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Episode 366 - From Kanye to East Timor
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In this episode we discuss:
(00:33) Introduction
(03:56) Brittany Higgins
(13:04) Julia Banks
(16:11) Sunshine in the coffee shop
(18:06) Scott Morrison
(21:19) Nativity Plays
(23:21) Catholic Hospitals
(33:16) Peta Credlin
(34:09) Anti Corruption Commission
(37:34) Putin Poo
(38:08) Nurses and Putin
(40:07) Trump Tax Returns
(40:37) Kanye and Alex Jones
(44:41) Adin Ross
(48:44) Young Turks
(51:38) USA Rail Workers
(54:06) Chips
(59:06) France Bans Short Flights
(01:10) Oil Price Cap
(01:03:14) China Trade
(01:04:26) Timor
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Speaker:Well, hello and welcome to your listener.
Speaker:Yes, the Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove podcast back again for another episode.
Speaker:We're up to 366.
Speaker:Joe, the tech guy.
Speaker:How are you?
Speaker:I'm good.
Speaker:Yeah, I'm well.
Speaker:I'm Trevor the Iron Fist.
Speaker:I was talking to somebody yesterday.
Speaker:He thought I was the Velvet Club and I said, no, that's Scott.
Speaker:So I should clarify.
Speaker:I'm Trevor the Iron Fist.
Speaker:Because I've got these hard opinions that come out occasionally.
Speaker:. Oh dear.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Yes, episode 366.
Speaker:I should have mentioned last week, episode 365.
Speaker:There's one for every day of the year.
Speaker:So if you want to, if you want a bit of Iron, Fist, Velva Glove, you can have a
Speaker:new episode every day for an entire year.
Speaker:If you catch up on the back catalog, it's all there.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Tonight it's a mixed bag of stuff.
Speaker:I think on my promo piece that I put out, I said from Kanye to East Timor.
Speaker:Just one of the difficulties with this show, Joe, is it's such a random ho watch
Speaker:of different topics that we go through.
Speaker:It's very hard to identify what the D podcast is about.
Speaker:It's a lot of things.
Speaker:General news and stuff Yeah.
Speaker:And stuff.
Speaker:So there will be initially stuff about Australian news and politics, by the way.
Speaker:I've been putting chapter marks on these podcasts for the last couple of weeks.
Speaker:So if you're listening through Apple Podcasts or through a half decent podcast
Speaker:app, you should see chapter marks.
Speaker:And if you wanna skip through segments and or you wanna repeat
Speaker:a segment, you can do that.
Speaker:So Australian using politics to begin with, Bri
Speaker:Higgins, if he wants to play a segment for your
Speaker:friends, yes, you could do that too.
Speaker:Makes it easy for him.
Speaker:Brittany Higgins, Julia Banks more about crazy Christians.
Speaker:Governor General's wife will have another song.
Speaker:There'll be a trigger warning.
Speaker:Just before that Morrison was censored.
Speaker:Catholic Hospitals, actually, that's a lengthy one about just what is going
Speaker:on in so called public hospitals that are observing Catholic principles
Speaker:and making life physical for women.
Speaker:And then we'll move on.
Speaker:Putin's poop Trump's tax return.
Speaker:Kanye.
Speaker:Joe, did you see Kanye on the, isn't he just Yay now?
Speaker:Just yay.
Speaker:Did you see him on Alex Jones's?
Speaker:I had to stitch together a few clips.
Speaker:I have to admit I burst out laughing as I was doing it at different times.
Speaker:It was a very funny if you, you just, was he intending to be funny?
Speaker:No, you've gotta take the view.
Speaker:He's obviously mentally disturbed.
Speaker:He's not running on all cylinders, and so I'm just prepared to cut
Speaker:him slack as being not, not fully mentally capable in actual fact.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:. But the funny part is Alex Jones trying to tone somebody down.
Speaker:And
Speaker:yeah, trying to stop him embracing the neo-Nazi quite so much.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:But he just keeps jumping in.
Speaker:In fact, not even
Speaker:neo-Nazi, just pure
Speaker:Nazism and just the frustration and dismay on Alex Jones.
Speaker:It really is.
Speaker:It's interesting.
Speaker:I'll get through a few other things.
Speaker:We'll end up in the Timor gap and the Timor see there.
Speaker:So that's the plan.
Speaker:If you're in the chat room, say hello, what is there?
Speaker:And anyone else who's in the chat room, say hello, let us know that you're there.
Speaker:Joe, terrible situation with Britney Higgins and the trial
Speaker:being aborted because somebody on the jury was bringing in external.
Speaker:And they've decided for her mental health, it's no point in, well, it's just not,
Speaker:it's dangerous from a health point of view for her to continue with the trial.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:. So terrible situation.
Speaker:But, and you can't really talk too much about it because if you
Speaker:get into the woods on that chances of defaming what's his name?
Speaker:Bruce Leman are too high.
Speaker:So we won't get into too much about what happened.
Speaker:Steer clear of that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean, I just think there's a lot of backlash.
Speaker:That's, it doesn't matter that he hasn't had a trial.
Speaker:He's guilty as all hell.
Speaker:And I'm thinking the man deserves a fair trial.
Speaker:Everyone deserves a fair trial.
Speaker:And if he's prosecuted and convicted, fine, but until that happens, and
Speaker:if that can't happen because of her mental health, well, That's a very
Speaker:sad thing.
Speaker:It's unsatisfactory all around.
Speaker:Yes, yes.
Speaker:Very.
Speaker:So, you know, sort of, I guess bring, what, what you could say
Speaker:is, could there be some facility?
Speaker:She's already given her evidence, she's been cross-examined.
Speaker:Surely at some level that could all best be replayed for a new jury to some extent.
Speaker:Yeah, I think it would only be transcripts, wouldn't it?
Speaker:It's not gonna be recorded.
Speaker:Well, you know, maybe it should, maybe this sort of thing is a case
Speaker:that shows that evidence perhaps should have been recorded and, and
Speaker:basically that evidence presented to a fresh jury in a recorded format.
Speaker:I don't know, but I,
Speaker:I yeah, I mean, there, there's been recent cases where there has been
Speaker:a lot of media retention front.
Speaker:And cameras were in the courtroom.
Speaker:And it was quite fortunate because what the media, what the press
Speaker:were reporting didn't reflect what actually went on in the courtroom.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And, and I think more and more people are going for justice to be done.
Speaker:Justice needs to be seen, to be done.
Speaker:And, and we do deserve to have access to this and not just for those who can
Speaker:take the time off work, travel to the court and sit in the public gallery.
Speaker:Normally, cases like this are you, the evidence is not disclosed, but I
Speaker:think she waived the right to that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:This case,
Speaker:quite often, there's certain aspects of the evidence, basically
Speaker:sensitive aspects that would be held in camera, as in with nobody in
Speaker:the ju, nobody in the public area.
Speaker:But I think that a lot of the surrounding
Speaker:evidence Yep.
Speaker:Cause you'd quite enjoyed tuning in on the Johnny Depp trial and following all that.
Speaker:So you like the idea of being able just to log on, watch trial?
Speaker:I, I, I, I
Speaker:think we've come to realize that there are vested interests
Speaker:driving narratives mm-hmm.
Speaker:, and they don't necessarily reflect on what's, what's actually happening.
Speaker:And I think it's important to be able to see, to, to look at the underlying
Speaker:evidence yourself, because unfortunately you, you're supposed to be able to
Speaker:trust the press to report accurately.
Speaker:And I know in the UK they have a legal obligation.
Speaker:I presume they do overhear.
Speaker:And possibly it was less around the reporting and more around the op-eds,
Speaker:but yes, unsatisfactory all around and maybe worth looking at some
Speaker:solutions where evidence is recorded.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:and replayed either in front of a jury or perhaps in a situation like this.
Speaker:A first trial with no jury, just a judge, and as a way of getting a resolution where
Speaker:if there's a problem with a jury not being able to fully get a grip of what happened,
Speaker:then perhaps a judge can be relied on.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:Well, we have, we
Speaker:have a legal right to a trial of your peers.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:. Yeah.
Speaker:No solution on that one.
Speaker:Anyway, Mike Colton and Crikey were talking about one aspect of Bruce
Speaker:Leman, unrelated to the allegation was, He was a senior advisor to Defense
Speaker:Industries Minister Linda Reynolds.
Speaker:Allegedly he was on $200,000 a year.
Speaker:He was 23 and he hadn't finished his degree.
Speaker:So he was just an unqualified 23 year old in the defense minister's
Speaker:office earning 200,000 a year.
Speaker:Amazing.
Speaker:And expensive town Canberra.
Speaker:What's that?
Speaker:It's an expensive town.
Speaker:Canberra.
Speaker:Yeah, . So this is from Crikey, according to his police interview,
Speaker:he'd been working with the coalition government since 2013 election that
Speaker:made him just 18 when he stepped into Canberra's Halls of power in March,
Speaker:2019 when he allegedly raped Higgins.
Speaker:He was working in the office of Senator Linda Reynolds.
Speaker:He was 23 and he was a senior advisor.
Speaker:He told police he was Reynold's most senior staffer at 23, and he said, I
Speaker:was in the WhatsApp group chat with all the other chiefs of staff, including
Speaker:John Kunkel from the PM's office.
Speaker:His ministerial role involved everything from liaising with your commissioner
Speaker:at the Australian Federal Police, AIO handling estimates processes, as well as
Speaker:parliamentary policy, national security.
Speaker:He had relevant security clearances to deal with that, including signing for
Speaker:AIO briefs and the home affairs briefs.
Speaker:And at the bar at the dock bar where he'd been invited for drinks on
Speaker:the night of the alleged incident.
Speaker:It mean individuals who he recognized as a decom, the various ministers, and
Speaker:it was basically a shindig attended by defense officials full of defense
Speaker:contractors or one be defense contractors.
Speaker:Alcohol fuel Night unfolded.
Speaker:All the movers and shakers Luman says were very keen to make themselves known to him.
Speaker:A lot of these people were wanting to introduce themselves and he also
Speaker:explaining the apparently mystical job of ministerial advisor police.
Speaker:He said he understood the gravity of his role.
Speaker:Among other things.
Speaker:He had been working on the submarine issue, a likely reference to
Speaker:the multi-billion dollar French nav group contract, which was
Speaker:going pear shaped at the time.
Speaker:And he prepared question time briefs.
Speaker:Joe, I'd been banging on about the submarines for seven and a half years.
Speaker:No wonder the whole thing is a mess.
Speaker:We've got 23 year olds running the show.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:like, look, he doesn't, according to his resume, it, I mean, it's possible
Speaker:for a 23 year old to be some brilliant.
Speaker:Person potentially.
Speaker:I guess it'd be a pretty rare egg, but gee, lack of life experience.
Speaker:I remember what a deal I was at 23.
Speaker:Like we thought that you'd be put in some responsible position like this.
Speaker:So little experience about life.
Speaker:It's just you'd been there for five years.
Speaker:What more do you need?
Speaker:Yeah, just just no wonder the decision making is as poor as it has been
Speaker:when you've got young pups of 23 with no qualifications run in the show.
Speaker:I, I
Speaker:do wonder though, the 200 k how many hours they actually work for
Speaker:that Crazy hours.
Speaker:No doubt.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean it's, it's interesting.
Speaker:We pe yeah, we, we hear these figures banded.
Speaker:and then you actually look at it and it's 80 hour weeks.
Speaker:So they're effectively working two
Speaker:jobs.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:. Yep.
Speaker:So, it's like we've got an advertisement popped up, Joe . Mm-hmm.
Speaker:. So, Roman in the chat room says there are lots of people like him
Speaker:working in ministerial offices.
Speaker:When I was in a Victorian public servant, when I was a Victorian public servant, we
Speaker:used to call them the pointy shoe brigade.
Speaker:So there we go.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Just on the submarines Australia, under this new labor government
Speaker:seems to be still keen on buying American nuclear submarines.
Speaker:And I saw this tweet from a guy that said, let's just cut out the middle man.
Speaker:Australia's nuclear submarines should be built in the US crude by US Navy
Speaker:soldiers paid for by US taxpayers based in the US and sail under the US flag.
Speaker:That's a good idea.
Speaker:Let's cut out the middle man.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Julia Banks.
Speaker:Former liberal mp.
Speaker:So when the marriage equality legislation was passed in 2017, she
Speaker:was one of the few one of seven mps who voted for it without any amendment.
Speaker:A liberal show in the sense of an old fashion, true liberal, yes.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:. So that was in 2017, marriage Equality.
Speaker:And soon after, in 2018, she says in this article in the New Daily,
Speaker:it seemed that the floodgates had been opened as new liberal members
Speaker:started entering my electorate.
Speaker:And social media research revealed that many of them were self-declared
Speaker:Pentecostal Mormons or from minor ripening parties such as family First.
Speaker:Resurgence in membership coincided with rumors swirling that members of
Speaker:the religious right were mobilizing to challenge me and other moderates
Speaker:at the upcoming pre-election ahead of the 2019 federal election.
Speaker:So, which Alleg was this?
Speaker:Excuse me, Victoria.
Speaker:So, okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The federal seat in Victoria.
Speaker:In March, 2018, the Victorian State Council meeting reminded her of
Speaker:an image of Morrison that surfaced when he was raising his hands at a
Speaker:prayer gathering of Pentecostals.
Speaker:But the state council meeting wasn't held in a church, but it just
Speaker:reminded her of being in a church.
Speaker:She said busloads of people arrived.
Speaker:Some of the party faithful like me were shocked at these arrivals.
Speaker:I asked one of my fellow moderate colleagues who they were, and he
Speaker:answered the Mormons Pentecost, the religious right, you know,
Speaker:the stacks, which we short for.
Speaker:Branch stacked members like school kids on an excursion, they were all
Speaker:handled, handed a cardboard lunchbox of sandwiches, which were reserved
Speaker:for these bus passengers only.
Speaker:And as if in exchange for a lunch and a free bus ride, their vote was
Speaker:intended to ensure that the right wingers of the party were elected
Speaker:to all the important positions.
Speaker:Fast forward to 2022 and she says the Victorian liberal party's state election
Speaker:campaign was dominated by tax and negativity, bolstered by the Murdoch.
Speaker:Press shock me.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And she said, yet every day we were learning that the liberals had
Speaker:pre-selected or preferred racist misogynist, the ultra religious homophobes
Speaker:or anti-vax, or climate climate deniers.
Speaker:So, so there we go.
Speaker:Confirmation of all the things we've been saying.
Speaker:And she was at a liberal party, a.
Speaker:Conference and just busloads of them arriving with a pre-packed lunch bag.
Speaker:You're these people.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There's no hope for the liberal party.
Speaker:They're done and dusted.
Speaker:They, they,
Speaker:it has to be said.
Speaker:They're better at organizing than we.
Speaker:The secularists are, are indeed.
Speaker:They know all about teamwork.
Speaker:So look, just speaking of crazy religion people content warning, the
Speaker:Governor General's wife, this latest one, they're popping up everywhere.
Speaker:I, I really wanna see one of her who hooping while reading the Bible.
Speaker:I haven't seen any video of that.
Speaker:If somebody can see you, let me know that on fans, I dunno about that.
Speaker:And this one, she's in a coffee shop and basically just costs the people
Speaker:in the coffee shop and forces them to get up and, and start singing.
Speaker:And of course you know what the tune will be.
Speaker:I got someone else in mind.
Speaker:My sunshine, sunshine, you make me happy when I'll stop there.
Speaker:It goes on.
Speaker:She makes people sing three verses and the middle verse, you have to
Speaker:look at the person beside you and you face each other and you sing to
Speaker:each other in a very personal way.
Speaker:And then in the third verse, it's back to we're all part
Speaker:of a group and all the rest.
Speaker:So, so, Hey Joe, do you wanna put the chat back up on the screen or
Speaker:or is it Yeah, it should be fine.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So yes, that was the governor General's wife.
Speaker:You're not even safe in a coffee shop.
Speaker:She'll start a sing along.
Speaker:It
Speaker:reminds me of the happy clappers on the plane.
Speaker:You remember that
Speaker:video?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:It was like a hostage situation, two group, and they started firing
Speaker:up with their guitar and mm-hmm.
Speaker:plane had to put up with it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I think Shane had some ideas what, what she would've done
Speaker:as cabin crew on that flight.
Speaker:So pressurize the
Speaker:plane, limit the number of oxygen musks.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, okay.
Speaker:Scott Morrison, he was censored, censored in parliament and I think actually
Speaker:surely sensored rather than censored.
Speaker:Yeah, sensored.
Speaker:And let me find the clip.
Speaker:One of the things about listening to Scott Morrison.
Speaker:These days, it's so nice.
Speaker:When you hear his voice and you think, thank God we don't have to listen
Speaker:to that every night on the news.
Speaker:So here is a little bit of what he had to say when he was being
Speaker:hauled over the coals for secretly signing up for different ministries.
Speaker:But if there was one line in the speech today by the man now known
Speaker:in Parliament, simply as the member for Cook, that drew Audible gasps
Speaker:from those present, it was this.
Speaker:Had I
Speaker:been asked about these matters at the time, at the numerous press conferences
Speaker:I held, I would've responded truthfully about the arrangements I had put in place.
Speaker:Are there any other portfolios that you assumed any control over?
Speaker:Not to my recollection, Ben.
Speaker:I'm, I'm, I'm pursuing that, so health finance resources,
Speaker:that is my understanding.
Speaker:But if that, if that is, if there's anything different to that, then
Speaker:I'm, you know, then I'm, I'm happy for that to be disclosed.
Speaker:So, so two things.
Speaker:Had I been asked.
Speaker:About the secret things I was doing, I was doing totally truthful.
Speaker:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker:It's your fault for not asking me about the things that I was keeping secret.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:and then enough evidence to show, even when it all blew up, he couldn't,
Speaker:he claimed to not know which ones he was a he'd signed up for anyway.
Speaker:So even if somebody did say, are you secretly signing yourself up as a minister
Speaker:in different capacities, he would've gone, oh, I dunno, I'll get back to you.
Speaker:What classic Scott Morrison didn't, yeah.
Speaker:Did not pass master with anybody.
Speaker:So, but you know, when you do hear him talk, you think, oh, thank God I
Speaker:don't have to put up with that anymore.
Speaker:So that's Scott Morrison.
Speaker:Hello to Allison, who's just joined us in the chat room as well.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:All the, you know, he did do one thing with these special ministries.
Speaker:He He canceled that gas drilling off the coast of Sydney, not because he
Speaker:is necessarily against gas drilling, it's just that it was a particular
Speaker:electorate that he was keen to shore up and that's gonna end up in court one day.
Speaker:The drilling company behind that is going to say, hang on a minute.
Speaker:The minister that we thought was responsible was
Speaker:willing for us to go ahead.
Speaker:And it turned out the minister that we didn't know anything about
Speaker:was the one who decided that we weren't gonna be allowed to drill.
Speaker:So that will end up in court one day, see what happens.
Speaker:And it was a pathetic conga line of liberal mps who then walked past Morrison
Speaker:as they exited the Parliament House and shook his hand and patted him on
Speaker:the bat and said, good on you, Scott.
Speaker:We're still your friend.
Speaker:It was just apathetic.
Speaker:What a rebel.
Speaker:What an absolute rebel.
Speaker:So that was Scott Morrison and we are nearly done with religious stuff.
Speaker:Just got one more for you.
Speaker:I really like these guys talking kids, and I'll just play you something
Speaker:because we've got lots of Christmas things happening around the place.
Speaker:You might be invited to Carols by candlelight at your local school or,
Speaker:or, or maybe even a nativity play.
Speaker:So, if you are watching a nativity play keep this one in mind.
Speaker:Colin from Portsmouth is on the line.
Speaker:Hello, Colin.
Speaker:I am disgusted, absolutely disgusted.
Speaker:What's happened now, Colin?
Speaker:My grand's primary school are doing their nativity play, right?
Speaker:But the school's gone woke, of course.
Speaker:Oh no, not another school gone woke.
Speaker:What they doing, Colin?
Speaker:They're having a pregnant migrant woman crossing a border with
Speaker:our husband, who isn't even.
Speaker:And we are supposed to be happy that they're given a warm place to stay.
Speaker:Well, that is the nativity story, isn't it, Colin?
Speaker:That's quite accurate.
Speaker:Oh, you'd love it if the Bible told us to be nice to refugees, wouldn't you?
Speaker:That would suit your Ramona agenda down to the ground.
Speaker:They're brainwashing our kids.
Speaker:And Richie Green Fingers Son Act is doing nothing.
Speaker:What role is your grandson playing?
Speaker:Colin?
Speaker:What part?
Speaker:The donkey.
Speaker:The donkey.
Speaker:That's lovely.
Speaker:The biblical version of a small boat crossing the channel.
Speaker:I've gotta tell him on the day.
Speaker:Son, you refuse to take him.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Show a bit of backbone.
Speaker:Unlike this wo tofu eating, Maia, we call the uk.
Speaker:Tell Gary, bloody Linea and James O'Brien.
Speaker:We are not rolling over.
Speaker:Where is a herd when you need one, Colin?
Speaker:Well, you say what you like about one of the most tyrannical
Speaker:rulers in the ancient world, but at least he'd bring in ID cards.
Speaker:Anyway, Anthony, thanks having me on.
Speaker:Love to the family.
Speaker:Love to the family.
Speaker:Colin.
Speaker:Love to the family.
Speaker:That's stable.
Speaker:Spot.
Speaker:You good for?
Speaker:Where's a herd when you need one?
Speaker:. They're good.
Speaker:James had a good comment in the chatroom.
Speaker:He said, will the drilling companies complaint be that they should be
Speaker:compensated for lobbying fees for the hours spent lobbying the wrong minister.
Speaker:That's good, James.
Speaker:I like that one.
Speaker:That is good.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Nativity plays and end
Speaker:Dear.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Catholic Hospitals this is from the abc.
Speaker:This is a long article, but it's, it's very instructive and, you
Speaker:know, we bang on about schools a lot with religious instruction lessons.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:and we bang on about chaplains, but we probably don't bang off bang on enough
Speaker:about what's going on in hospitals.
Speaker:So,
Speaker:hospitals and nursing homes.
Speaker:Both, I
Speaker:think.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, okay.
Speaker:It began with a simple request from a patient, an interuterine device.
Speaker:I U d I wrote up the report for her GP recounts, the patient's doctor
Speaker:who worked at one of Australia's public, public Catholic hospitals.
Speaker:But then I was called over by my supervisor who told me to change the
Speaker:wording and say that we were supplying the i u D for acne rather than birth control.
Speaker:And the doctor was shocked at first time this sort of thing had ever happened.
Speaker:And on the surface, the hospital is an ordinary public hospital in a
Speaker:big city, but like 20 other public hospitals around the country, it's
Speaker:run by a Catholic code of ethics.
Speaker:Is that an oxymoron?
Speaker:Joan?
Speaker:Code of ethics, A Catholic code of ethics.
Speaker:I think you can have a code of ethics even if it doesn't align
Speaker:with other people's.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:You just can't have a good Catholic code of ethics perhaps, but yeah.
Speaker:This code, which applies to both public and private Catholic hospitals advises
Speaker:against contraception, pregnancy termination, ivf, voluntary assisted
Speaker:dying, and even the provision of abortion medication to rape victims in
Speaker:sexual and reproductive health matters.
Speaker:The responsibility of Catholic healthcare is to give counsel, which is both
Speaker:medically accurate and to witness to the teachings of Christ and his church.
Speaker:So the code says so workers have to speak anonymously for fear
Speaker:of losing their job and confirm that workarounds are widespread.
Speaker:And one of them said how time consuming and embarrassing it was.
Speaker:To have to ask GPS to rewrite i u d referrals so that they're
Speaker:not for birth control, but for something like a heavy period.
Speaker:So a lot of the records are completely false and there's so
Speaker:much fudging of documentation.
Speaker:It's difficult to see what's going on in the health system.
Speaker:All the data is meaningless.
Speaker:There's a Melbourne woman, Leslie, she had precancerous cells lasered off her cervix,
Speaker:which meant removing her copper i u d.
Speaker:But when she asked to be replaced, hospital could only offer a
Speaker:hormonal i u d as they can be used to treat heavy periods.
Speaker:And she didn't want a hormonal i u d cuz she'd had a bad reaction in the past.
Speaker:She wanted a copper one.
Speaker:So in order to get a copper i u d inserted, she had to bring it herself.
Speaker:Another day.
Speaker:Around 10% of hospitals in Australia are Catholic run, but for maternity
Speaker:and gynecological care, they're some of our most influential players.
Speaker:And there was a Melbourne mum who was having excruciating menstrual
Speaker:periods, and this was happening sort of 12 days out of 18.
Speaker:Very, very painful.
Speaker:A doctor proposed a procedure called end endometrial ablation that could end her
Speaker:period forever, which would be great.
Speaker:The only problem was if she happened to fall pregnant, it would be extremely
Speaker:dangerous, but she didn't mind.
Speaker:The doctor said she should get her tubes tied as a precaution,
Speaker:that way you won't fall pregnant while you have this condition.
Speaker:And she was happy cuz she'd finished having children.
Speaker:And normally it would all be done in one operation.
Speaker:Get the end endometrial ablation and get your tubes tied at the same time.
Speaker:But guess what The Catholic hospital said no can do.
Speaker:You'll have to have.
Speaker:Two separate surgeries at two different hospitals.
Speaker:And so she's a single mom.
Speaker:She'd have to find care for her children.
Speaker:She'd have to recover twice.
Speaker:And there's always a risk Joe in operations.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:and aesthetic and all the rest of it.
Speaker:You don't undergo two operations if you can do it in one
Speaker:hit, it's not good practice.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:So eventually behind the scenes to get around this, they had to get another
Speaker:surgeon into the operating theater.
Speaker:So one did the ablation and the other one S tube allegation.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:They they just changed over during the middle of the operation.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:now crazy.
Speaker:There's stories in this about women who there's a problem with
Speaker:the fetus where they need to.
Speaker:Have something done urgently.
Speaker:But the hospital's kind of saying, well, well, as a heartbeat, we are going to
Speaker:not do anything until the mother is in real serious life threatening trouble.
Speaker:Even though we know that is going to happen.
Speaker:It's just a matter of days and stories of staff having to say to women, check
Speaker:yourself out of here and go to the hospital down the road because we can't
Speaker:do anything for you, and you're gonna get really sick, and this hospital is not
Speaker:gonna treat you until you are really sick.
Speaker:It's insane.
Speaker:Joe, there was an Indian
Speaker:woman in Dublin who died from a repair and the last couple of years.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Because they refused to give her an abortion Yes.
Speaker:Until she was septic.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Because the fetus had died, it was dead and rotting inside her
Speaker:and they wouldn't have bought it.
Speaker:Must have still had a heartbeat of some sort.
Speaker:Did I?
Speaker:I don't
Speaker:know.
Speaker:I'm not, I can't remember the details, but I do remember that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So, so a series of just horror stories of this type in this article, it's in the
Speaker:show notes, which all the patrons get.
Speaker:And of course you know, the junior doctors in the system don't get experience in
Speaker:dealing with procedures that they should be getting experience with because
Speaker:the hospital is avoiding these things.
Speaker:And it's a frightening tale of what's going on in these hospitals.
Speaker:And we are supporting these hospitals with taxpayer money.
Speaker:And it's just going on so, well, I mean,
Speaker:Wasn't it Perth?
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, the only public hospital in town is.
Speaker:Catholic hospital and they actually had to build a separate unit with
Speaker:a separate entrance round the back to provide medical care that the
Speaker:Catholic hospital wouldn't provide.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:. So it was terminations and I'm not sure
Speaker:what else.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:So there's a group children by Choice, take calls from women all over Queensland.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, and apparently in Brisbane there's a problem if you're on the south side
Speaker:because the majority of hospitals on the south side are operating
Speaker:under this Catholic code of ethics.
Speaker:And what they're having to do in many cases is help women fudge their
Speaker:address to be a North side address so they can go to the Royal Hospital
Speaker:on the north side to get treatment because the south side is such a mess.
Speaker:What.
Speaker:Insanity.
Speaker:We've got a labor state government full of women at the top who
Speaker:handed over the MARTA Children.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:To the, well, sorry.
Speaker:They decided to build the new children's hospital on MARTA grounds, and I believe
Speaker:there's some deal that after whatever it is, 99 years, they hand the whole
Speaker:thing back to the MARTA Hospital.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's
Speaker:currently run by Queensland Health.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:But at the end of that lease, it's handed
Speaker:back to them.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I think in the secular world, I know that you know, the Rationalists
Speaker:Association are doing a lot with prayers and parliament and the schools.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, you just don't make enough noise about the hospital system
Speaker:and it's the next frontier.
Speaker:I think so Let me see.
Speaker:Oh, just in Victoria.
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:You wanna say something?
Speaker:I was gonna say I actually go to the martyr for my Crohn's
Speaker:and they've been excellent.
Speaker:But, but I'd rather it was a state run facility than indeed a, a
Speaker:religious facility that happens to get government funding to look
Speaker:after me.
Speaker:Indeed.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Fiona Park, pat in Victoria.
Speaker:So for the past eight years, she's represented the northern suburbs
Speaker:of Melbourne home to the St.
Speaker:Vincent's Hospitals and many of the women zoned to the Mercy Hospital for women.
Speaker:And earlier this year, she introduced a bill that would stop public Victorian
Speaker:public hospitals from refusing procedures on religious grounds.
Speaker:Her bill did not affect the right for individual healthcare workers
Speaker:to refuse to provide services.
Speaker:If it went against their conscience, it just stopped hospitals having
Speaker:blanket bans, but it was voted down by the Dan Andrews government.
Speaker:Ms.
Speaker:Patton believes the government did not want to attract controversy
Speaker:so close to an election.
Speaker:That's disappointing.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, hopefully
Speaker:they can revive it now that he's convincingly won.
Speaker:Yes, hopefully.
Speaker:Ah, so it's quite a long and lengthy article from ABC News, but worth reading.
Speaker:It was,
Speaker:it was the Catholic ethicist who says that Fiona's bill was
Speaker:undemocratic and undesirable.
Speaker:So apparently Democratic is funding private institutions to enforce
Speaker:their rules on public patients.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Just briefly back on.
Speaker:The liberals in the Victorian election there was an article by Peter, Peter
Speaker:Credlin in the Australian, and there's just one sentence that stuck out, which
Speaker:was the problem with the liberals main election pitch to spend 20 billion more on
Speaker:hospitals and to cut all public transport fairs to just $2, was that it didn't
Speaker:particularly reflect liberal values large
Speaker:L liberal, not
Speaker:small l liberal.
Speaker:So problem was didn't, the policy didn't reflect they were two kinds poor people.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:And that doesn't
Speaker:reflect the liberal
Speaker:party.
Speaker:Maybe the problem was Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:It's obvious.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:National anti-corruption commission, so, One's been established now
Speaker:passed through the parliament.
Speaker:Bit of haggling at the end, but on the whole seems to be a pretty good result.
Speaker:We've been asking for a federal IAC for a long time.
Speaker:You have Joe, one of your favorites.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And fairly broad jurisdiction.
Speaker:They can make findings, refer stuff to the dpp, can initiate their own
Speaker:investigations, as well as respond to whistleblowers, are able to
Speaker:investigate potential wrongdoing and stuff that occurred retrospectively.
Speaker:Yeah, that's the critical one,
Speaker:isn't it?
Speaker:Although, referring people off to the afp.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, which it's been alleged, is just a puppet of the liberal.
Speaker:Well, it's still the federal police director of public prosecutions.
Speaker:I mean, DPP is different, but yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So either one, I guess.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Retrospective stuff that will be interesting.
Speaker:I'm gonna talk a bit later about Australia's behavior regarding East
Speaker:Timor and in particular Alexander Downer and some of the stuff that happened.
Speaker:So, but the
Speaker:persecution of people who brought that to the subject public attention.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And, you know, the benefits that flowed to certain oil companies and then the
Speaker:people who ended up getting jobs with those same oil companies would be very
Speaker:fertile ground for a group like this.
Speaker:So the retrospective one's great.
Speaker:They'll be busy for years.
Speaker:If you're a young lawyer and you want a job for the next 20
Speaker:years, sign up for that one,
Speaker:although didn't famously What was the Queensland anti-corruption?
Speaker:I dunno what the name of it was.
Speaker:No, no.
Speaker:The inquiry.
Speaker:Oh, you mean following James?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Didn't
Speaker:Fitzgerald say he would never do such a thing again?
Speaker:It it took such a toll
Speaker:on him.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Mind you, he was getting on and it was a big job and he was the head of it.
Speaker:But yeah.
Speaker:Anyway, there's plenty of work.
Speaker:There is what I'm saying.
Speaker:It's billion industries.
Speaker:So the problem, if there is a problem is that the power to hold public hearings
Speaker:is only under exceptional circumstances when they are in the public interest.
Speaker:And even what you said earlier, Joe, about wanting to see all sorts of
Speaker:criminal trials available online.
Speaker:Justice needs to be seen to be done.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:So it should be the other way around where it's gonna be public.
Speaker:Unless there's a very, very good reason why it shouldn't be, I would've thought.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Because of some national security interest.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Which should be determined by somebody independent anyway.
Speaker:That's a good result except for that minor part, but you know, you can't have
Speaker:everything I guess so yeah, they've got a few, you know, if they did nothing
Speaker:else in their first six months, the Labor Party just sort of getting that done.
Speaker:Not bad.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Add to it, they actually got a meeting with ing, our premier trading
Speaker:partner and a few other things they've been up to, but they've done.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Still lots more they could do.
Speaker:Did you hear the rumor that That Russian president Putin pooped his pants.
Speaker:Well, apparently, you know, all, all great world leaders
Speaker:seems to be a thing, doesn't it?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Tweet by emergency and bushfire kids said that it may not have happened,
Speaker:but if it did, I think it was on the bed that Trump pissed on for a full
Speaker:circle of dictator feces and Rine gross.
Speaker:Fuck Weasy.
Speaker:So, yeah, I thought,
Speaker:I thought it was the prostitutes that pissed on the bed, not Trump.
Speaker:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, yeah.
Speaker:Anyway.
Speaker:Ah, speaking of Putin, there's a battle going on in the UK over nurses
Speaker:wages, nurses wanna pay increase, and you're thinking, yes, well,
Speaker:what's that got to do with Putin?
Speaker:And I.
Speaker:A cabinet minister in the UK Parliament said, nurses must drop their pay demands
Speaker:to send a clear message to Putin that we're not gonna be divided in this way.
Speaker:That's one of the arguments why nurses
Speaker:has he come from the 1970s?
Speaker:One of the arguments because, because the Soviet Union used
Speaker:to prop up the labor movements.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So historically that was the talking point that the unions were stooges for Russia.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I wonder if this is just a leftover from the Cold
Speaker:War.
Speaker:It's a slightly different argument.
Speaker:Well, he just grasping at straws when he's saying, probably we wanna send a mo
Speaker:a message to Putin, see how tough we are.
Speaker:We can even deny nurses a reasonable wage increase.
Speaker:So you better not cross.
Speaker:Yeah, he is, I believe the English term is aoc Womble.
Speaker:Yeah, he was doing it to show unity, basically.
Speaker:Look at us Putin, we'll deny nurses and they will embrace that denial
Speaker:because we are all, all working together as one against our enemies.
Speaker:Including you.
Speaker:That's the argument.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Trump's tax returns.
Speaker:So apparently Trump's been hiding these for seven years and they're now been made
Speaker:available and the relevant authorities are working their way through them.
Speaker:And Joe, I said before that, you know, the federal anti-corruption commission mm-hmm.
Speaker:would be a growth industry.
Speaker:I think people trolling through Donald Trump's tax
Speaker:returns looking for legal work.
Speaker:That's also a growth industry.
Speaker:Can you imagine what's gonna come outta this?
Speaker:All, he smokes
Speaker:all the payments to the prostitutes to be on the bed.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:He would've been claiming them as a tax deduction.
Speaker:Yeah, I reckon business is expense.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:You didn't see, I'm gonna keep calling him Kanye, just because is that
Speaker:offensive to just ignore his Yay.
Speaker:Probably.
Speaker:You're probably dead naming him.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I dunno.
Speaker:Kanye.
Speaker:Yay.
Speaker:Anyway, he was on the Alex Jones show and he was wearing this weird face mask over
Speaker:his head, so you couldn't see him at all.
Speaker:It was like, imagine a Bella claver without the eyes and
Speaker:the nose and the mouth cut out.
Speaker:Like I, it's like a giant sock over his head.
Speaker:Imagine that and.
Speaker:There is ranting about how good Hitler was and Alex Jones, even
Speaker:Alex Jones is thinking, I've gotta turn this guy back a bit.
Speaker:I've gotta help him mine this back.
Speaker:And as you're watching this, towards the end, you'll see this guy, fus Fuentes was
Speaker:the guy I mentioned a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker:Another far right.
Speaker:Crazy guy.
Speaker:And he's just giggling at this cuz he's loving it cuz he's so antisemitic.
Speaker:S so just as you're listening to this take into appreciation
Speaker:that Alex Jones is, is kind of the reasonable character in this.
Speaker:And and it's very interesting.
Speaker:I'll play.
Speaker:You're not Hitler, you're not a Nazi.
Speaker:You don't deserve to be called that and demonized.
Speaker:Well, I, I see, I, I see good things about Hitler, also, the Jew.
Speaker:I love everyone.
Speaker:And Jewish people are not gonna tell me, you can love you know us
Speaker:and you can love what we're doing to you with the contracts, and you
Speaker:can love what we're, you know, what we're pushing with the pornography.
Speaker:But this guy that invented highways invented the very microphone
Speaker:that I use as a musician.
Speaker:You can't say out loud that this person ever did anything good.
Speaker:And I'm done with that.
Speaker:I'm done with the classifications.
Speaker:Every human being has something of value that they brought to the
Speaker:table, especially Hitler, the most Nazi like activities I've seen.
Speaker:And, and the Nazis in my view were thugs that shut people down to a lot of really
Speaker:bad things, but they did good things too.
Speaker:We're gonna stop dissing the Nazis all the time.
Speaker:Okay, well, CNN says why people are evil Nazis.
Speaker:So, I mean, I, I disagree with both statements, but I get the, yeah, I
Speaker:don't like the word evil next to Nazis.
Speaker:I think we need to look at . Oh my goodness.
Speaker:Just because you don't like one group doesn't mean the, but look, I love Jewish
Speaker:people, but I also love Nazis . Oh man.
Speaker:Well, I have to disagree with that.
Speaker:I don't think Hitler was a good guy.
Speaker:I get the the Hugo Boss uniforms.
Speaker:Amazing.
Speaker:But I mean, just cuz you're in love with the design, you're a designer.
Speaker:Can we just kinda say you like the, you like the uniforms, but that's about it.
Speaker:No, we, we, no, I, there's a lot of things that I love about Hitler.
Speaker:A lot of
Speaker:things.
Speaker:Well, at least he made the trains for a long time.
Speaker:Wasn't that the old trope?
Speaker:He, he.
Speaker:Made the trains
Speaker:run on time.
Speaker:He made Hitler made the trains run on time.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Cameron, my Riley had this saying, say what you like about Hitler,
Speaker:but at least he killed Hitler.
Speaker:No, that's true.
Speaker:Look, yay has got mental health issues.
Speaker:So, he's, his, his handlers should be protecting him.
Speaker:But they're not, it wasn't him.
Speaker:You didn't see his face.
Speaker:You can't prove it was him.
Speaker:He wasn't
Speaker:there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So
Speaker:it might have been miscellaneous who made the trains run on time.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Ah, okay.
Speaker:It might have been mis well they'll be mentioned of miscellaneous in a moment.
Speaker:Let me just let me just run through my notes here.
Speaker:So, yeah.
Speaker:So when Alex Jones is a voice of sanity, the conversation has gone into the
Speaker:abyss and What else did I have on here?
Speaker:So that's, you know, how America has descended and yeah.
Speaker:People are trying to explain this and figure it out in America.
Speaker:So there was, there's this guy Aiden Ross, , he is some sort of YouTuber type
Speaker:guy and he's trying to figure things out and he's thinking, what does fascism mean?
Speaker:And so he googles while he is online doing a live stream actually, and
Speaker:says, So the, the relevant part on, on the Googles is fascism is a far
Speaker:right authoritarian, ultranationalist, political ideology and movement
Speaker:characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militar forceable,
Speaker:civil suppression of opposition.
Speaker:So this guy though, when he looks this up and is live streaming it to people
Speaker:and wanting to sort of talk about what is fascism, sees that definition in
Speaker:Wikipedia, and here's what he's doing.
Speaker:What does a fascist li?
Speaker:It means you are a far right authorization on you.
Speaker:Ultra.
Speaker:Ultra.
Speaker:Ultra, oh my God.
Speaker:Ultra, an analyst, political ideology, movement characterized by dictator,
Speaker:leadership, centralized auto Caity militar for forcible suppression.
Speaker:Suppression of opposition.
Speaker:I don't know what that means, right?
Speaker:I swear to God, I don't know what the fuck Aism is.
Speaker:I don't know what the fuck that is.
Speaker:Benito Mazuli and GI Gentile and Jason Stanley.
Speaker:Like, who the fuck are these people, bro?
Speaker:Never heard of my fucking life.
Speaker:What is an example of a fastest yo?
Speaker:Right, bro.
Speaker:See what I'm saying, Chad?
Speaker:Like, this is why I don't fuck with y'all, bro.
Speaker:Like, dude, like this is what the fuck.
Speaker:I don't, bro.
Speaker:I don't fuck with y'all, bro.
Speaker:The Benito MA reference was to Benito Masini, of course.
Speaker:So it just sort you know, when the education level
Speaker:is so poor amongst a large.
Speaker:Percentage of the population that they can't even Google something and read
Speaker:it because of the poor education level, then you are really behind the eight
Speaker:ball in getting your society to function.
Speaker:So now he's a successful guy making millions of dollars from some social media
Speaker:type of empire he is got, but struggles to, to read some admittedly above average
Speaker:difficult words, but doesn't come close to pronouncing, let alone understanding.
Speaker:So where does society go to when you're dealing with that?
Speaker:Yeah, I,
Speaker:I think I grew up in the only part of the British Isles that were invaded
Speaker:by the Germans, by the Nazis, right?
Speaker:And so I grew up with the legacies of the Nazi era around and I
Speaker:was very, very aware of it.
Speaker:In fact, one of my, my German teacher at school had worked as a
Speaker:translator during Nure Bogue trials.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Which was a good way of getting out of a German lesson, was to ask him about
Speaker:a, his time teaching at the school during the, the, the Nazi occupation,
Speaker:but also about the trials afterwards.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And the teacher would launch into stories.
Speaker:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker:It's fascinating.
Speaker:Would be, yeah.
Speaker:Very
Speaker:good.
Speaker:So, so I, to me it's astonishing that people could be that far
Speaker:removed from it, but Yeah.
Speaker:If it's not that close to home, if you've not, yeah.
Speaker:I grew up playing in German bunkers.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:That it'd been built with slave labor.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:So, so, so, yeah.
Speaker:To me it's very
Speaker:close to home.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:Learn something every day about you, Joe.
Speaker:So here's another clip.
Speaker:So, Young Turks is a program where they discuss things going on and what
Speaker:you'll hear is a lady on the Young Turks basically bemoaning what Kanye's saying.
Speaker:But there is a a this guy Vincent James, who's an antisemitic white,
Speaker:nationalist, another influencer.
Speaker:So this is the sort of stuff going on in America the sort of
Speaker:commentary people are hearing.
Speaker:Those of you who like me have a problem with Christianity are
Speaker:gonna love this thing at the end.
Speaker:Here we go.
Speaker:I'll play this one.
Speaker:I mean, they're parading around literally a mentally ill person who is
Speaker:spewing the most vicious, antisemitic garbage about a man who slaughtered
Speaker:millions of people, slaughtered them.
Speaker:I like.
Speaker:That's what he said.
Speaker:He said that he liked him.
Speaker:I just, he did some great things.
Speaker:What did he do that was so great?
Speaker:I just can't, I can't with these people.
Speaker:What's worse slaughtering mil?
Speaker:One person slaughtering millions of people or a group of people
Speaker:slaughtering Jesus Christ.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:Trust a Christian to explain things, Joe.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Or just in maybe you Just an antisemite maybe.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean, the problem I have with Young Turks, other than their political
Speaker:bias, yes, it is the whole of, from what I understand, don't they not
Speaker:believe in the Armenian genocide?
Speaker:I think they named themselves the Young Turks before they
Speaker:understood the Armenian gen.
Speaker:But, but
Speaker:I'm fairly sure that he's come out and said that he doesn't believe it.
Speaker:I'm sure, I think there was a political uff about it.
Speaker:He may have changed since, but Right.
Speaker:I thought there was a whole thing about
Speaker:it.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:A Holocaust nier, basically.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Anyway, what she was saying, even though it was the Young Turks, was
Speaker:perfectly reasonable of course.
Speaker:And actually a good point that this guy's got mental health issues.
Speaker:But yeah, the commentator was oh, what's worse group of people killing Jesus?
Speaker:Just state the world.
Speaker:Dear listener, this podcast is getting depressing again.
Speaker:Can I improve things?
Speaker:As long as you don't, they, governor
Speaker:General's
Speaker:wife, We're in hard times.
Speaker:Much sadness in all day.
Speaker:Look out in the end, we'll be
Speaker:okay.
Speaker:You wanna be, you might get a copyright strike
Speaker:in the end.
Speaker:We'll be okay.
Speaker:Sorry, in the chatroom.
Speaker:Should have had a warning anyway.
Speaker:Can I cheer you up?
Speaker:Oh, well, you know, in the UK we have the railway sort of strikes happening.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:and, oh, I can't remember the name of the guy in charge of the
Speaker:railway union, but Nick Lynch, I think it is, speaks really well.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, is it Mc Lynch?
Speaker:Really, really well.
Speaker:I remember, but sounds familiar.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So different story happening in America according to Chris Hedges.
Speaker:So, Back in 1926, there was some severe rail strikes.
Speaker:So back then, the federal government passed the railway Labor Act to
Speaker:give itself power to impose labor settlements on the rail industry.
Speaker:And this year, the Biden administration used this authority to broker a
Speaker:agreement that would ensure a 24% pay increase by 2024 and an annual
Speaker:thousand dollars bonuses in a freeze on rising healthcare costs.
Speaker:But workers would be permitted.
Speaker:Only one paid personal day and no paid sick leave.
Speaker:So, of the 12 unions involved in the deal, four of them representing
Speaker:56% of the union membership refused to ratify it, but it was signed
Speaker:into legislation by Biden Anyway.
Speaker:Relying on this old 1926 act, apparently the the crewing levels
Speaker:are so bad that they just can't allow people to take time off.
Speaker:And so they're just telling them Nope, you're not having any sick days.
Speaker:And there's evidence where people have worked even when they're sick.
Speaker:And one guy died because he didn't take time off to get his heart checked
Speaker:when he was having issues because he wasn't entitled to a sick day.
Speaker:And subsequently passed away from a heart attack.
Speaker:So president of the United States lost driving a
Speaker:train that might have changed
Speaker:things.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The president of the United States of the Democrats has forced railway workers
Speaker:into an agreement where they are not allowed a single day of sick leave.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, there we go.
Speaker:Not getting any better.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Ah
Speaker:chips.
Speaker:Joan Microchips.
Speaker:This is an interesting topic that micro these computer chips.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, it's coming like the oil of, of the seventies will be these sort of chips.
Speaker:You don't
Speaker:send you that article about chip manufacturing.
Speaker:I dunno.
Speaker:It might be the one I'm about to read, possibly see if this sounds familiar.
Speaker:So a former US National Security Advisor, ambassador Robert O'Brien, uhlin credence
Speaker:to reports that the US will disable Taiwan's semiconductor chip manufacturing
Speaker:capabilities if China attempts to reunify the island with the main.
Speaker:If China takes Taiwan and takes those factories intact, which I don't think
Speaker:we would ever allow, they have a monopoly over chips the way OPEC has a
Speaker:monopoly, or even more than the way OPEC has a monopoly over oil O'Brien said.
Speaker:And apparently the US Army War College Press published a paper in
Speaker:2021, recommending that the US make credible threats to destroy Taiwan
Speaker:semiconductor manufacturing company, TSMC facilities, eliminating the most
Speaker:important supplier of Microprocessing chips to China and the world.
Speaker:And this paper was the most highly downloaded paper from the US Army War
Speaker:College and basically suggested a scorched earth strategy in the event that China
Speaker:actually took action against Taiwan.
Speaker:Basically blow up.
Speaker:The chip manufacturing facilities.
Speaker:Yeah, but
Speaker:that's not now, that's only in the case of an
Speaker:attack.
Speaker:Yeah, well, of course.
Speaker:I mean, I wouldn't do it now.
Speaker:I mean, because why do it now when there are other ways of doing it, like
Speaker:creating your own chip manufacturing industry in the United States.
Speaker:And so the US has passed the CHIPS Act where it's gonna provide 280 billion in
Speaker:subsidies to chip manufacturers, as well as technology and research development.
Speaker:280 billion.
Speaker:That will get you a fair bit of mm-hmm.
Speaker:chip development, I would've thought.
Speaker:So Taiwan's National Security Bureau Director, he denied that These
Speaker:sort of the scorched earth policy.
Speaker:And he said basically you wouldn't have to do it because he said
Speaker:tsm C'S global supply chain is reliant on industrial partners in
Speaker:countries including the Netherlands.
Speaker:So they don't need to destroy our factories because if they just sever
Speaker:the supply change for vital components, it'll be enough to hold production.
Speaker:That's a good way of saving you factories, Joe, is to say.
Speaker:But
Speaker:that assumes that China can't provide these critical parts.
Speaker:Are you trying to get these factories blowing up?
Speaker:Joe , maybe.
Speaker:So there we go.
Speaker:US Army War College saying, well, if they take Taiwan, let's
Speaker:just blow up the factories.
Speaker:Taiwan's saying, you don't have to do that.
Speaker:They'll be useless anyway.
Speaker:What's documentary about amd
Speaker:The other, the other competitor to Intel, basically.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And how they hadn't been competitive for many years and suddenly their value has
Speaker:gone up and they've just bought a couple of other chip manufacturing companies that
Speaker:do ju not just cuz they were concentrating on the server and desktop market and
Speaker:they've now gone into the embedded market.
Speaker:So they, they were boasting about Tesla's, most of the chips inside
Speaker:of Tesla are now coming from amd.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And other similar.
Speaker:So
Speaker:it as in and where's AMD made?
Speaker:The US.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:okay.
Speaker:It's, it's American something or other, I thought.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:They've definitely been.
Speaker:So when PCs became big in the nineties, it was Intel and amd that was the big war.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:and that's why Intel spent so much money advertising their brand.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:I came across something, I dunno if there's a podcast or a YouTube talking
Speaker:about, I think the Netherlands where there's this really high tech micro
Speaker:devices based in Santa
Speaker:Clara.
Speaker:Okay, there you go.
Speaker:Anyway, it's the it's the new sort of oil in the sense of the us having a close look
Speaker:and of course wanting to impose sanctions on China to restrict their access to the
Speaker:high quality chip manufacturing equipment.
Speaker:And China, of course, will be big enough and strong enough to
Speaker:develop its own manufacturing base, which we've talked about before,
Speaker:still going around the world.
Speaker:France has banned short domestic flights.
Speaker:So they've banned flights between cities that are linked by a train journey of
Speaker:less than two and a half hours, which is
Speaker:actually quite a distance given the tgv.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But it makes sense.
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:They've got, they have got a worldclass high speed intercity rail network.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:It makes a lot of sense.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:And they're cracking down on the use of private jets for short journeys as well.
Speaker:And of course they had to ask permission of the European Commission because
Speaker:the um, I think some sort of aircraft lobby group of some sort complained.
Speaker:But.
Speaker:The European Commission gave them approval because it was on environmental grounds.
Speaker:So there we go.
Speaker:That's a good move by France.
Speaker:More of that likely to happen, right?
Speaker:Where we up to 8 36.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Oil.
Speaker:We've mentioned before about this price cap.
Speaker:Russia has said they're not gonna accept the price cap.
Speaker:We're just not gonna sell it.
Speaker:We're not gonna accept your cap.
Speaker:If you don't want the price we suggest, then you're just not gonna get it.
Speaker:And the world seems to think that Russia will be compelled to sell it, but just
Speaker:don't see how that's gonna happen.
Speaker:So, well, they think if they're desperate
Speaker:enough, they'll be trying to raise funds and we'll be selling it to
Speaker:raise
Speaker:funds.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So one of the things coming outta this is.
Speaker:Like the shipping companies are not gonna be able to get insurance.
Speaker:So even say a country like India or China that might want to buy the oil is
Speaker:gonna have problems because the shipping companies will say, we don't have
Speaker:insurance, therefore we can't take the risk of transporting it to you because
Speaker:these insurance companies are, are bound by these same sort of embargo rules.
Speaker:And nobody else has said this, but I would've thought China
Speaker:would simply say to these shipping companies, we'll insure you.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, I would've thought so, didn't seem written anywhere, but just seemed
Speaker:to make sense to me that China would simply say to them, you're covered.
Speaker:Bring it over.
Speaker:We want some so it didn't seem that hard to me.
Speaker:Or Nice ship you've got there, we'll buy it from you and we'll do it ourselves.
Speaker:Or, or we'll rent it off you for a short period.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And if you ever wanna do business in China ever again, you will agree to this.
Speaker:Give us some of your fleet or whatever.
Speaker:Like, I think there are ways around this.
Speaker:I don't see, you know, little countries can't do this.
Speaker:Cuba is stuck.
Speaker:They can't do this.
Speaker:A big country, powerful country like China, it can do it.
Speaker:Or even India.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So we'll see, see where all that ends up.
Speaker:Meanwhile, I mean, Jim Charmers our treasurer, he's sort of making all the
Speaker:right, right noises and but he said the G seven agreement to cap Russian
Speaker:crude oil at US, $60 a barrel will help support stability in global energy
Speaker:markets and ease pressure on prices.
Speaker:He said Russia's invasion of Ukraine has forced up global energy prices.
Speaker:And raw havoc on global energy markets.
Speaker:So Russia has made it clear they're perfectly happy to sell the oil
Speaker:in exactly the way they were, the oil and gas that they were before.
Speaker:It's the buyers who are saying, we don't wanna buy it.
Speaker:But Russia has been saying all along, we want to sell it business as usual.
Speaker:Doesn't matter that we're at war with Ukraine.
Speaker:We will still sell you this stuff.
Speaker:So Jim Charmers seems to think that Russia is gonna just to capitulate
Speaker:to this US $60 barrel figure.
Speaker:That will be interesting to see how that all pans out.
Speaker:I was looking at some figures in terms of China doesn't run a deficit
Speaker:with many countries like China's running surpluses with most countries.
Speaker:But in terms of countries that have a deficit or China has a deficit with.
Speaker:The first number one is Taiwan, 156 billion.
Speaker:Next is Australia, 92.6 billion and third South Korea, 58 billion, Brazil,
Speaker:55, Japan, 37, Switzerland, 29.
Speaker:Saudi Arabia, 24.
Speaker:Saudi Arabia, 24 22.
Speaker:Malaysia, 18, Australia.
Speaker:Second place, 92 billion Like we are in such a lucky country position
Speaker:to be the second biggest supplier.
Speaker:Supplier to the ch, the biggest market in the world.
Speaker:Maybe we need
Speaker:to be careful.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Before they send gumbos down to us and sell us opium,
Speaker:Yeah, that's what I said before.
Speaker:It's not easy.
Speaker:Send a gunboat.
Speaker:Perhaps if there was a risk of.
Speaker:China or some other enemy sending enemy warships from Asia to Australia, then
Speaker:it would've been handy to have a really good ally, I don't know, somewhere
Speaker:off the northwest coast of Australia, maybe around East Timor for example.
Speaker:You know, if we had a great relationship with East Timor, given it's almost
Speaker:the last stopping off point gateway to attacking Australia, and it
Speaker:would've been really useful for us.
Speaker:So only if they were attacking the Pilborough.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So, well, you know, I've gotta get to the PIL and then Australia, haven't I?
Speaker:And then the rest of Australia.
Speaker:Mm-hmm . Let me just sort out my notes here cuz I've gotta just
Speaker:fix something on this screen.
Speaker:Let me just bring up cuz I'm gonna assume dear listener, that maybe
Speaker:you're not familiar with Timor is Timor on a map and the Timor gap.
Speaker:So let's put that one up there.
Speaker:So, what a sad and sorry tale this one is.
Speaker:Joe spent a lot of time criticizing the US and other countries for their
Speaker:meddling in the Middle East and meddling in Venezuela and all the rest of it.
Speaker:Like oil does bad things to the ethics of powerful countries and Australia
Speaker:is no exception when it comes to the way we've treated East Timor.
Speaker:So I'm gonna try and give a little synopsis of what happened,
Speaker:but basically in terms of.
Speaker:No little timeline here.
Speaker:16 hundreds Portuguese invaded.
Speaker:Actually, I'm gonna just move something across the screen
Speaker:to make it easier for me.
Speaker:Hang on one second.
Speaker:Otherwise I'm just gonna get off this mic.
Speaker:Yeah, with me.
Speaker:It's coming across.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:16 hundreds.
Speaker:Portuguese Invades Timor sets up a trading post 1749 Timor split following a battle
Speaker:between the Portuguese and the Dutch.
Speaker:So the Portuguese take the eastern half and the Dutch take the western part,
Speaker:which ends up being Indonesia 1942 Japan invades and up to 60,000 East team are
Speaker:killed and Japan's in control until 1945.
Speaker:So what you had there, because East Timor was.
Speaker:Colonized by the Portuguese, you had 400 years of Christian colonial
Speaker:administration and intermarriage between locals and Europeans.
Speaker:So they were a much more white man, European friendly type of
Speaker:people than the rest of Asia.
Speaker:So Australian troops got a lot more help and support in East Timor during
Speaker:the Second World War than we got in any other area in Southeast Asia.
Speaker:And it was kind of as a result of that cultural background of the
Speaker:Portuguese Christian settlement of, or colonizing of East Timor.
Speaker:So, so post World War ii, you've got a lot of decolonization happening.
Speaker:So the British, the French, the Spanish and the Dutch will
Speaker:lose a lot of territory, but.
Speaker:The Portuguese colonies, like East Timor remained in a kind of a time warp
Speaker:because Portuguese Portugal entered the Atlantic Pack in 1949 and had a
Speaker:strategic role within nato, basically because Portugal had these islands in
Speaker:the Atlantic that were oh, couple of hours flight off the coast of Portugal.
Speaker:So Azos the Azos ever been to the Azos Joan?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Are they a bit of a hotbed for cryptocurrency now?
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:But anyway, not that I've heard of, but maybe if you are an American military guy
Speaker:and you're wanting to fly your aircraft across the Atlantic with the hope of
Speaker:bombing something in Europe mm-hmm.
Speaker:Great place to stop, refuel, catch a breath, and then head off again.
Speaker:So, Because the Portuguese had that, those islands, which was very handy.
Speaker:They kind of held onto their territories longer than the others
Speaker:did because nobody wanted to piss off the Portuguese cuz they were so
Speaker:strategically vital cuz of the azos.
Speaker:So anyway, eventually pressure mounts.
Speaker:In 1961, the UN General Assembly declared Portugal's colonies, including Timor
Speaker:to be non self-governing territories.
Speaker:And unfortunately, in Australia cabinet documents revealed that the
Speaker:Australian government considered Timor could not exist as a viable economic
Speaker:state, and it would undoubtedly fall to Indonesia who would have to control it.
Speaker:But this failed to take into account that actually Timor had lots of enormous
Speaker:mineral and petroleum resources available.
Speaker:And just like those little tiny countries in the Middle East that
Speaker:could have been East Timor, but Australia didn't wanna see it.
Speaker:And even Goff Whitlam, I mean it's 50 years Joe since Goff Whitlam
Speaker:took office in 1975 or what are we celebrating there with Joe?
Speaker:1972 would've been that Goff Whitlam was elected.
Speaker:And so 50 years.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So there's been a lot of celebration of the the Whitlam government and um Right.
Speaker:So for a lot of achievements, but Goff really was quite happy to allow the
Speaker:Indonesians to take over East Timor.
Speaker:So, so anyway now Australia.
Speaker:Suspects and learns and, and figures out that there's an enormous amount of
Speaker:petroleum valuable stuff under the sea bed between East Timor and Australia.
Speaker:And a problem though, if you were to draw a, a line halfway between
Speaker:East Timor and Australia, a median line, then all that lovely petroleum
Speaker:resources are unfortunately on the East Timorese side of that line and
Speaker:none of it on the Australian side.
Speaker:So that's unfortunate because at first blush, you would think that
Speaker:East Timorese should therefore own it.
Speaker:And indeed, article six of a 1958 gen near the convention says where the
Speaker:same continental shelf is adjacent to the territories of two or more states
Speaker:whose coasts are opposite each other.
Speaker:The boundary of the continental Shelf, A at such stage shall be
Speaker:determined by agreement between them in the absence of agreement.
Speaker:And unless other boundary line is justified by special circumstances,
Speaker:the boundary is the median line.
Speaker:So in between that median line and close to the coast of East Timor is a
Speaker:feature called the Timor Trough, which was a an area of very, very deep water.
Speaker:And Australia said, well, we say that the Continental Shelf finishes at the Timor
Speaker:Trough, and therefore the boundary should be there, not the median middle line.
Speaker:And therefore, all of this wonderful petroleum, these
Speaker:petroleum resources belong to us.
Speaker:And so, That's how Australian legislation was drafted, when it was granting licenses
Speaker:to oil companies to go and explore and see what was there claiming that we had
Speaker:ownership of the continental shelf that went all the way to the Timor trough.
Speaker:Anyway.
Speaker:Anyway, Australia, 1973 signed some treaties with the Indonesians
Speaker:establishing some seabed boundaries.
Speaker:Of course, the Indonesians weren't aware of exactly how much was there.
Speaker:Now a lot of this is in Bernard Collars book, which is called
Speaker:Oil Under Troubled Water.
Speaker:So he goes into great detail about it.
Speaker:I'm just gonna give him a sort of an overview here.
Speaker:So some initial treaty signed with Indonesia, which was allowing Australia.
Speaker:Access to explore and rights to be some sharing of rights with Indonesia
Speaker:in this area that's on essentially the East Timor side of that median line.
Speaker:And anyway 1975, back in Portugal, there's a anti-fascist revolt and we all know
Speaker:what a fascist is now because we had that American guy explaining to us what it
Speaker:was when he looked it up on Wikipedia.
Speaker:Anyway, so the Portuguese become more left wing and they decide to
Speaker:withdraw from territories like Timor.
Speaker:Locally in Timor, there's a group called Fralin which was a they
Speaker:declared immediately that they were East Timor was independent, and almost
Speaker:immediately Indonesia invaded and.
Speaker:Claiming that this Frelin group was a bunch of communists.
Speaker:And so as part of their fight against communism, they had to take over.
Speaker:East Timor, killed lots of people.
Speaker:And eventually let me see.
Speaker:So that was 1975.
Speaker:Eventually 1999, Shar resigns, Indonesia and Portugal agree to allow East Timorese
Speaker:to vote on their future independence.
Speaker:78%.
Speaker:It's past referendum, more violence because the Indonesian military had all
Speaker:these great schemes and money making enterprises happening in East Timor,
Speaker:which they didn't want to give up.
Speaker:Fortunately, Australia came in and convinced them.
Speaker:Guys, the show's over, you really need to move on.
Speaker:So, peacekeeping force from Australia, restored order.
Speaker:Lots of people still killed along the way.
Speaker:Problem is really brand new government.
Speaker:Leaders had been in jail and pressured by Australia to accept deals that the
Speaker:Indonesians had cut with Australia, which were bad deals, and a young
Speaker:country, no money at all, and threatened that, well if, if you don't sign
Speaker:these deals, the oil companies are just gonna pull out and, you know, do
Speaker:you want some money next week or not?
Speaker:And really shameful sort of bullying practices in many ways by Australia
Speaker:in that process and over the following years as, as deals were made.
Speaker:And the sort of.
Speaker:Young leaders or the inexperienced leaders of East Timor were bullied,
Speaker:pressured at one point, agreed that to sort of placate the oil interests
Speaker:that they wouldn't do anything that would make the situation worse.
Speaker:And a lot of skullduggery by Australia in the sense of holding back
Speaker:information about just how valuable the mineral the petroleum resources
Speaker:were and really tough deals cut.
Speaker:And of course, in amongst all this we even bugged the team Marie's
Speaker:cabinet room so that we could listen in on their discussions so that
Speaker:we would nego know their, their bottom line negotiating position.
Speaker:And Bernard Coy had been the lawyer for the East Timorese.
Speaker:Trying to help them in these battles, basically saying these team are,
Speaker:shouldn't be bound by deals that Indonesia did with Australia, and
Speaker:should be able to cut fresh deals.
Speaker:It shouldn't have to be considered that it's adopted them.
Speaker:And he was involved in, in taking Australia to the sort of different courts.
Speaker:I'll get onto that in a minute.
Speaker:Strangely, the guy who was involved in bugging the team's cabinet room sought
Speaker:and got permission to get legal advice and the government said, yes, you can
Speaker:go and get advice from Bernard Callery who was acting for the East Timorese
Speaker:in the full knowledge of Australia.
Speaker:It just seemed they should have said to him, you can get legal
Speaker:advice, but not from that guy.
Speaker:He's, he's involved in suing us on behalf of the ese.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:. But the last person that they should have let him witness Kay talk to was be coy.
Speaker:But anyway, they did.
Speaker:Anyway.
Speaker:There's a article from the John Men blog.
Speaker:All of this is in the show notes.
Speaker:A guy called Ian Ciff, a very highly experienced, well
Speaker:credentialed fellow talking about this whole deal of Bernard Col.
Speaker:And basically saying that col acted for the Timor Lester against
Speaker:Australian government over the bugging and other dirty tricks.
Speaker:Collary was instrumental in taking that dispute, which is extremely
Speaker:embarrassing to Australia.
Speaker:He was gonna take to the permanent court of arbitration in the Hague.
Speaker:Colari favored that permanent court of arbitration because it would avoid
Speaker:Australia being publicly humiliated.
Speaker:So that was a good thing from Australia's point of view.
Speaker:Australia, however, sabotaged that arbitration because as soon as Col
Speaker:left Australia for the Hague, they raided his home, seizing his documents
Speaker:and case files relating to the case that he was going there for, as well
Speaker:as stuff to do with witness K and in amongst so the book by Bernard Callery
Speaker:that he's written oil under troubled water, doesn't have everything that
Speaker:he'd like to say about what's happened.
Speaker:But what he does point out is that Joe, in these deals with the oil companies, the
Speaker:way it was framed by our trade officials was there's a huge reservoir of helium.
Speaker:As well as petroleum Joe, I'll give you one Guess how much, what
Speaker:percentage of the helium benefits that is Timorese in the wash up?
Speaker:Take a guess.
Speaker:Take a wild guess.
Speaker:I reckon
Speaker:all of it.
Speaker:Cuz there isn't any And we get the oil
Speaker:instead.
Speaker:No, no.
Speaker:There's heaps of helium.
Speaker:Like lots of it.
Speaker:So how much do you reckon the each Tim share of that is Oh, benefit worth money.
Speaker:So zero.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:How much do you reckon Australia's getting?
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:if they're getting zero, we'd get a hundred
Speaker:percent.
Speaker:No, you would think so.
Speaker:But an obscure definition was used in relation to the definition of petroleum
Speaker:and resources, such as to exclude helium.
Speaker:So, No country gets the royalties from the helium.
Speaker:Oh, that's pure profit for the oil company.
Speaker:Pure profit for the oil companies involved to, and the helium is such that it's
Speaker:potentially worth more than all of the other petroleum products in these fields.
Speaker:There's that much of it and it's an increasingly valuable resource.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And neither East Timor Noah Australia gets a single dollar from the
Speaker:helium, it's absolutely criminal.
Speaker:And Alexander Downer's fingers and Josh Frydenberg's fingers are all over it.
Speaker:And that's where we circle back to Joe.
Speaker:If this relational anti-corruption commission can look at things
Speaker:retrospectively, first place, one of the places they really need to do.
Speaker:They need to do well, Bey's case has been canceled by Mark Draper
Speaker:so they're no longer pursuing him.
Speaker:Somebody needs to sit down with Bernard Coling and say, okay tell us everything
Speaker:you know, cuz there's a lot more that he knows and it just you know, not
Speaker:only did the East Tim suffer and get a terrible deal on the normal petroleum
Speaker:products, but both Australia and East Timor get nothing from helium.
Speaker:Have I depressed you enough?
Speaker:Obviously not.
Speaker:Tom.
Speaker:Don, Don in the chat room says helium is no laugh.
Speaker:Helium is no laughing matter.
Speaker:And you are saying Joe.
Speaker:That's right.
Speaker:That would be nitrous oxide.
Speaker:Is that what laughing and gas is nitrous oxide?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Very good.
Speaker:It's quite a tail, that one.
Speaker:So Australia Certainly back in history, people likes Garfield Barwick, who had
Speaker:close ties with the minerals industry.
Speaker:Comes out of this bad dock effort comes out good Goff Whitlam comes
Speaker:out as uncaring and frydenberg and in particularly who was the other one?
Speaker:I just mentioned his name.
Speaker:I forget.
Speaker:God, what's his name again??
Speaker:Downer.
Speaker:Thank you James Alexander Downer.
Speaker:Really this all needs to be examined.
Speaker:Was it incompetence, was it something else?
Speaker:And plenty of work for somebody there.
Speaker:It's all complicated and you just to feel really.
Speaker:Really bad for our bullying of for East, who were basically one
Speaker:of the most friendly neighbors.
Speaker:Helped us out in the war time and, and really deserved a lot better from us.
Speaker:So I, I, there's a story.
Speaker:I knew someone who
Speaker:was a PNG hand.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:fairly sure.
Speaker:He was talking about oil reserves of png and he said that there was
Speaker:so much money gonna come out of it that even with all the corruption
Speaker:enough would be left over to change the infrastructure of the country.
Speaker:And it was a, yeah.
Speaker:That was the level of money that was going to be gloating around.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And you just wonder how much a country like East Timor would be changed
Speaker:if they were seeing the royalties
Speaker:from this?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:So it's a real shame, a real black mark on this country.
Speaker:And anyway, oil under troubled water.
Speaker:It's a bit of a difficult read.
Speaker:It's quite complicated.
Speaker:Even as I was trying in preparation for this podcast to check things and get it
Speaker:straight in my head, it's not an easy read, but anyway, it's worth looking at.
Speaker:So, so anyway, Joe 9 0 2.
Speaker:If Shay was here, we would've kept her outta the shark tank.
Speaker:I think we can close off and we'll be back again next week.
Speaker:Dear listener.
Speaker:Just cuz she's not here doesn't mean she's
Speaker:not at
Speaker:risk.
Speaker:Well, well, that's true.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We'll have to find out from London whether the, the threat is still
Speaker:extinct.
Speaker:Yeah, true.
Speaker:I might find out with Scott if he can get his internet up and
Speaker:running and can join us a few times.
Speaker:So we'll see what happens.
Speaker:All right, well, we'll be back.
Speaker:Same bad time next week.
Speaker:Bye for now.
Speaker:And
