Episode 101 – 20 June 2017

1:08 We look at a hard-line Christian hoping to replace Gillian Triggs as head of the Australian Human Rights Commission. Augusto Zimmerman is backed by Margaret Court and does not believe in evolution. What could possibly go wrong?

7:08 We explain why three government ministers are facing contempt of court charges.

14:26 In Canada, students at Catholic schools can refuse to attend religious classes thanks to the Canadian Charter of Rights. But that doesn’t mean Australia should have one.

19:06 We have exported our fair share of religious nutters to the United States and we can add Andrew Snelling to the list.

22:09 Shark attack victim Tiffany Johnson thanks Jesus for saving her.

25:23 The Fist argues why we should allow terrorist groups like Hezbollah to fly their flag and March in our cities.

34:44 Sunni-Shia divide gets a better explanation.

40:35 Jimmy has given us a voicemail.

43:17 A politician admits that he cannot follow Jesus and be a progressive politician at the same time.

48:24 Christina Kineally once again has a go at Catholics and introduces the term “Catholic extremist”.

54:24 Norway plans to ban the Muslim veil

1:01:52 Kenan Malik examines cultural appropriation.

1:10:18 We look at an alternative to democracy

1:19:38 We finish with more crazy Americans (chocolate milk comes from brown cows)

1:20:25 An unusual marriage in Columbia (3 gay men)

Hardline Christian hoping to replace Triggs

Explainer: why three government ministers might face contempt of court charges

Our politicians show an alarming ignorance of the separation of powers

Contempt case could bring down Turnbull govt

In Canada, students can opt out of religious classes at Catholic schools after a complaint settled

More info here

Australian Christian geologist sues Grand Canyon for religious discrimination

Shark victim Tiffany Johnson pulled ‘mangled stump’ from jaws

Flying terrorist flags in the capital is an insult to victims of the London attacks

Confederate Symbols and the Black Flag of ISIS: Two Sides of the Same Coin

‘I can’t follow Jesus and be a politician’

Tim Farron is so wrong – Christianity and progressive politics do go together
Peter Ormerod

Let’s call child sexual abuse in the church what it is: Catholic extremism

Norway plans to ban Muslim face veils in schools

Calif. college students: Objective truth a ‘white supremacist’ idea

Kenan Malik on cultural appropriation

Should you get a vote if you don’t understand politics? Academics offer democracy rethink

How the Vatican influences population growth policy

The surprising number of American adults who think chocolate milk comes from brown cows

Three-man “polyamorous family” legally recognised in Colombia


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Only just found this podcast. LOVE IT

Really great to see some honest conversation, that doesn’t seem concerned with making the truth more palatable for the fair of heart. I think we really need a lot more of this.


Great listen

Fantastic podcast and gets better every episode. BUT if you can’t handle the truth about the dismal state of Australian politics give this one a miss.

The Happy Dog

Look forward to this podcast every week

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Ep 81, one of the best and most enjoyable

Wel done Trevor and Hugh, one of the best Eps to date. Professional delivery by both.


Episode 68 right on the mark

This episode was just the right length, but more importantly, was a little more measured in addressing the topics. I admire the Iron Fist in the way he can craft rational statements about appalling behaviour in the topics discussed, and I found the 12th Man to be a good balance to the Iron Fist. I wish the Velvet Glove wouldn’t giggle at important topics or when religious thinking is described – we already find them ridiculous, but laughing every time is a bit much after hours of listening to episodes. This is a fun but semi-serious podcast that everyone should listen to, and I thank them for making the time to produce it.


Keep it going…

A refreshing podcast. Rational discussion on topics many won’t tackle honestly. I don’t agree with everything you say but I love the way your subject matter is explored and sometimes debated. Great work guys.


Making baby Jesus cry

Don’t listen to these baby eating heathens, God will kill an angel for every episode that you listen to.


Presenting the Inconvenient Truth

These guys are at the forefront of challenging religious privilege. If you want to be up-to-date on all the wacky goings-on by the religion pushers in this world and their attempts successful or otherwise to influence the political and social spheres of our lives then this is your podcast. We need more of this advocacy for a secular world view. Be like me or Bill and don’t miss an episode.


Christmas Special

All podcasts are great but the christmas special takes the cake. Excellent show guys.


Australian Centred Debate

This podcast is great for those looking for debates about secularism, religious power structures and Western liberal democratic ideals, all with a focus on the Great Southern Land. The two main protagonists bounce ideas off each other and occasionally guests are brought in to give different perspectives (I love to hate Right Wing Tony!). These are not Left Wing Nutters, I know as I tend to that description too often myself and disagree with them at times. Rationality and free thought rule! The boys don’t mind if you throw in your two cents, in fact, I think they love to hear from the public. Very worth a listen.


Great Job

I look forward to this show each week. So informative! Thank you.


Stumbled upon

I stumbled on this podcast and enjoyed a number of podcasts. I love the deconstruction of the arguments and the range of topics. The input of the 12th man, right wing Tony and in particular Hugh Harris and Objective morals and Moral relativism. I am a atheist/secularist and would love to see you guys on Q&A keep up the great work. Secularism is a fight worth fighting for.


Not getting any worse

I’ve been listening for a year now and you haven’t gotten any worse. It’s nice to hear a good Australian perspective with varying views. Keep it up.


Always well worth the time

The Fist and crew do a great job of debating and dissecting a range of secular topics. Great work, and always an amusing listen.


Well balanced podcast

I’ve been listening since the first episode and it has proven time and again to be my favourite podcast. The guys have a balanced view of the world and politics. Well worth a listen.


Back catalogue

Greeting Fist, Glove and Man. I’m working my way through the back catalogue and enjoying it immensely. Your discussions contain the kind of intelligence and fluid thinking with a touch of irreverence that I have been looking for in a local content podcast. Keep up the good work.

Tony W

Love your work

Love your work, your podcasts are excellent and your political commentary and general banter really improve my day! Thank you!


Sensible Secularists

A provocative and informative discussion of current affairs at the intersection of religion and politics. The perfect antidote to religious privilege and snowflake culture. Best listened to at 1.5x speed.


Episode 139 Comedy Classic

G’day Iron and Velv. When I found you blokes, I had finally found some Australian voices of reason and common sense. After listening to a chunk of the back catalogue and keeping up to date with the podcasts, I became a patron, you fellas should be on the Senate. Anyway, episode 139 was a little strange at first, until the nutter came out. And then, oh mate, it became comedy. Where did you dig up that crazy nutter? Thanks Fist and Glove. Watley


Hi guys, many thanks for

Hi guys, many thanks for your podcast which I have just discovered. I am looking forward to exploring the back catalogue. It’s great to hear Australian voices doing such a podcast. One thing though – it’s a bit blokey. Ever thought of having some women on?

Ms McIntosh


Possibly my favourite Aussie podcast. Nice one to do the gardening to!


Great Aussie Secularists..

Finally found some Aussie voices speaking about our issues with Australian accents and with Aussie guests from a secular point of view. Great work guys!



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Andy Dowling

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