Episode 130 – Racism, The Urban Elite and MeToo

The 12th Man joins the podcast so 3 white men can discuss racism, #MeToo, immigration and cervixes.

1:35 The Greens want to change the date for Australia Day but they haven’t offered an alternative date. The Fist says it will all be fixed when we become a Republic but that will probably offend monarchists.

4:17 The Greens are in danger of further alienating the white working class and falling into the same trap that captured the American Democrats. Joan C Williams has written a book about clueless urban elites.

9:58 An open letter to Stan Grant which deftly explains the dangers of the division he promotes and the futility of focussing on past wounds.

15:52 Morgan Freeman says racism will only be fixed if we stop talking about it.

21:31 MLK day

21:48 A feminist is uncomfortable with the way the #metoo movement conducts trials like the Salem witch trials. The Fist proposes that the defamation laws need to be taken into account.

30:00 Submissions to the Ruddock panel.

35:11 New Zealand is investigating child abuse in institutions but will not be looking at faith-based institutions.

36:55 Donald Trump and racism. The Lady doth protest too much, me thinks.

42:01 Myanmar leads to an immigration discussion.

51:43 If you want to start a church and make lots of money, have we got the seminar for you.

57:23 Indian Submarines

59:24 A rich man in Brazil decides to bury his Bentley so he can use it in the afterlife.

1:01:30 Men can get their cervix checked.

1:05:58 We add some names to the IFVG index

1:08:40 Opray Winfrey is a pseudo science promoter who should not be let loose in the White House.

1:12:22 The Rock is planning to run for President because of his desire to help the people but can’t run because he has some movies to make so he will put off saving us until 2024.

1:14:33 The word of the year “Milkshake Duck”

The Links

The Greens want to change Australia Day. The Fist sees analogies with the Democrats. A perception they are socially liberal urban elites who love aborigines, immigrants and refugees while holding a disdain for the racist white working class.  Guardian article

An open letter to Stan Grant

MLK day – judged not by the colour of their skin.

Morgan Freeman – on racism

Is #metoo a  modern version of the Salem witch trials?

Defamation the answer?

Freedom for Faith has drafted a submission to Ruddock’s panel. It’s only 100 pages long.

The NSL has drafted a submission

NZ abuse inquiry won’t include faith-based organisations

Trump didn’t say arsehole and he is not racist

The Lady doth protest


Start a Church and make money

Trumps adviser has read the playbook

Submarines – It’s important to close the hatch

Rich Guy Buries Million Dollar Bentley To Prove Point

But Stan, you don’t have a womb

Paul Fletcher MP – seemed to reluctantly accept the plebiscite decision and had an unhealthy interest in research grants about theology and wanted a mandatory internet pornography filter

 Oprah Winfrey Helped Create Our American Fantasyland

The Rock for President?

Milkshake Duck

New patrons – Steve and Tony

Tony said – Greeting Fist, Glove and Man. I’m working my way through the back catalogue and enjoying it immensely. Your discussions contain the kind of intelligence and fluid thinking with a touch of irreverence that I have been looking for in a local content podcast. Keep up the good work.

Don’t be a psychopathic chicken. Consider donating.


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3 comments on “Episode 130 – Racism, The Urban Elite and MeToo
  1. Brett Jones says:

    Could not resist this oldie. Psycho Chicken by The Fools. Could be a theme song?

  2. The Iron Fist says:

    Brilliant Brett! I love it

  3. Brett Jones says:

    I’ve made my submission to the Freedoms review and I know it is not earth shattering reading. However if every secular Australian makes a submission defending our protection from legalised religious bigotry, they will have to pay attention. Hope many other people will jump on board with your drive.

    One interesting question to pose. I wonder what the breakdown will be of those who click the “confidential” button on their submission? I think more religious organisations than secular will click the confidential buttons, what do you all think? Will we ever be provided the statistics on that, or will that also be confidential?

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