Episode 151 – Science will undermine Liberal Humanism

Science has undermined religion and is about to do the same to Liberal Humanism. If your version of Humanism prioritises individual freedom of choice but science reveals that freedom of choice is a myth, then it might be time to choose a different branch of Humanism.

Apologies to Mrs Fist and Meredith. It’s another long episode.

2:20 Trump, North Korea and the G7

9:09 NSW abortion clinic ‘safe access’ bill passes with overwhelming support. Minister for Women, Tanya Davies, and the former minister, Pru Goward, were among those who voted against it.  The text of the actual amendment. A Sydney Catholic bishop is calling for safe access zones to be enforced around churches

21:32   ‘Ellis defence’ scrapped as Victorian law change opens church up to abuse legal actionAn explanation of the Ellis defence and the new legislation.

26:40 Catholic Church agrees to redress scheme. What is the redress scheme?

28:32 Breaking the seal of confession won’t help children

31:55 Australian Medical Association endorses Uluru Statement on Indigenous constitutional change

37:12 Traditional Aboriginal healers should work alongside doctors to help close the gap

43:43 How religious was China?

47:37 The Chinese are infiltrating religious groups?

52:03 Denmark passes a law banning burqa and niqab.

53:20 The older women theory from Jordan Peterson.

56:20 Tommy Robinson was derailing a court case. Don’t feel sorry for him.

59:04 Dave Rubin – A libertarian nut case. Praised the Masterpiece Bakery decision and said if things continue as they are, he will vote for Trump.

1:01:11 The Masterpiece decision. The Supreme Court invented hostility in comments made (after its ruling) by one member of the  Colorado commission (not State court). This is why we should avoid a Bill of Rights. Apparently, Victoria would allow such discrimination.

1:04:42 Patron Info

1:10:41 The Ramsay Centre and the ANU  It shows just how seriously our national newspaper and its right-wing commentariat (a description Sheridan did not deny) is fighting its culture wars. 

Documents Reveal the Mormon Church Has Investments Worth At Least $32 Billion

1:13:55 Police plan to exclude or eject revellers from Saturday’s Above and Beyond music event in Sydney if a drug detection dog sits next to them – even if police cannot find any drugs.

1:16:50 1 in 6 Aussies don’t have $2000 in emergency money. 63% of Americans don’t have $500 in emergency money.

1:18:18 The End of the American Experiment – It’s Over. So What Can the World Learn?

America – The Handmaid’s Tale meets 1984 by way of Mein Kampf.

1:29:42 School funding is a disgrace

1:31:41 Wizard or Prophet – which one are you? – If Harari is to be believed, liberal humanism is going to be undermined in a decade or two by the very same scientific progress that Pinker extols at length in Enlightenment Now. Just as scientific study of the Bible inadvertently undermined faith in the Christian God, scientific study of the mind is inadvertently undermining faith in the liberal humanist God: the freely-choosing individual. Steve Pinker’s book is flawed.


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7 comments on “Episode 151 – Science will undermine Liberal Humanism
  1. Robin Bristow says:

    http://junkee.com/the-greens-sniffer-dog/163004 Greens are taking NSW police to court regarding sniffer dogs.

  2. Karin says:

    I’m not sure why you’re hating on Peterson in this episode. I’ve watched and listened to a lot of him and much of what he says is based in science. It is also true that in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Iraq where veiling is heavily enforced the ‘police’ who enforce it are other women.

    • Karin says:

      I’d caution not to be taken in by the mainstream media take on Peterson, which often takes cuts comments well out of context, twists his word and aligns him with the’ far right’ or alt-right, which from what I see, he is not aligned with.

    • The Iron Fist says:

      Hey Karin. Good to hear from you. “Hating” is a bit strong. I probably agree with a lot of what he says but he can be pretty wacky on many issues. His first interview with Sam Harris was enough for me to label him “not to be trusted – check anything he says”. I think he beat up (exaggerated) the pronoun issue and he manages to weave into his world view a very positive view of Christian faith.

      • Karin says:

        I haven’t seen his Sam Harris interview. Harris’s monotonous voice is a total soporific for me, so I struggle to commit to his interviews. Peterson’s take on Christianity is very metaphorical, seeing bible stories as moral archetypes. I can get behind those who reject literal interpretations of religious text. His view of Christianity is far more favourable than mine, but as a clinical psychologist his credo seems to be that belief in something (be it god or individual responsibility or science etc) is necessary for battling the existential angst that is a fundamental part of life. In that his worldview is quite similar to Buddhism (the first noble truth – life is suffering and understanding that helps). I disagree with some of his ideas – as is the case with almost any individual – but much of his commentary regarding society, Hunan nature and evbio is grounded in fact.

  3. Karin says:

    What bothered me was the suggestion to listeners that he’s someone they probably don’t want to devote much time to. For his bible series that might be true for secularists, but I’d suggest that the more you listen to his lectures on psychology and society the more you’ll agree with. He has been very unfairly castigated by the mainstream media if you ask me and is a classic case of smear tactics deployed rather than actually engaging with his argument. Usually when I see smear tactics, it’s because there are some hard truths there that no one wants to deal with. I

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