Episode 199 – Pentecostals, Pirate Party and Political Donations

Episode 199 – Pentecostals, Pirate Party and Political Donations

We discuss Scott Morrison’s Pentecostal beliefs, Pirate Party policies and Political Donations.

2:28   Scott Morrison invites media into Pentecostal church amid election campaign ‘truce’

That could backfire.

From James Boyce in The Monthly.

Pentecostalism is, in fact, the perfect faith for a conviction politician without convictions.

The emphasis on personal experience over dogma makes the difference difficult to document. The religion’s starting point is not the written-down teachings of Jesus, the moral code set out in the Bible, or the instructions of the institutional Church … The essence of our prime minister’s religion is not a set of beliefs at all but a unique perspective on the Christian experience in which God is so intimately present to the saved and sanctified that he can be felt, talked to and heard at any time … Pentecostalism is obsessed with the Devil to an extent that is heretical to mainstream Christianity. “Satan” is not an abstract idea but a highly personal fallen angel who, through his ability to manipulate and direct nonbelievers, largely runs the “world”. To be baptised in the Spirit is to be personally conscripted into the struggle, intimately experienced in daily life, between the forces of good and ever-present evil … most Pentecostals are certain that the end times are upon us …

If for no other reason than this dangerous delusion (that if he wins it will be because God delivered it) Australians deserve to know more about what the leader of our country believes. Pentecostalism might not be a cult, but in terms of what ordinary people have been told about its true teachings, it may as well be. Those charged with scrutinising our politicians should put aside the national discomfort about discussing religion, and do what they would if a political leader subscribed to any other little-known ideology. Morrison must be made to tell us more about the faith that has shaped his life.

12:09 Notre Dame

Australia will donate?

15:48 John August and the Pirate Party

John August tells us why we should vote Pirate Party.

Anti-abortion activists fail in legal challenge to scrap buffer zones

The implied freedom of political communication is an implication from the democratic structure of the Constitution, that Parliaments (both Commonwealth and State) should not unduly restrict free speech on political issues. The High Court has thrown out a last-ditch legal challenge against laws that ban protesters from harassing patients and staff outside abortion clinics.

In a unanimous decision, the court rejected challenges by anti-abortion activists Kathleen Clubb and John Graham Preston against laws introduced in Victoria and Tasmania.

The Australian Christian Lobby’s managing director, Martyn Iles, said the decision meant an act of communication was met with an “extreme penalty”.

“This sets a very low bar when it comes to limiting the freedom to communicate on political matters,” he said.

Mr Iles described Ms Clubb’s activism as “heroic and commendable”.

New safe zones floated to protect terminally ill patients from anti-euthanasia protesters

Terminally ill patients could be protected by new safe access zones at hospitals to prevent harassment from activists protesting against voluntary euthanasia.

The Andrews government says it will “carefully consider” whether protest buffer zones – such as those in place at abortion clinics – were needed to protect patients.

A fringe group of anti-euthanasia protesters have vowed to continue their campaign outside the entrance to the Peter MacCallum Cancer Centre, where they have been handing pamphlets to cancer patients describing voluntary euthanasia as “patient killing by doctors.”

Another example  where the best lack all conviction while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

Victoria will become the first state in Australia to allow assisted dying in two months time, with the historic laws coming into effect on June 19.

57:46 Falou

What a great debate topic!

From The Law and Religion Report:

In theory it might have at first been thought that Mr Folau’s post was unlawful under NSW law. Under s 49ZTof the Anti-Discrimination Act1977 (NSW) it is unlawful to “incite hatred towards, serious contempt for, or severe ridicule of, a person or group of persons on the ground of the homosexuality of the person or members of the group”. But s 49ZT(2)(c) exempts from that prohibition any act “done reasonably and in good faith, for… religious instruction”, and the overall theme of Mr Folau’s Instagram account could well be said to be “religious instruction”.

1:01:44 Fitzsimmons on James McGrath

My question didn’t get through on Q&A, so I’ll ask it here. I refer to the appearance of the Queensland LNP senator James McGrath and how truly shocked he was that donations from the Adani coal-mining mob might affect LNP policies.

“I want to address that,” the good Senator thundered. “I’m outraged, I’m actually outraged about that. It is actually offensive for any politician on this panel or anywhere to say that the Liberal National Party or people who support the Liberal National Party are taking policy positions based on donations. That is actually offensive and it is wrong.”

So here’s the question, Senator. What’s in it for Adani to make the donation, then? If it won’t affect LNP policy one way or another, why would a corporation give any money at all? I am genuinely interested in your answer. The same goes for corporations giving money to the ALP, the Greens and all the rest. Last week, the Pharmacy Guild of Australia made a donation of $15,000 to One Nation, of all parties! Why, do you think? Because they support One Nation policies, or because they hope for One Nation support on legislation concerning matters important to the Pharmacy Guild? But you think Adani is different, and you are outraged at the suggestion? Please.

1:05:54 Democracy for sale

Who donates what.

The Salary Sacrifice Industry went from never making a political donation, to making six-figure payments every year to the major parties in order to stop the revival of a short-lived policy that threatened their business model.

In the lead up to the 2013 election, during the brief period when Kevin Rudd returned as Prime Minister, with new Treasurer Chris Bowen at his side, the Labor Party announced that the tax perk to buy vehicles out of pre-tax income for personal use would end, saving the budget $1.8 billion dollars.

In response to the policy announcement, the Australian Salary Packaging Association gave their first ever donation of $250,000 to the Liberals. Then Opposition Leader Tony Abbott declared that if elected, he would not proceed with the measure.

Abbott won the election and dumped the measure as government policy. The new peak body, the National Automotive Leasing and Salary Packaging Association, started making donations to both parties, which totalled $357,700, in the lead up to the next election in 2016.

Both of the major parties are now on the take, with donations steadily coming in each year so that parties know there will be a continuous income stream. More was spent on Labor after the 2013 election loss, presumably in order to bring them around.

Then, in May 2016, two months before the federal election, Labor Opposition Leader  Bill Shorten wrote to the Industry to assure them that the tax break would not change, by which point at least $200,000 had been donated to the Labor Party.

The shares in the industry boomed by 8 per cent after this letter was made public.

1:08:48 Water Mess

From Crikey:

It has been revealed that Eastern Australia Agriculture, one of the beneficiaries of the controversial Murray-Darling Basin water contracts signed off by then-agriculture minister Barnaby Joyce, made donations totalling $55,000 to the NSW Liberal Party across 2012 and 2013 — the first of whichThe Herald-Sun ($) reports occurred while current Energy Minister Angus Taylor was listed as a director of Caymen Islands-based parent company Eastern Australia Irrigation.

Opposition water spokesman Tony Burke yesterday wrote to the department asking it to publish documents explaining the due diligence process undertaken before entering into the agreement.

“On the face of it, it looks like for floodwater that only exists in very rare circumstances that effectively they have paid top dollar for it,” Mr Burke said.

“You don’t pay Versace ­prices for water that you get from the Reject Shop, and that looks like what Barnaby Joyce has done. So we need that information to be made public.”

Asked whether he knew the parent company was based in the Cayman Islands and the profits would be going overseas, Mr Joyce said he trusted the department to “do the right thing”.

“I do not negotiate the price, I do not negotiate the vendor,” he said.

“These were the people who were offering water to us to buy.

“You ask whether they’ve got water to sell, you are not asking what clothes they wear, you don’t ask who they are married to.”


We buy water and we accept donations. The system is broken.

Guess which country’s companies were the biggest buyers of Australian farmland in 2017-18?

By Andrew Leigh who is the Shadow Assistant Treasurer.

It was the Bahamas, whose firms bought two million hectares in a single year.

To put this into perspective, Bahamas companies last year bought an area the size of Israel. The Bahamas is now the fifth-largest owner of Australian agricultural land. It’s not because there’s a special relationship between our farms and theirs, but because investing through a tax haven is the economic equivalent of donning a wig and fake glasses.

1:11:08 Can Clive Palmer Buy an Election?

I’m hoping people can see how fake Morrison is but the return of Clive Palmer indicates that many Australian people have lost the capacity to spot a fake.

A surge in support for Clive Palmer on the back of a $30 million ­advertising campaign has given the billionaire the power to act as kingmaker in marginal seats, as the Coalition closes in on Labor in at least two of those electorates.

An exclusive Newspoll of four marginal seats across the country, conducted for The Australian, shows the divisive Queensland businessman and former failed MP could also be on track to hold the balance of power in the Senate.

The Australian understands senior Liberals are in advanced discussions with Mr Palmer’s team in a bid to secure preference deals.

1:13:10 Burn the register

Lookup who owns what.

1:14:27  Assisted Dying

Did you submit your letter?

The federal government has ordered the Australian Law Reform Commission to review the legal framework of religious exemptions to anti-discrimination laws.

The Commission has been asked to advise how to have your cake and eat it too.

The ALRC review will look at what changes to Commonwealth, state and territory law would need to be made to “limit or remove altogether (if practicable) religious exemptions to prohibitions on discrimination, while also guaranteeing the right of religious institutions to conduct their affairs in a way consistent with their religious ethos.”


1:14:56 The Shovel

I’ve ordered my copy of the election guide 2019.


1:16:25 Landon Hardbottom

He’s been speaking to Scomo.

Landon Hardbottom has sent through his profile picture.

Hopefully, you can see it.


New Patrons

We have lots!

1:19:12 The feedback is people enjoy breaking out of their echo chambers

Niko – thanks for signing up.

Got to say a huge thank you, gents. I’ve been looking for an Australian podcast that met my interests but wasn’t always an echo chamber for my positions. You constantly make me reconsider and evaluate the way I think and can be counted on to give a fresh perspective. Decided to become a patron today because I thoroughly enjoy your show and I hope to see you guys knock down the door of the ABC and put a secular show on the airways. Keep up the top work. Cheers.

Also from 27 March

Tom sent a link about chaplaincy and said “…I enjoy the podcast, purely because it asks questions of my own views particularly on feminism, racism and identity politics. I doubt I would have continued to listen if I agreed with everything that is expressed. Keep up the good work”

And from Wheatwatcher who left a 5 star review on iTunes

I have only been listening to podcasts for around six months. This is one of the few which I have been able to stick with. It is refreshing to see differing viewpoints on a number of subjects as opposed to the typical echo chambers which seem common in many current affair podcasts.

Chapter Marks

Solved for IOS but not Android

Overcast is free and works.

I really like Downcast.

1:20:31 Pronunciation From

From Watley:

Hi Fist.

Could you please do us all a favour and pronounce “Celtic” correctly? It is a hard K sound, despite the ridiculous c, which is as you should be able to see a totally useless character in our alphabet.

I’ll explain some basic Latin. Despite our modern pronunciation of caesar, Cicero etc, the c was originally a hard K sound. In the case of the two statesman, frenchification and church Latin weakened the k to a s, also the hard k became unpopular in modern history by the German use of the term Kaiser, directly adopted from the term romans Caesar.

The earliest records of the celts as a people are from the Greeks, who have no confusing c character, but use a sensible K, and this is recorded as Keltoi. The Keltoi came from the east, and spread west across Europe between fifteen hundred and five hundred BCE, they were possibly the remnants of the Hittite civilisation which had collapsed due to, you’ll love this, religious dominance creating social and economic fatigue in the populace and ultimately famine and decline. That last is just my theory since there is little available evidence or access to sites to really have a dig.

Mea sulpa err mea Kulpa

btw Watley seems to agree with me on Venezuela and taxing wealth as well as income.

Wealth Tax and Inheritance Tax and Capital Gains Tax

One comment on “Episode 199 – Pentecostals, Pirate Party and Political Donations
  1. John August says:

    A correction – the Greens supported a site blocking bill, but did in fact challenge the access and assistance bill.
    John August.

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