Episode 122 – Yes, let’s talk about so called “Religious Freedom”

No surprises for guessing that we kick off with a discussion over the
result of the marriage equality survey. Interestingly, the No vote
was strongest in the western suburbs of Sydney that feature a large
immigrant population.

10:21 We talk about the draft bill presented by James Paterson and the
nature of the exemptions that he is seeking and we also look at the
attitude of the Sydney Anglican Church and the Catholic Church to these
exemptions. David Marr in an article says that those institutions will
not push for the James Paterson style amendments. We reveal a survey
which unfortunately shows that many Australians would seemingly agree
with the James Paterson amendments.

15:11 The 12th Man and The Iron Fist engage in another round of debate
regarding businesses and their entitlement to discriminate against
various people in various circumstances.

51:25 The Iron Fist is dismayed at attempts to connect aboriginal kinship with
changes to marriage equality laws.

1:08:55 The citizenship fiasco continues.

1:10:25 The Atheist convention has been cancelled.

1:15:08 The TPP is back

1:16:38 New Zealanders are looking at changing their prayer.

1:18:24 No more smokes being sold by The Vatican

1:19:30 A Church is a great place to die.

1:21:42 Celibacy laws to cease in Brazil?

1:23:07 Landon Hardbottom sent a link about the slippery slope and assisted dying.

1:27:52 The Adani mine

The Links

Same-sex marriage survey by the stats: a resounding ‘yes’ but Western Sydney leads ‘no’ vote

YES 7,817,247 votes; 61%

NO  4,873,987 votes; 38.4%

Whether it is 4 Corners on the Liberal Party and Karina Alcatel, James Paterson on special exemptions or our favourite Catholic, Kristina Kinnealy  – our listeners are ahead of the game.

Though wide-ranging “conscience” exemptions are the dream of ultra-conservatives and a handful of smaller churches, the big players in the marriage contest know the votes aren’t there in parliament and that, once the public took a closer look at the proposals support, for them would die away.  http://marker.to/9HJjWW

But … Almost half of Australians back right to refuse same-sex weddings – poll http://marker.to/A4ZTHu

John Anderson has a whinge – Same-sex marriage survey sees freedom for all lost in the post

The director of the Melbourne Archdiocese’s marriage office has raised concerns that legalising same-sex marriage will restrict freedom to talk and teach about a Catholic view of marriage, http://marker.to/w5pBUQ

Catholic pub event cancelled after complaints

With everything from mortgage lenders to trucking companies asserting they are being guided by “Christian principles,” isn’t it just a matter of time before a so-called Christian company refuses someone a mortgage or a move because of their “sinful lifestyle”?    http://marker.to/IhaN7r

James Paterson – wide ranging exemptions but only if directly related to a wedding service (because weddings are so special in James’s hierarchy of sacredness but wouldn’t praying to a false god be even worse? A Muslim might want to refuse supplying wafers to a Catholic church knowing they were going to be transubstantiated)

A summary of his draft Bill

If freedom of religion is not enough let’s add protection of Aboriginal traditional culture

Christian Indigenous Australians have warned the government they have been overlooked in the marriage debate http://marker.to/G8hPQA and Marriage Equality would interfere with Aboriginal Culture and Identity

Aboriginal Elders say a Change to Marriage Will Damage Ancient Kinship Structures http://marker.to/iaozIK

Q. A few months ago the “Uluru Statement” was released, calling for a number of policy measures relating to Indigenous Australians.
Do you support or oppose the following measures?

Jacqui Lambie has 3 citizenships. She was keen to embrace her Aboriginal ancestry but not so much her Scottish ancestry.

Jacqui Lambie has Scottish and maybe Aboriginal http://marker.to/UvwM9H ancestors

Drug company hands patents off to Native American tribe to avoid challenge http://marker.to/ciBMR3

There are now 15 bounty hunters  http://marker.to/vQYgv9

One Nation replacement Senator now Independent. “Fraser Anning was not flanked by One Nation Senators when he first entered the Senate to be sworn in this morning. He was instead accompanied by David Leyonhjelm and Cory Bernardi.”

Global Atheist Convention cancelled due to lack of interest http://marker.to/vcQTde

The Zeitgeist (/ˈzaɪtɡaɪst/) (spirit of the age or spirit of the time; literally, “time ghost”) is the dominant set of ideals and beliefs that motivate the actions of the members of a society in a particular period in time.

The TPP zombie is back

Politicians look at dropping God from Parliament’s opening prayer

Holy smoke! Vatican to stop selling cigarettes

Is the celibacy of Catholic priests coming to an end? http://marker.to/XXwGYw


Hi There

About Anastasia (“Palace Chook”) and her Adani veto.  From the
start I thought it was very clever (sneaky) and I have been waiting
for the papers to propose the same conclusions that I have drawn.  
•	That she said it was about a “conflict of interest” so she did
not have to say it was about bowing to public pressure.  The ABC has
already drawn this conclusion in an article released yesterday.
•	That she timed it so she could not actually carry out the
decision.  As parliament is dissolved, she needs the support of Tim
Nicholls for this decision to carry though.  I think this is cunning,
as she placates her voters in Brisbane AND she gets to shift the blame
to the coalition.  If they support it ( a loan veto), THEIR voters get
 angry at them.
 If they don’t, she can say to her voters “Well, I tried!”. 
Call me cynical, but hey, it is a win-win for her.
As in this Sydney Herald article, Anastasia has built her campaign
around a quiet, no-nonsense head down bum up get the job done
attitude.  Now, she looks sneaky.

Load rifle (check), aim at foot (check), FIRE!  Not that I support the
mine.  I hate it!  But she should have done this before dissolving

Brett (my two cents)

From Landon Hardbottom Fact check: Has assisted dying been a legal slippery slope overseas? http://marker.to/3r3dwq

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