere cats that gather together

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a top, a small mound to watch question and discuss the current events of their city,

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their country, and their world at large.

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Let's listen keenly and observe this group fondly known as the

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Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.

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Yes.

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Thank you, sir David, for that introduction.

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We're back for a regular podcast notebook review.

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Tonight it's back to the normal review of what's happened.

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, well in this case, in the previous two weeks.

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This is the Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove podcast.

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I'm Trevor, a k a, the Iron Fist, all the way from regional Queensland on the line.

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the Velvet Glove.

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Scott, how are you, Scott?

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Good, thanks.

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Trevor.

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Goodday.

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Joe Goodday.

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Trevor Goodday listeners.

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How are you all?

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We are well.

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I was fine until I read about a submarine announcement, but we'll get onto that.

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Joe, the tech guy, holiness, how are you?

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You are good.

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Good.

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Right.

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So yes, I nearly, I was gonna say I nearly had a heart attack when I

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saw the submarine announcement, but I didn't because my expectations

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of this labor government are pretty low and getting lower by the minute.

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So we're gonna talk about the submarine deal.

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We're gonna talk about The whole China scare campaign that's been going on in

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the age and the Sydney Morning Herald.

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We'll talk about some religious stuff, religious instruction in

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Queensland, lots of coverage of that.

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Gary Linnea, former English footballer, had a run in with the bbc, which I

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find is a really interesting story.

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Much bunch of different things.

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Maybe get to some media shortcomings, maybe get to the

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latest Nord Stream theories.

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I sent the guys sort of, I reconfigured the notes and sent it

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to them in an email and I thought, gentlemen, how long that is?

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And I looked at it and it was 46 pages.

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So if we get through every topic, we'll probably be here for another six hours.

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So, , we won't do that to you.

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We'll see how we go.

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It wasn't just Gary Lin, it was also So David Attenborough Yes.

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As well.

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So a whole bunch of people.

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Well, It was a very interesting situation.

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So we're, we've got a lot to cover if you're in the chat room saying, well,

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I did think it was rare, amusing that the Brits were criticizing their own

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government for instituting basically what Australia has instituted.

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Yes.

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You know, which is I'm not sure what that says about us.

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It probably says that we're a pack of pricks, which I've got.

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No, well, we didn't have a famous doubt, much beloved footballer who

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made a noise about it at the time.

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In a really powerful position, probably.

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No, exactly.

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We'll get onto that.

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But footballers, I mean, another ethical conundrum with freedom of

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speech, workplace rights, there's no stopping these footballs when

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it comes to ethical conundrums.

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It's, it's an amazing source of, of material.

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So, yeah.

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In the chat room we've got Andrew and John and David say hello if you're there.

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And yeah.

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We'll incorporate your comments if we can as we go along.

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So, see us coming to in the leafy western suburbs of Brisbane.

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Scott's in regional Queensland, and Joe's in the less leafy northern

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suburbs of Brisbane, Queensland.

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I won't say Australia.

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Perhaps I should refer to Australia as the US South Pacific Command now.

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No, it's not that bad, . I think that's what we've deteriorating into.

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So the big announcement today was that under this orcas agreement and the details

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are a bit shady, but it seems like we are committing to spend between now and 2050.

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Are you sitting down?

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Dear, dear listener, 368 billion at the top end.

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in order to acquire eight submarines nuclear power apparently.

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And that's just the budget.

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When you say the top end, what you say?

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The, you said the top figure or what'd you say?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They said between 260 and 360.

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Yeah.

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And I mean, defense contracts always run on time and on budget.

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Of course they do.

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There's no chance that this would be even double or triple that amount.

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Scott, we talked about submarine so much over the years.

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It had cropped up in Yeah, I'm getting a little bit bored with it.

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Yeah, it cropped up in nearly episode six or seven I reckon.

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And, and at the time of the Abbott government, they announced

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50 billion for 12 submarines.

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And we talked about it so much that I knew off by heart that

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50 divided by 12 was 4.16.

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We talked about it so much.

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That's a figure in my head.

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And at the time that was an outrageous figure.

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4 billion when we could buy.

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Yeah.

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I remember at the time you were saying, yeah, I remember at the time you were

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saying that, you know, they, they probably wanted eight, but they, they thought to

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themselves, I'll put it in an ambit claim and asked for 12 and then they fell over

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themselves when the government agreed.

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Yeah.

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And, and that was an over the top crazy figure given that we could buy

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them for 1 billion or a bit over 1 billion each from Japan, for example.

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Japan, smaller ones.

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Mm-hmm.

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. So, so already 4.16 was well above what we should have been

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paying of a bit over 1 billion.

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And now we are up to what does a figure come to when you get 368 billion divide?

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Well, 400 would be 50 each.

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So it's 46 billion.

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46 billion submarine.

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And they're not even the right submarines.

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Scott, you say you're bored with a topic you find, you find the topic boring.

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Not really.

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It's just that I find the media, the media handling of this is, is ridiculous.

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Like the age and that sort of stuff.

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Their front page was absolutely crazy.

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We had this picture of China with jets flying out of it and that sort of thing,

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and they're saying, Australia must prepare for the threat of war with China.

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You know, it's I would've thought that cooler heads will prevail eventually.

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And that don't look at me like that Trevor.

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I just think that they will, they will prevail eventually.

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And that when the greens get into power, well, I hope not, but anyway

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that's the only way it's gonna happen.

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Sorry.

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That's the only, that's the only way it's gonna happen.

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When you say cooler heads, we've, we've had Okay.

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But China and the United States have been walking this tight

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road for a very long time.

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And I would've thought that the two countries are big enough and

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ugly enough to resolve these things peacefully rather than getting involved

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in a scrap, because both sides know that the war that would come would

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be bloody and it would be very long.

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Mm-hmm.

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. And that there is no guarantee that either side would be successful.

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Mm-hmm.

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, but both sides, again, have very, very significant casualties.

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So I would've thought that both sides would understand that both

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sides would want to walk away from a, a potential conflict.

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The problem is, even if they do walk away from it, that's all peace and harmony.

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We would've spent 368 billion on eight seven.

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Yeah.

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Which is a ridiculous amount.

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No, no, no, no.

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Hang on.

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Because we're gonna have eight nuclear power plants that we

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can park off the coast to do.

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So when our coal fired PLA power system falls into ape on the ground, , yeah.

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We can make some hydrogen.

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We can.

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Or something like that.

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Maybe.

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Yeah, look the shovel, it is a, it is a ridiculous, it is a ridiculous sum

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of money that they have just agreed.

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It is.

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I would, now that's 368 billion apparently includes now I could

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be wrong, but apparently it's got something about upgrading the bases

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and that sort of stuff in Western Australia and also the eastern seaboard.

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Mm-hmm.

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. So that's apparently to give the yanks the ability to project their powers

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and that sort of stuff down here in the southern, in the Southern Pacific.

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But 368 billion is an eye watering amount of money.

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It's a criminal amount of money.

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What we could do with that, and also we'll get into it, but

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it's actually counterproductive.

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We're actually less safe because of these submarines because as we've mentioned

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over the previous 375 episodes on way too many occasions, these nuclear

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powered submarines are designed for.

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Heading over to the South China Sea and firing missiles at China.

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It's not about defending Australia.

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These guys are designed for attacking China.

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So we're actually spending money to make ourselves more of a target.

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If we had acquired cheap off the shelf Japanese subs that are defensive

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in nature and designed to sit in the shallow waters on our northern

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coastline, we could say to the ch, the Chinese, look, nothing to worry about.

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These are defensive subs.

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If you don't attack us, you don't have a problem.

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Meanwhile, the Chinese will look at these subs and go, what the fuck?

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By the way, language warning on this episode, dear listener, cuz

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this really rolls me up, this topic.

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So there will be plenty of F words dropped in this one or F bombs.

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Look, the Chinese could you know, really should say what the hell,

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Australia attack submarines.

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For the clear purpose of attacking China, we would've been fine, but defensive ones.

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But this is an act of aggression.

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So the we're spending the money that actually makes us less safe.

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That's, that's all part of the criminal action that this is, this deal.

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So, actually the shovel had the right idea.

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They, they released a report which said Australia has canceled it's

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368 billion submarine purchase.

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Just hours after announcing it after someone realized it would be cheaper

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just to give China 300 billion in return for an agreement, not to invade

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Yeah.

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But Ro Russia had one of those with Germany.

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How did that turn out?

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? Yeah.

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So in the announcement, Albanese said that his government was also determined

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to promote security by investing in our relationships across our region.

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This is not a good relationship builder with China, let me say apparently

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the deal will mean Australia will build some in the early 2040s using

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a British design and US technology.

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Meanwhile, we're gonna have us submarines visiting in our

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ports from later this year.

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And there's gonna be a deal where there's a rotating presence of, of UK and US

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submarines coming to our shore basically just to say to China, we've got these

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submarines and sort of as a bit of a cover in the event that the Collins class

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ones start failing due to maintenance.

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And but yeah, those visiting ones will be under ultimate command of the US

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and UK owners of those submarines.

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And yeah, so that was the announcement.

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Another guy on Twitter said breaking the reserve Bank governor has

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announced an immediate 500 basis point increase in the target cash rate to

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try to restrain defense spending.

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That makes sense.

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We, the governments don't borrow money in the same way though, do they?

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Well, what is this?

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I'd like to know what denomination this is.

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Are we paying in US dollars?

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What's the deal here?

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I'd, what's, I would've thought we are paying them in

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US dollars in British pounds.

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I didn't see it written anywhere.

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If we'd just said, I'll pay Aussie dollars.

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But if we, if we've we're, we're gonna pays are going, I don't think

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the Yanks are going to take that.

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They're gonna actually buy them, they're gonna sell them in US dollars or once.

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Yeah, so Joe, we can print it, but then we've gotta convert

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them somehow outta us dollars.

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So that's not easy.

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Chat room seems to be going off.

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And.

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Sing out guys, if you can see anything in there.

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What else have we got to say?

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So, yeah, these are big sub.

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John wants you to define what defensive means.

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Defensive means designed to shoot ships heading in ships.

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That's right.

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Rather than designed to pumble a land based infrastructure.

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So stuff with torpedoes designed to sink ships rather than firing missiles

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designed to end up on somebody's city.

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That's what I would define as defensive.

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And the off the shelf Japanese require less manning, less personnel,

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more suited to our shallow waters.

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We can get 'em for the comparatively cheap price of a

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bit over a billion dollars each.

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And we're not subservient to the US or the uk.

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And we could man them like we can't even find crew.

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To Nan the Collins class submarines.

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How are we gonna find people?

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Funnily enough, it's not easy to find people who want to sit in a submarine

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that might be underwater for three months smelling recycled fats for three months.

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this, will it ever happen?

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Ugh, it just, this, obviously, I'm so glad I voted green.

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I've been so pissed if I'd voted for this stupid labor government.

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I mean, we all know that the previous coalition was full of

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duds, not very smart people.

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And clearly this labor government, the parliamentarians and the cabinet

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are smarter men and women, but they are obviously incredibly naive to have

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fallen for the spin of the military industrial complex and to have marveled

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at the shiny objects and to have signed up for it just naive country bumpkins.

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Willing to be the lapdogs of the US.

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Again, I just marvel at how easy it was for the military

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industrial complex to pull it off.

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So easy.

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What, what have these people not been reading stuff?

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Do they not comprehend how the world works?

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But it's insane.

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It's an an insane decision.

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Beholden to Murdoch just as much as the other side.

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Are I?

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No, I think mal miles is all the way he, I think he, I think

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he thinks it's a good idea.

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He sits in an office and listens to the defense chiefs

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and goes, yeah, okay, whatever.

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It's like Albanese said in the, either very close to the election

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day or shortly afterwards, he said defense is a bipartisan stuff.

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We, we accept the same advice that the coalition would accept.

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from our defense department officials.

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So we will always be of thinking of the same mind is essentially what

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he said was we both take advice from the same people and we just

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take the advice and accept it nuts.

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It's infuriating and it will just roll on is another disaster for this

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country if it, if it ever gets going.

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Hitching our wagon to a declining USA and a big FU to China,

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our major training partner.

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There's so much pressure on China's got no oil or resources in that sense.

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It needs trade with people.

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It's not about to invade Australia for goodness sake.

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It's, this is just propaganda 1 0 1, which is make up a story about an

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enemy, create an existential crisis.

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and make it scary enough and people will agree to anything.

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And so, you know, that's what's been happening in our media with

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the relentless anti-China sentiment that's being displayed not only by

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Sydney Morning Herald and the age, but just the A, B, C channel seven.

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They all in their reports talk about the dark shadow of China and the

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rising tensions and what China's been doing and how we need to be

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aware of it and face up to it.

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And I say, what have they been doing?

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But like, well the quote attributed to Joseph Gerbers Gables was, if you tell

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a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

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Let me give you an example I think of, of Of how this is playing out in

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the way that we've been manipulated, that the public has been manipulated.

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Let me just grab a video here, which is this one was from before the

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announcement when Albanese was in India.

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I mean, oh, we've got this great relationship with the quad now again

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because we might potentially be doing battle with those nasty Chinese and

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their terrible human rights record.

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Meanwhile, Maori in India, and here's human record, honestly isn't any better.

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Anyway, this is just have a listen to this report.

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These leaders will discuss closer military cooperation, stretching

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the hand of friendship and security across an Indian ocean.

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Under the shadow of China, but together we are building a better

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world, a world in which leaders need their friends in Delhi, Mark Riley.

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Seven News.

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You'd swear China had just put some nuclear weapon aimed at Canberra,

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you know, on Port Mosby or something.

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One more, just illustrate this point and then I'll stop Scott, so you can,

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you can attack my rants, but let me just no, I'm not gonna attack your ranch.

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Let me just show you this one here.

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This, I was listening to this one earlier today.

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This is Laura Tingle on Late Night Live speaking with Philip Adams.

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Now, Laura Tingle is, is normally very sensible, is one of the most

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respected political journalists in Australia, probably the most.

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And in talking about this issue.

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This is what she had to say.

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I mean, look, it was a very unique way of approaching things in the

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twen 21st century in a media sense.

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I thought, Phillip, the, the way the the sm as we finally

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refer to it approach that issue.

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I mean, look, there is a legitimate question of what are the Chinese doing?

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They're obviously getting much more assertive, and it is alarming and it is

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driving the way policy makers in Canberra think about foreign policy, the way

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Americans are thinking about it, the way the whole world is thinking about it.

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Yeah.

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China getting much more assertive.

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Oh, how?

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In what way?

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And that's what's driving this, not the other way around the, this is the sort

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of commentary that just keeps going endlessly as you listen to commentary and.

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. This is the sort of soft propaganda where people hear this often enough

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and they just go, oh, China's doing some really bad things.

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Obviously never specified exactly what it is, but Oh, China, the Bergy man.

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Oh, China's doing this, or China's doing it.

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Well, the demand of Hong Kong and Macau back, I mean, come on, it's, yeah.

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But they were given back and they, they were, they were returned as

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part of the whole colonization agreement and that sort of stuff.

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Yeah.

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Which was, which was just contractually bound that they had to return it at 1997.

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So, so even a respected reporter like her just refers to this nebulous,

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China's being aggressive and assertive, and that's what's driving this

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whole thing without ever talking about what the specifics of it are.

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And without ever saying, oh, is anybody else being assertive here?

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Maybe?

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I think it's just so frustrating that someone in her position.

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Doesn't have the awareness to think about these things and just blurts out and

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repeats the, the, the mantra of the, you know, the common discourse if you like,

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and just repeats it as if it's a fact.

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This is how propaganda works, that if enough people say it,

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then good people like Laura Tingle pick it up and, and go with it.

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That's what's so frustrating about this.

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Ah, so

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Scott, any feelings?

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Am I totally off the mark or No?

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I'll just, no, not really.

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I mean, I can understand where you're coming from, but it's one of those things.

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It's

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I would honestly believe that if China thought they could get away

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with it, they would invade Taiwan and that would be the end of it.

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And that they would, they would just invade them.

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They would take them out.

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Mm-hmm.

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. But I don't believe that they no longer think that they can just get away with it.

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You know, they've seen the way the Yanks propped up the Ukrainians

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and all that sort of thing.

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So I think that they're probably thinking to themselves, oh shit, you

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know, we've got the Japanese to our North, we've got the Indians to our

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South, we've got the Yanks to the East.

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So they're actually thinking of them.

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They're probably thinking to themselves that, well, we don't, we can't fight

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on all these fronts at one time.

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So that is why I think that that's why I think that cooler heads will

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prevail, because I honestly don't believe China is that hell bent on.

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undoing the, what was it, 200 years or 300 years of humiliation.

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Mm-hmm.

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, you know, over one tiny island that the rest of the world still

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considers is part of China.

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You know, it's just one of those things, you know, I just, people

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like Laura Tingle and the guy in Channel seven would you know,

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talking about the voice, for example.

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People are always prepared to, you know, label people as racist

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and they're not prepared to say except the argument of the voice.

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But really, if you look at it, a lot of this anti-china sentiment is racist.

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It's, yeah, I've forget about that.

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It's a xenophobic racism and please explain.

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Well, yeah, please explain.

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Yeah.

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Xenophobic fear or the other that's what's going on here is.

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There's, there's a racism towards China and I'm gonna play it's a little

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bit long, but I really want to, the narrative is so strong on anti-China

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that I wanna counteract it with at least something that's positive.

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And it involves Giannis for Farkas.

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And you all know I'm a Giannis fanboy.

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So apparently he got attacked, like attacked in Greece, got beaten

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up by some guys the other day.

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Oh really?

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Yeah.

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So he ended up in hospital and, and got beaten up by a bunch of thugs.

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So, so for all those people who just want to be racist towards China and consider

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them the big bad bogeymen who are just looking for trouble sit back and listen

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to this for five minutes and one second.

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As a, as a counter to the narrative that we just keep hearing all the time.

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Here we go.

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I'm been very concerned lately about China.

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They're in Africa, they're, they're lending money to countries to build

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ports and different infrastructure.

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To build what?

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Port hardware.

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Yeah.

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What's wrong with that?

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And, well, because countries that need ports get ports, but they're making

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people dependent on, I mean, I know it's the same thing that we've done,

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which is, no, it's not around the world.

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They're, they're far more humanistic than the United States ever was really?

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Okay.

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Absolutely.

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Great.

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So maybe give give an example.

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Of course they're trying, they are pedalling for in, for, for influence.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But they are non-interventionist.

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Absolutely.

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Non-interventionist in a way that Europeans, the West

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has never managed to fathom.

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But I, I have a feeling they have a longer term thought process.

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That's, that is more interventionists.

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But let's judge what we see.

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Let's judge what, from my understanding of China, There is a very, it's a very

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interesting social experiment in the sense that at the local level, the

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regional level, you now have a boisterous democracy at the local and regional level.

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Yeah.

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With even with popular success stories in overthrowing local authorities,

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local bureaucrats who have been corrupt, who have been this, who have been that

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who have been the other, when it comes to the influence of China outside

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its borders, I have to say firstly, it's quite remarkable that they don't

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seem to have any military ambitions.

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Secondly, Africa, I'll give you an example, a specific example.

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Ethiopia 2004, cuz it ha happened to be there and I.

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I have some first person firsthand experience of it.

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They went into Ethiopia.

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I'll tell you why they went into Ethiopia, because they suspected it was

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oil, because China is a major industrial power, but it lacks primary resources

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Now, instead of going into Africa with troops, colonially destroying the

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country, killing people like the west has done for the last hundred years,

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what they did was they went to ADIs Ababa and they said to the government, we

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would like, we can see you have problem problems with your infrastructure.

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We will like to build some new airports.

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Upgrade your weight system, create a telephone system and rebuild your roads

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and we'll do this all, all for free.

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No strings attached.

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We don't want anything from you.

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And they did.

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Why do they do it?

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Because it's soft power.

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Because now because they knew that if oil is discovered and it was discovered later.

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Then of course, the, if you govern, will be much more open to

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Chinese oil companies coming there.

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They have never combined their investment with imperialistic.

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I, I, you know, when I was minister of finance, I had a, a very interesting

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ex experience with Costco, one of the Chinese national companies that

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in the end bought the Port of Pires.

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When, when, when I, when, when I moved into the ministry, I found the contract

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from the previous government that I had already sold the Port of Pires

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for a pitance and under ridiculous conditions to the Chinese under the

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guidance of course, of the European Union International Monetary Fund as well.

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And in other words, I was, as a minister, I was Bound to a particular

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deal that was terrible for grace.

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And I went to the Chinese and discussed this it with them

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and I was really astonished.

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I said to them, look, you're paying too little.

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You're not committing to a sufficient level of investment and you are

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treating our workers as father.

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You are effectively subcontracting labor to horrible companies

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that exploit the workers.

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And I can't deal with this effectively.

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I propose to them with, to renegotiate the contract.

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So instead of getting 67% of the shares of the port, they

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would get with the same price.

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51, the remaining shares would go into the Greek pension fund

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system in order to bolster the capitalization of the public pensions.

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Secondly, I want you to commit to 180 million euros of

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investment within 12 months.

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and thirdly, proper collective bargaining with the trade unions

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and no subcontracting of labor.

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And to my astonishment, they said, okay, , can you imagine if that was a

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German company or an American company?

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. That's why I'm saying, I don't think you should worry.

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Okay.

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I won't.

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Ah, yes.

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Giannis, I could listen to him all day in the chat room.

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John, what's the evidence of no military intentions?

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Well, what's the evidence of, what is the evidence of military intentions?

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Tibet . What, what evidence?

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Well, that was invaded by China years ago.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I know.

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It was invaded a long time.

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Yeah.

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Go back.

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Go back long enough and you'll get anybody with like, 50 years ago.

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Is that the best that we can do?

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Where is the evidence, John of military intentions?

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I had an argument with not an argument.

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He'd never got into an argument with right wing Tony, cuz he was

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talking about China and the Belton Road and the Sri Lankan port.

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And he said, you know, they, they line these people up with with

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really difficult loans and then they foreclose and take over the assets.

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And he mentioned Sir Lanka port and said, no they didn't.

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Bullshit.

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That's just propaganda.

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That's not what happened.

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And we left at that, I read it up later and it was, you know,

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that's not what had happened.

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But you do hear these false stories.

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So look, they've got money to spend and they're doing it to

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try and acquire soft power.

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And that's just, if, if you listen to that and your immediate reaction

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is to try and say, Bullshit.

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The Chinese are conniving, scheming assholes.

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Well ask yourself if you're a racist.

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Is it just because of the Chinese by so much that you've become a racist?

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Really?

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If you objectively compare their actions with other countries you have

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to come to a different conclusion.

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So, yeah.

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There we go.

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So, keep talking in the chat room.

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What else have I got to say?

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So, there was a big scare campaign in the age and the Sydney Morning

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Herald, where they ran an unbelievable front page, multi-page three day

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extravaganza on the fact that Australia must prepare for war with China.

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And they just trotted out a bunch of characters who are known as.

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As Greg, she's hawks and had no voice that might have contradicted them.

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And Paul Keating, former Prime Minister he was just appalled by it.

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And he wrote an article in response, you know, basically objecting to everything.

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I just refused to run it.

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Wouldn't print a former Prime Minister's objection to their

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multi-page propaganda spiel.

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Wouldn't even run it.

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So he had to print it in John Mendy blog and essentially ran through the

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he said the first point is there's no threat from China in any strategic sense.

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There never has been such a threat from China, either implicit or explicit.

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, you run through the credentials of the people who were involved in writing

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the various articles and pointing out that they're just beholden to, largely

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to aspi, which is a think tank that purports to be an independent think tank.

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Providing advice on defense matters to the government, but

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there's no way it's independent.

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So, ASBE established by Australian government, 2001 employs 64 people

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described itself, itself as an independent nonpartisan think tank.

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Who funds it?

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The Department of Defense, 4 million federal government agencies, 2.6,

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overseas government agencies, 1.9 million.

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Bit further on, we've got We've got Asbe lists sponsors, including some of the

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world's largest armament manufacturers, Lockheed Martin, sab, and Thales.

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And if you go beyond their website and look at the Australian Government

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Transparency Portal, you'll see that other sponsors providing funding include

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the US State Department, US Department of Defense, US Embassy, UK Foreign and

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Commonwealth Office, Lockheed Martin, Naval Group, Australia, Northrop,

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Raphael, Raytheon, Sam, and Thales.

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Again, this is an organization completely funded by people altruists, who want to

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sell , altruists kind and generous people.

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People who want to sell armaments, gosh, of course they're going to have a position

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that promotes a fair campaign that.

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They'll just conjure out of thin air in order to scare people

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to wanting to buy armaments.

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And nowhere do they disclose that sort of conflict of interest in this stuff.

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It just outrageous that what used to be trustworthy news organizations

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have, have just ascended.

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I'm sure that China is funding the drag queens as well.

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China's funding the drag queens just another one of their illegal act.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Activities.

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One of their undermining immoral activities.

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That's it.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Getting blamed for nearly everything.

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So that's, that's Sydney Morning Herald, like Fairfax nine in many respects is

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descended to the level of the Murdoch press Once Costello got in charge where.

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We're really in a position where, Scott, what do you read?

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Do you, what newspapers do you read these days?

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I just read Crikey or the abc.

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Really?

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Right.

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Don't read any of those.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Joe, do you, sorry, Joe, you just, you're Apple News or

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something, are you or, yeah, apple.

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Apple News generally.

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Yeah.

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Which is a broad swath of everything from Sky News across to The Guardian.

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Yeah.

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It's still all mainstream.

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There's nothing independent in there.

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Mm-hmm.

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, the problem is the, a ABC is not much better because it, as I've

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just demonstrated with law, tangle, regurgitates, the talking points,

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even to the, to the extent where I think on that Insiders program with

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David Spears, they'll say, let's look at what the papers are saying.

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How, how on earth is that newsworthy or legitimate for the ABC to say, Oh,

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let's go through all the Murdoch and Fairfax, nine papers with their crazy

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headlines and repeat it as if it's valuable information of some sort.

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They give credibility to these people, the people who are arguing for this,

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who are pushing for this war to try and create something out of nothing.

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They should be treated like pedophiles, like they should be ashamed.

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We should not be seeing the likes of them anywhere on any self-respecting media.

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We should be saying you are one of those pricks.

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He's trying to drum up a war out of nothing.

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Not having you on goodbye.

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Ooh.

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Should be canceled.

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Interests.

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Yeah, but ABC will, will ring out Greg fucking Sheridan on any panel

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that's short of a, a talking head.

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What did I do on it?

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Had Gigi Foster on q and a the other night, give us some sensible people.

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A, B, c, stop regurgitating.

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It's more than just silly nonsense now.

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It's really dangerous.

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This stuff, promoting a war out of nothing and even if there is no war, eventually

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just getting us to spend 368 billion on, on this, what, what are we missing

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out on that we could have Medicare.

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Exactly.

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You know, this is the whole bloody point you've got.

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Dutton saying that he's prepared to go bipartisan with the, with the

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government to reduce the, to reduce the budget and that sort of stuff so

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they can afford the orcas agreement.

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Mm-hmm.

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now, you know.

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, I've never had to rely on the N D I S or anything like that.

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I'm in a very, I'm, I'm quite a healthy bloke and that type of thing, so I

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don't have to rely on it, but it's nice to know that it is ever there

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should anything ever happen to me.

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Mm-hmm.

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, you know, and Dutton's already talking about, oh, well we might have to, we

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might have to cut back the N D I s the fact that Peter Dutton agrees with this

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policy should be a, a, a warning sign.

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No, I agree.

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And, and this was, it's one of those things, this was a scheme

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dreamt up by agreed to by Scott Morrison, the whole or thing again.

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Yeah.

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Look, I'll just divert as well.

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Yeah.

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But what would Jesus want?

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Yeah.

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Well he, he was in the Australian in an article saying how

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clever he was for keeping orcas secret until the deal was done.

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And so, from the Australian, by the way.

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You know, I quit my Australian subscription like three months ago.

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Mm-hmm.

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and only just stopped letting me read the article, so Oh, really?

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Got a good extra few months from that.

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But anyway, from the Australian scene, your diplomats and former foreign affairs

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minister, Maurice Payne, was kept in the dark over the orcas negotiations

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amid concerns that plans about it could be leaked and would scuttle the

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landmark deal amid concerns that it would distract her from the ironing.

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Yes.

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Scott Morrison here, it was the most remarkably held project that

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I suspect many could ever recall.

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He said the secrecy was so essential because the second it moved outside, those

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who only needed to know it was a risk.

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He said, this wasn't oh oh seven, but it was essential to its success.

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It was hard enough to get agreement on this, on its merits, but had it broken

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outside the lines of containment.

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It would've proven fatal to the project because it would've

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been in the public domain.

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He said it was so in the national interest to keep this tight.

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What a load of crap.

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Yeah, I know.

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It is a complete load of crap.

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Why can't we openly say, oh, we are thinking of going into an agreement

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called Orcas with the UK and the us.

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Let's all talk about whether that's a good idea.

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Ah, but if we allow that, it'll never happen.

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Well, maybe that's a good reason.

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Not if it, if it can't be discussed in the light of day.

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It has to be done in a shadowy way by Scott Single-handedly No, no.

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It wasn't single-handedly.

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Come on.

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And, and this guy as multiple ministers,

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Yes, that's right.

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. Exactly.

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And it, it, he's boasting about it as if it was such a, a great thing.

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. Ah.

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Ah, where was I?

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I'll get off this in a second and we'll talk religion just to cheer us up.

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, ah, it's frustrating that Albanese and the labor government are

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just walking down the same road.

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It's it's frustrating.

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Alan Patience wrote an article, this was bef about a week or two old,

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this one saying that worried about how compliant it looked like labor

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was gonna be with US interests.

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And he said, miles.

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Richard Miles, of course, belongs to the hard right faction of the Labor Party.

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His views on the Alliance with the United States are more at home with

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the views of the matter factions in the Liberal and National Party.

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Penny Wong is the other player in this end.

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She's from the a's left faction, yet her timidity in the defense debates.

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I've seen her more aligned with the males view of the world

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than with the labors left.

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They're really just, just wired everything.

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Are they allowed to speak out though,

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against cabinet solidarity?

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Yeah.

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I guess you read between the lines of what people are wanting.

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Anyway, we'll talk a little bit later on about media

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shortcomings, but what do you do?

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It's just the military industrial complex.

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It's just way too powerful.

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I see no ability or resolution to stop this happening.

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And even if five years ago you said, this is what's going

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to happen, what could you do?

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it, this, these things rest on such a, a handful of decision

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makers at the end of the day.

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and and they just get enough people in these positions who

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agree to these principles that they end up getting what they want.

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E even if you put it to a popular vote, it would still get passed.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I had a statistic here that so in 2018, 45% of Australians thought

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that China would become a military threat in the next 20 years.

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So 2018, 45%.

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Four years later, that proportion had jumped to 75%.

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And what had China done in that four years?

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Well, nothing really.

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2022 they'd said you wanna come in here and have weapons inspected like

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powers to investigate our wet markets.

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We're not buying your wine and your Bali.

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That's it.

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Well, Muji has also made inroads into centralizing his power.

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Reducing the power of the poll bureau.

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Oh, that's their business.

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That's, that's nothing to do with us.

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In the same way that you wouldn't want Donald Trump having ultimate

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control over a, a known war Munger.

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Like maybe that's a good thing.

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Maybe he's a pacifist.

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Maybe he's far better than the rest of them.

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Who knows?

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Maybe it would've a, a step forward for peace that he acquired more power.

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We don't know.

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I don't think we're ever, we are never going to know exactly what type of man

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he is because he, he has never well, because of the, the system and that sort

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of stuff that they have there, they make these decisions behind closed doors.

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Mm.

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So all the arguments and all that sort of stuff that would actually

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tell you what type of man he is, no one ever gets to see those.

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We, we know that he does like honey, though.

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Yes, cuz.

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Yeah, I know.

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Yeah.

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Winning the pee . Yeah.

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Alright.

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Okay.

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That's a good Ran.

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We're up to an hour and, well, eight 18.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Let's talk a little bit about religion because after all, this is a

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podcast that promotes secular issues.

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And I think I saw Alison in the chat room and Yeah, she was in the Alison

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has been doing some great stuff, Alison, in getting some coverage in the media

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to do with the religious instruction lessons and was a video was released

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where they talked about harvesting of children in religious instruction lessons

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and the word harvesting of children.

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Word harvest really grated with a lot of people and.

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. Fortunately people misunderstood it.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Well, I think that's one of the arguments, shit.

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One of the, one of the people behind one of the churches said, oh,

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they didn't, you've misunderstood.

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They didn't use the word harvest, but it's clear as day when you hear it.

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And fortunately there's been a guy called Mattie Holdsworth at the Curio mail

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who's taken this story and run with it.

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So the courier male actually had three articles at least big prominent articles.

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And and there's also been coverage of three labor state politicians who have

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basically come out declaring their position in one way or another through

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Facebook lights and Facebook comments.

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So just for the record, for those interstate who may not have heard

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it, this is channel seven news religious instruction story.

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Here we go.

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An alarming leaked video from a Brisbane, Brisbane church shows

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volunteers discussing harvesting school students to turn them into disciples.

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They were talking about religious instruction in state schools.

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Reigniting calls to ban the program.

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Preaching to a crowd.

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It took just one word to turn a church.

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Talk into a public debate on religion.

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You can have a potential to harvest hundreds for the Lord.

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In the video, volunteer promotes the Religious Instructions School program as

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a way to harvest then disciple students.

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It's more than that.

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I mean, it's indoctrination.

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I just think it was an unfortunate choice of words.

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Words that are reignited, calls for a ban or overhaul of the weekly program.

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Call review.

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Do a proper review into it.

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Stop just pretending that it's not a problem.

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But those who lead religious instruction argue it's about exploring

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faith, not just Christianity, but others like Islam and Buddhism.

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That helps a child understand and see where they fit in the world.

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Half of state schools have religious instruction, but it's not compulsory.

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Students need written consent from their parents to attend.

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While all the content must be inclusive, families can do it in their own time.

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And we need to give that time back to the teachers religious groups say there have

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been no complaints about the video or any of its school programs in the last year.

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It's still a very popular program in a statement.

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The education minister said there are no proposed changes

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to the legislation or policy.

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Like it or not, will depend on who you put your faith in.

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Garth Burley seven.

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Oh.

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. You put your faith.

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Good on you, Alison.

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Alison's in the chat room.

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Oh, Alison, you're doing so well.

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Really, really good stuff.

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Like it's amazing all these years suddenly get a flurry of, of activity like that.

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Really good.

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And yeah, again, I think shows the importance of just having.

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, well, a reporter willing to report, and then Alison and her group

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from the Queensland Parents for Secular State schools being so up

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to date and knowing all the latest and be able to feed information

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and facts and provide commentary.

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Absolutely sensational work.

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Allison.

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So well done three cheers to you and yes.

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Congratulations, Alison.

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Yeah.

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Well, I just con before I continue with this religious instruction

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stuff, just in the chat room, John says, you're clutching Trev.

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Do you really hate the US that much?

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Well, let's say John, is that everything I've said would be

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in agreement with at least 10 commentators on the John Menchu blog.

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Former diplomats, former Chinese diplomats, people with 20 and 30

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years experience in foreign affairs.

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People with expertise are all saying exactly the same stuff.

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So, there's been, I don't know how many articles in the John Mendy blog by, I

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can't recall how many people, but that's what I'm saying may seem contrary to the

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mainstream media, but it's completely in line with well credentialed opinion.

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Alright.

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Back to the religious stuff.

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Holy smoke.

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Somebody in the chat room's gone off some crazy bot saying, okay, that'll

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keep Joe busy, . Yeah, so there was three articles in the cur mail and

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we've got some labor politicians who have come out saying Enough is enough.

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Let me just find one of them in particular.

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Member for Capalaba, Don Brown has said, As a father of a son who

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just started prep at state school, this video sickened me to my core.

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Time is up for religious instruction in our state schools.

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State should always equal secular and he says, before you start labeling me

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as anti-religion, my son is baptized and I went to a Catholic all boys school.

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If you want Sunday school for your kid, feel free to go on a Sunday.

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Not at a state school.

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Scott.

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Yeah.

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Remember for Capalaba Don Brown, that's exactly what should be said.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Karine McMillan, she was the other one that came out and that's sort of stuff.

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I think she was a former principal or something like that, and she said

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that it was disgusting and all that type of thing, and she was my former

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member when I lived in Brisbane.

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Yeah, so that's really important that there's three voices in that parliament,

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at least, of people who are very public.

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. Presumably at some stage in party room meetings, we'll be saying to grace,

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grace, you've gotta cut this crap out.

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Here is my position.

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You should be doing something about it.

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If they're feeling that strong, that they're prepared to come out publicly

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like this, hopefully some traction.

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So once again, well done to Alison.

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Right.

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Oh, just I think Bronwyn sent me this one about what's happened in Victoria.

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So in Victoria, as people would remember, they didn't with religious

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instruction lessons, they said You can still have them, but they've

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gotta be before or after school.

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And of course it makes perfect sense.

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Yeah.

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And of course no kid wants to do that.

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No, exactly.

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No parent, no parent wants to have to leave home early or, or late.

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Yeah.

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And so this marvelous system that people love.

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In 2013, there were 93,000 Victorian students enrolled in special religious

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instruction, and now previously 93,000.

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Now 50.

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Fewer than a thousand.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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So I, I think that just speaks volumes to it all.

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You know, it's just like there was one guy there and that sort of stuff

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that was quoted in the article saying that that's the reason why you've got

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so many more kids going into Muslim schools and that type of thing.

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Because it, it, it's a, it's the fact that they've no longer

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got the they've no longer got the religious ed in this school.

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Mm-hmm.

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. Well, yeah.

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Okay.

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That's fine.

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If you, if you, if your faith is that important to you, that you need to spend

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the money to actually send your kids to a faith-based school, then that's fine.

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But, you know, I, I think that It really should be a secular

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experience in a state school.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yep.

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We've been over that crown nearly as much as well, even more than we've

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been over the ground of submarines.

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But yeah, no doubt.

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Yeah.

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The other thing, Scott, is that the a c C is investigating Hillsong.

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Yeah.

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That was very amusing, wasn't it?

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? Mm-hmm.

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Oh dear.

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What a petty.

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No, that, that's because of the Tasmanian Independent, what's his name?

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Andrew Wilke.

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Andrew Wilke.

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He was actually saying, he said some beautiful stuff in Parliament.

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Mm-hmm.

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All the parliament parliamentary privilege of course, but now that

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the ac n c is actually woken up to and said, oh fuck, we'd be

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actually gonna have a look at this.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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So he spoke in parliament and obviously somebody's leaked a

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whole bunch of stuff to him.

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He had two large stacks of folders of documents.

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And claiming all sorts of financial irregularities about Hillsong.

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So that will be interesting to see where that ends up.

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We don't talk about it too much cuz I'm not sure of the rules of us repeating what

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he said in under parliamentary privilege.

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But anyway no surprising that there's some skullduggery in the accounts of

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Hillsong and yeah, see where that ends up.

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And there was an article in the age by the son of Melbourne Turnbull, Alex

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Turnbull, and he was writing about the Christian takeover of the Liberal party.

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And actually there had been another conference where David PE was

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in a panel session encouraging people to, it was join up.

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It would be ridiculous, you know.

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I actually hate time.

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They do actually do it because then the public's going to just

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turn around and say to them, no, well, they can go and get fucked.

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Yeah.

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But then the problem is he doesn't have anybody to hold it to account.

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Yeah, I know.

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Which is the other problem.

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There's no doubt about that.

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But it's just one of those things that I hope that the teals, the teal

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independence and all that sort of stuff get together and form some sort of

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political party on their own and then they end up moving the whole thing.

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I would hope that they move the conservatives to the left just a little

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bit because they're too far to the right.

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Right now.

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And then you'll end up with the rural rump of the National Party and the

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and the crazy Christian Ners on the other side of the liberal party.

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You know, it's just one of those things that is absolutely ridiculous that

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you've got a position that you had, you know, George Christensen was one of the

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dickheads and that sort of stuff, who was speaking in that particular conference?

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Hmm.

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He was actually saying that you've gotta get out there, you've gotta, you

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know, that the, they're just going to, they're just trying to copy the they're

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just trying to copy the Republican party, which hasn't worked for, it,

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hasn't worked for them over there.

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They're, they're big into culture war as well.

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So, at this conference, which was the what was it, the church and State summit

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in Brisbane where David PE was urging people to, to join up to the liberal party

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so they could get religious candidates.

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At that one, George Christiansen argued, Western culture was possessed by Satan.

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. Literally, literally, or metaphorically.

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And civilization would end within our lifetime, unless Christians comes

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back, Jesus or Jesus returned first.

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Ah, the rapture.

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Yes.

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We can only hope that he gets raptured and leaves us alone.

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We can only gets raptured back to the Philippines.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, and I was talking about Alex Turnbull.

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He wrote an article and he said increasingly if you wanna get pre-selected

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in the liberal party, you don't, do not necessarily have to be a member of one of

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these religious groups, but you probably need their indifference at a minimum.

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I think he's understated it there.

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I think it's, it's worse than that, he says.

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So this is the son of Malcolm Turnbull.

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I suspect at this point the liberal party is too far gone on this account.

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The branches have been stacked.

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The organization fundamentally cannot be pulled back from control exerted

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by these more extremist groups.

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And worst of all, for all involved, it appears much of the Australian

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public has figured this out.

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So he's the first commentator I've seen other than myself talking about.

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, the actual more or less demise of the liberal party and where we

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would head to a, a splintering.

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So, so yeah, that was Alex Turnbull, right?

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I think he's right.

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Hmm, I think so as well.

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Splitters?

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Yeah, splitters.

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You get a , didn't you, Joe?

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Yeah.

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Gary Linah.

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Have you guys ever heard of Gary Lenka before?

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Not until the last couple of days when it all blew up.

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Right.

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Strangely enough I have.

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Right.

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All because you've got an accent that sounds like you're British.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Famous football.

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I must have been a good striker in his day.

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Former English captain.

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I think I, I, I'm not interested in people kicking a pig splatter

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around a piece of grass anyway.

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Well, the, the UK has adopted.

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So Braman is the sort of chief Yes.

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Who happens to be an obvious sort of Pakistani sort of background

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or eth ethnicity, I think.

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Is that right?

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Indian subcontinent, I believe.

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Yes.

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Something like that.

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He's, he's very much in favor of adopting Australia's sort

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of turn the boats back policy.

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So now, now that I'm here, shut the door behind me.

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Yes, that's it.

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, which, which carries on from the argument that I raised a couple of weeks ago

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in relation to indigenous fairs, that just because you get representation

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of people of the right color doesn't mean you necessarily get policies

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of, of the right type for that color.

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Representation doesn't necessarily mean you get.

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The policies you want.

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Anyway.

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Oh, by the way, on that score, still reading I've decided already if you were

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listening at all, Paul from Canberra, I've decided book club next month is

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Ken Malick, not so black and white.

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So really really enjoying that book and I'll be drawing lots from

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it in the indigenous discussion when we eventually get to it.

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And still in that point.

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Paul, the 12th Man, and I did an episode on Indigenous Matters

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about three years ago, and I've put that on a different podcast feed.

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So, dear listener, you need to subscribe to another podcast called I fvg Evergreen.

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If you just on your podcast app, type in if Fvg search for that,

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you'll see I Fvg Evergreen, and.

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In that the latest episode is a little introduction from me and a repeat of that

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indigenous episode as a little bit of a primer of some topics to consider when we

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get to the indigenous episode eventually.

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Plus there's other episodes there as the name implies.

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I F E g.

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Evergreen is topics that are evergreen and will not date.

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And so if you had a friend and you were wanting to recommend the podcast, you

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could say, have a look at this one.

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And all the topics there are still relevant, right?

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Back to Gary Lin in the uk.

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So he put out a tweet, so he is the compare of the match of

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the day for soccer football, as it would be called there, Joe.

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Mm-hmm.

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Cool Soccer.

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Yeah.

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Now referencing the turn back, the boats type policy.

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Because of the thousands of votes heading across the English channel.

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And he said there is no huge influx.

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We take far fewer refugees than any other major European countries.

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This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people

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in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the thirties.

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And I'm out of order, question mark.

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So that tweet riled the executives at the bbc, which is like our

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ABC public broadcaster, ABC, sort of modeled on it if you like.

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And and he was told he had to step back from presenting the match of the day.

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And for that tweet.

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And there was a lot of pressure put on the BBC by government ministers and

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they succumbeded to that pressure and told him, you're off for the moment

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until you apologize for that tweet.

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And he was taken off air.

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And what happened was he got enormous public support.

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So his colleagues, his fellow commentators said, well, if you are

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keeping him off the program, then we are not going to appear on the program.

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So the match of the day coverage where they normally have the

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segment with the commentators just didn't appear that weekend.

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And lots of public support from all sorts of people.

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And basically people were pointing out the hypocrisy that

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had been used against Gary Lin.

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and it turns out that the BBC is just riddled with all sorts of

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political sort of operators both on the board and in commentary.

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They say all sorts of things all the time, but guess what?

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Most of that time they're actually saying things that are positive towards

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the government rather than negative.

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And Gary Linnea was, was making a statement which was factually

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correct in many respects.

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But it was against the government line.

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So the government has since had to back down exam.

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Gary Linco is a, is a guy with power that's not beholden to anybody, like

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he's independently wealthy and doesn't need the job on match of the day.

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and there's a lot of public sympathy and warmth for the guy.

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And obviously also a lot of people are just not liking the policy.

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So it was a really interesting situation, which we'd, Scott, I think you pointed

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out, we never had here in Australia, any public bigger No of popular figure

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like that, make a statement and get the same sort of support, so Oh yeah.

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Obviously.

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What's his name?

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Yeah.

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Talking footballers.

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Yes.

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Israel.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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How, yeah, exactly.

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So what's the difference?

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Is he made political statements, did he?

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Well, he, yeah, I hope the gays go to hell.

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He made some outrageous statements that made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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Yes.

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So I've got no problem with him getting canceled the way he was.

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Well, you run the risk, don't you?

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If you're gonna make a statement, you've gotta be, you've gotta be

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prepared for the possible blow back.

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Yeah.

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And if you're out of kilter with accepted social standards Yeah, then

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you're running the risk as Yeah.

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Whereas the government, I think was out of accepted social Yes.

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Standards on this one in, in this case.

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Indeed.

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And and there was a lot of hypocrisy surrounding it as well.

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So it was an interesting sort of exercise at the bbc.

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Yeah, essentially he could, he was sort of powerful enough.

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And I'll just play one clip that I think is sort of interesting here.

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Cause it sort of matches in a little bit with what we were talking about before.

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If I can find it.

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Just bear with me a second.

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This one here.

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So his business partner, like he's a wealthy guy, he's got

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all sorts of things happening.

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I think it's the BBC was interviewing his business partner and sort of

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before getting into the, the, the interview proper, tried to sort point

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out this guy's connections to Gary Lea.

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Anyway, play this, this, I guess in a some ways you have well you, you've,

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you've got business links, shall we say, with Gary Lea cuz you, you, you work on

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that podcast that is part of his company.

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But what do you think of this announcement by the BBC that is

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stepping back from match of the.

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. Well, I'll come to the second part for later, but lemme just say that is

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unbelievable that you feel, you have to make that point clear right at the top.

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Well, it's true.

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Isn't does it?

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Wait a minute.

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Yes, it is true.

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But does it mean, for example, that every BBC bulletin now should begin

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with the words we should point out to viewers That the BBC is

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chaired by a man who makes massive donations to the Conservative party.

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A new help Boris Johnson get an 800,000 pound loan.

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I, I'm just pointing out, explaining to the viewers, yes, I know you do

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have a business connection with him.

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Well, love it.

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When people take on people in a proper debate on camera, we

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so hard to see it more often.

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It's really powerful when it happens.

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Yeah.

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So, okay.

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You've pointed out a conflict.

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Fine.

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Are you gonna do that every time now in future with every other person?

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This is what gets me about Aspy and and the ABC and their panels, like,

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they're so lazy that they, they just, you know, throw a bunch of people on

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a panel and just throw topics at them and say, why don't you chat about that?

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They don't do the sort of background work that we do here on this podcast.

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And um, and, you know, they'll get these people who are incredibly compromised

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because of conflicts of interest.

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No declarations at all.

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We're assumed to know that Greg Sheridan has, has got these

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connections with the Australia and not all the other experts they get.

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So, anyway, well done to that guy for sort of pointing out the hypocrisy of

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wanting to, of the BBC wanting to point out his connection with Linah Linah, but

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not pointing it out with other people.

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All right.

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I had a lot of stuff on that, but I'll skip through that.

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Really.

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There's a lot where the b BBC, it seems is appeasing the right wing.

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And I think we see that a bit with the ABC here is guilty of that as well.

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And there's a commentator called Ima Hark who said British conservatives.

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Conservatives had three great post-war goals and none of them were constructive.

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One breakup with eu two got the NHS and three kill off the bbc.

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And they've been successful working their way through those three things.

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And you know, the local coalition here, Tony Abbott in particular was vehement

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about trying to cripple the ABC.

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to make it less effective.

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And Oh, and the conservators in the UK have managed to cripple the nhs.

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Yes.

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And, and LMP over here wants cripple Medicare.

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Indeed.

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Well, and just underfund it so that it no longer performs, so that then

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people will complain and you then hold up the solution of privatization.

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Mm-hmm.

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. Oh look, it's in such a shambles.

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These people can't organize anything.

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We better privatize it.

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So yeah, these things are repeating what's happening in Britain with

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bbc also happening to some extent here in Australia with the abc.

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Yeah, Scott, it's gonna be a state election in New South Wales shortly.

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Yeah.

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And it's looking like the ALP will probably win that in.

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, which is somewhat disappointing because the ALP has gone so soft on the whole

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gaming machines that I would've thought that we'd probably actually needed

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a dose of the Tories to actually try and pull them back into line anyway.

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What a, a dose of the, to bring They've been there for the last 15 years.

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Yeah, I know, but they haven't, they've only just acted, they've only just

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acted on the on the gaming devices.

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ARO wanted to become the head of clubs in New South Wales.

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I know.

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And that was ridiculous.

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Yeah.

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Sorry, we, you're suggesting that we should have the liberals in the,

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in New South Wales in order to take care of the, in order the pokies.

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Take care of the ps.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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That's a theory.

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Well, it's a theory.

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I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's a theory.

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Herk has come out with an idea of Kid's Future Fund.

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Did you see this?

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Yeah, I did.

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I did see that very briefly, but I didn't actually read what it was about.

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So basically the New South Wales State government, if reelected, will set up kids

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for success with a new investment vehicle for each child born in New South Wales.

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Parents will be able to contribute to the fund and the government will match the

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contribution up to $400 per year with a $400 contribution made by the government.

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So Scott, they've since said it also applies to kids born outside New

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South Wales if their parents are residents, but up to $400, parents

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can put 400 say $400 in an account and the government will match.

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It sounds like the Catholics are, are gunning for more money for their kids.

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Well, this is just, which strata of society is going to be able to.

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put $400 aside for their kids and get a government matching donation and which

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strata of society might actually need it?

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Struggle.

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We're finding the $400 and therefore unable to get the top up.

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It will benefit from the ones that'll struggle are the ones who are

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putting all their money into pokies.

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what a, what a terrible idea.

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No, it's a good idea.

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Conservatism is all about transferring taxpayer funds

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into the pockets of the wealthy.

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It's all part of this middle class, upper middle welfare.

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Yeah.

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It's, ah, still a list's, not 514 million superannuation.

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Hmm.

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Just on superannuation.

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Yeah.

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Apparently in question time.

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David.

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Little proud asked Labor, Steven Jones, if a wealthy family with a

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farming business will pay more tax under the government's changes to

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superannuation, and Steven Jones replied.

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Yes, that is the point.

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We wouldn't be doing it otherwise.

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Good answer.

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I, I think this is the same when we put a price on carbon and people are

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going, but my electricity's going up.

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Yes.

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That's the point.

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That's the point.

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So you use less of of it.

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Yeah.

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Ah, have you guys heard of the Shepherd Center?

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Is this a Kiwi thing?

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It's a center that provides helps people with their hearing, particularly for kids.

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Look, I'll tell, I'll, I've got something here to tell you all about it.

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See if you recognize this.

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The Shepherd Center has grown with centers all around town.

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Their students are going to mainstream schools.

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Their talents, they're abound.

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We shout and sing your praises.

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You bring joy to children's ears for all you do.

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We give our thanks.

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You all deserve a cheer.

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The Shepherd Center gives the gift of hearing.

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Thank you for the joy and love your bringing

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at.

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That's at that point, I'm gonna get back.

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At that point, they all wanted to hand back their hearing aids.

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, didn't anything My God.

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It was better without them.

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Yeah.

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You're supposed to play trigger warning before that.

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Come on.

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Yeah.

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Well, I like a bit of fun with you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, actually you didn't realize she was actually that ugly Scott.

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Yeah.

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You some nasty things like that, that's not very nice.

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But look there are ways of, of getting a political message or a message out

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there in song perhaps a little bit better than the Governor General's wife.

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He's a little snippet from a guy.

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I'll tell you who he is after.

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Robo

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pistol shots ring out in the media as you expect.

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Their, they're protecting politicians, especially one man.

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We got 2000 suicides.

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It's on Morrison's plan and is a story of Robo Dead who won the

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public service pretend to forget.

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Is it something that they should not have done?

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Okay.

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You guys on the whole thing?

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He's good.

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Very good.

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Good.

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Let's head to a song.

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Yeah.

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If you wanna get a message out there.

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His name is it's Gallo and Ruben on Twitter.

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Alright.

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Where are we heading to?

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I, I'm waiting for the Tim Minion song.

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Right.

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Which one?

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I, I've, I'm sure he will do one.

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Right?

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He's, he's, he's commented on various other things.

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Yes.

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Let me just see here.

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I've done that one on me.

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Yeah.

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Shortcomings I've got.

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Yes.

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So just speaking on Robodi hearing public hearings have finished.

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Yes, they have.

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Look again, our mainstream media has been terrible in relaying what's going on.

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It's been a shocking story of the things that have gone on.

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It's very disgusting as what it is.

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And as the commissioner said, the mainstream media really

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only showed interest when former ministers were in the dock.

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Mm-hmm.

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, giving evidence otherwise, you know, the commissioner sort of came out and

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made a comment about how the coverage was quite patchy and basically the best

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place to get coverage was on Twitter.

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It sort of congratulated the people on Twitter who were taking extracts and, and

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putting 'em up there and explaining it.

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I have to say I've learned everything I know about robo debt from the Twitter

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sort of files and extracts that are there.

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So, it, it was interesting though.

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There've been a number of comments in mainstream media about, oh my

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god, social media, how bad it is, you know, how biased coverage.

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But the truth is actually mainstream media is also very biased and they're

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just clickbait and they're making money off pushing their narrative.

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Mm-hmm.

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, and they're jealous that social media is doing similar in a different direction.

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Yep.

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And that you can, you can pick and choose.

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Yeah.

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If you, if you yeah, that's a bad thing.

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If you want to follow a total idiot, you can, but, it, it's nice to be able to

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pick a, an uncensored feed sometimes.

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Yeah.

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But this, you know, mainstream media is just so much, you know, fireman

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saves a cat and a tree type stuff.

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There's no analysis even on Okay.

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Four corners occasionally and media watch, but just the lack of analysis is terrible.

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So, there's a tweet by guy talking about insiders.

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So insiders is a weekly program.

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ABC is supposed to be looking at what happens in politics each week.

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And on the 12th of March, they did four minutes on robo debt,

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which took a total of 11 minutes for the whole of 2023 11 minutes.

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Just pathetic coverage by these groups.

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Of course, they'll learn every week, devote some time to what's making

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news and look at the mainstream newspapers and see what's going on.

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So yeah, sort of really struck by how poorly the media has been

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operating in the past two weeks.

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So some examples of media not operating very well.

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Our old friend, Rowan Dean at Sky News, let's just have a little bit

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of Rowan 24 seconds because Daniel Andrews and the labor government were

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using your money for secret polling just to drive their decision making.

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These people should be in the dock and they should be in jail.

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That is my opinion, Rita.

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It drives me nuts.

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This stuff, those people who are brave enough to speak out were

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demonized, and yet we learn it was all b s, it was polling driven.

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. He's like me with submarines.

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Mm-hmm.

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him with Dan.

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He just doesn't give up.

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He wants him, he wants Daniel Andrews in jail.

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just continually going crazy over there.

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It's Sky News.

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Here's another one.

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I mean we've seen plenty of footage about the January 6th riots and

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what went on there, like shocking stuff in terms of the violence that

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happened in that, that this is just No, it was a peaceful demonstration.

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Oh, you must be watching Sky News cuz this is just from the other day, but Fortune.

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But rather it was about the extraordinary revelations we will be

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chatting about later this morning.

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But what really happened at the so-called January 6th insurrection.

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So cool.

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Having watched Tucker Carlson's amazing at irrefutable revelations that this was no

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wild mass protest at the Capitol that day.

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Quite the opposite.

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Expecting flat earth theories.

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Mm-hmm.

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from these guys now that denying the January six riots, the

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so-called there, there was and I forget what it's called now.

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There's a website that has archived all of the social media they could

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get their hands on, on from that time.

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And there is a timeline of videos from all the people posting on social media

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and it shows everything that went on Yes.

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From people who were filming inside the capitol.

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Yeah.

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And then, you know, from the different inquiries that have been on, there's been

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all sorts of foot footage as well, Sean.

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So it was extremely violent stuff going on there.

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So.

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Well they wanted to hang Pelosi and Pence Yeah.

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Just to be denying that.

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What are we doing?

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Just, just, we've got the media ignoring important stuff and completely.

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Lying about other stuff is such a misleading, evil force.

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There's no solution.

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Have you guys seen much of the dominion voting machines lawsuit that's taken

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place against Fox News in America?

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O only the revelation of the emails.

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Yeah.

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A lot of evidence that they knew it was complete bullshit.

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They were allowing people to say, and dominions, the amount

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of money involved is huge.

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And apparently there's another voting, another company similar

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to Dominion who's also caught up in This's, also going to sue.

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It's the figures that they're talking about are enough to bankrupt news court.

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Apparently.

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We can only hope.

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Well, exactly.

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Yeah.

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Although I.

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. I follow a security pundit, less so these days, but in the past, and he

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has for probably 20 years been saying voting machines are a bad idea.

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Pencil and paper is really good.

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It's slow, but it's accurate.

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You can recount as many times as you'd like.

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It's really difficult to screw it up.

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And that's why sensible countries use it.

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Voting machines, everything happens inside a black box.

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You don't know who you voted for or whether your vote is gonna get counted.

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There's no accountability.

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Mm-hmm.

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So yeah, it doesn't matter who the manufacturer is.

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The, the problem is accountability.

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The problem is visibility.

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Yeah.

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With a pencil.

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Yeah.

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With a pencil and paper.

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You know, you voted, you've seen it go in the ballot box.

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And as long as you've got an independent of observers, the chance, the, the ability

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to scam it is very, very restricted.

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Mm-hmm.

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. I agree.

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And you know, there's something community about it as well where

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people go, and, and the counting, have you democracy sources trench.

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Yeah.

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And the counting is so transparent.

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It's done there at that building Yes.

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Where the voting was.

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They're not transferred all over the place in bags generally.

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And voting's done there and then seems, yeah.

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Perception.

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Good point, Joe.

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Yeah.

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Finally, dear listener, as we wrap this episode up, Nord Stream Pipeline,

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New York Times came out with new intelligence reviewed by US Officials

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suggested that a pro Ukrainian group carried out the attack, the North Stream

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It's called the US Military, the Pro Ukrainian Group.

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. That's right.

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US officials said they had no evidence that Zelensky or Ukraine or his top

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lieutenants were involved, or that the perpetrators were acting at the direction

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of any Ukrainian government officials, just rogue Ukrainians in a boat.

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And this is anonymous US officials just dropping a leak to the New York Times.

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And the New York Times, of course, presents it.

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And in referring to it for the first time, mentions Sahu Revelation.

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In the sort of last paragraphs of their story, they finally mentioned Cy

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Hurst and his scoop if you like, after repeating the bullshit from anonymous.

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sources within the government.

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Honestly, the, they're basically saying that a bunch of renegades from Ukraine

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unconnected to the military or the government hired a boat and put enough

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explosives in it to, to paddle out to their necessary spot and, and then had

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who were capable of diving that deep Yes.

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And not be seen by anybody uhhuh, and then leave and in, in

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a fairly busy shipping channel.

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It's just insulting to, it just insults our intelligence.

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Mm-hmm.

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, well, Ukraine's on entire, the wrong side of the continent to get away with that.

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The Nord stream, two pipeline goes into Germany, which is on

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the other side of the continent.

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Yeah.

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So I think to myself, yeah, that does, doesn't cut the master,

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just, just the capacity of a group.

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to do.

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This is just ludicrous.

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Yeah, it is.

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And that's the best they could come up with.

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It's just insulting.

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So, ah, there we go.

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I think we've reached the end.

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Anything you wanna get off your chest, Scott or Jay before we sign off the chat

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room's been going really well tonight.

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Good on you guys in there.

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So that was good.

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Yeah.

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Alright, well we'll see what happens.

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I won't talk about submarines next week.

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Give it a rest.

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You can take a, you can talk about submarines as much as you want.

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Okay.

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Well head over to, as I said before I F V G Evergreen.

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Look it up on your podcast app now and you'll see a thing about

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indigenous matters, which is your homework preparation for that.

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And also, I'll probably find the episode that we did on.

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Submarines previously.

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Put that on there as well.

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And I'll just find different evergreen stories and put them on there.

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So if you are dear listener, I have to say we don't have nearly as many

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don't have as many people listening to the podcast as did a few years ago.

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Say, tell your friends word of mouth is the best way of

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people finding out about this.

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And I'm sure you've heard more on this podcast in an hour and a half

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than a lot of other stuff out there.

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So if you think it's worthwhile, tell your friends and consider becoming a Patreon.

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There's a link in the show notes.

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Otherwise shoot me an email or a message.

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Say hello, tell me how much you enjoy the show.

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And that'd be nice.

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I get occasional ones of those.

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Alright, well it's time to finish.

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Talk to you next week, Scott and Joe.

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Bye everybody.

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Yep.

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Thanks very much for tuning in.

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Bye now.

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