Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders

From episode 125

58:21 Indigenous cultural appropriation and the original sin of non-aboriginals and the hazy question of who qualifies as aboriginal.

From episode 123

52:05 Hikers at Bluff Knoll in Western Australia have started to take their clothes off upon reaching the summit and local Aborigines find this disrespectful.

59:23 The Mayor of Alice Springs has provided statistics which show an amazing increase in the number of people claiming to be Aboriginal.

1:04:27 We look at an interesting case in America where African-American slaves of Cherokee American Indians claim Cherokee identity.

From episode 122

51:25 The Iron Fist is dismayed at attempts to connect aboriginal kinship with changes to marriage equality laws.

From episode 121

54:31 Aboriginal communities have decided that there will be no more climbing of Uluru after 2018.

From episode 115

56:05 Kenan Malik has visited Australia and is not afraid to tackle some difficult ideas regarding indigenous Australians.

Equally troubling is the romanticization. It has become the accepted truth that Indigenous peoples have a culture stretching back 65,000 years. Humans have been on the continent for that long, but no culture extends over such a time span. Today’s Indigenous Australians no more have the same relationship to the spiritual tradition of Dreamtime stories as did those first inhabitants than modern Greeks relate to “The Iliad” in the way their ancient forebears did.

The idea of an unbroken, unchanged culture has a flip side that has always animated racists. It was once used to portray Indigenous Australians, and other nonwhite races, as primitive and incapable of development. Likewise with another common claim: that Indigenous people have a special attachment to the land and a unique form of ecological wisdom. This, too, draws on an old racist trope, a reworking of the “noble savage” myth. The fact that in contemporary debates such ideas are deployed in support, rather than denial, of Indigenous rights does not make them more palatable.

When I raised these issues with Australian academics and activists, many suggested that as someone with a European perspective, I did not grasp the nuances of the Australian debate. That may be true. But many of the issues are global, not local. From America to South Africa, from India to France, questions about the legacies of colonialism, the authenticity of cultural traditions and the meaning of democracy in pluralist societies dominate public debate.

From episode 113

01:43 In this episode, the Iron Fist admits to an error regarding trans-generational trauma.

10:40 An indigenous Alice Springs councillor says there is no need to change Australia day and people should not feel guilty.

1:02:57 An art exhibition in South Australia is shut down because of the cultural appropriation of a sacred indigenous figure. This is a worrying trend. It leads to a conversation about copyright.

From episode 111

01:02 We discuss:

  • What is the best date for Australia Day,
  • 10:51 Stan Grant and Cook’s statue,
  • 15:30 Trans-generational trauma,
  • Aborigines who elect to identify with part of their ancestry and after dividing their own identity complain about inclusion of that identity in society.

22:13 We look at the removal of racist place names in Queensland such as Nigger Creek, Nigger bounce, Mount Nigger and seven instances of Nigger Creek. The Fist gives reasons why these should be changed but not our historical statues. The 12 Man disagrees.

From episode 110

51:50 The Uluru Bark Petition is an outrageous document purporting to speak on behalf of the entire Aboriginal people of Australia.

From episode 97

22:17 We think that a second anthem using Aboriginal friendly words is a bad idea and so does Stan Grant.

From episode 92

57:17 A map of the world’s most and least racially tolerant countries

 

 


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