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Episode 325 - Minor Distractions and Major Ideas

Topics include:

  • Language warning
  • Distractions
  • The Grace Tame Saga
  • Citipointe Christian College
  • The new “Warringah rules”
  • Essential Report
  • Polls
  • Forklifts and Caleb Bond
  • Ron Williams
  • Clive Palmer running for the Senate in Qld
  • From Paul
  • Aboriginal Flag
  • Private School Cricketers
  • Private School Naplan Results
  • The UK and Australia have the same leadership problems
  • Flight Attendants
  • Property Prices
  • Venezuela
  • People Aren’t Dying
  • No Jab – No Heart Transplant
  • No Jab – No Surfing
  • Ukraine
  • Common Ground
  • Cavan Hogue in the John Menadue Blog on Ukraine
  • Cameron Leckie in JM Blog on Ukraine
  • Caitlin Johnstone
  • Gregory Clark in the John Menadue Blog on Ukraine
  • Bryce Green in Fair.org on Ukraine
  • Dee Knight in Covert Action Magazine - More on Ukraine
  • Matt Taibbi on Ukraine

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Suburban Eastern Australia, an environment that has over time

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evolved some extraordinarily unique groups of homicides.

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Despite the reputation of their Homeland, some are remarkably thin skin.

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Some seem to have multiple lifespans.

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A few were once thought to be extinct in the region.

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Others have been observed being sacrificed by the earth, but today we observe a small

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tribe akin to a group of miracles that gathered together a top, a small amount

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to watch question and discuss the current events of their city, their country, and

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their world at large let's listen keenly and observe this group fondly known

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as the iron fist and the velvet glove.

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Well, hello, there deal listener.

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This is the iron fist and the velvet glove podcast.

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This is my second attempt at the intro.

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Um, we went through it before and then Joe pointed out that we

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hadn't pressed the go live button.

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So we're doing it again.

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I'd call some Trevor AKA the iron fist with me as always is Shay the subversive.

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How are you shy?

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Very well.

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Thanks.

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Hello everybody.

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And Joe, the tech guy evening, he's holding us together with the tech.

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If you're in the chat room, if you're joining us, uh, say hello, we'll

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try and incorporate your comments.

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As we go through the news, the politics, the sex and religion

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that's happened in the last two weeks since we last met with you.

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And, um, I'll look language warning early on.

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I think I won't be able to help myself at some point during this one, I'm going

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to have a little bit of a monologue, which I haven't warned you guys about.

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And, uh, it could well be that I launch into some naughty words,

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suffocating the kids nearby.

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Um, Maybe you should vet this episode beforehand.

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So we're going to talk about a few different topics.

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We've got the greatest time saga.

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We've got various religious nutters from the center point school to their

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own prime minister doing their normal religious nuttery, um, private schools.

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Are they good or bad in terms of performance?

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A couple of COVID things, Aboriginal flag flight attendants pay property

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prices, of course, Venezuela.

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Uh, and of course, Ukraine, Ukraine will be at the end.

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So Ukraine, one's an interesting one because obviously I sort of thought

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that's a good one to talk about.

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And it took a lot of digging and a lot of effort to find the alternative viewpoint

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on what's happening in the Ukraine.

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So, um, so hang around for that one.

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That'll be at the end and, um, uh, hello to Jack Hage, Bronwyn

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Craig B um, everyone else on the.

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Ah, everyone else in the chat room, which isn't aspiring for some reason, and Joe

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is going to work out why, I don't know why that's not the spying job, but,

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um, um, anyway, Joel, work out on that.

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And Tom, the warehouse got look, all those things, grace time, religious nutters,

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private schools, property price, it's all a little bit of a distraction to me.

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These are all sort of minor issues in the scheme of things.

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To some extent from the really big things that we just never

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talk about often enough.

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So I wanted to go on a little bit of a monologue.

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So bear with me on this one, um, that we need to, to look at the

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big picture occasionally and ask ourselves, are there systemic problems

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in what is being done about it?

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Uh, in relation to Australia until now, good luck has

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papered over a host of problems.

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Being a small population on a large landmass full of natural resources.

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We in Australia have evolved into a complacent society of dullards.

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We have allowed miners to buy our resources on the cheap

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boomers to steal from the younger generations and multinationals

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to raid our economy like bandits.

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We've allowed Murdoch to poison our traditional information sources.

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And with it out of Moxie, we could have chosen Scandinavian style socialism

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that we have mainly adopted American near liberal culture delivered by

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an incompetent Christian Taliban.

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His first priority is to enrich themselves in mites.

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And then secondly, to impose a bronze age morality on the rest of us.

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I mean, these are the big things that are happening to us.

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We've got an economy based on holes and houses, but the stuff

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in the halls will run out.

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And in the main time, much of it is poisoning out.

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Are self-inflicted housing bubble is crippling our economy.

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Those of us with property, selfishly Canada winnings and congratulated

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ourselves on your hard work and smart investment strategy without pausing

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the question, whether a property boom, might be bad for our society.

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See what happens is our labor is going to be uncompetitive in world markets because

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our labor needs higher wages to pay for the basic shelter that the labor needs.

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So we're just going to be uncompetitive with the rest of the world, simply

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because of shelter costs popping.

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This property bubble is going to cause the enormous pine and sustaining the

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bubble will keys cause even more pain.

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We've got a fallen and alternative to digging holes.

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And the question is can services and tourism fill the void probably.

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For replacing that resource income and for regaining some sort of security,

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I think we need to develop a capacity to make things top end expensive,

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complicated things for sure, but probably also regular everyday things.

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We need an economy that would survive a war or a major breakdown in world trade.

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And we've seen that with the pandemic where at one point it looked like

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we needed a lot of respirators.

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Did we actually have the capacity to make a respirator Australia needs

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to grow up and become a responsible adult that prepares for disasters?

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We are the spoiled brats of the world.

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, immature selfish, shortsighted, narrow minded, uneducated teenage layouts.

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Who've been isolated from harsh realities, but they're coming our line.

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We owe it to future generations to stop wasting our adults.

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And like an inexperienced adolescent.

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We have fallen in love with the brag.

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God's sports jock.

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He seems a beloved by everybody, but he is actually an abusive bully that many Awario

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of our friends look on with bemusement.

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As we insist on being the first to suck the cock of the USA, our friends, neither

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is not a point in talking us out of it.

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We must learn the hard way we need to educate ourselves about

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where we are and how we got here.

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We need to decide what we realistically want to be in a

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hundred years in doing that.

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We need to understand human nature, human societies, and how power works.

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We have to look around at what others are doing, but also consider

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what might be ideally possible that no one else has tried.

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Once we understand how the world works and how it could work differently

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only then can we set worthwhile goals and planes to fulfill those goals?

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So can we be the first society that learns from other people's

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mistakes without having to make the same mistakes ourselves?

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I don't know, but for the sake of our descendants, we must try, they go.

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There's a little rain just to put some seriousness.

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And these are the big picture things that just never get talked about at all.

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And, um, uh, comments, or should we just now heading to the distractions

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before we get into the bigger ideas?

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Okay.

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I just wanted to say here, here.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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So let's run through a few distractions.

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Um, and yet part of it is these things are easy to have an opinion of

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without thinking too hard, grace time, was she rude to the prime minister?

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Is it rude in that situation to pull a nasty face at the prime minister?

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And we can all have an opinion and we don't really need to have researched

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or thought about it too hard.

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We didn't need to activate our system.

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Two thinking as Carmen would talk, refer to just blurt out an opinion and a moon.

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So we've blurted, endlessly really about it.

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Um, it's not to say we're not going to play to that under the boy now.

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So Shay you kick off.

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I mean, not to belittle the whole situation as I probably have with that

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whole intro, but, but let's go through it.

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What what'd you think of the whole grades team saga?

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Yeah, I think, um, I think you make a fair point about the noise.

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Like you just get bombarded by this story, don't you until even though

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your, for everything that grace time is standing for, you just

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don't want to look at it anymore.

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Yeah.

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I remember having a similar experience when, um, Scott Morrison went on hold.

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Yeah to Hawaii after her walls last.

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So needlessly noisy.

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And we're not talking about, you know, the resources and the practicalities

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and climate change and yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, but that aside, I thought of a few things.

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So the first thing was is that I, I, I made, made it like silent commitment

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after I was watching grace tame, you know, um, I watched her thing on the

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Australian story after I saw this.

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Cause I hadn't seen it yet.

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And um, in it, she says, if I don't speak truth to power, every

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opportunity I get, then I'm a hypocrite.

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So that's exactly what she was doing.

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I went back over some of the videos and it seems to me that he kind of

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like back into her over, he did.

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Yeah.

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So, but this is where I live.

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I live by the photo op by the federal.

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So, yeah, so she upheld her personal integrity, which is that

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she was speaking truth to power.

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She wasn't going to stand there and smile for him.

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Um, and, and certainly as I was watching her, I was thinking

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about all the times I'd smile.

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When I'd been told to smile all the times I'd had like worried

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interactions with blokes.

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I even recalled in 2019, I'd been at a charity fundraiser

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for the Bush fire victims.

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And, um, I taught was talking to Senator Jordan.

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Who's the green Senator in the wheelchair.

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And Kim Baisley, the governor of Australia, Western Australia was

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there and he just like walked up and then just stood right in front of me.

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And started talking to Kim basically just started talking to Senator Jordan.

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It's like, oh good.

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I, you know, Senator Jordan and stuff as though I was not there.

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And Senator Jordan came over to me later and just apologized on his

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behalf and said, you know, that's sort of, yeah, culturally what happens

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in political circles and I'm sorry.

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And for me, I was like, I'm never going to let that happen again.

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If a bloke stands in front of me in a group, I am going to tap them

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on the shoulder and it's actually happened to me twice since.

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And I still did the same thing.

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I just new group to go and talk to.

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It's hard to in the moment socially, because we aren't social considerations,

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you know, and you don't want to be made a fool of, and maybe you're overreacting

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and like so much goes on in your brain.

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So you just kind of slide off, you know, You've been indoctrinated to be

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civil and, and, and you wouldn't want to make us sort of an outburst in case you

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had somehow misinterpreted something.

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So it is difficult for yeah.

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And you know, people with powerful positions.

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So I was, I was really proud of her.

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Yeah.

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And one of the other things I've, uh, I made a promise to myself that from

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now on, I think I'm just going to leave the criticizing of women to men.

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So that was like my little personal solution going forward for all for this.

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Yeah.

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Certainly.

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That's been loud.

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All of the criticism about it, and this could be a issue we

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could all collectively gain from.

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I think we could stop child sexual abuse.

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That's a win for everybody.

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Isn't it?

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Yeah.

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I mean, he would have thought though, I'll Beckon her over.

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She'll have to stand beside me.

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She'll have to smell.

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And there'll be a photo where it looks like grace and I have

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patched up and all is good.

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Like he would have thought that it might not have rolled it all through his

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head at that moment, but he would have been thinking here's an opportunity.

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And, uh, yeah, it didn't pan out that way.

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So I'm of course, very hypocritical, um, uh, the whole thing, because there's

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other circumstances, you know, of course you read in the Murdoch papers,

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uh, different, uh, columnists and opinion writers saying how rude it was.

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And meanwhile, Scott Morrison has just been equally as rude to other people.

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There's been photos of him refusing to shake the hand of, of, um, bill

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shorten other times in parliament where he's had his back turn to, uh, Tanya

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Plibersek, a whole host of times when he's just been rude, arrogant pig.

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You mean like when he preys on people, right?

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Yeah, exactly.

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So, um, Uh, say it, you know, hypocritical of course, and, uh, good on grace time.

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Um, we'll see what happens.

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Interesting.

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Um, one other comment I saw this was from my Carlton.

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Um, he saw an ABC news headline, which was, uh, wonder if I put this up?

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No, I didn't have it on the thing.

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Um, so ABC news, grace time criticized for political and childish interaction

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with prime minister, ABC news.

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Um, so that's just repeating one, one side of the viewpoint and they

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could equally have written Gray's time applauded for honest refusal to play

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nice with prime minister, but the ABC chose to, to repeat the news court line.

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If you like, um, I increasingly find the ABC quite disappointing

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in how it's approaching things.

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Like, you know, they're always against the government, aren't they?

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Um, particularly in relation to China, I often see them just accepting the,

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the, uh, um, the anti China rhetoric and probably in relation to Ukraine.

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If I see enough about it now, and I'll see the same thing, um, yeah, ABC,

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um, could be better, but, um, yeah.

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Um, in the chat room everyone's going off already.

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And, um, uh, Roman says I spend time arguing with my sister

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via text about grace time.

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She thought that Ms.

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Tom was rude and hadn't done her cause any good.

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Um, ramen said she was entitled to behave that way.

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Given the government had ignored her, which they did like they, they

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created some sort of inquiry or.

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About the very topic that grace time is famous for and didn't

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invite her input into it at all.

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She found out about it from reporters.

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Um, yeah.

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So, um, it'll be interesting to see how Dylan the wheelchair athlete goes equals.

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He will see things happening with national disability scheme

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that he won't be impressed with.

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And then the lead's been challenged by grace.

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That's right.

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She, I think she's furthered the cause, frankly.

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Yeah, I think, um, he strikes me as the sort of character.

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He probably might say something, so I don't think the coast is

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clear for the, or the government.

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Um, thanks to Dylan.

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Yeah.

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But, um, I read an interesting tweet that I took a photo of just in terms

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of comparisons about women's conduct.

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So.

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Where is a Darren Chester.

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National's MP.

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So humble, so respectful and so determined that's leadership.

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And she doesn't even know it.

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Good luck in the final Ash body, but you're already a winner.

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Yes.

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When you finished playing tennis, let's get you into federal parliament.

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You're in parliament.

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Darren, maybe you could demonstrate some humbleness.

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What else is there?

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Yeah.

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Respect and determination.

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I think expertise.

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I think is great, but the last thing that entered my mind was that

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she should have become a politician.

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No.

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Would it even be attractive to her?

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I'd say maybe we should get, um, what's her name?

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The.

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Grand slam weapon.

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Um, Rafa.

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No, no, no.

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Uh, from the sixties got caught.

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Yeah.

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But we'll get her, get her into parliament.

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Yeah.

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Well, we've already got John Alexander.

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So John Alexander was a champion tennis player.

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Didn't make him a champion politician.

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He's actually, he's actually really angry.

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Cause he, he was on a committee that was looking at very fast trains and basically

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thought, well, this is a good idea.

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And has discovered he's got absolutely nowhere with his party in relation

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to the one policy that he ended up thinking it was a good one.

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And that's the reason why he wants to leave.

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And he's sort of, um, suddenly woken up that maybe the party's

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part of isn't so crash hot.

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So, uh, um, up please, celebrity, um, politicians it's bad

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enough to do without that.

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Yeah.

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Um, actually a red Z, um, makes a point in the chat room.

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Um, Uh, has there been any thought of this back race time that she was genuinely

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traumatized being near him a good point?

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Like possibly yeah, genuinely, uh, it's quite possible.

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Most of us might be.

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Hmm.

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That's right.

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I mean, it'd be hard not to show your feelings with a guy like that.

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All right.

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Um, let me see.

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So that was a great time city point.

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Christian college is a college in Queensland.

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That's come out in the news in the last week or so, because they've asked

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errands to sign a contract prior to the start of the new school year.

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And, uh, in it, it's got this acknowledgement of what the beliefs

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are of point Christian college.

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And they say there, we believe that any form of sexual immorality,

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including, but not limited to.

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Adultery fornication, homosexual acts, bisexual acts.

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Beastiality incest, pedophilia, and pornography is equivalent is sinful

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and offensive to God and is destructive to human relationships and society.

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So they're just lumped in adultery, fornication, homosexual acts,

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bisexual X with beastiality incest, pedophilia, and pornography.

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Yep.

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Um, yeah.

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So they've put that in as part of a contract with parents and there's been

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an uproar about it and people saying, oh, they've also said that they're

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only going to recognized the gender of students based on their birth certificate.

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Uh, that's the only agenda they're going to recognize.

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And, and people that are just shocked.

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What do they think is happening out there already all the time?

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Like we've got a government that is passing a law or trying to

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pass a law that basically says if your school has an ethos.

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Then it can just do whatever the hell it likes in terms of enrolling and

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hiring and firing provided it is doing so, um, in furtherance of its ethos.

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So these guys have simply laid it out so that when the law is passed, they'll be

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able to say, we told you what our ethos is, and now all you guy kids piss off.

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Like, it's just, what did they think was going to happen is happening.

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They're not going to kick out the gay kids.

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They're just going to believe them.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Even a half a chance.

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They'll kick him out.

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So, and you know, what are they doing there anyway?

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You've got, ah, I guess parent parents shouldn't, uh, parents might not

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know their kid's game, but, um, yeah.

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And, and you also, uh, parents may have a borrowed attitudes to their kids

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being gay, just because the parents are religious doesn't mean that the kids need.

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In their life.

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Yes.

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So, um, so anyway, that's city point, that's created an uproar

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in Queensland and, um, the shovel had a wonderful article.

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Yes.

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Um, they said, um, parents have responded to a request from city point Christian

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college about sewing this enrollment contract by asking the school to first

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guarantee that their children won't be sexually assaulted by the school staff.

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Uh, the school is yet to respond, but some experts say the demands are impractical.

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I'm afraid this so-called contract from parents is unworkable.

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One religious commentator said.

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Uh, it goes on anyway, that's the classic paragraph is when I saw my kids up to go

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to school, I expect to get information about what they'll be learning in

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maths or what supports are available.

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But instead I got a four page contract about adultery, fornication,

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homosexual, bisexual, X, bestiality, incest, pedophilia, and pornography.

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What the fuck are these people doing at their staff meetings?

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I think that sums it up, right?

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Yeah.

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That is true.

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They are obsessed with the bedroom, these people, um, there was also,

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I think the ABC noted, no, sorry.

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There's a petition going around that said they got $14 million

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in federal funding last year.

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Yeah, of course they did.

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Yeah, of course.

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Yep.

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Think this and this is nonsense has been going on for years.

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Alright.

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Um, so isn't it perfect that happens now because it's actually some it's brilliant

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timing because people, people will say effective and now, and good on a group

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who stood outside and, uh, it's sort of a guy support group and, um, stood outside

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the school and sort of as a support group.

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So in a protest saying good on them.

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Um, all right.

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Uh, this is all just going to continue this sort of nonsense though, isn't it?

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Because we've mentioned a thousand times on this podcast, the listener

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about the takeover of the liberal party by evangelical Christian churches

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who are just rabidly motivated, it will not stop until I've taken over.

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They've seen the example in America and I just following the same

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playbook and we've seen it in Western Australia, Queensland, south Australia.

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Uh, lightest, um, hotspot is in new south Wales and essentially, um, last week,

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a prominent member of liberals, right?

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Faction Tim James sneered, the safe new south Wales seat of Willoughby replacing

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the former liberal premier Gladys Berejiklian, who was a leading moderate.

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Um, no one sword coming the lower north shore is a moderate stronghold within

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the party and the popular, uh, former Willoughby council mayor Gail Giles'

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kidney, a moderate with a high local profile was seen as the front runner.

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Charles Gidney had the endorsement of Berejiklian and a power broker Zimmerman.

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And, but at the end of a three hour pre-selection meeting

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attended by more than a hundred members of the local branch.

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The moderates were lifts, shellshocked.

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The new were ringer rules for choosing a candidate had

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delivered an unexpected result.

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And, um, got in this guy, who's a, um, a hard line, right.

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Winger and, um, just guy's on, let me find it here.

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Um, new rules for pre-selecting candidates have provided an avenue

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for increased influence, and there are signs that the right operatives are

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active, quote, the right, or taking the car out for a spin to see what's

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possible said one factional player.

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So, um, so Tony Abbott's original rules for establishing branch member plebiscites

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to choose candidates were substantially modified before being adopted.

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Um, they were worried about branch stacking by Christians.

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I think safeguards against branch stacking, such as being a member

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for two years and monthly limits on new members, signing signups were

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included and a quarter of the vote was allocated to the state exam.

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Um, but you know, what's happened to you according to this article, is that the

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moderates have underestimated the right.

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So now what they've done is they're putting a real, saying we've

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got to be member for two years.

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Well, these Hartline Christian evangelicals go fine for sign up.

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It will vote in two years time and they say there's monthly limits on new members.

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That's fine.

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We'll just rebel out parishioners in monthly.

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According to the rules, these guys play the long game.

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This is what religion is all about.

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It is a long game and they've simply made it now harder for other groups to work

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because nobody plays a longer, harder game than these nutbag Christian groups.

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They've taken their time.

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They've filled up the branch within members and they've

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got their pre-selection.

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They'll just continue to do it around the place.

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I don't know what they were thinking.

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If they thought this would stop them because to me, um, the harder you make

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it, they would go, well, the better it is because we like hurdles because we'll,

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we've got people who'll jump any hurdle.

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And you guys don't you moderate.

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That was the argument from, um, uh, um, my mates.

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Same when you make the planning application process harder to stop

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corruption, all you do is make it easier for the people who are, have the deep

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pockets and have their mates already in the seats of power and you'd make it

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harder and harder for the new entrance.

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So effectively you create a very closed system.

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Yep.

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You need a real organization to, to get through it.

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And, um, yeah.

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So the sort of, um, Oh, I don't know.

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Um, a popular candidate is sort of burst onto the scene.

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Just won't be able to get the numbers because, uh, the

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system will grind them down.

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They'll need to have been doing it for years.

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So Rick's perfectly into the hands of, of these guys and that's what's

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happening in new south Wales.

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What should happen around the rest of the country?

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Um, okay.

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Not alienate the electorate, which is mostly yes, yes.

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You would think so eventually because they'll just get crazier

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and crazier, candida, only if they're being obvious about it, if

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they're being sly about it then.

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No.

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Um, yeah, so th this is part of the problem with our democracy is

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that, um, small, highly organized groups, uh, taking over what are

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they are two major political parties.

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Yeah, well, the other one had already been taken over by the union movement internet.

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Um, my, my drive up to Rocky, um, all the way up where Palm

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money, I did party posters.

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I must've seen Eirich and 50 on the way up to Rockhampton, just all the way up

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the sunshine coast, uh, complaining about lockdowns, which haven't been a thing for.

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God knows how long.

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Yup.

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And then freedom, freedom, freedom.

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Where the party of freedom.

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Yes, he is spending big.

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He's not going to win any seats.

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No, no.

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The question is last time they did he get enough?

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You know, he only got one or 2% of something, but also plea.

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Was that enough to arguably it was enough to help swell?

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I think so.

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I think that's his aim.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So.

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How anybody could be fooled by that guy or 1500 people must've

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been, um, to sign up as yeah.

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To, to become a party, right?

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Yeah.

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Anyway, uh, that's quite Palmer.

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Um, he's another one though.

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Who's being cagey on whether he's had the injection Maxine.

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Yes.

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And he says he's he's.

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He says he's not invasively

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as, has he lost any weight?

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No.

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Okay.

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Well then I recognize in the high-risk group, isn't he?

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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So I'm just applying up to that 80 vacs, those there or light,

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um, approvals and statistics here.

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Let's see, let's just share some screens on skin.

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Um, okay.

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First up blue line at the top, um, approval of Scott Morrison red

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line at the bottom disapproval.

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So his approval rating as gone down, but it's still around the same

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mark that it was three years ago.

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That's not that bad.

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So there's been lots of talk with polls about what's happened to him, but,

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uh, uh, next one, um, who do you think would make the better prime minister?

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The blue line at the top.

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Scott Morrison the red line at the bottom.

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Anthony Albanese.

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I see photos of Albin easy.

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And I'm who the hell is that?

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He's lost a lot of weight.

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Is that what you meant?

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No, no, no.

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It's just these nev I never see him in any media.

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I see Scott Morrison's smarmy smile all over the place.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So, um, I got my copy of the month play today.

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Oh, there he is.

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Oh, okay.

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So a whole article he claims he's done more interviews than Scott Morrison.

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Yes.

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I don't know.

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Don't know even jokes.

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He's been everywhere.

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I'll tell you one from last week.

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Sorry.

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It was yes.

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He, anyway, the article says he needs 1.4 million people to vote labor who

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didn't vote labor at the last election.

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That's it?

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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You would think you'd get that just in young people who

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have become eligible divide.

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You'd think you'd nearly get there.

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Um, some, most of them, I think, just vote how their parents tell them to.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's true.

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Uh, and final one there.

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Um, two party preferred and, uh, And you'll see that the

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two pound preferred vote.

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Now that's the one that has actually moved a lot in the last, uh, few weeks.

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So realistically, the previous graphs I showed with popularity, not much change

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to say three years ago, but this one's changed a lot, two party preferred.

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So a 7% swing.

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And if that was replicated at the election, it would be a

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very solid wind to labor party.

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And that that's the one that's changed a lot.

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Is that two party preferred, but I don't know.

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I think my gut tells me people just vote according to the leaders these days.

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So, uh, yeah, not sure on that one.

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Alright.

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Uh, cool about him anyway.

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I think that was the best, the best sell.

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I think getting someone else to sell him as.

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And you're going to eat a physical copy of the monthly.

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You asked it for Christmas because I wanted something print.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Certainly Christmas present,

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indeed.

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Yeah.

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Or I'd um, yeah, last episode, two weeks ago, I joked that I'd figured out

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the Morrison government, that it was a satirical performance, not unlike, um,

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uh, that sort of Hitler thing springtime for Hitler had what was called, um, the

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literally yes, literally the next day, Scott Morrison asked the states to allow

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our children to vote, to drive forklifts as a means of overcoming staff shortage.

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In supply chains.

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Have you guys ever driven a forklift?

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Nope.

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Nope.

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But there are a lot of injuries related to that, correct?

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You only got to hang around YouTube disaster videos for

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five minutes and you're bound to see two or three forklift ones.

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They are unbelievably dangerous in a warehouse, nudging, a pallet rack, or just

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tip and stuff like it's, it's way more dangerous, I think, than driving a car

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because of just the nature of warehouses.

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And they're just uncontrolled environments compared to taking

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out a road and the idea all it's fast track kids driving forklifts.

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That, I mean, this is what they've spent some time thinking

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about prior to a meeting with the premiers and didn't provide.

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Material in advance and just sprung and ultimate of meeting now is this

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for an idea guys, and we'll get 16 year old to drive forklifts.

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That'll help me.

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So yeah, it's a satirical performance.

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They're really the line and on too thick, but did he see, he not

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see the comments afterwards where they, how dare you lay into this?

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You know, uh, all the shortages are a fault of, I probably like, um, well,

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I'm going to, I've got a, um, there's one here by, uh, there was an article

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by, um, in the Herald sun caliber bond.

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I've got a picture of him there on the screen.

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I mean, clearly a face you can trust and he's a 12 year old with a beard.

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Isn't it?

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I was going to say he just wants to play with a forklift.

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Does it.

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You know, it's not, it's not charitable to be picking on somebody looks, but

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here's what he said was his article was the hatred of Scott Morrison has

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become so ridiculous that even sensible ideas such as teenagers getting

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forklift licenses are being shot down.

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Yeah.

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So, um, maybe they could go up into the ceilings and put some insulation in.

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Yes.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yep.

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Um, did you hear that Ron Williams is running for Senate

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and quite dude reason here.

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Did you hear, did you hear that at all?

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Shane, do you know who Ron Williams is?

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I don't know.

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I can't go to heaven.

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Sorry, YouTube.

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Like the, please go to heaven.

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He it's a song he's done.

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Oh yeah.

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He's he's issue.

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Oh, All right.

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The chats disappeared again.

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J is it the screen?

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I know I turned it off when you shake your screen.

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Okay.

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Thanks, John.

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Um, so Ron Williams, he's the guy who did the high court challenges

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to the chaplaincy scheme when he was basically saying the government

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didn't have the authority to spend money on chaplaincy and, um, had a

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couple of high court cases on that.

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And eventually they, they passed legislation in a particular

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way to get around that.

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So, um, so yeah, he, um, is a very strong advocate for secular stuff.

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And I think he's, ah, if he wasn't president of the humanists in Queensland,

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he was something similar, I think at one point and maybe still is so, um, so he's

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running in the Senate in Queensland and.

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Yeah, there's a guy who will definitely, in terms of trying to change laws

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to make Australia more secular.

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So if secularism is your priority, Ron Williams is definitely your candidate.

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Um, uh, first and foremost, that's what he'll be doing.

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And, uh, so, um, he'll be part of the reason ticket or the

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Senate team in Queensland.

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So good on your run or running that might reach out and try and get him

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to chat on this podcast at some stage.

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So, yes, um, as Queensland's to, um, secular litigators, we could have

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a lot to talk about, uh, prominent in the chat rooms says we weren't

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far wrong about caliber bond.

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He's 21.

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Yeah, sure.

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That's, I'm sure that's a paddle and dry man.

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It's the wrong way.

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Yeah.

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Uh, so anyway, um, yeah, Ron Williams in the Senate and, um, got

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Clive Robert Palmer running for the Senate and, um, and we've also got

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Amanda Stone and Campbell Newman.

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So it's a circus in Queensland Senate.

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Yeah.

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Alright.

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Can-do gamble.

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Yeah.

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Uh, last week, um, Paul is one of our, um, all labor.

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He contributes and sends stuff to me at different times and he, uh, wrote me an

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email talking about our last episode and he said, so here's my question for you.

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What's your view on how we should get property prices back under

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control and how would we actually go about stopping this property bubble

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and then maybe reversing a river?

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So here's the.

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Uh, yeah, I could easily pop the bubble, but now there's so many

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people who are committed to these big mortgages and it'd be unfair to

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overnight change a system that then just throws them into bankruptcy.

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So, um, you know, now we're stuck where essentially we need policies that will

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basically hold property at the, at its current price for the next 15 or

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20 years to try and bring things back to normal because we really can't in

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all honesty to those people, hit them with things that are going to, um, to

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reverse prices by 30 or 40%, you know, intentionally by government means.

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So, you know, back in the nineties, property was flat for 10 years,

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my wife and I had a property.

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Yeah.

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Uh, I can remember we owned it for like six or seven years and

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barely got our money back on it.

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Like it's supposed to happen that way.

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And it used to happen that way.

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So if people were to think, oh, that would be shocking to keep

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property prices stable for 15 years.

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Um, no, it wouldn't say how it's do it dead.

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Easy.

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All dead easy.

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Uh, number one, phase out negative gearing or residential

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property instantly reduces demand.

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Yup.

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Uh, another one increased land tax on investment properties.

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Like that's what happens overseas.

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People pay a lot of land tax on property, so it's a disincentive to own property.

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Um, third one tell banks they can't rely on residential home equity

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to lend on investment properties.

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You can pass a little like that.

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A fourth one delete capital gains tax concessions.

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So at the moment.

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If you make a million dollars from buying and selling a house as a capital

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gain, you only pay tax on half of that.

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Meanwhile, if you had sweated for 20 years, flipping hamburgers

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and made, um, a million dollars, you pay tax on the full amount.

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So get rid of that capital gains tax concession, and it even

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provides some public housing.

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So with all of those things, the trick would be to phase them in.

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So negative gearing on residential property, you would just over

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a 10 year period, you would say next year, you can only claim 90%.

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The following year, only 80%.

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The following year, only 70% people would see the writing on

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the wall and start exiting from, um, investment property over time.

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So that would be what would be done.

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And you'd only have to just look at overseas experiences and see what's what

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they've got over there and just copy them.

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Um, I was listening to a podcast with Alan Cola, you know, Alan Cola, ABC economist.

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Yep.

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And he was talking to another economist called Michael Hudson, whose book I am

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reading at the moment I finished reading.

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This is really good.

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Um, super imperialism, uh, the economic strategy of the American Impala.

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It's only vein, uh, 460 odd pages of heavy economics, but really good.

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Anyway, Alan Kohler was talking to him and as part of that, uh, talking

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about Australian property prices and Alan Cola looked at a house in Sydney

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that was X number of kilometers from the CBD and was worth $1.5 million.

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And then he looked for a similar house, the same number of

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kilometers from the CBD of New York.

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And the house was half the price.

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This, this is what's going on in the rest of the world.

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We don't hear these stories often enough.

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So I mean, you know, I grew up on Jersey, which, you know, uh, offshore

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finance, uh, lots of people escaping the EK tax and, um, interest paid on

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your mortgage of your primary residence.

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So the place you lived was tax deductible on investment properties.

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It was not tax deductible.

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There you go.

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Yep.

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So it was encouraging, it was encouraging people to own their own homes.

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Yup.

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Yup.

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Yup.

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That's the sort of thing that we need.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But I was shocked when I moved over to find out that not only was I not

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going to get tax relief on my mortgage, but that if I owned an investment

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property, I'd get tax relief on that.

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Right.

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It's yeah.

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Yup.

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Anyway, uh, also from Paul, um, what else did he say here?

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Um, so I was talking about bill shorten, not being able to sell, um, the, uh,

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the story of what he was wanting to do.

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They weren't selling enough.

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And, um, all's taken me to task and said, this completely ignores the Murdoch,

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media and Scotty from marketing, going all out on attacking labor on everything.

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Bill shorten wants to ruin your weekend.

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Labor will tax you to death.

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Uh, Scotty came out with these outright lies and Murdoch press.

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We're happy to repeat and amplify them in a nonstop campaign of

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fear and scare about anything.

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Labor in suggested the details get lost in the hype and the scare.

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And we've seen with so many campaigns from Brexit to this, the easy lie is much more

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attractive than the complicated truth.

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You can't blame labor for that.

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The good point, Paul, I mean, that is true.

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It is difficult.

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Battle the Murdoch press.

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I still think they could have spent a lot more time with ABC.

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They should have been saying to the ABC, we want to come onto the

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seventh day to report every night.

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And that if, if the, uh, labor, if the liberals don't want to

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come on, then too bad, let us on.

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We want to tell our story.

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I think they could have worked harder in some other areas.

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I've, I've noticed that the modern media is all about soundbite.

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And I know that Joe Rogan's received a lot of press recently, but yeah, one of

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the big reasons for his success was it was a two and a half hour interview and

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he was knocking five of those out a week.

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Yeah, it was incredible.

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And rather than a 32nd snippet, Where you get no detail.

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People do want to sit down and listen to long form interviews.

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My media just isn't willing to spend that time.

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Yes.

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And I'm sure if he'd have wanted, if he'd have sat down and done a long

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form interview with some podcast of some sort like friendly Jordy's or

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somebody like that, um, you know, it's a chance to talk about it.

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So say look, it is true to an extent, or is a valid argument.

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I still think that could have done more.

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Um, guys, like walk-in Keating sold a vision, Whitlam sold a vision.

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So anyway, but then again, Whitlam did have, the pipe is more or

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less on his side the first time.

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So, yeah.

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So that's true.

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All right.

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Um, and what else did he say here?

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Um, oh, and he's also said, um, and the thing that really shows me the

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power that Marson and Murdoch have on.

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Is just how little you report on what Albanese is actually out there doing

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is recently announced 200 million per year for disaster prevention

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and resilience in areas hit badly by cycline and climate change.

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Did you mention this big new announcement?

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Not at all.

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If you just reducing it down to a personality contest between Marson

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and Elvin easy, you're just playing into the conservative media's hands.

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I don't know, Paul, I just can't get excited about a $200 million.

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It's a disaster prevention payment.

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Like this is just every government gets money to spend on stuff.

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It's not, it's not changing a system.

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It's not a systematic change of any sort.

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Uh, what I'm waiting for is the big announcement with all right.

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We have so much invested in carbon, uh, or fossil fuel.

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This is our package.

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This is how we're going to move from fossil fuels.

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This is what we're going to do with the miners.

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This is how we're going to retrain them.

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These are the industries that we're going to introduce into the regions

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that are going to pick up the slack from when we lose these mining jobs.

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Because at the moment we are fetishizing coal and coal seam gas because

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it's producing, it's putting money into the regions and the regions.

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Yeah.

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I reckon the regions.

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What would cost labor the election last year, last time?

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Um, so all that money that was announced for the reef, it seems

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by the Morrison government now X billion, it seems as a huge proportion

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of it is actually going to farmers in order to try and prevent runoff.

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Um, so it's not actually going directly to the reef.

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So yeah.

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You could, you could win an election on his federal ICAC policy elbows

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because it's retrospective and you could make a case around, um, how

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countries that are racist rich.

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If they don't deal with their corruption, they can end up in poverty.

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That would be case to make there to be a whole range of ways.

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You could just stick with that one policy.

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So we've got to clean up the corruption works for so many other like sub

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groups, corruption, corruption, corruption, and really works.

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Um, and may I just read you the last paragraph of this thing

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about Alba in the monthly yeah.

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Monthly it's written by Nick Bryant.

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Yes.

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Um, so over the past 40 years, Australia has lived through the

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reform era under Hawk CADing and Howard, and the revenge era of rod

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Gilad, rod Gilad, rod Abbott, and.

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Uh, Morrison victory would prolong what could easily become a

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regression era of further national drift and democratic decline.

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So perhaps the best the country can hope for right now is renewal not revolution.

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It wouldn't be inspiring.

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It wouldn't be poetic.

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It might not even be clearly articulated, but maybe it's time for

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a mechanic rather than a Messiah.

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And maybe Albo, is there a payment for the job?

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That's good.

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That's good.

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Isn't it?

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Yeah.

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That's a good argument for your run.

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Yeah, because the other week.

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Yeah.

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That's yeah.

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That's, that's, that's a good argument.

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I mean, yep.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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You know, one of the problems is that the right wing, I've got all of

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these think tanks and other groups who, who can make outrageous claims.

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And shift the Overton window so that the government feels sort of, oh,

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well, we're not going as far as that, but we're just going a little bit of

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the why, you know, we're not going to that outside edge of craziness.

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And there isn't the same sort of activity on the left with think tanks

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and other groups who can shift the Overton window to the left to some point.

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So, um, yeah.

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That's and of course, how do you think tanks and things?

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Cause you need lots of money because the lift doesn't have the

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money to support the think tanks.

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So that is part of the problem.

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Um, sorry, Joe, you're gonna say something.

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Oh, it was going to say, um, I remember seeing articles from the

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Australian socialist or something.

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I I've seen some very, very left wing, but there might not voices.

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They're not amplified.

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Thank you.

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Any traction?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Um, uh, Aboriginal.

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Did you see what happen with that?

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So it was previously privately owned by the designer, which

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was causing enormous problems or replicating the Aboriginal flags.

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So in a week, the government actually did a good thing.

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I believe it's somehow acquired the rights to the Aboriginal flag and

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it's basically made it available for use, I guess, along the similar lines

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that the Australian flag is allowed.

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So that to me was well done.

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You've done something

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$20 million, probably not a bad in the scheme of things or Hey, things have been

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going it's just dollars and we just print.

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We can just print money.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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Brahman too says she's amazed.

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So.

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Must've come from the civil servants rather than the government, Shirley.

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Yeah.

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Um, look, it's probably a thing that's taken quite a while to work on it.

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And, but anyway, full marks to it wouldn't have taken more than seven years,

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presumably so, but I've done it anyway.

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So that seems to be a good thing.

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So it was quite an unusual situation before and that's been

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cleared up, so that could be done.

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Alright.

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Um, private school cricketers.

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So I thought this was interesting public school boys.

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Come on.

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Yes.

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So in the UK, they called public, which is the equivalent of our private.

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Why is that, Joe?

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Why do they call episode institution?

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Public, historically schools were either based on catchment,

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what your father's profession was or what denomination were you?

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Uh, and public schools were open to the public.

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As long as you could pay, they were.

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So they tended to be boarding school and they were non regional.

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So they were very much the, um, have like in that they'd take anyone from the

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public who could afford it basically.

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Right.

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I have a nasty restrictions of denomination and occupation and religion

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could be dealt and to be a public school, your, your headmaster or headmistress

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needs to be a member of the headmaster and headmistress is conference.

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So there's 60 something schools in the UK and there are 30

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something internationally.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So when I use the word private here, I mean, it, in the sense

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that we in Australia normally think of private schools.

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So, um, and from the guardian, we looked through all the specialists, batters that

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debuted for England in tests since 2011.

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And we found out that 95% of them had been white and 77% of them

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have come from private schools.

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And, um, So it seems that the, uh, England's teams top order of batsman

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is more elitist, uh, than what you'd find in the UK house of Lords.

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So it's more explain why they're doing so poorly because they've missed out

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on a lot of talent by just limiting themselves to such a small group.

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A sport is very cost divided is, um, yes, even in Australia, but,

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but certainly in the UK, um, public schools or private schools would

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play cricket and rugby and the state schools would play football or soccer.

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Um, so there are certain sports that you'd expect, um, to be a

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lot more private school kids.

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Yeah.

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The listener, if you're ever, you know, at a barbecue with a south African who

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will invariably love their rugby and.

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You know, possibly come to Australia in the last 10 or 15 years or whatever.

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And, uh, and just ask them where they say I get.

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Were you surprised when you came to Australia to discover how low down

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the totem pole rugby is in Australia?

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And I go, yeah, I can't believe it.

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And, um, I said, yeah, we got, you know, AFL, we've got rugby league, we've

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got soccer and then rugby union rugby.

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And, um, it's just played by a small collection of private schools.

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And, uh, it's really low down in terms of participation at the totem Poland.

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And, uh, south Africans are very surprised by, by that how low it is.

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So anyway, um, so yeah, got to go to one of those schools, if you want to be in

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the English, uh, top order, it seems.

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And also on the private schools from the Sydney morning Herald a major

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study of NAPLAN results over time found only a slight difference in

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scores between the three school sector.

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And these differences disappeared once a student's family

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background was considered.

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So the research team from the university of new England looked at the net plan

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results of 1500 students in years, 3, 5, 7, and nine, and found no difference

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in average achievement between the three school sectors in primary school, except

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that you have five students in public schools perform slightly better in

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numeracy than those in Catholic schools.

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Um, in year seven and nine students at independent schools were slightly ahead,

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but their apparent advantage disappeared after including socio economic status.

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Um, and that's an international finding cause it was in

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Freakonomics the book, right?

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And there's a bunch of other studies in this article that are referred to as well.

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The listener, if you are spending money.

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Sending your kids to a private school.

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Cause you think they're going to get a better education, a better

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result than a task score or whatever.

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Um, no, just because it's private does not make any difference.

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Now you might choose between different schools, um, because some do run

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better than others at various times, but it's just because it's a private

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school is absolutely no guarantee that it's going to be any better

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than the public school down the road.

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And, um, you're wasting your money.

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And if you think that your kid is going to join an elite cohort and get these amazing

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contacts, uh, I did an interview with John Gillespie years ago on this podcast.

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And you can find that.

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And basically he said, You don't join a school and become part of the elite.

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You are already part of the elite and you joined the school that the elite to go to.

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And if you're working class and then join the elite school, thinking that you'll

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join the elite, that's not how it works.

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You don't get in.

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So, um, so yes, you will find, for example, a large number of Supreme

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court, new south Wales judges come from a particular school or whatever, but

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that's not because of the education they're getting in that school.

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It's just that that's where all the legal fraternity send their kids.

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And, um, and if you are not in that legal fraternity and you send your kid to that

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school thinking, there'll be part of that.

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If that's not how it works.

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So save your money and get yourself a no payer or something.

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I got myself a job purely on the strength of the school I went to.

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Right.

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You did.

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Yeah.

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And.

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What do you mean you'd be pulling what I'm just saying.

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I went in for a holiday job, uh, and the guy took the paperwork.

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The application form came out and said, oh, I see you went to Victoria college.

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What house were you at?

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That was it.

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I got the job.

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All right.

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Well that that's over.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Sorry.

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Vicious.

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Very mess about, um, pilot selection bank based on whether they churchy

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boys on all scarves substantiated.

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Seriously doubt it.

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I mean, it's way too competitive in a lot of fields now, like in the law, maybe

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now I look at GPA's, how good are you?

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What do you get at school, Mike?

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Um, you know, and, and now like the legal profession is now like 50% getting

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close to 50% partners or female, you know, all that old school tie stuff.

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Um, it doesn't work that way.

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It might work a little bit in stockbroking.

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They were the one of the last bastions, maybe in real estate, commercial real

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estate, but, um, uh, it's too competitive.

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They need smart, bright people.

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And where you went to school, a secondary consideration,

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you know, why down the list?

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Um, right.

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Um, uh, let me just see, uh, Shai, I saw this flight attendant

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entry level wage in 1998.

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Did you see this one $27 38 per hour, 90 98, 20 $7 38 in 2020

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entry level flight attendant.

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$29 70.

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It's a $2 32 increase in 22 years.

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Uh, um, I had a lot of thought about that.

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So to give you some background, um, you, might've also seen in the news

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that Quantas has taken an aggressive stance and, um, took a, um, agreement

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to the international cohort that paid them less and worked them harder.

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And so they said no to that agreement and, um, then Quantis claimed to move

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to, uh, terminating the agreement and just putting them back on the award

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in the meantime, to give the company certainty during these turbulent times.

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So, um, Hm.

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There's already risks I've already.

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So I immediately am dismissed with my workplace for speaking to the media.

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But, um, I just do probably need to talk about this anyway.

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So look, I'll put it in context.

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So I've been doing like lots and lots of digging because Quantis,

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uh, have cried poor before.

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And then we're quickly reporting record bonus work, record profits,

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and propping up the executives.

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Right?

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So it's, it's all very familiar.

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And, um, our union particularly flight attendants union has always said that

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they are willing to negotiate to a stand still, but they've never been willing to

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take real industrial action and Quantas.

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His latest move has forced the secretary of the electric light.

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Basically find the guts to fight them because she's in agreement that

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this has got a stope 20 years of just no wage growth, you know, and look,

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um, there's a whole range of things.

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Like I don't really think, um, flight attendants, I don't even think it's

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considered a profession or a career anymore, which is a shame because

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it's a really, really good gig.

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And that's between having our conditions eroded the casualization of the workforce,

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but also Richard Branson profiting from making flight attendants, some

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sort of a dim sex symbol, as opposed to somebody who's going to protect you.

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If you find yourself in trouble on a plane, aren't you glad you asked?

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Sorry, I'm getting to my point.

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So we're not being taken seriously, not being paid appropriately.

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We're finally taking a stand.

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Um, and it was kind of upsetting to say that once Terry put that on Twitter, This

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sort of like debate about how much flight attendants were worth ensued and just sort

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of just became another like distraction.

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Oh, what were people saying?

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I didn't look at the comments.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They're not worth 20.

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You're saying, oh, you know, I'm getting paid $27.

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A 1998 was pretty good.

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And, um, things like, you know, well, they're just hospitality and yep.

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What about aged care?

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Doesn't anybody care about aged care?

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You know, or, um, maybe if they were in a better union, maybe if they were

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better supported by another union that wouldn't have happened to them.

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Yeah.

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So just a whole lot of bullshit, but anyway, what was my point?

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So conditions have been eroded flight attendants aren't really been

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taken seriously due to the pandemic.

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Attitudes towards flight attendants St.

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Have gotten worse conditions, have an improved.

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And, um, certainly some of those flight attendants who said no to that

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agreement were also flying to rescue Australians when there wasn't a vaccine.

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So they were putting themselves potentially at serious risk.

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And, um, since all of this blew up, I think it's probably the first tweet.

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Um, Terry's ever put on Quantas is now a great tomato with, with the union again.

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So it's not over, but I think come out everything the crew have been through,

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like, it was just, it's just enough.

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I think, you know, I we've had, yeah, we've had a lot, we've dealt

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with a lot in the pasta years and, and we don't want to take away

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from aged care or other frontline workers who have done it tough too.

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But I just think.

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We can't let a convenient thing like a pandemic.

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Let Alan Joyce get his way again.

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Yep.

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I'm sure.

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Executive salaries didn't follow the same trajectory in terms

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of they didn't, they didn't.

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I once versus the highest paid CEO in aviation in the world

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live in million dollars a year.

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Really?

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Yes.

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Wow.

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Yep.

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There you go.

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There you go.

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So, all right, well, we'll move on while you still got a job.

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Just, um, just going back.

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Um, Alison mentioned, uh, she said I was given my first job as a solicitor

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in Brisbane in 1990, because I went to a state school in north Queensland.

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They didn't want a private school.

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There you go.

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That's a good story.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Um, I got my first job as an article Clark and I reckon it was one of the

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things was I had worked at McDonald's.

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With the lady who was sort of like the office manager at some point, and she saw

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the resume come through and uh, tonight give this guy guy he'll be all right.

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So, um, so yeah, I think that might have had a big thing to do with how I

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got in was through that sort of thing.

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Right.

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Um, yeah, just don't property, still property prices.

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I saw this tweet, which was someone living in their mom's basement used to be the

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butt of a joke, but the rental market is so insane that now it's like, damn,

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you've got a whole basement to yourself.

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That's sexy.

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Did you see the, um, anti work interview or not anti work interview?

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So there's a Reddit forum, which was called anti work.

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And it was a very, very anarchist group originally that were out to

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abolish work and, um, I don't know how they were going to make ends meet.

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Anyway, recently in America with everyone getting disaffected, by

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having to work three jobs to make ends meet, there's been an influx of

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people who want a fair wage system.

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Um, and Fox news got the main moderator from the anti work group on to talk

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about this and the something like a million people were in the group.

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And there's one person who is autistic hadn't dressed up for the interview

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was swiveling around in their chair.

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Wasn't making eye contact with the camera is saying that they earn, they

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work 20 hours a week as a dog Walker.

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And really laziness is a virtue.

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And I'm basically playing into all of the biases that Fox had.

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And, and the 1 million workers who are members of the group who wanted

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to advocate for, you know, we need to work three jobs to get a living wage,

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and we really need to do something about America's slave economy.

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Uh, we're very upset, right?

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That this person who I think was living at their parents' house and could

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afford to live on 20 hours a week of dog walking, we're standing up representing

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them when it wasn't at all, what they thought the group was about, right?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Living at home in a, in a salute Marius basement, no doubt, but played

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beautifully into the hands of Fox.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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Um, I really like Alan McCloud.

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He talks a lot about, uh, um, that is why other and south American other ticks.

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And there was this headline in Breitbart, which was Nicolas

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Maduro threatens to kill us troops.

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If they invade Venezuela.

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Duh,

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but you're supposed to do people invade your country.

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Why?

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Even through

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Noriega, I don't know why.

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Uh, just quickly, no jab, no heart transplant.

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31 year old, man.

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I think this was in the us.

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I'm no longer eligible to receive a heart transplant at Boston's Brigham

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and women's hospital because he refuses to get vaccinated against COVID-19.

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DJ Ferguson was at the top of the transplant list, but under the

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hospital's policy, he's ineligible because he's un-vaccinated Ferguson's

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father says his son will not get the vaccine because it's against his basic

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principles and he doesn't believe.

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And the hospital released a statement regarding situations saying like

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many other transplant programs.

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Um, COVID vaccine is one of several vaccines and lifestyle behaviors required

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for transplant candidates in order to receive, um, in order to create both the

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best chance for a successful operation.

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And also the patient's survival after transplantation, not surprising.

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And wow, you're a true believer.

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Aren't you, you need a heart transplant and you say no.

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And meanwhile, it's hardly sensible.

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I think the last time we discussed this, I mentioned my cousin was up for a

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kidney, it to make it laser requirements.

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So he got his kidney and Sydney, he got his kidney and then he got

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COVID, but he had got vaccinated before we go to the kidney.

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So he has his kidney and he gets to live.

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Yeah.

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And the community has a kidney that's.

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Yeah.

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Um, and yeah, I mean, I'm on immunosuppressive drugs.

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The people have had transplants are on much, much higher doses.

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Um, and effectively they have bugger all immune system.

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Um, so vaccines, once you're on those immunosuppressive drugs

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are very unlikely to work.

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It doesn't mean they won't, but yeah, the, the risk is high.

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So they want you to be fully vaccinated before you start taking those drugs.

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Um, another article I'm Kelly Slater.

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He's another one who's in there hasn't been vaccinated, um, claims he knows more

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about being healthy than 99% of doctors.

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So guess what?

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He's not going to be getting in.

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Presumably, presumably somewhere in the government, they've got a red

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flag at the passport control that says when Kelly slide nine county.

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Alarm bells set them off so we can get this straight this time.

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It didn't.

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I

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mean, honestly, if that guy gets into the country and we have to go

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through the whole Yakovich fiasco again, I'm leaving the country.

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Right.

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You crying?

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Explain you crime.

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Yes, please do.

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Yeah.

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Saudi listener.

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I had to hunt quite a bit to find the alternative story on the Ukraine

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and, um, sort of traditional story that we're being fed is that.

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Those nasty Russians are ganging up on those poor Ukrainians and it's up to the

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USA and the rest of the world to keep out the, uh, freedom, love and Ukrainians who

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have only just recovered their democracy.

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And, uh, and that evil Putin, we've got to show him what full war.

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I mean, let's see it, isn't it, that's the story.

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And so I'm going to name the articles and who's written them and whatever.

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And this is just the alternative side of the story that you can

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consider when trying to think about what's happening in the Ukraine.

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Um, first of all, I just want to give you, uh, some common ground.

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Um, this is a chart showing low vaccination rates around the

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world and, um, uh, vaccination.

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Fully vaccinated, uh, Russia, 49% USA, 66%, uh, next closest Japan on 84%.

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So Russia in the USA do hold, um, a similar value system when it

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comes to craziness with a vaccine.

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So, you know, that that's a common ground between the culture and the

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USA Putin's media machine is big in both Russia and the USA apparently.

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Alright.

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Um, so I am now on the, um, Facebook for the, for this episode, I had a map and I'm

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just going to bring that, find that map.

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Let me just find that and I'll bring that up.

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So, uh, let's put that up because it's important to look at at

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the map and see where we are.

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So if you're pulling the live stream or you're watching this on YouTube

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at some other point, I've got a map of Ukraine near the bottom,

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Crimea, Crimea, and off to the right.

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Um, the Eastern sort of section of the Ukraine that's in dispute

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in particular at the moment.

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So, all right.

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First article Calvin Hogue, former diplomat is worked in Asia, Europe

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and the Americas, as well as the UN.

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He's also worked at Australian national university and Macquarie universities.

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And he's riding in the, uh, John managee blog in an article and I'm quoting here.

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So he says it's a complex situation.

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Uh, the Ukrainian state in its present form is a relatively recent

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creation in historical terms and is still divided by religion,

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language, geography, and identity.

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And the, uh, internal problems are further complicated by the interests of

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European states and Russia, and the us in the west of the Ukraine, uh, people of

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Polish origin and in the Eastern Donbass region, Russian speakers permanent.

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Around whom the current controversy swirls, um, Russia is widely spot.

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Russian is widely spoken throughout the Ukraine, even by

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nationalistic, Ukrainian speakers, but not everyone speaks Ukrainian.

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So, um, the current imbroglios involves around Ukrainian nationalists who

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want everyone to speak and use the Ukrainian language on all occasions.

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And on the other hand, those who prefer a more multicultural approach where Russian

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can be used, especially in the Donbass.

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That's an area off to the right to the east, where it is the only language.

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Russian is the only language, uh, in the dog bear some worker, uh, in the

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Donbass, some would like to be part of Russia, but others are happy to

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remain Ukrainian so long as I can use the Russian language, many probably

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don't care and just want to be left alone in peace and relative prosperity.

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The revolt broke out after key Evian posed the use of Ukrainian and

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then Russia supported the rebels.

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So we now have a clash between Ukrainian Patriots supported by the

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government who want closer ties to Western Europe or in some cases,

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membership of the EU at nighttime.

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And on the other hand, those who were pro-Russian, they want closer

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ties with Russia and in some cases to be absorbed into Russia.

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So Russia is supporting the Donbass rebels, militarily, and

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politically, and it's offered citizenship to people in the region.

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And the U S supports the anti-Russian parties.

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Um, Western Europe offers rhetorical support, but would not

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want a divided floor and corrupt country joining the EU or NATO.

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Um, many your Crimeans hate that Western Europe will let

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them in, bring them out of.

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So the question is, will Putin invite you crying and what will others do?

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And he says here that forces have been sent to the border.

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Um, and he says, it's worth remembering the Cuban missile crisis when the U S

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threatened war at the USSR placed nuclear missiles in Cuba and Russia, back down

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only at the price of a secret agreement by the U S to remove missiles from Turkey.

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So Russia still sees NATO as a threat quite legitimately.

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Um, so Russia believes they got a promise from the U S that NATO

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would not move east as quid pro quo for accepting German unification.

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But now they see this promise being broken.

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So no host world war two, we had NATO, uh, agreement north Atlantic

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treaty organizations with the U S.

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Setting up there, miss aisles, phasing them towards Russia.

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And we had a zone in between that and Russia of sort of Eastern block countries.

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It was like a buffer zone.

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And really what's been happening over the last 50 years is that buffer zone is

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being depleted as more and more of these countries are joining the EU and NATO.

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So it's a dangerous situation to reduce a buffer zone.

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If this was happening to the Americans, they would be

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apoplectic with rage and fear.

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Um, but they don't, you know, and to give Russia the same, uh,

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opportunity to feel that way.

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So, um, bottom line is Putin would like to absorb that Donbass region.

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Um, it's actually industrial.

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The rest of Ukraine is not, um, it doesn't want to get into a

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war and most likely outcome is.

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It'll just stay in the way it is at the moment.

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So that was, uh, Kevin Hogue, um, Tom Andrew block, right?

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Cameron Lecky, uh, he's an officer at the Australian army for 24 years.

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Agricultural engineer, currently PhD candidate also

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writing the John Menindee blog.

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So he's saying that we're witnessing the end of Washington's uni poll on moment,

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which is basically the, the strength of the USI as the numero UNO, um, big dog on

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the planet in terms of military affairs.

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So, um, uh, he says the coverage by our media shows we've become

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addicted to our own propaganda and that the mainstream media have become

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little more than narrative managers.

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Um, so, um, so he said.

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Uh, reading of media articles, which suggest that the history

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of the UK and crisis, the Ukraine crisis started with a Russian

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invasion of Crimea and the Donbass.

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For example, the ABC in an explainer article described it thus quote

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in 2014, Russia, annexed, Crimea Crimea after Ukraine ousted,

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fro Russian leader, Victor Yana.

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Covich an ally of Mr.

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Putin's.

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So that's what the ABC summarized.

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It ads in 2014, Russia annexed Crimea after the Ukraine ousted a pro-Russian

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leader who was an ally of Mr.

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Putin's.

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So that's a gross simplification of what occurred that leader was asked it

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in a violent coup fleeing for his life.

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The coup was the culmination of escalating violent protests.

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After that president Yanukovych decided to withdraw the Ukraine.

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From a proposed agreement with the European union and agreement

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that would have harmed Ukraine's already struggling economy.

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So while many of the protesters were peaceful, a sizeable proportion of the

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postcode government and the protesters who brought it to Powell were fascists.

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The United States supported the coup, um, and that's, um, a number

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of sources will basically say that.

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Um, so there was also in 2010, um, a pact was signed between the Ukraine

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and Russia about a Naval base in Crimea and, um, the, um, allowing

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the Russians to stay in crime area at this black sea Naval base until 2004.

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The vehemently anti-Russian post KU government, given the opportunity would

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have canceled this agreement for sure.

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Um, so, and they would have invited us and NATO forces onto the Crimean peninsula.

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So that was just going to be unacceptable to Russia.

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So they annexed it as a direct result.

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So the original sin was the coup, but this has disappeared down

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the media memory hall, enabling a narrative of Russian aggression.

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Um, and there was a 2015 Minsk agreement, which was basically to sort out what

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was going to happen with his Donbass region as operating as a separate

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territory to the rest of the Ukraine and Ukrainian government agreed to that.

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And hasn't done anything to facilitate that happening.

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So, uh, two sides to the story there.

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Um, a bit more on this, um, So the interesting part in that one is that

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the, um, the IMF tried to get the Ukraine to agree to a host of changes

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to its economy in exchange for money.

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And it was the classic Neo liberal takeover of a country that the IMF

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has been doing all around the world.

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And I'll get to the details later, but it was clearly going to be, um, not in

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the UK, his interests are not in the Ukrainian interest to agree to that.

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So they basically had to, um, knock it on their head and then turn to the Russians

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and say, well, what have you got for us?

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And the Russians often run a deal.

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And I said, okay, we'll go with you.

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And what else.

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There was a coup that overthrew the Ukrainian government supported by

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the U S it's just a classic play that has been happening on this planet for

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the last 70 years where, um, where essentially, if you don't accept the

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IMF proposals that you open up your economy to U S interests, that you

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nationalize your, your, your commons and that you impose austerity programs.

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If you don't do that, then you'll be tossed out in a coup that'll

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be engineered by the Americans.

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That's exactly what happened, all happened in the Ukraine.

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So I'll get a bit more into the details on that.

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Um, uh, just the, the, the ability of the Americans to be

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so shameless about what they.

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This sphere of influence, uh, encompasses in the world.

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So Joe Biden says everything south of Mexican border is America's front yard.

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I mean, the Monroe doctrine is still in effect.

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Monroe doctrine was nobody touches central and south America.

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That's our hemisphere.

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You stay out, it's just an open statement.

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The Monroe document doctrine, it's still implied.

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You know, they've got that spokesperson who talks at the

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white house and answers questions.

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Um, on behalf of the president, uh, Jin Spassky P S a K I, he says,

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Eastern Europe is our Eastern flank.

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Like be your crane is America's Eastern flank, according to the white house.

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As Katelyn Johnson says the us government firmly believes its

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territorial borders extend to outer planets in our solar system.

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And then she says, um, anyone that criticizes, um, the annexation

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of Crimea, uh, doesn't understand that the overwhelming majority of

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Crimeans prefer to be part of Russia.

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So there was a referendum held in 2014, which the Crimeans overwhelmingly voted

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to secede from the Ukraine and joined the Russian Federation and a similar

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vote in 1991 to secede from the Ukraine, which the Ukrainian government overruled.

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And the results of further than confirmed by Western pollsters in 2015

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and 2019 say there's a huge amount of support in Crimea to be part of Russia.

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The other part is.

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Saying that the crime ear can go back to the Ukraine ignores the historical fact

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that it was only briefly under Ukrainian administration having been put there by

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Khrushchev who was a Ukrainian when he was head of the Soviet union, is that prior

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to Khrushchev, it was just an independent state as part of that Eastern block.

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He was Ukrainian itself like Mike on me of part of the Ukraine, right?

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Nother writer, Gregory Clark began his career in Australia's department

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of external affairs with postings to Hong Kong and Moscow resigned

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in 1964 to protest Australia's participation in the Vietnam war.

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Um, uh, it lives in Japan.

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Um, he was in the Australian in Moscow, 1963 to 65 and has visited

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Ukraine and Crimea several times.

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So he's the writer of this third article that we're going to talk.

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People seem to have forgotten that in 2014, there was a civil war

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in the Ukraine, which sorta who installed anti-Russian government

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using extremist far-right militias from Western Ukraine to dominate the

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large Russian speaking majority in central and Eastern Ukraine with 14,000

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killed the pro Russian groupings.

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I only managed to survive by establishing holdouts in the far east and provinces.

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From there, they negotiated a truce with the new anti-Russian government, which

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promised them a degree of autonomy.

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It was called the Minsk to agreement of 2015, the Kiev government reneged

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on the promise of autonomy, even though they'd signed onto it.

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He since have seen Sprague fighting failed attempts to revive that agreement, um, uh,

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It is the very existence of, uh, that Donbass region, the Russian

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either receive, which is denounced as Russian aggression, even though

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the Minsk agreement allowing the existence of the provinces, has

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you insecurity council approval?

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So that was him, another guy, um, Bryce green.

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Now he is just a humble student at Indiana university Bloomington, no special, um,

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diplomatic qualifications at all, but he's got some interesting information here.

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So the official line goes something like this.

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Russia is challenging NATO and the international rules based order by

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threatening to invite Ukraine and the Biden administration needed to deter

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Russia by providing more security guarantees, the Ukrainian government.

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The official account seizes on the 2014 annexation of Crimea as a starting point.

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And as evidence of Putin's goals are rebuilding Russia's long lost empire.

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Um, Russia's demand that NATO stop expanding is viewed as such

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an obviously impossible demand.

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It can only be understood as a pretext to invite you crying.

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If all of the U S should send weapons and trips to Ukraine

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to guarantee your security.

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I mean, that's a fair assessment of the way this is being portrayed.

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Um, uh, let me just see, uh,

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so the backdrop to the CU, as I was talking about before, it was in

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response to, um, the us through the IMF, trying to open up Ukrainian

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markets to foreign investors.

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So.

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Uh, he says a key tool for this has been the international monetary

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fund, which leverages aid loans to push governments, to adopt policies,

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friendly to foreign investors.

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The IMF is funded by and represents Western financial capital and governments.

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And it's been reshaping economies around the world for decades often with

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disastrous results in the Ukraine, the IMF had long planned to implement a

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series of economic reforms to make the country more attractive to investors.

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These included cutting wage controls, meaning lowering lighters, reforming,

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and reducing health and education sectors and cutting natural gas

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subsidies to Ukrainian citizens.

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So that, uh, that made energy affordable to the general public.

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So the IMF wanted to lower wages reduce health sectors and.

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Cut natural gas subsidies.

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So energy would be more expensive.

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That's part of the program that they insist in order to

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provide line to the Ukraine.

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So the Ukrainian president negotiated, but then turned against these changes

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and ended the trade talks and started negotiations with Russia, which

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was of course, or may just not.

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So, um, there was a coup, as I've already mentioned, engineered by

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the U S after the coup the new government quickly restarted that deal.

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Um, and after cutting heating subsidies in the half secured, a $27

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billion commitment from the IMF, uh,

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The Americans wearing guides in a destabilization campaign against

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the inner COVID government.

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They can't the campaign culminated with the overthrow of the elected

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president in the Maidan revolution.

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Um, so the U S was fueling anti-government sentiment and I spent 5 billion

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promoting democracy in the Ukraine.

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And, uh, let's just see,

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um,

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and there's a late type where the Americans were discuss what court

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discussing, who they wanted to be as the new president in the Ukraine

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once they cou had been completed.

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So that's all on tape as well.

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And, and that basically the opposition that they used to topple the government

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in the CU, um, is a far right and openly Nazi, or like there's some ugly

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characters in this Ukrainian government.

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And, um, they've been incorporated into the Ukrainian armed forces, uh,

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the same armed forces that the U S has now given $2.5 billion to, and,

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um, plenty of human rights abuses.

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And, um, I cried in my end bit.

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I've already talked about, and

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essentially I've talked about that.

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There's no way the U S would tolerate what's happened to.

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The Russia, if it was happening on the U S soil.

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And let me just get to, I've got a couple more, that'll be in the show notes.

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I realize I'm going a bit over time and it's probably starting to tax

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you, but I just wanted to talk about, um, the shamelessness of America.

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Um, uh,

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secretary of state is on January 13, secretary of state, Anthony Blinken

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said quite one country does not have the right to dictate the policies of

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another what a tale that country with him at my associate one country does

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not have the right to exert a sphere of influence, but notion should be

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relegated to the dustbin of history.

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Just so fucking shameless.

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Um, let me just get onto, oh, the other thing of course, is that.

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There's a gas pipeline.

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The Russians are supplying Germany with gas Vajra pipeline and the Americans.

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One of the reasons for stirring up this trouble is basically to say to

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the Germans, you can't trust Russia to supply gas through that pipeline.

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We could be at war with these guys, you know what you need?

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Do you need to buy gas from us?

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Cause all USA, like there's a clear incentive for the S to cause havoc

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with Russia so that they can cruel the deal where Russia is selling

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gas, Vara plot, Von to Germany.

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And, uh, um, and yeah, and so Ted Cruz, uh, and others assigned to the Germans.

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You need to buy your Amir or your gas via boats from us.

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Start getting your ports ready.

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Um, I'll just finish with Matt tie AB he's a very good rider.

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And, um, uh, I think he's actually Russian background, but he

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writes a whole bunch of things.

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He talking about America here and he's an American, um, our plan with

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every foreign country that falls into Albert Elbert is the same.

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We ride in as save is throwing lines in all directions to settle

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debts, often dead side to us.

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Then let it be now on the country's affairs will henceforth be run through

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our advocacy instead of devising individual policies, we go through

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identical processes of receiving groups of local politicians seeking our backing.

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We throw our weight behind the courtiers.

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We like best the winning supplicants are usually Western

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educated speak great English.

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Now how to flatter drunk diplomats and are fluent in near liberal Wong speak.

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We back our men in Havana to the hilt, no matter how corrupt they

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may becoming their rule, a process, we called democracy promotion.

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The cycle always ends the same way the white hat ally turns out to be either I

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have a matched or a snake, usually the latter and siphons off Western eyes to

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himself and his cronies in huge quantities while smashing opposition by any means

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necessary that brutality and corruption combined with efforts to implement our

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structural adjustment policies, Reid austerity, and the nationalization of the

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de nationalization of natural resources, inevitably results in loss of popular

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support and or the rise of opposition movements on the right to the left or

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both rising discontent in turn inspires further requests from the puppet for

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security aid, which we happily provide since that ultimately is the whole

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point selling weapons to foreigners to fill those Washington rice balls.

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You'll soon hear it in the form of increased calls for defense spending amid

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the Ukrainian miss, um, This is relevant to the Russia and Ukraine because we've

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cycled through at least half the usual failure process with both countries.

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And, um, uh, he says in 2013, Ukraine was proceeding down a

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path of integration into the EU.

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Um, the president, uh, Yanna Covich always described in America as an

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outright puppet of Moscow was actually a proponent of Euro integration.

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Um, and he could jolt and bullied anyone who pushed for Ukraine

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to have closer ties to Russia.

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Um, but, um, Putin's tactics, including intense economic and military threats

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pushed Yana Covich tobacco out of the EU deal and take instead an

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economic trade package with Russia.

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Um,

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uh, it talks about the us back crew.

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There you go.

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That's a summary of really what's happening over there in the Ukraine.

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Um, it's just following the classic story of poor countries around the world.

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U S wants to buy its infrastructure once it's companies to be able to operate.

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And if you don't allow them access, then, um, your government will

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be overthrown in a coup and sure Russia are not nice guys and not

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good guys and all this, but they're just doing what you know, how's do.

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And you can hardly blame them for particularly when you're looking at

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the ethnic makeup of the people in the Donbass region and the Crimean region

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as being very pro-Russian groups.

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So, um, so there you go.

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That's just a different painting of the picture of what's going on,

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how the Ukraine got independence.

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Um, Y he got independence with the fall of the Soviet union.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I suspect things were such a mess at the time and things were happening so quickly.

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Um, a lot of history that would normally take decades was crunched

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into a small amount of time.

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Wasn't it?

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I don't know.

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So you know, that whole breakup of the Soviet union, um, happened pretty

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quickly when you think about it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Um, all right.

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If you're still in the chat remained listening good on you for hanging around.

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That's a bit of a diatribe, but Hey, you're not gonna get it anywhere else.

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It's hard to find it.

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So if you are a patron, you'll see all that in the show notes.

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If you're not, you have a patron and get access to it.

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Um, look on the website and next week I am definitely talking about

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economics in super imperialism.

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So this is the idea deal, listener that after the, um, first world.

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The allies in Germany owed America, huge amount of money.

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You have to, they couldn't possibly pay in America should have forgiven as

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creditors are often forced, but they didn't, which led to the depression,

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which led to the VMR, why my Republic and all the rest of it, which led to the

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second world war, the second world war.

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Yeah.

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After the second world war, there was more debt this time.

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They were, uh, more clever and how they set up central banks and others in terms

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of, of repaying it, but, uh, basically giving money to, uh, the allies and

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to Germany, but on the condition that they spend the money with America.

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And then we had a period where America was this incredibly powerful creditor

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nation, where he'd had all the money in the world and all the gold in the world.

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And was it basically forcing other countries to submit, to allowing

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them into their markets and they did.

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And then what happened was America got into the Korean and the Vietnam

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war wars and this huge surplus that they'd had got frittered away in war.

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Basically they lost it all on war spending and became a, uh, internationally,

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a detonation where now America owed money to the other countries.

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The interesting, really interesting thing is that after world war two

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there's was this really strong linkage between the us dollar and gold.

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And they were treated as the sign because the U S was so dominant.

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But when the U S said, well, we've run out of gold.

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Because we spent it all on war and guess what?

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We're just jumping off the gold standard.

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We can have our dollars, but we're not guaranteeing you that they are

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now connected to a, an amount of gold.

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You're just going to have to take it as, as paper money and the rest of the

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world capitulated and S and said, yes.

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And, and then that just snowballed where the us could just print money and buy

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whatever it wanted around the world.

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And its companies could take this cheap, easy money at no interest that was maybe

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one or 2%, and then go and buy businesses in Europe using this cheap money.

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And then the money got recycled back in us, treasuries.

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That's what next week is about.

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In a nutshell, it's a really, really interesting story and

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I'm in, I find it fascinating.

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So, um, you might remember when I did the story with modern

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monetary theory with Stephen Hale.

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And I said in that to him at 1.0 U S dollar thing, the free

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lunch that the U S gets now, are you at all worried about that?

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You know, and he wasn't, he wasn't that concerned.

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He didn't see a big deal about it, but Michael Hudson does same.

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So I don't know how long it's going to go forward.

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It's going to be a solo diatribe as I delve into super

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imperialism by Michael Hudson.

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That is definitely next week.

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And the second world war loans Lend-Lease is only paid off by the UK in 2006.

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Yes, exactly.

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Yes.

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Yep.

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So that's all in there.

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Um, amazing stuff, amazing.

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Um, where the us claims to be.

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All about free markets, but in fact, it's not.

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So anyway, we'll get into that next week.

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Thank you for listening.

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Um, good on you.

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If you stayed in the chat room for all that, you're a true believer.

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Thanks Shea.

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Thanks Joe.

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You want to say goodbyes?

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Just go ahead.

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Thank you.

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Goodbye.

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And it's a good note from him.

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All right.

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Talk to you next week.

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Bye.

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