Episode 133 – The Good, the Bad and Dexter the Peacock

The only podcast to discuss the ACL, corporate tax, Oliver North, Socrates, Plato, Trump, Mohammed and Dexter the peacock and somehow inspire a Sydney barrister to write a brilliant opinion on “Religious Freedom”.

1:54 Dean Stretton’s submission

10:08 The ACL has 14 points and 12 deal with marriage.

15:20 Australian Christian Lobby managing director Lyle Shelton has stepped down to pursue a career in federal politics. and will be replaced by Martyn Iles

19:50 The Lyle and Cory show

21:10 Turnbull gives US tax cuts “full marks”

30:24 Oliver North

32:37 Nine reasons why he is wrong

35:50 One day, we may all owe a debt of gratitude to Dexter the peacock.

40:08 120 leading philosophers say ‘appalling’ Home Office humanism test ‘makes no sense’

41:25 Kenan Malik on Socrates, Plato and Aristotle

47:27 How did a nice country like America end up being governed by a big bunch of assholes?

51:03 The Republicans are now the Party of Trump


54:10 Vote for us at the Podcast Awards

57:00 The life of Mohamed


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6 comments on “Episode 133 – The Good, the Bad and Dexter the Peacock
  1. Noel Hamilton says:

    Thank you for going to the trouble of making this podcast, it helps me gain balance in my life as I detest the religious privilege given to nutters who believe in the sky fairy. I do not watch TV anymore due to the crap and dogma broadcast, so podcasts are my contact with the broader world, hence this podcast made me aware of the Ruddock review, rather than submit a generic well worded document form knowledgeable people such as yourselves, I penned my own words, though nowhere near the calibre of the submission discussed on ep133 I preferred the individual approach, hopefully the panel will see that individuals are fed up with religion enough to write their own submissions, I have convinced two others to write a submission as well.

    • The Iron Fist says:

      Good on you Noel

    • Brett Jones says:

      Good work Noel. If every one of the listeners submits something, it will show the panel that people really do care. Because so few people do speak up, politicians can be persuaded by low numbers if people actually make a bit of noise. It’s how minority groups get so much airtime.


  2. Selena says:

    Good one Noel! I’ve submitted one too even though I just piggybacked off Dean Strettons. Sounds like there will be a few from the secular crowd which is exciting.
    You’re not the only person who doesn’t watch TV. I’ve only recently put one back in my house after choosing not to have one for over 2 years. It’s just in the corner collecting dust 😂.
    The content on mainstream tv seems very biased and untrustworthy.

  3. Brett Jones says:

    Hi Fist

    Thanks again for leading a great podcast, though clearly there are some technical difficulties. NBN perhaps?

    Sorry, I am with the the 12th Man on one point. Indonesia is probably one of our biggest threats in the future. Large population, mostly Muslim and historically frosty relations with us. You don’t need to be really effective when you have lots of resources to throw at war, especially against a country with wide borders and low population.

    Me, I am for Australia trying to walk a tightrope keeping both China and America happy, always with an eye on keeping Australian interests going. Also taking a greater role in the UN (I know, the problems with the UN are large, however we need to keep talking and engaging with the world!).


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Episode 139 Comedy Classic

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